MTG Magic ▷ Emotional 😭RANT!😭 【WOTC's】💰GREED💰 has 🌋RUINED🌋 MODERN!

[@MagicAids]

*Ban* *Incarnations?* *(Fury,* *Solitude,* *Grief,* *Endurance,* *Sublety)*

[@jojosouma809]

I think banning all 5 Incarnations would be a wonderful start, free spells are fine when they can only be used reactively but proactively casting free spells and ending up with a creature for the purposes of blinking/reanimating/attacking/blocking makes Modern feel like Legacy but without the rest of the cards that keep these strategies in check.

[@dvdvilla91]

Fury and ephemerate to start with at least

[@uncursed6583]

The blue one is fine, so all of them without the blue one

[@gustavocolon8288]

How about changing the incarnation effect to: exile a card from your hand to reduce the colorless cost of playing this card to 0, scrifice it whatever. That way you still have to pay color mana to cast it earlier. It is still taxing your hand.

[@CptManboobs]

I dunno why the fuck anyone thought an ETB thoughtsieze on a free creature was a good odea

[@ryanpoulos8232]

“Yeah we definitely tested it.” Is probably the most hilarious and sad thing I can hear from one of these guys. Your story both made me laugh and cry at the same time

[@Nicola-ov5cz]

they brough in those great players for testing but they basically made no use of them. I've read in multiple occasions of feedback completely ignored, cards tested in a vacuum without the many other things in the set, and cards that literally none of the pro playtesters ever saw. Sets like this must be tested thoroughly from good players and not by just giving them a bunch of cards in a vacuum. i do not blame Sam Black or Brad Nelson, i blame wizard for poor management and greed

[@NecromancyForKids]

They tested to make sure it was powerful enough to take up a majority of cards in the meta

[@Nicola-ov5cz]

@@NecromancyForKids that is correct. The problem is that wotc didnt take any advice on how to adjust the cards to be very desirable but still healthy for the format. The exact same cards would see alot of play even with slightly adjusted stats.

[@grrrama]

The true headline of their playtesting MH2 was that they discovered the then unreleased companions and sounded the alarms over that, but they had already gone to print. Sam Black was astounded that they had been playtested and signed off. Companions came to dominate their MH2 testing, since they correctly foresaw that those cards would completely warp any meta they touched.

[@marcobiraghi]

Modern Horizons set shouldn’t have the goal of setting new threats. They should focus solely on supporting weak archetypes and injecting efficient answers for hardly-checked cards/strategies. Having new dorks is fine, having persist is ok, just utility tools and silver bullets.

[@linkXness]

MH1 was centered about cards that make certain archetypes stronger or creating new decks - which is totally fine. MH2 was centered about cards that go in every deck in that color and outclass most other options - which is trash.

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

@@linkXness YES, THIS

[@9forMortalMen]

That’s kinda what most of the incarnations are though?

[@marcobiraghi]

@@9forMortalMen the problem with them is that they're creatures. I wouldn't have minded if they were instants like forces. When deckbuilding you generally make a difference between spells and beaters, and them being both functionally makes them a no-brainer, hence they're among the most played creatures.

[@9forMortalMen]

@@marcobiraghi Good point, I just wanted to point out that cards like Endurance/Solitude aren't much of a threat, they tend to be sorta catch all answers more than anything. They can function as semi-usable threats, but I feel like when you say threats you really mean cards like Murky, Monke, and co.

[@joelhatterini6392]

out of all the MH2 cards they added, the invoke elementals seem the most toxic because it added free spells en masse to modern. That wasn't much of a thing before. It was rare to see someone pact you, it's inevitable that you get hit by Solitude though.

[@riotron1026]

People do realize they have to give up a card to evoke right? Also in regards to the blinking strat, people do realize that they can target the evoke creature in response to ephemerate, right?

[@alainkaizer7769]

The idea behind those is to slow the format down which is ok on paper except MH has Ephemerate, that, Ragavan, Saga and Shardless creates so much value it's insane.

[@joelhatterini6392]

@@riotron1026 Free as in not needing to spend mana. It moves the format in a direction where mana being tapped or untapped doesn't actually signal anything, which it almost always used to in Standard through Modern. Now, someone can be tapped out and have answers in hand still and you as an opponent couldn't possibly know how to play around that.

[@jormungardwe]

endurance and subtlety are the most fair since their effects are built to not be used as proactivelly one being restricted to timing/tempo and the card type and the other not netting any possible card advantage by it's alternative cost, being mainly a response to degenerated strategies (graveyard) or an ambusher.

[@drewt4506]

@@riotron1026 People do realize that pitching a card to solitude was to create a situation where the elemental player gets 2for1'd when in a pinch to keep them in the fight. But they are getting 4 for one value in THEIR favor when they evoke -> ephemerate -> block? Also you realize that having an instant answer to their answer/threat means you break even maybe if you have the answer and lose when you don't. So the elemental value deck is constantly up on value when directly countered as you have described.

[@MagicAids]

*Ban* *Ragavan?*

[@Zolthux]

Idk. I think the reason Ragavan got banned in legacy was cause it waa backed up by Forces and Daze. In modern, DRC looks better

[@Vesdus]

Ban Ragavan so I can afford to play it in other formats.

[@Darkflamecrusader]

Clearly Ragavan is racist and needs to be wiped from mtg all together.

[@Genxim]

@@Zolthux DRC is being phased out in favor of ledger shredder, Ragavan isn't.

[@billable1861]

Can you pin more than one comment? These aren’t next to one another I think ragavan should be banned more than evoke.

[@TheMagicHistorian]

MTG is in full on wonked out mode, I've never seen things looking this crazy before. It's happening all across the game in so many ways.

[@feritperliare2890]

Yeah tried making a commander deck like 4 times each time I get back to about 30 nonlands being the same as all decks cause they are too good and i just don't feel like there's anything new to see in cmd

[@WarpstonePainting]

@@feritperliare2890 When Commander decks are nearly unplayable without the new staples printed since 2019, then there is something deeply and terribly wrong with new Magic design and Wizard's decisions.

