MTG - The Most Annoying/Rage-Inducing EDH/Commander Cards Ever in Magic: The Gathering!

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TheManaSource

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@TheManaSource
@TheManaSource 8 жыл бұрын
Torpor Orb is 2 mana, not 3. I'm clearly drunk. Also that card is stupid.
@YoungLiam74
@YoungLiam74 8 жыл бұрын
+TheManaSource I never have and never will pay for rhystic study :).
@akroma5370
@akroma5370 8 жыл бұрын
+TheManaSource Hey Wedge, loved this video :D basically a thing i was looking for.
@johnathangrishaw3096
@johnathangrishaw3096 8 жыл бұрын
iona
@g-unithalstensgard5610
@g-unithalstensgard5610 8 жыл бұрын
+Rip HD ironic as how you have teemo as your id pic
@wixmagic14
@wixmagic14 8 жыл бұрын
+TheManaSource I play a Brago, King Eternal Commander deck, and Torpor Orb is the bane of my existence
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 8 жыл бұрын
A small part of my soul dies every time I have to pay 1 for Rhystic Study.
@bazebl1022
@bazebl1022 8 жыл бұрын
Lol!!!
@JaxMerrick
@JaxMerrick 8 жыл бұрын
I play Nekusar with Mindcrank, never cared about paying 1.
@MRTriggerhappy7Arif
@MRTriggerhappy7Arif 7 жыл бұрын
How about doubled with Copy Enchantment?
@davizbuxaderas9396
@davizbuxaderas9396 7 жыл бұрын
Nizzahon Magic for me only teeg, and shard just have a planeswalker deck with tons of evasion, but no creatures. Other than that you can play commander, you just need tamiyo field researcher, doubling season, and the chain veil. you just play tamyio draw 3 omniscience8 then have ugin in your hand -10 draw 7 cards get other tamyio,8 play old tamyio destroy new tamyio ultimate play nicol bolas blow up ugin cast ugin -10 draw 7 gain 7 hope to get a teferi cast teferi untap chain veil activate chain veil activate nicol bolas to destroy itself cast nicol bolas destroy ugin cast ugin -10 draw 7 play gain seven, then plus 1 teferi if you do not have enough artifacts also get tezzeret to untap 2 artifacts like a mana crypt and a sol ring infinetly destroy nicol bolas ultimate nicol bolas for game, fairly consistent If you are playing for fun with friends, if not just play arcum dagson, thhat man does not care...
@StickgeneralArmy
@StickgeneralArmy 7 жыл бұрын
One time I played a game where the competitive player at the table played rhystic study and I was playing group hug so I convinced the entire table to never pay for rhystic study. He ended up drawing about 40 cards off of it
@tromedlovdrolmai
@tromedlovdrolmai 8 жыл бұрын
in one 4 player commander game i was playing, an opponent time streched, and i wild ricochetd it onto myself for 4 extra turns
@RetroPillowcase
@RetroPillowcase 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@RhysticStudies
@RhysticStudies 8 жыл бұрын
this could have easily just been a 10 minute video of you reading every card with the word *Sliver* on it.
@TheManaSource
@TheManaSource 8 жыл бұрын
+TheMagicManSam Oh...oh...JUST YOU WAIT SAM! JUST...YOU...WAIT!
@OGwold
@OGwold 8 жыл бұрын
+TheMagicManSam Do I dare to tell you I have a sliver deck with winter orb and a few cards listed here*? And would I be safe if I tell you that I'm also considering putting in another two cards from this video?
@421sagetravis
@421sagetravis 8 жыл бұрын
+Pipetruls do people actually play commander with you twice with the same deck or do they look at your Commander shake hands then admit defeat after your pod is put together once they see your Commander?
@OGwold
@OGwold 8 жыл бұрын
The people I play with actually like to play with me, even tho I got a "nasty, unfun deck". Mainly because my deck is crafted to deal with almost any threat, except aggro. I guess seeing someone sneak around death at instant speed is awesome, even if it is your opponent.
@l.h.5901
@l.h.5901 8 жыл бұрын
I also run a Overlord deck. How do you deal with sac effects? I win most of the times, but when I lose its because a black deck letting me sac some ceatures every turn, which is deadly in sliver decks, cause you need them to go off.
@brianwise5850
@brianwise5850 8 жыл бұрын
you missed Iona. and yes this is a series I want.