[@chrisb8041]

The hero we needed, not the one we deserve. Thanks daddy

[@shatzinorris1417]

Jim Davis has called for Fury to be banned in particular for the longuest time. You can't play manadorks in modern, any elves/creature based deck that aren't 10/16 tarmodomain draws 2 cards gain 10 lifes

[@vincentvallee9432]

all cards from mh2 are annoying but man fury to me is the worst card without a doubt

[@Papaconstantopoulos]

Finger up. Delete Fury

[@JT-91]

Fury does not need a ban. It needs a rework. It should require a red source pitched for each target beyond its first (multikicker ish)

[@cousinpatsey2471]

@@JT-91 so Fury needs banned, and a different card needs designed to replace it?

[@csclinebaseball11]

Even if you play the big 10/16 tarmodomain that draws you 2 cards and gains you 2 life they will solitude it or dress down so you don’t get any of those abilities and later solitude it

[@Huggbees]

There's a reason I haven't seriously played this game since Battle for Zendikar ushered in the beginning of the end with Expeditions. I only play commander now and even that's becoming saturated with a meta and new card power creep. I genuinely hate this game by this point and yet it feels like the only viable card game left.

[@GabrielSilva-mv4fm]

It seems to me that wizards is milking commander like they milked modern I don't see commander healthy a few years from now I only play magic til this day because my edh playgroup is very restrictive regarding degenerate recent stuff like thoracle, jeskas will, dockside, etc Also we don't spend hundreds of our 3rd world weak coins in stuff like incarnations and booster of collections that have bulk rares vs $100 dollar mythics

[@MagicAids]

Things should get better once WOTC puts down the crack pipe!

[@Blackvolttage]

How its actually make MtG when?

[@tvpattack2082]

This is why I play custom magic formats, as well as work on my own custom magic cards; You can very much control the overall strength and mechanics present at any point. Hell, we even have a discord for it.

[@Jordansayegh10]

Honestly, besides Commander, I've only play pauper since I feel like I am playing a game of 1 v1 magic.

[@InferiorPhilly]

As a hardened scales player it's really hard to say "ban all of mh2" but seeing almost all the cards break the format makes me wanna say that. Zabaz isn't offensive at all and a great scales piece. I even think unholy heat and DRC can be ok. But urzas saga, ragavan, the incarnations, murktide, they all gotta go. Maybe we just start a community driven format of modern?

[@MagicAids]

I do really miss hardened scales!

[@shingimmel69]

We should go back to the definition of "been through standard" modern. Ban all the horizions.

[@InferiorPhilly]

@@shingimmel69 I think since pioneer is trying(and already kinda failing) to pick up that slack, they're leaving modern to be a "legacy lite", which is cool bc the power level is what makes it fun, but free spells are pushing modern too close to legacy imo

[@alcxander]

look, unholy heat and DRC are NOT ok. they just pale in comparison to the other cards but they are in fact not ok cards to have. i would be pro doing a separate format of modern forget what wotc preach/release and do our own thing

[@robinett74]

reset the banlist. Unban everything. What used to be "op" stopped being op when MH became a thing. Then they can see what needs to be banned after that.

[@dreadlockgaming2415]

Even Eye of Ugin?

[@qb1482]

That seems like an amazing idea that would allow old broken decks to contend with the mh2 decks.

[@alainlimacher2781]

@@dreadlockgaming2415 imagine oko

[@wqweqwet1804]

@@alainlimacher2781 best deck in the format baby!!!!!!!!

[@shadowolf6995]

that ideia sounds great, fresh New start and a bigger picture too see what is going on

[@7upac]

This is so well made it’s like I’m watching Mr. Plinkett. Bravo sir

[@elbe0072]

Incarnations should definitely be banned. And not even talking about the prices

[@elbe0072]

@DarkRunner3 i had the same idea to make them work like force of Will. So the effect just works without entering the battlefield. And only upon casting or reanimation it triggers

[@altron6476]

Fun story… A couple of years ago, I decided that I didn’t wanna be a casual player anymore. I loved modern, I loved graveyard decks, I loved zombies, and combo decks. I decided to turn my favorite deck into paper. $2000 later, I had a sick Vengevine deck, with all sorts of crazy tech! Then, wizards released Hogaak, The Arisen Necropolis a few weeks later. “Oh boy”, I thought, “this card is like the best topper ever for this deck”! Decided to shell out more money and buy a play set. Then, the cancer moment happened. The niche GY combo deck..became the most broken deck in modern. EVERYONE was playing that deck! Since wizards had just released Hogaak…they went crazy banning like 3 other cards from the deck instead. These cards were basically the combo engine itself. They literally gutted the deck I spent over $2000 on to play magic at my LGS. Banning the engine still didn’t work (probably because Torturous Timmy designing Hogaak and thinking it was an acceptable card was a mistake). They then banned Hogaak…because even banning the entire graveyard combo deck couldn’t keep their “money card” from having to be banned as well. I never touched paper magic again. A few months later, I sold my collection. Made about $900. Lost about $1100 because…Hogaak. I’ll never forget that dickhead monsters name. I’ve never touched paper again…I mean sure I can go play that garbage in legacy…but $5000+ to play my favorite deck in an even more busted format just isn’t worth it. Modern is dead because it’s too costly of a format when they ban things from it possibly more regularly than standard itself. You can’t invest in a deck that isn’t a “fair deck” otherwise the game police will come and take your money away.

[@Shigazane]

Fury is definitely a problem card. This one card basically took tribal decks out of the equation. Ephemerate is a problematic card as well with its evoke synergy. Shardless agent added more power/consistency to already powerful decks/cards. Personally a format is at a healthy spot when decks like humans and goblins have metagame share. This leads to control, aggro, combo, and midrange decks to all have a pretty balanced winrate

[@Bennici]

Regarding Shardless Agent: I think one of the points that is rarely discussed is how it enabled the deck to be RUG instead of Jund colors (that Living had to play back in the day) in order to play 8 3-mana Cascade enablers. The fact that it replaced another sorcery speed spell and kept the instant speed one is just icing on that cake.

[@TheRoninthebox]

When humans was the best deck in the format, modern was at its peak of a format.

[@ze1353]

@@Bennici Yes, especially considering many more good cycle creatures are in blue now.