@TalanWH
@TalanWH 8 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is Torpor Orb, another card on this list doesn't affect Iona ;p
@phyrexiannewborn7104
@phyrexiannewborn7104 8 жыл бұрын
+Brian Wise Iona should be banned immediately.
@brianwise5850
@brianwise5850 8 жыл бұрын
+Phyrexian Newborn I don't disagree. But it probably won't because it only effects mono colored decks badly. in duel edh yeah definitely ban her. But in vs. where 4 players will most likely not be all playing the same color let alone mono color, she is just a hassle.
@ethanfordford6621
@ethanfordford6621 8 жыл бұрын
All my friends play black so its fun when someone brings a iona
@jaredreast6210
@jaredreast6210 8 жыл бұрын
If people are playing mono colour, then yes it will only affect one person, but that one player loses instantly. If people are playing two or three colour, there will be overlap. In neither scenario is it fair.
@seryntheon8195
@seryntheon8195 8 жыл бұрын
You know WHAT s c r e w it I'm buying all of these and making a wubrg deck from this list and the others to come. Sanity. I care not for it.
@THE_BATLORD
@THE_BATLORD 8 жыл бұрын
+Smiff get conflux
@seryntheon8195
@seryntheon8195 8 жыл бұрын
+THE BATLORD Yes.
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
+Smiff Most of these cards are green or white and have inevitably made their way into my Captain Sisay deck
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
Smiff ask your buddy if he's got a problem with someone casting Armageddon and Planar Cleansing in the same turn with Avacyn out. Or better yet, myojin of life's web to flash in ulamog, kozilek, akroma, iona, vorinclex, elesh norn (and wild pair trigger fetching Avacyn). please. Sisay is the memes.
@seryntheon8195
@seryntheon8195 8 жыл бұрын
Kevin Weaver he would reply the same. i have a few of those.
@slick_rickgaming1102
@slick_rickgaming1102 8 жыл бұрын
Rhystic study grinds my gears. People just say "just pay the 1", easier said than done.
@seryntheon8195
@seryntheon8195 8 жыл бұрын
+Jeremy McNair ikr
@WarsWorth
@WarsWorth 8 жыл бұрын
no it's really easily done. just pay the one. wait a turn. don't give your opponents 20 free cards in a turn. don't. just pay the 1
@slick_rickgaming1102
@slick_rickgaming1102 8 жыл бұрын
+WarsWorth so either slow your deck down and play at a handicap or let you opponent draw a card?
@WarsWorth
@WarsWorth 8 жыл бұрын
+Jeremy McNair yes. slow your deck down. Rhystic Study should read "all spells cost 1 more to play."
@Kestral287
@Kestral287 8 жыл бұрын
The last time I watched somebody not pay the one with Rhystic Study, it lead to Cyc Rift Overload + Armageddon + Boros Charm. That was definitely a fun game of Magic.
@awizardwithwords994
@awizardwithwords994 2 жыл бұрын
7:04 Had me laughing so hard. "Have you ever taken 30 damage on turn 6 or earlier? So you are familiar with Sorin Markov."
@chronojack7547
@chronojack7547 8 жыл бұрын
Wedge. we need more Worst Cards ever. Hate the Game. need more Won't Cards Ever
@chronojack7547
@chronojack7547 8 жыл бұрын
Worst* but still Wedge. Worst Cards Ever or riot
@jonasengle6233
@jonasengle6233 8 жыл бұрын
i think won't cards ever is pretty accurate
@jonteman9328
@jonteman9328 8 жыл бұрын
+Jonas Candy We also need Want cards ever, luck cards ever, fuck you cards ever, fuck me cards ever and also ever cards ever! all them lists! make it happen Wedge!
@bazebl1022
@bazebl1022 8 жыл бұрын
Just change the channel to worst cards ever already
@MortonGoldthwait
@MortonGoldthwait 8 жыл бұрын
Not a card per say, but one of the most annoying things in Commander is when you are the only one at the table packing significant amounts of board control. Annoying cards are a problem when you are constantly relying on yourself to remove them.
@Bluecrimson217
@Bluecrimson217 7 жыл бұрын
As a Daxos the Returned player I fully sympathize.
@treyconover4107
@treyconover4107 6 жыл бұрын
Half the decks I build end up control because of this.
@shikaku_
@shikaku_ 2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean stax pieces?
@TheElectricalRunneR
@TheElectricalRunneR 8 жыл бұрын
As a newer player I would love this as a series. It allows me to see a ton of cards and combos I haven't heard of.
@_boisvert163
@_boisvert163 8 жыл бұрын
The link to your outtro song is broken, but i really liked the song. anyone know what it is?
@sambarlow7213
@sambarlow7213 8 жыл бұрын
Will we be getting a SOI Commander Spotlight?
@TheManaSource
@TheManaSource 8 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@sambarlow7213
@sambarlow7213 8 жыл бұрын
Niiiiiiice, so excited!
@hendor2885
@hendor2885 8 жыл бұрын
no winter orb? really?
@TheManaSource
@TheManaSource 8 жыл бұрын
Episode 2 will exist ;)
@drybrawler
@drybrawler 8 жыл бұрын
TheManaSource don't forget stasis for a worse winter orb
@johnseifert6927
@johnseifert6927 7 жыл бұрын
Came here looking for Winter Orb.
@777Gothboy
@777Gothboy 7 жыл бұрын
lol he puts sol ring but not orb of winter smdh. pitiful
@TheRovingPunster
@TheRovingPunster 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget winter orb: the commander.
@TWilko234
@TWilko234 8 жыл бұрын
no iona, killer of fun and friendships?
@russellee5216
@russellee5216 8 жыл бұрын
+TWilko234 Gotta save something for the next installation.
@Berkaelzar
@Berkaelzar 8 жыл бұрын
+TWilko234 Thanks, that was the card I was thinking off, but coulnd't remember the name. Had a friend that used to drop her with Kaalia... good thing he fucked up his deck by removing big ass demons and angels and replacing them with massive removals XD
@ghostofkrows
@ghostofkrows 8 жыл бұрын
+TWilko234 Lol, I know everyone's pain because I play Kaalia of the Vast. Yeah people hate me when I turn 3 lock.
@Humstuck
@Humstuck 8 жыл бұрын
+TWilko234 Just play blue and copy that Iona and laugh at the mono white guy playing Iona who can't do anything now because he said "white" when casting Iona to protect it from most common exile/removal effects at the current table.
@Tsunamiis
@Tsunamiis 8 жыл бұрын
I mean i understand that monocolored decks are a thing, however at the point of the game that I've ever put Iona in the color i'm naming was going to win the next turn anyway. Most of the time when a specific player is whining at me because they got the shaft I kill it and watch the game end to the "Elves/Wizards/Wanderer" player, literally at the next available priority swap.
@ThomasB-zw3sg
@ThomasB-zw3sg 8 жыл бұрын
Rule of law actually speeds up the game. It prevents 10 minute during turns of your opponents.
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Bodifee Except when they sift through planeswalker abilities, activated abilities of artifacts/creatures. But those players would be casting spells on that of that so I guess you're still right. Just in some cases it means turns are "not quite as long as they previously would have been"
@liamhector5009
@liamhector5009 8 жыл бұрын
+Kevin Weaver but it also tends to stop some infinite and near infinite loops (expecially the recast loops) personally not a fan, but rule of law/laboratory has its uses in a game .... just depends on the player and the meta, if its a good thing or a annoying one.
@MaZe741
@MaZe741 5 жыл бұрын
"it turns one 10 minute turn into 10 turns" is not speeding things up
@raimundkeller6115
@raimundkeller6115 8 жыл бұрын
i personally hate to play against "Iona, Shield of Emeria" and "Void Winnower"
@BobNinjaCat
@BobNinjaCat 7 жыл бұрын
Raimund Keller Void Winnower can be dealt with and isn't hard to get around. Emrakuul and Ulamog, however...
@knightfromlordran
@knightfromlordran 5 жыл бұрын
with void winnower, oddly, you cant even
@adam-the-dev
@adam-the-dev 8 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm new to the format and videos like these help me NOT lose the new friends I just made at my LGS - so thank you, I appreciate it. There were cards in here where I went "Oh wow I could really do good with that" as you basically said "This is so annoying and you'll probably lose friends"... thanks
@hadroth
@hadroth 8 жыл бұрын
winter orb.... that card sucks in every format!
@MTGEDH
@MTGEDH 8 жыл бұрын
or the stick version... Hokori, Dust Drinker
@kennethacuna9996
@kennethacuna9996 8 жыл бұрын
or the enchantment version... Rising Waters
@chasestetler
@chasestetler 8 жыл бұрын
+kenneth acuna I love and hate that card. In Narset, it's incredible. Against it, kill me.