[@SpiceWeazel]

@@TheRoninthebox Yes, I 100% agree! Humans is a fair deck with both aggro and tempo components. The fact that it was at #1 was an indicator that all playstyles were active and viable.

[@Kayametra]

Shardless Agent is fine honestly for Living End and Rhinos. It’s Violent Outburst that would need the axe. Being able to Living End or create Rhinos at instant speed is way too much Not to mention it makes Force of Negation free by doing it on opponents end step. That’s not the way Force was designed to be used

[@cg5380]

I bought eldrazi and taxes before covid hit. Then watched it get completely forced out of even being usable multiple times. Went back to locals and I would disrupt my way to almost winning and the lose when a single MH card was resolved. Wasn't very fun

[@Papaconstantopoulos]

I really appreciate the first chapter of this video. Unbans are interestingly safer than ever, they literally printed a top 5 list of reasons why X card banned card is safe in modern now. Subtlety, Grief, Endurance, Fury, and coming in at the number one spot, Solitude! Honorable mentions Force of Negation and Vigor.

[@TrulySilentLie]

This video was released a year ago. It popped up in my feed to watch, and it took me too long to realize this video is a year old. Wizards not doing anything to solve this problem two years in a row? Modern definitely isn't a happy place

[@Flashpoint3373]

The whole reason modern was fun in the first place was that it was a format you could play your favorite cards and archetypes from the past with a few additions from each standard set that were tested for standard and happened to work well in modern. Printing cards directly for modern completely ruined the format and I'm probably never going to play it again even though I used to love playing lots of modern tournaments

[@alexanderthegreat3424]

This!

[@forsakenquery]

This!!!!!

[@forsakenquery]

My favourite format(weekly tournaments, a stable of meta decks and constant brewing), now I will only interact with it by watching daddy play. All because of direct, standard bypassing prints.

[@The2ndKeepsUsFree]

My feelings exactly.

[@RandomCommenter955]

I think at this point with modern horions influxes, the best solution for those wishing to get back to old modern because of nostalgia or because of lack of endless financial resources to spend on hundreds of playsets of cardboard that costs 20 cents to make would be to have a modern no horizons format. That way standard sets still affect it but it's a LOT more affordable. Alternatively there can be many many new archytypes between modern horizons synergies and the interesting standard cards being released (like shape anew getting phyrexian portal) and so the best way, and really the only way, to play this format is to proxy. Like one could even make nice proxies but even for those with the financial resources to spend on cardboard costing like 200x what it costs to produce, proxying still makes more sense. And when all game pieces are freely available it's a lot easier for brews to pop up and for actual diversity in decks and archytypes to be played. Also facing evoke elementals, urza's sagas, ragavans, and archon of crueltys hurts a lot less when one has access to those cards or access to all the expensive answers to them. I think those are the best solutions at this point. Ofc, the places where modern horizons sets and especially standard sets like kamigawa neon dynasty and brothers war and dominaria united shine is in producing new unique effects that arent busted but that complement existing archytypes in need of more tools or a small buff or help increase synergy or even help spawn new archytypes. However, given the direction wizards is going I would just expect mh3 to have even more busted evoke creatures except literal force of wills or like force of will that's a creature, with evoke flashback or something.

[@jeremysmith4620]

sWotC may come to the realization that the mandate to double profits has come at the cost of ruining all its formats. The issue is, once they realize what people have been telling them for years, if they are able to stop the existing formats from completely crumbling. No real Pro scene. Abolishing meaningful events that bring players together. Slamming product releases so close together that things like prereleases have lost all their appeal and draw. They invalidated 20+ years of playing and collecting when releasing Modern Masters 2 which replaced every deck played in Modern with decks based on the new cards intended to do just that. They lack a digital system of playing that meaningfully interacts with the physical game and existing collections. The list of issues goes on, but all this has damaged the formats, the competitive landscape, and the overall brand itself. For what? Doubling profits in the near term that may destroy the integrity of the game and devastate the player base going forward. Hasbro sees this as a glorious success because their investors win in the short term, all that matters to them. If the asset of WotC stops performing within what Hasbro finds acceptable they will have no issue blowing it to pieces to sell off the scraps.

[@sebastiana2035]

Yup, I don't even play magic any more. It's simply not fun. You build a clever combo deck and get slowly destroyed by value upon value. Or, by a cheap and specific combo deck. Or by simply more powerful cards. (I'm talking about mtga historic after it got flooded with historic anthologies, which basically just brought in modern cards)

[@pitabread79]

In the grand scheme of things, ruining a card game is pretty minor, but it's still worthwhile to notice how capitalism makes our lives shittier, in both big *and* small ways.

[@sebastiana2035]

@@pitabread79 yup, it's merely another entry in the growing list of "shit whose purpose and enjoyment that was ruined for short term gains"

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

what card game has a "digital system of playing that meaningfully interacts with the physical game and existing collections"? what should they do, let you scan your cardboard?

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

@@pitabread79 oh god spare me. you're the one playing a game that would not exist if it was not manufactured by a self-interested, profit-motivated corporation. just like all the other good collectible games, role-playing games, and video games that have ever been made

[@cursedbernard5598]

I sold my collection a while ago. Proxied a vintage cube and haven't looked back. Most fun format by far, and a handful of proxies a year keeps it updated.

[@09Dragonite]

As a card shop employee- card shops in fact do *not* allow legacy proxies for sanctioned* events. They're allowed for weekly play events sometimes, but only if there isn't a judge enforcing the sanctioning rule for weekly play events. Also, your W/L record can't be kept track of if you aren't competing in a "sanctioned" event. I got to learn about all of this stupid shit when I wanted to host cEDH events for prizes at our shop. Turns out, a LOT of people cant actually afford to play this stupid fucking game.

[@Stroggoii]

Rent private store space and have the players run the tournament on their own through third party apps. You're getting fucked by WotC giving preferential treatment to MJ Holdings and Amazon over the LGS, and a lot of players are willing to see nothing say nothing in breaking their archaic bullshit rules for how you gotta run your own store.

[@LarryActionGlass]

You do not speak for all card shops and it's weird that I have to tell you that?