@bryancooper1244
@bryancooper1244 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Rothery or the big brother version, Stasis
@EloquentandRarity
@EloquentandRarity 8 жыл бұрын
+Bryan Cooper Stasis requires a lot of setup :(
@VBCTrinityGames
@VBCTrinityGames 8 жыл бұрын
Iona is fun...oh wait, I meant the other thing...not fun.
@_reenzane
@_reenzane 8 жыл бұрын
+VBC Trinity No Idea why he didn't mention it. This card is so boring to fight.
@tcot-wi8wf
@tcot-wi8wf 8 жыл бұрын
yeah Iona pisses me off to be glad Iona is legal and painters servant is banned imagine this play you cast Kaalia of the vast equip lightning greaves then you cast painters servant and pick a color then you attack with Kaalia and put Iona into play choosing the color you just turned everything
@VBCTrinityGames
@VBCTrinityGames 8 жыл бұрын
***** I agree that she's either totally underwhelming or completely fun-killing. If I was playing a mono colored deck and I knew my opponent was playing Iona at all - I probably just wouldn't play against them haha (I know you can just play colorless removal such as Perilous Vault and Oblivion Stone - still not fun though). Playing unfun decks in a casual setting is a good way to make your friends never want to play with you again - I learned this the hard way back in the day playing Pox haha *Note - I think Iona is totally cool in competitive formats though.
@tyhatfield7156
@tyhatfield7156 6 жыл бұрын
VBC Trinity Games That’s the thing about a play that card too. And then I play way worse cards and even he even imagined like defense of the heart. Tooth and nail. My guy get with my old 12/12 infect, then my creature that gives all my characters horsemanship!
@sammcguire3798
@sammcguire3798 7 жыл бұрын
When I see a basic land, I just get so TILTED!!!!
@TheOnlyBootlegger
@TheOnlyBootlegger 7 жыл бұрын
Akroan Horse: 0/4 Artifact creature for 4 Defender When Akroan Horse enters the battlefield, target player gains control of it. At the beginning of the contoller's upkeep, all opponents get a 1/1 white warrior token. SUPER fun when you're playing 4-way commander and you get stuck with it
@alienplatypus7712
@alienplatypus7712 8 жыл бұрын
Clearly every single card that Zedruu runs was overlooked.
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 8 жыл бұрын
+Alien Platypus probably because most of them aren't the cards as much as the combos. Also these rage cards are clearly from the perspective of a control commander.
@Arvensa
@Arvensa 8 жыл бұрын
+Atmapalazzo Except Rhystic Study. And perhaps Rule of Law and friend (depending on whether you define pillowfort as control).
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 8 жыл бұрын
+Lance Groeneveld except that both those cards were mentioned :V
@Arvensa
@Arvensa 8 жыл бұрын
Atmapalazzo You said... from perspective of a control player. He hated on Rhistic study, a control player magnet. He hated on Rule of Law, a pillowfort card. Wedge is in fact a control/pillowfort player, but he wasn't singing their praises.
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 8 жыл бұрын
oh, you meant that. I thought you were talking about the first part of my comment.
@wbetz75
@wbetz75 8 жыл бұрын
Wedge, Keep up the good work. I like this series can we have more of this type from you?
@SylveonSilver
@SylveonSilver 8 жыл бұрын
How about the staple blue cyclonic rift that either everyone bluffs having or has just at the right moment every game?
@afk5112
@afk5112 4 жыл бұрын
U ever seen Zur's Weierding?
@evileyeball
@evileyeball 8 жыл бұрын
And here I thought you'd mention something that counters the first spell played every turn when you mentioned Arcane Laboratory/Rule of law. I also was expecting to see something like Naked Singularity show up but then I realized with Cumulative Upkeep 3 it's not so bad. Speaking of Time Stretch, I don't play that. I do however run Both Beacon of Tomorrows and Eye of the storm in the same deck... Like in one game I played Me: Play Eye of the storm Opponent: Army of the damned Next player : Sometthing and 13 2/2 zombie Tokens Next player Something Something and 13 2/2 zombie tokens Me: Play beacon, Something Something and 13 2/2's Shuffle Beacon Seathing song, Beacon, Something Something and 13 2/2's Mana Geyser, Seathing Song, Beacon Something Something and another 13 2/2's Epic Experiment for 32, Mana Geyser, Seathing Song, Beacon, Something Something and 13 more 2/2's And so on and so on until turn is finished Takes Second turn ... ... Draws beacon of tomorrows Table Gives up.
@MrZoichi
@MrZoichi 8 жыл бұрын
Cyclonic Rift. You all know why.
@ZenIsStupid
@ZenIsStupid 8 жыл бұрын
Best control card ever printed!
@bazebl1022
@bazebl1022 8 жыл бұрын
+MrZoichi the tempo gain though...
@MrCouchbleh
@MrCouchbleh 8 жыл бұрын
By the time somebody casts that in my games, it just reads 'tap everybody's lands for a turn'
@Kryptnyt
@Kryptnyt 8 жыл бұрын
+BOBONATOR2 I usually see it read "You win the game"
@dylanwight5764
@dylanwight5764 7 жыл бұрын
T1: Forest, Dorkish Elf, go T2: Plains, Selvala (from command zone), go T3: Forest, Dorkish Elf/Better Dorkish Elf, go T3.5: Swords/Path/Condemn, tap Selvala T4: Armageddon, thanks for playing
@stephenwatson3136
@stephenwatson3136 7 жыл бұрын
im suprised zur didnt make the list hes arguably the best commander in the format
@FalseOracle617
@FalseOracle617 5 жыл бұрын
Thrasios
@Volvary
@Volvary 8 жыл бұрын
When you talked about extra turns, I thought of a card we all hate. When we don't play that deck. I'm talking about Time Sieve. With Thopter Foundry, Sword of the Meek AND Time Sieve all costing 2, you can fetch any of the three you are missing with a transmute. Assemble them all and you got yourself an infinite combo.
@josephlucero3365
@josephlucero3365 8 жыл бұрын
is it bad if im running most of these already
@g-unithalstensgard5610
@g-unithalstensgard5610 8 жыл бұрын
it means you're playing the game efficiently. Nicely, on the other hand, is not your forte
@ZoidsNut
@ZoidsNut 8 жыл бұрын
+Joseph Lucero yes. =p
@Humstuck
@Humstuck 8 жыл бұрын
+Joseph Lucero It probably means you play group plays hard like mine :)
@Chosen1_of.the.NONexistent_God
@Chosen1_of.the.NONexistent_God 8 жыл бұрын
+Joseph Lucero You are not alone, in my 12 edh decks, I play all those or similar cards, except 3 of this list. Sol ring, Rustic study and Vorinclex for me are staples in EDH.
@bazebl1022
@bazebl1022 8 жыл бұрын
You must have Zero friends
@Zronium
@Zronium 8 жыл бұрын
I have a bad habit of receiving maximum rage in my play group. Reason being, I play Arbiter, featuring cards like Iona, Stripmine/wasteland+sun titan, and every Ghostly prison effect in the colours. Having played the deck for a while now, my top 3 plays that lead to the most salt were as follows. Turn 1 sol ring, signet.Turn 2 Arbiter, Blind Obedience. Turn 3 Elspeth Suns champion, Luminarch ascension. My opponents conceded. Or how about strip mine, sun titan strip mine, lightning greaves sun titan attack strip mine. I've done that a few times. But my favourite play i made was after i got milled a bunch, Emeria Sheppard Fetch, get back standstill to my hand, Fetch for hallowed fountain, get back Solemn, get plains, get back suntitan, get back fetch land, landfall get back lightning greaves, fetch plains, get back Elspeth, play greaves on titan, attack get back O-ring, play standstill, pass. Arbiter is a fun deck. for me.
@kennethacuna9996
@kennethacuna9996 8 жыл бұрын
Where's Havoc Festival Painful Quandary Spreading Plague
@pervavita
@pervavita 8 жыл бұрын
+kenneth acuna that's for the second video in the series :)
@kennethacuna9996
@kennethacuna9996 8 жыл бұрын
also another card i hate in EDH is sensei's top. im sure every one knows how much time that adds into a game when its played.
@liamhector5009
@liamhector5009 8 жыл бұрын
+kenneth acuna i agree on sensei's top (annoys me to know end, and its always the player with the longest turn that tend to play it ... more then doubling the turn length) the others arnt really a big deal, they tend to have little impact on games. I even removed painful quandary from my deck from how little impact it had on games (torpor orb is fun, and tends to maintain order/keep a player from combo-ing off)
@TheComicBookJoker
@TheComicBookJoker 7 жыл бұрын
Liam Hector Painful Quandary is an auto-include for a few EDH builds. One example is Phage, the Untouchable. Use Torpor Orb (or one of a few other methods) to prevent getting killed by her ETB effect, then when she eventually dies, because NO ONE wants to risk getting touched by Phage, Painful Quandary turns her into immediate player removal.