[@BearPondersGames]

As a card shop employee, this guy does not speak for all card shops. Lol. But it's cute that he thinks he does.

[@MistaHoward]

Buy fakes. They're virtually indistinguishable and sold at a reasonable price. Best case scenario, you get to play a Magic format you don't hate. Worst case scenario, you get banned from playing the format you already can't afford to play. It's a net positive scenario.

[@nathreetimesnineequalstwen7172]

@@MistaHoward I never thought of it like that 😂 that's awesome!

[@shatterspree4123]

This video is a masterpiece. Well done and well said

[@aktirimagic4405]

My best friend and I loved modern. Before he passed away, we opened MH2 packs and reminiscenced about the times when we played. This isn't the format my friend and I studied, played, and loved. Parker, I love you man. I'm sorry our format died.

[@vitorzelao]

i used to play jund when the core of the deck was 4 liliana of the veil, 4 dark confidant and 4 goyfs. those were some good times, i miss midrange decks.

[@arsenalfanrichi]

Sorry to hear about your friend, I'm glad you have nice memories like that though

[@seannissen2509]

this is one of the most spot on descriptions of how Wizards have handled the actual game part of the business for like a decade now

[@drewt4506]

Ragavan (Turn 1 -> Aggro + Ramp + Color Fixing + Card Advantage + Evade Sorcery Removal) Expresive Iteration 5 Elementals Companion Mechanic Living End // Crashing Footfalls (Cascade is fine, these two payoffs are too huge of a blowout) Force of negation (Free is more a legacy thing and it was designed to stop combo, used only to protect combo) Wren&6 // 3feri (Counter entire strategies too fast With value on top. Remember Oko?) Prismatic Ending (White has better removal than black.) 4+ Color is too consistent. [Give mono red a one sided Price of Progress style card to help police the format] [Mask Of Intolerance] The problem is they printed multiple problems at the same time that were essentially double S Tier. So either everything new comes in at SS to match or we ban all the SS tier and stay at S. Wizards Strategy of print a problem and see if it fixes itself, then print a problem and see if it fixes itself [x15] and then go which 1 card do we remove that is adjacent to the the problem card?

[@thegax679]

i think the same

[@neverife-iu8wg]

Can be said louder but not clearer

[@thegax679]

honestly i think living end is that oppressive mainly because grief and force, without them it would be a kinda fair deck

[@drewt4506]

@@thegax679 For me the issue is about graveyard strategies and the future cards. I think it is healthy to have decent cards like scavenging ooze that can interact with fair recursion like flashback or gravecrawler. Needing to run bojuka bogs / rest in piece style effects for delve / dredge and living end warps the meta too strongly where you must have a sideboard slot to eradicate a graveyard or lose. I feel like sideboard cards are supposed to give you an edge and not be do or die. New creatures, especially enters the battlefield, printed in the future could push towards unfair. Not as strong a point, but something to consider, especially since the solution to this point is good design and banlist management. Which I don't have much faith in wotc atm. It could be okay, but I think this is safer / healthier.

[@butterflyvision3084]

Agree apart from living end, it goes back to its former power level if we ban FoN and grief

[@daveclarke1990]

My theory was always that Modern Horizons was suppose to make Modern into Legacy so that Pioneer could take Moderns place. If my theory is correct then I guess they achieved at least half of their goal.

[@ronnyh.f.9383]

yes

[@bobby45825]

And then they banned rag in legacy lol

[@Adrianovaz2007]

Pioneer price spikes + them using it as the main format in a lot of events basically achieved the second goal.

[@daveclarke1990]

@@Adrianovaz2007 they've announced plans to (slowly) bring pioneer to arena. Also in the surveys they run they've stopped asking people if/how long they've used MTGO. There's clearly a shelf life on wotcs support for MTGO, so it makes sense for them to want people to move to pioneer. I'm not sure if I'd have used something like modern horizons to actively ruin modern tho.

[@RockBottomBrenny]

RIP magic duels

[@kiriyamathelama1809]

Good video. They just want modern to be a rotating format. To sell more cards.

[@cuttlefish6839]

Every single format is a rotating format there is no end state. You are saying words that don't mean shit. As long as standard keeps pumping products we will forever be in a rotating format and dont act like modern isn't affected by these releases

[@arose112]

@@cuttlefish6839 Do you realize that rotation means sets rotating in and out. Modern and other eternal formats just have sets being added which is NOT rotating but just growing. What you said makes no sense and it just confuses and makes everyone who read it dumber.

[@gigavise5576]

@@arose112 You clearly don't understand how Modern "rotates". After the release of each Modern Horizons the Modern meta "rotated", just check the decks and cards mostly played after the release of those sets. Each time a Modern Horizons set was released they arrived with cards that were a MUST have to win. BTW recent Standard sets are arriving with one or two of these type of overpowered cards.

[@cuttlefish6839]

@@arose112 want to get on my case about it then get on everyone's case who says mh1&2 is rotating modern. Like the person who started this thread all but saying mh is rotating modern. Also lol the games rotations are based on what is good not what is available.

[@arose112]

@@cuttlefish6839 you’re wrong but keep trying…

[@daniellee7139]

To me it’s a simple fix. Just remove both modern horizons sets from modern. Either errata them so they are commander/legacy sets or create a new format that is sets 8th edition on that were/are standard legal. That’s the way modern was created and how it should’ve stayed. Because imho modern horizons 1 started killing modern and modern horizons 2 finished it off. I don’t play anymore because of those sets and I miss how modern was. I think you would have to ban too many individual cards from MH 1 and 2 to fix the format, so just get rid of them. Honestly should’ve never been printed. Also unban twin.

[@placeholdername-1]

This.