@maileesaeya3614
@maileesaeya3614 8 жыл бұрын
Cyclonic Rift. Instant-speed one-way total boardwipe. The EDH regulars at my LGS have an informal house rule adding it to the banlist. We generally let anyone who brought one unknowingly simply use it as Disperse.
@PissedOffRedneck1
@PissedOffRedneck1 7 жыл бұрын
way better than desolater, he complains too much
@anthonydelfino6171
@anthonydelfino6171 7 жыл бұрын
On a related note to Arcane Laboratory, Mana Maze is another fun one to trip up your opponents while not being *quite* as oppressive. On the plus side, it does basically say "blue spells can not be countered" I'll admit to running it in one of my heavy control deck. Along with Arcane Laboratory.... and Eidolon of Rhetoric....
@jasonkikel8038
@jasonkikel8038 8 жыл бұрын
Needs more Humility
@WizardLogic
@WizardLogic 8 жыл бұрын
Empress Galina, Knowledge Pool, Smokestack, Dead Eye Navigator, Lodestone Golem, Trinisphere, Burgeoning, Consecrated Sphinx, Sphinx's Tutelage, aaaaand Standstill. Commander is both the most wonderful and most detrimental format of all time. Coming from someone who plays Jace, Vryn's Prodigy as their commander, and goes infinite on turn taking.
@TheMrVengeance
@TheMrVengeance 8 жыл бұрын
I don't get why people have a problem with Sol Ring. It's just about the most vanilla mana rock available, it's about 50 cents and in every pre-con so it's not expensive or hard to get, and it's colourless so it fits in every deck that'd want to play it. I don't get what's so bad about Sol Ring when you have things like Chromatic Lantern, Worn Powerstone and Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, Coalition Relic, the Talismans etc. etc. etc.
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
+TheMrVengeance The thing is there are deck that have a reason not to play Chromatic Lantern, Thran Dynamo, Gilded Lotus, etc. There's close to no reason not to play Sol Ring in just about every conceivable deck. It's ramp with no downside. Mana generators that produce more than they cost will always be an asset. It's as good turn 1 as it is turn 50 as you play it for literally less than free. Meanwhile there's times I have 4 or 5 mana and dont want to play Thran Dynamo or Gilded Lotus
@TheMrVengeance
@TheMrVengeance 8 жыл бұрын
Kevin Weaver - Yeah, but that's why I don't get why people would hate / be annoyed by the card. It costs nothing (in money and mana), it's useful for every deck / colour. It's obvious why cards like Contamination and Torpor Orb and Winter Orb and Iona, are cards that people hate in Commander. They stop you from actually playing the game. Or they make it last an eternity by not untapping or only playing 1 spell a turn. I don't see why a super vanilla universal ramp card would be in that same list of cards people hate.
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
TheMrVengeance because again, you can make cases to not run torpor orb. You can't really make a case to not run sol ring. So it essentially takes your deckbuilding element (one of the most fun parts of edh) and says, "no, you don't need 99 cards, you have sol ring. You need 98." But wait, there's command tower, now you only need 97. You're in green? Ok, cultivate, kodamas reach, green suns zenith. Now it's 94. You're in blue? Cyclonic rift, cryptic command, mystic confluence. Now you only need 91 cards! 10% of your deck is built already!
@TheMrVengeance
@TheMrVengeance 8 жыл бұрын
Kevin Weaver - Exactly, so why hate specifically Sol Ring, when there are a dozen "must-include" cards?
@kevinweaver2445
@kevinweaver2445 8 жыл бұрын
+TheMrVengeance because it's the "every deck must include this card" card. along with command tower, it automatically takes away 2 slots from your deck no matter what strategy because your hindering yourself simply by not playing them.
@sephyrias883
@sephyrias883 6 жыл бұрын
I'd also include some of those "oops I win" cards, that you just draw lategame, play and win with immediately. (like Tooth and Nail, Paradox Engine, etc.)