[@Yanzkieteevee]

Unrealistic and way above the curve, banned the specific problem cards not a whole set

[@daniellee7139]

I disagree, and not just ban one whole set, TWO whole sets. Easier to remember what’s legal instead of banning 50-100 individual cards. Or make new format that is modern without the horizons sets. I would try unbanning pod in addition to twin. Maybe another card or two. Been a little while since I looked at the ban list. That’s my opinion and what I think it would take to fix modern. Modern is broken, pioneer is boring, and free spells belong in legacy. I understand it’s unrealistic because wotc only cares about money, but in magical christmas land we get rid of mh1 and mh2 and modern is fun again. At this rate Modern horizons 3 will make modern a 3 set format where all other cards are unplayable. Basically modern horizons block constructed. Get ready for lightning bolt to become unplayable. Haha

[@Euclides287]

@@daniellee7139 I agree with you 100% that free spells belong in *Legacy.* Once my opponent is tapped out, I shouldn't have to worry about him casting anything to counter my spells - Force of Negation - or destroy any of my permanents - Force of Vigor. MH1 was a huge mistake imo. MH2 was the nail in the coffin.

[@Canadian_Ry]

I've never heard Daddy so disheartened. Hopefully he'll be back to clapping cheeks and good times soon.

[@bosseidon666]

Ragavan, Omnath, Urza's saga, Ephemerate, Solitude, Fury, Abundant Growth are all prime targets to get hit and make the format way more enjoyable

[@basoon87]

Woah, are you Mr. Plinkett's disappointing son he keeps mentioning? Your delivery matched his so closely I started wondering if it was a deliberate homage. Good video.

[@MegaGenguy]

My theory with wotc is that Modern Horizons was created for them to be able to shift the focus of standard sets away from the expectation of some being modern playable to commander playable. I've definitely noticed a huge influx of new legendaries and cards that really only make sense in commander in recent standard sets whereas Ledger Shredder is the only standard card I've seen that can hang in modern. I think they even gave the example of how reprinting thoughtseize into Theros ruined that standard format and equated designing cards strong enough for modern means a bad standard.

[@zzlord4309]

Had quit mtg since this problem started smelling, and i appriciate that there are voices in the community that think deck interactions have been lost

[@shadowmarez7457]

Man, Sounds like Magic needs a Serious BanList Update... You know why they aren't banning those cards. So they can continue to sell them and MILK THEM. Print Broken Cards, Make it Shiny and Expensive, MILK it for as long as Possible. That's the formula

[@almisami]

Ironically the reason why Modern isn't Legacy is because, in theory, they could reprint all modern cards to keep them affordable. That... Didn't happen.

[@davidketron4932]

@@almisami I agree but out of the cards naming ragavan and the incarnations were dumb decisions. Those cards should be banned.

[@MrDrakDevel]

Can we just make a "standard" modern format, where only cards that came from standard after 8th edition can be played?

[@watsup6084]

That is what modern is supposed to be - all cards went through a standard rotation. If you were only motivated by greed, what would you do? Just leave the format alone and let people play with their old standard cards, buying what they need to move to modern from the secondary market OR print the most busted cards that are required to keep up forcing the modern playerbase to buy products from you. They are a corporation and they will make decisions to maximize their profits - there are no altruistic motives like design the most fun, diverse and balanced card game. They can get away with it because they have the most loyal customers.

[@Starsoulklr]

I remembered seeing the four color Omnath thinking it was a face card for a new commander deck. Then I found out it was for a standard release. Just... What? Sure yeah there should be some new powerful cards but they've been cranking out some doozies.

[@bobby45825]

Their "F.I.R.E." game design philosophy can sell packs and push singles in commander but it's devastating on the constructed formats because there's no back-and-forth anymore. It's just massive blow outs, like Mr.Aids pointed out.

[@sylta09]

We as a community needs to fix modern, by banning modern horizons from it. Modern: "A format where everything printed into standard since 8th edition is legal (minus banned cards)"

[@raygarcia2540]

This seems the only feasible Option, talk with your local LGS or just organize alternative tournaments with a modified ban list, players are who make this game, not lazy and demented seniors blinded by money

[@moomochi6290]

Absolutely this.

[@joris6905]

It is definitly the best option. Though honestly I think the 'crap' rares, uncommons and commons of the MH sets are some of the most fun and well designed cards in modern.

[@Mallwan]

Im totally into this

[@jormungardwe]

the point that makes you think shit hit the fan was "Modern Horizons" collections were meant to be collections to place cards to powerful to be printed in standard directly into modern, and it came in 2 months before Eldraine (aka: the most overpowered set since mirrodin) and even after that they kept printing cards powerful enough to contest the non-rotating formats in standard, so naturally MH2 was ensured to do heavy damage everywhere.

[@19chevelle72]

We just need to reprint Apocalypse Chime but for all Modern Masters sets. We'll call it Apocalypse Pan Flute.

[@mpetry8470]

Exile all MH2 cards in play , libraries, and hands

[@VolvoxSocks]

Make it uncounterable and give it a companion while we're at it.

[@thecollectiblecollectabill2298]

did anyone else notice the description of shardless agent?! @9:43 it sounds like they had a suspend version of tinker that was too powerful to get thru playtesting!!

[@Zolthux]

Reminder that Saga (in its current iteration) was NOT playtestested

[@MaeseEidos]

Not surprised. I didn't buy them because I was sure they would be banned. And even today I have my doubts. I don't even know for sure if they need to be banned, I just have the feeling is bound to happen.

[@csclinebaseball11]

I remember when mh2 came out and every deck was playing saga and now look it’s only amulet, jund saga and affinity/hammer time they also printed so much hate for it like the white march, boseiju, teferi time raveler (already in the format) that it is now in check

[@MaeseEidos]

@@csclinebaseball11 Yeah but when there's 1 piece that shines in affinity I'm always worried. I always felt like it was Opal out Saga in, and when next one comes, Saga goes out. Again, it's just a feeling of mine.

[@hxcnoel]

I've never agreed more with a video in my life. My two modern decks that I invested in when modern started are just stone unplayable now (elves and infect). I say bring back Birthing Pod and Splinter Twin. At least you could disrupt those decks. You can't disrupt a free card that your opponent can cast while they're tapped out

[@aaronodst1174]

I'd like to speak on behalf of the rollercoaster enjoyers, and declare that we also think making modern a steamroll format is dumb as hell

[@riverofice7666]

Nothing will change if we sit in Solitude crying. Now is not the time for Subtlety! Wizards has caused us far too much Grief for far too long! We must raise our voices with the Fury of a thousand angry virgins. The battle will be hard fought, but I truly believe that with enough Endurance we will emerge victorious. Now is the time to evoke our rights as loyal Magic the Gathering players and make our voices heard! ARE YOU WITH ME!