@gallyyum5407
@gallyyum5407 8 жыл бұрын
Cyclonic Rift pisses me off
@Krajcik1964
@Krajcik1964 7 жыл бұрын
Cycolinc Rift, if played right, should read "Win the game."
@StickgeneralArmy
@StickgeneralArmy 8 жыл бұрын
In one game, I was pheldagriff and someone played thus tic study. I then brokered a treaty that says that no one may ever pay for rhystic study. He drew 50 cards off it.
@treygregory5360
@treygregory5360 7 жыл бұрын
I had a friend who was annihilating his opponent. And his opponent only had one life left and was relieved that the end was near, however, my friend was done having his fun and used Sorin to make his life back to 10.
@PandaJNiccals
@PandaJNiccals 7 жыл бұрын
a number of people I play with have been removing sol rings from our decks. because we got tired of seeing it in literally EVERY deck ever
@steckner
@steckner 8 жыл бұрын
I feel "Sensei's Divining Top" needs a spot here. Like Sol Ring, it's a highly-powerful card that you *need* to run in every single deck you ever make. Unlike Sol Ring, some people waste a lot of time with it (looking at the cards for five minutes and putting them back in the same order). Also, it's self-protecting, so unless you waste a Krosan Grip, it's not going away. A last point against it is price; as of right now it's like $30, which is pretty expensive for a must-have. "Goblin Sharpshooter" should be here too. It totally hoses token decks, as well as many decks that rely on weak creatures with strong abilities. Oh, also, put "Stasis" on the list. That card ruins lives.
@HailBacon
@HailBacon 8 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add , that tree of perdition is a rather devastating card in commander. I dropped an opponent to 13 , and wound up with a 0/61 blocker. It has the ability to be a massive cannon.
@omgitsgodzilla101
@omgitsgodzilla101 8 жыл бұрын
I completely agree! Of course i'm not exactly innocent, I used to have an esper artifact edh deck with Sen Triplets. I'd use Sphinx Summoner to tutor Magister Sphinx to my hand on turn five and then tap down the Master Transmuter I played on turn four to bounce Sphinx Summoner and put down the Magister. On turn five their life total would be 10, I'd have a 5/5 flying threat that they would have to deal with immediately and i'd have recurring artifact creature tutors straight to the battlefield for five mana each turn. Plus Mycosynth Lattice, Darksteel Forge and Nevinyrral's Disk combo is just straight up stupid if you when you have Master Transmuter to bounce a one drop Soul Ring in exchange for a nine drop Darksteel Forge. I felt so bad for pulling off some of my combos that i almost wanted to apologize..
@victormujat4710
@victormujat4710 8 жыл бұрын
Honestly, in a game with a decent amount of players, getting hit with Curse of Exhaustion is even worse than Rule of Law or Arcane Laboratory. It's the same effect, but it only works on the enchanted player, meaning that if you get hit by it, you get to watch everybody play as many cards as they want, but you're the only one who can only cast 1 spell a turn.
@THENOCK1366
@THENOCK1366 8 жыл бұрын
Tangle Wire and Null Rod. Plus the combination of strip mine, crucible of worlds, and any card that lets you play more than one land a turn.
@iazire
@iazire 7 жыл бұрын
Am I the only person that watches these kinds of videos for ideas on what to put in new decks? This obviously isn't my first time watching, but I like to come back from time to time just to see what I may have missed. Good stuff here.
@grabsackturmencough
@grabsackturmencough 8 жыл бұрын
Hokori, Dusk Drinker. Winter Orb. Static Orb. Necropotence. Sunder. Stasis. Omniscience. Tamiyo. The list goes on
@markquaker8743
@markquaker8743 8 жыл бұрын
This is a rather amusing video, I wouldnt be opposed to seeing more of them.
@bfitz82
@bfitz82 8 жыл бұрын
You finally got me. I played enough MTG & watched enough of your videos that I never have to play again. Thank you.
@cadenconnolly
@cadenconnolly 6 жыл бұрын
One of the most annoying things to do in a commander game: when I know I can't win, and my three opponents take forever to finish their turns, I put in my earbuds after my turn and watch KZbin videos. If I am the target of an attack I don't even try to block.
@ghostofthesun9097
@ghostofthesun9097 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for telling me what cards to have in a deck! great advice!
@apatheticclock17
@apatheticclock17 8 жыл бұрын
"Sorin Markov! Good thing you cant play him turn one!" But you can play him turn two. Turn one you drop swamp and get a sol ring. Turn two drop another swamp, use that swamp for dark ritual then use a swamp and sol ring and you have Sorin turn two.