[@haruderhund83]

that's why I make myself some premodern decks and play this with my friends - more fun - no new cards allowed!

[@axioms22]

Premodern is an amazing format!

[@kindlerluki6993]

Don’t get me wrong but I like new cards having new mechanics and playing a variety of cards. Nevertheless the actual modern-meta determines which cards are good and which aren’t. Telling people modern has a wide range of cards is just a lie !

[@uolamer]

I used to have a very large modern collection, sold it all around when MH2 came out and I am glad I did. Probably should have done it sooner.

[@tomyang1117]

Fury and Solitude are the biggest problem of MH2. Ragavan is busted but easy to deal with, dies to everything and get stop a blocker, it doesn't feel good to get hit by it but it doesn't lose you the game on the spot. Same with Urza Saga, it is also busted but dies to hate, it is like dredge, you gotta prepare for it or you will get rekt by it. Fury and Solitude on the other hand impact the board too much and invalid multiple turns of effort with too few resources invested. Like your twin example, Ragavan needs to deal damage and Saga needs multiple turns while Fury and Solitude only needs one mana. They singlehandedly make pure creature decks obsolete. I think 4c is a fine slow/grindy deck if they don't have so much early interaction as well. 4C should also be punished by aggro decks.

[@tomyang1117]

Also I like how everyone is saying current modern is shit but no one talks about what kind of modern they actually want lol. Like no one has gave any specific answer beside "No new cards"

[@dotmp3883]

Ragavan does dodge sorcery speed interaction

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

@@tomyang1117 2016-18 modern was PEAK imho

[@Bloodfire83]

Yeah, I stopped playing Modern as soon as the first Horizons product got printed. It ruined the integrity of the format, printing cards that are "too strong for Standard" is always a terrible idea. What really baffled my mind though is how many people drank the Kool-Aid and were willing to pay premium prices for in-print Magic boosters.

[@zenmaster8826]

“Horizon is to put cards too strong for standard” “Prints cards too strong for standard with FIRES design anyways”

[@dsagent]

I proxy all my modern decks and play online for free using certain programs. Casual homebrew modern decks are awesome. Wizards are not getting any more of my money.

[@bobby45825]

Big same. I've been proxying for years now.

[@returningwhisper]

This is the way.

[@SketchyTinkerer]

You know things are so bad in Modern that it drives a man to invoke his inner Mr. Plinkett.

[@gromsgaming1256]

Started playing Modern when Khans came out and my first semi competitive deck was Abzan with Siege Rhino. Never had any real struggle against twin so many ways to answer it Dromoka's command was especially fun. Stopped playing when all the covid lockdowns started and never got back into it but it seems like the good old days are long gone.

[@samhammel8268]

I think my main problem is how pushed the power is so quickly I can't keep up with the cost and deck changes for what I want to play

[@crazyblood.3633]

I don't think any cards should be banned. I need to sell my collection first! But ya in all seriousness I haven't played modern for a long long time because I have been burnt out on the amount of cards to keep up with. =/

[@simpking2500]

please do the poll using your community tab, its impossible to find your comments in this comment section

[@marcosantonucci7368]

In MH1, when they printed Hogaak, I remember seeing a pro commenting "this is dumb". I think the same every time someone does Ragavan turn 1 or worse, dash. I think Ragavan is one of the most ridiculous cards of all time. The elementals are oppressors too and have actually detracted from the diversity of the format. I'd like to see Ragavan and Fury go.

[@Death_by_Tech]

solitude and fury. their floor is often 3 for 2 without even needing ephemerate. then it’s just nuts from there. otherwise the format is ok. if i had to specifically pick one it would be solitude. The effect should have been “destroy” not “exile”

[@jaggededge11]

The biggest problem with the MH2 Elementals was that they have an ETB trigger, when they should have had a LTB trigger. An LTB trigger would have made it so that in order to get their value upfront, you'd have had to Evoke it. And while you would have still been able to combo them with Undying, you wouldn't be able to get all their value upfront (And more so, you'd not be able to abuse them with blink effects). As for Modern, I do think the biggest target will probably be Ephemerate. The cards removal impacts the least amount of decks and is a common (So they won't lose out on those sweet reprint $$$). That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they also removed the artifact lands off the list (As well as Blazing Shoal)

[@DavianLicanius]

The real problem to me is the price. I mean I don't even play mtg anymore because to be semi-competitive you have to spend hundreds and I can't justify that for cardboard, you mentioned legacy but it's even more expensive than modern so I get why people are put off. Plus if you already have modern cards it's not as hard to transfer them between decks as it would be to get into a format like legacy imo. I mean the fact some cards can go for 80$ like Ragavaan and you need 4 is crazy. I could almost buy a PS5 off 2-3 playsets of MH2 mythics.

[@iTaLenTZ027]

I absolutely agree. Modern has turned into Horizons Block. The second problem is there is no good paper alternative. Pioneer straight up sucks. It is boring and dead. Legacy is crazy expensive and even though I have the cards to play, most people don't hence there are no tournaments. I wasn't planning on quitting the game but since a year I have basically done so. As of now it is hard to find a reason to play. This is either turning into a big hiatus or I will end up selling all my cards. tldr: Horizons pushed me out of MTG after playing for 25 years

[@placeholdername-1]

The only good paper alternative is turning all the cards you already own into some cubes and drafting them, then never playing constructed again

[@fredrickatchison4542]

Pioneer is very much alive, stores locally have replaced several events for Pioneer, and usually has a higher player count than modern, when previously, Pioneer only had a couple players, if that.

[@chrisiver8506]

Pioneer is quickly replacing modern. Modern is so homogenized and has been for an entire year now.

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

@@fredrickatchison4542 very happy for you! tbf, it might not be popular enough where OP is to play. It's dead where I am- a college town with whales and a strong comp scene. We should have TONS of Pioneer events firing off, but nobody is interested (including me tbch). From what I've seen/read online, Pioneer presence in an LGS is pretty spotty

[@Renataki_]

who is the guy @7:25

[@Euclides287]

Share this video with as many people as you can, let it go *VIRAL.* It's about time we have a serious discussion about what scummy greedy people at Wizards have done to Modern which was meant to be a *non-rotating* format. They FORCED rotation in Modern by printing a bunch of *BUSTED free spells* the likes of which we only see in *Legacy.*

[@billable1861]

This video gave me hardcore Mr. Plinketts Star Wars movie review vibes. Dark genius delivered so dryly you have to be intelligent to distinguish between the sarcasm and the plainly stated facts all of which are spot-on.

[@dylanyoung4489]

Lets be real, the entire banlist needs dramatic rework. To fix things in one swoop, start with the unbans that vary gameplay and may not even compete anyway. (Twin, bridge, GSZ top that list but there are more) Then address new problems. (Ragavan and urza's saga are the top offenders imo but there are others) They like to ban and unban at the same time to take the sting out.

[@TheBlitzgundam]

Welp, ever since MH2, I really think Modern has not been the same and I miss some of the fairer decks such as old school Jund, Humans, etc. I really hope WOTC does something about it because I don’t wanna sell an arm and leg just to get a set of Ragavans and Murktides.

[@blacksquadmtg8584]

Forces are Missing all Turn 0 Interactions and winning Options below Turn 4.thx

[@30LayersOfKevlar]

You know it's serious shit when he talks slower.

[@ivorymantis1026]

Man I feel like a damn idiot. I pulled Solitude and have been holding onto it since, wondering why it keeps increasing in price. No wonder. You can ephemerate it for 1 cmc and just keep it. I had no clue. Who the hell designs this nonsense?

[@ddwkc]

When I've just finished my twin deck, it got banned. It was just being reprinted in a master set as well. I'm still salty.

[@Arcticsharpshooter]

And don't you feel that people are kinda held hostage since then? I don't feel secure to buy a playset of the damn monkey, because it can be banned like Hogaak and like many mistakes before him.

[@pizzaturtle6226]

This is your best video yet, i love this format. As a paper magic splinter twin enjoyer, I agree. sad days

[@crissmith7398]

I mean there's also the efficiency of spells. Literally if a cantrip is breaking legacy, I wonder if it's too good for modern and Pioneer. Like Expressive Iteration can definently go to the retirement home with some of it's free spells friends.

[@WarriorFromV4LH4LL4]

Sadly this is why I only play Commander now. Hopefully they won't be able to destroy my playgroups with too many new cracked cards.

[@pridegreen]

Rather than banning cards, I think that reverting bans on cards would rebalance modern. Bring back Splinter Twin, Birthing Pod, Mox Opal, Punishing Fire, ect.. I feel like if they wanna keep MH2 cards around(and I think they should) then reinjecting the format with archetypes that people loved that were also quite powerful might be the way to go. More options with powerful cards is better than banning said cards to depower a format. It also allows for more options than just the current powerful thing that isn't banned.

[@MTGFaded]

mox opal would still be too strong

[@9forMortalMen]

Punishing fire probs wouldn’t even see play, Pod would be too strong, so would Mopal.

[@jlawsl]

Subtlety, Force of Negation and Fury in a Splinter Twin Deck would make sure that you would almost always go off. Then there is also Counterspell and Flusterstorm in the format as well that would easily replace the deck's control package. In the end, you could just slam the the Splinter Twin into the Murktide shell. Even just putting in the basic 2x Deceiver Exarch, 1x Kiki Jiki, 4x Pestermite, 4 Splinter Twin, most Murktide shells could still keep in 2-3 Ragavans if they wanted.

[@pridegreen]

It has been a while since I've played modern, so I don't have a pulse on the format like I used to. Ya'll are probably right, some cards would be too strong if they were unbanned, but it might also allow for more deck variety within the format. I might be speaking way to optimistically, but to see pod, twin, opal (possibly other cards like seething song? idk) coming back for round two just seems like so much fun. Like old dogs learning new tricks

[@leifellis5148]

Dawg I love your videos. I enjoyed your slurring fast paced shit talk a lot, I really did. But in the last week whether you got a new mic or are just paying attention to it more, or not doing shit at all, you have stepped up your game hard. And I’m here for it and you. I love your authenticity the most. Keep killing it.

[@leovoldoftrest9987]

You're one of the sharpest intellects in the MTG community. Excellent analysis. I quit Modern a while ago. It's a different, shittier, experience than when I got in. I'd like to see something like competitive singleton take off. I think reducing consistency goes a long ways towards mitigating the outlier cards like Solitude.

[@superpomeranian7963]

Competitive singleton sound so fun, reducing the games where broken cards take over and allowing greater diversity of decks

[@willlozinak5182]

I would also like to see this happen

[@grahamweaver4423]

How do you not know if a card was tested?

[@Dylan-tz9ox]

I'd like to see ragavan, shardless agent, and ephemerate banned. I would also like to see hymn to tourarch legal because if you are going to print cards with massive value generation you need equally strong value destruction. But destruction isn't a "fun" experience for the other player. Well, neither is being on the other side of insanely value positive plays like incarnation ephemarate or omnath fetchland. The incarnations would be a lot more tolerable if they were played the way they were meant to be played at the cost of the full price or 2 cards for the effect.

[@stormcrow4202]

Please never bring hymn to tourach into modern.

[@bobby45825]

Thing is with ephemerate, there's eventually going to be something like it in the future. I think you go for the throat and go after all 5 incarnations. Free casting is supposed to be aggressively frowned upon but mh2 just shit out free casting nonsense with repeatable value, like daddy pointed out, as a money making machine.

[@Dylan-tz9ox]

@@bobby45825 Doesn't that arguemnt kind of apply both ways. Also probably wouldn't print an effect similar to ephemarate if they banned it. They usually do a watered down near unplayable version which we already have in the form of undying evil. But I understand the hate for cheating on mana. Its always been unbalanced and I'd wish they stopped trying to force it.

[@spartor9896]

@@Dylan-tz9ox we do have cloudshift in the format. Same thing as Ephemerate just no rebound

[@xMikeyHardyx]

I don’t get the Ragavan argument.

[@jaydub5515]

Very good video, man. I appreciate a break from killer ass deck techs to see a Magic content creator!'s point of view... I'll play Modern again when WotC senda me a playest of Ragavan's and the Incarnations. Right now I only have like 1 or 2 of each

[@raygarcia2540]

Splinter twin was the first modern deck I tried to build back in the day, it had very few expensive rares and seemed approachable, imagine my shock when wizards ban just when I was about to complete it, I basically dropped the game at that moment and just recently (1-2 year's ago) saw the mess that modern has become, it almost makes me glad that they pushed me out of the game. Also "Crashing footsteps" God damnit man, the absolute state of the people THEY PAY to shill for their products.

[@jacksonletts3724]

I went to my first tournament right before splinter twin was banned. Very nostalgic time for me. Everything seems to have gone meting after it left the format.

[@bobby45825]

There was a guy at my LGS with a fully foiled out twin deck and I remember his reaction the day and time when he heard twin was banned. I felt so bad for the guy. Twin was GOOD but it wasn't fucking broken. It was a bad, salty ban but it's not surprising given wotc's horrible record with banning for incredibly poor to non-existent reasons.

[@irarosenblum9062]

I spent all of deployment building ur twin and a delve variant only to have it banned when I returned. Feels bad

[@mrknarf4438]

I'm glad it was banned: end of turn flash creature, part of a two card combo in a deck that could play effectively without it, and protect it with counters... I did not like it one bit. But back in the days I also used to be against Tron in Modern, turn three seven mana?

[@ssorvete89]

My friend also quit paper magic after splinter ban. It was his first deck and last. Fug wizards.

[@jingweizheng4053]

make sure you watch with subtitles. the youtube speech to text is HALERIOUS.

[@Arcticsharpshooter]

That's intended though methinks :)

[@koboldgang2246]

good shit my guy. random idea for the future: do you think you could run a tournament with the cards you mentioned banned? It would be an interesting experiment to see what decks would rise to the top if MH2 shit got axed. personally, i would also add murktide to the list, but i haven’t touched modern since birthing pod was banned so maybe i’m talkin outta my ass lol either way, love the work that you do bro. keep it up.

[@Dj87887]

Subscribed after 1:10. You're hilarious.

[@BigT89]

all modern horizons cards, making sets directly to modern was a mistake in my opinion.

[@jasoncollins218]

Great video! Ben Stein plays magic and gives a full detail on the greed of a luxury company; it’s perfect bro. I liked and sub’d you!

[@touchofrage]

Cards I would like to see addressed are the incarnation (fury,solitude,grief,endurance,sublety), ephemerate, ragavan, force of negation, urzas saga and crashing footfalls. While I have access to most of these MH2 cards I just don't enjoy playing them, let alone versing them. I'm so sick of vsing omnath decks, rhinos and especially blue/red murktide something needs to be done.

[@Deadbolt-fd2lx]

Legitimately one of the funniest MTG videos I have ever seen. Bravo!

[@DrunkenLee]

I definitely hate the 4C elemental decks. Atm it’s the best but it’s also pretty toxic. Every other deck I play against, I feel like I actually have a chance. I’m currently playing legacy with modern and it honestly almost the same but at least you have more interaction against your opponent.

[@williamfreixiela4351]

I miss so much the old days, i had Death Shadow, Scapeshift, Living End (the ban of simian killed me). After that, the pandemic, the realease of mh2 and the terrible expensive cards i stopped and i dont pretend back soon. Even your videos i miss.

[@Teifling]

I love how SO MANY MtG KZbinrs, whether they are the popular kids or out here eating sand with us, they all throw Aaron Forsythe under the bus for Magic's problems. 🤣

[@happymaster19]

Anyone else think the Triomes may have been a problem?

[@MagicAids]

They certainly made blood moon obsolete against 3 to 4 color decks! Turn one triome into two basics is pretty brutal!!

[@nonabnormal2586]

Ban bans, then make stipulations that limit how much a deck can cost. You can then have two forms of each game type. Limit cost and Unlimited cost. The problems with this would be, the secondary market would freak out for a short time, and wizards would lose their control of peoples FOMO trigger every two months.

[@bobby45825]

That'd be hilarious but wizards pretends they legally don't "know" about the secondary market. I think it's intellectually dishonest to pretend to not know about something in this day and age, when you can just google it in 3 seconds, but it is what it is. So the "cost" of the cards technically, to them, doesn't exist. They used to have an MSRP on the backs of the packs that said cards were .05 cents each but they did away with that for no reason at all.

[@MorphioEnzo]

IDK what are you talking about, for me, the format is better than ever, expensive asf but is amazing, ragavan is not that strong anymore, my friday nights with 20-30 people always is always winned for Amulet Titan, Hammer Time, Living End and in occasions Izzet, but is always fun to play against them.

[@drewt4506]

Most based MTG content creator.

[@Sir_Francis]

Is changing how Evoke works an option...? haha (I mean, I have no idea how I'd nerf Evoke, but something to maybe consider... or would that only hurt our good-boi Spitebellows?)

[@johnhowe8424]

You’re the hero we need for mtg right now. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@markmecha3100]

And this is exactly why I switched to premodern after 8 years of playing modern

[@arthaiser]

i used to play modern, now i dont. that is how good the format is for me. i dont plan on returning either, because the real solution is to ban absolutly every mh1 and mh2, no exceptions. but that is not going to happen, so... if you want to spend half the salary in cardboard cards that half the time happen to align in your hand before doing it in your opponents so that you can play your exodia first and feel like your are playing a game were thinking is important go ahead, but i would start to look at pionner seriously if i were you, in 5 years when modern bubble burst that is the format that people are going to play so better get the cards for it now

[@jormungardwe]

make the mtggoldfish suggestion do city on a bottle but for any inventive set.

[@jormungardwe]

@@wizardexemplar5240 or worse make an entire eldraine block

[@Frostgiantbutsmall]

@@wizardexemplar5240 possible?

[@gvilellarojo]

I don't know if this has been considered (I guess so, but let me say it nonetheless), but how about restricted cards in Modern the same way that there are restricted cards in Vintage?

[@xy1101]

As a Magic player, yes, start the banning! As a Magic the gathering official physical store retailer, who still has modern horizons two products, let me sell all this stuff first!