@Tsunamiis
@Tsunamiis 8 жыл бұрын
I agree with the Solring choice. it usually comes with a 2 mana rock ontop of it also. The T1 Solring guy is usually the guy who wins.
@chulumpthebigmoneywizard851
@chulumpthebigmoneywizard851 8 жыл бұрын
I'm ok with sol ring, because I know that sometimes I'll be the one with it turn one and sometimes I won't. Also, seer's vision is "fun," because it basically reads "the next your opponent doesn't play a bomb the turn they draw it, they discard it."
@asrafel13
@asrafel13 8 жыл бұрын
as a Krenko player, Darksteel Mutation on said Mob Boss has blown out my competitiveness on multiple occasions.
@scatterbrainart
@scatterbrainart 7 жыл бұрын
Once I was playing a blink deck against 3 other players. I cast Magister Sphinx, making opponent A's life total 10; then hit Opponent A with Brago King Eternal, blinked M.Sphinx, then cast Otherworldly Journey, blinking M.Sphinx again. I don't have friends anymore.
@peniasd
@peniasd 8 жыл бұрын
This could be a series/guide not to lose your friends. I'm diggin' it.
@fiddlestyxify
@fiddlestyxify 8 жыл бұрын
Azusa, Lost but Seeking. Lost but seeking my mind once my opponent is seven to ten land drops ahead of me.
@phyrexian_dude4645
@phyrexian_dude4645 8 жыл бұрын
Oh boy where to start... - Zur the enchantres. - Grand Arbiter Augustin. - Winter Orb. - Chains of mephistopheles - Ristic Study. - Armagedon. - Maelstrom Wanderer.
@PokemonTrainer87
@PokemonTrainer87 8 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see a series on annoying cards in MTG :D
@johannesottosson5218
@johannesottosson5218 8 жыл бұрын
Attacked with Narset, Enlightened Master revealing Time Stretch and Narset Transcendent.............. From this point on Time Stretch was banned in our playing group, it was so much fun while it lasted!
@Chosen1_of.the.NONexistent_God
@Chosen1_of.the.NONexistent_God 8 жыл бұрын
Mesmeric Orb, Winter Orb, Stasis, Energy Flux, Aura Flux, Notion Thief, Sire of Insanity, Iona, Shield of Emeria, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur and Cyclonic Rift
@jamesfall948
@jamesfall948 8 жыл бұрын
Keep doing this series. Even if they are annoying cards, more wedge is still good.
@WeskersPlayhouse
@WeskersPlayhouse 8 жыл бұрын
The annoying thing about Rhystic Study is the question "did you pay the 1?" My God, when the player with it asks that question EVERY single time, I want to strangle them. Also, at least Aura Shards is a may, if there's a slivers player with Harmonic and there isn't a darksteel something out to target, shit gets annoying fast
@FtonDavid
@FtonDavid 7 жыл бұрын
It is nice to have a list of, use with caution cards, when tweaking a deck it's always tempting to make the most competitive deck possible, but at two hours a game you are well served by ensuring most everyone is at least having mostly fun otherwise your decks sit in the closet unused as no one will play.
@travelsonic
@travelsonic 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always, Wedge. Something about these types of vids, as downbeat as they may be, that I really enjoy.
@Loozar402
@Loozar402 8 жыл бұрын
It always brings me great joy when other people choose to pay for Rhystic Study and the sadness on its controller's face.
@rachelrakowski4488
@rachelrakowski4488 8 жыл бұрын
One of the most used phrases in my play group is "Did you pay the one?"
@esands36
@esands36 7 жыл бұрын
Despite the one colourless cumulative upkeep, I run Mystic Remora in my Simic EDH. It can really slow down some decks.
@SampleChan
@SampleChan 7 жыл бұрын
"Why have one turn when for 10 mana you can have two..." or 22 as I managed running Nelson with reverberate on my isochron (which was activated using sol ring mana), then copied with a flashbacked increasing vengeance. I then recurred it a few times to make sure the game was mine. I had no one on my table 2 turns in CD
@phyrexiannewborn7104
@phyrexiannewborn7104 8 жыл бұрын
We want a "most annoying" commander deck tech series. You've shown is the cards that will help us lose friends. Please show us deck builds that will literally get us shot.
@dzspdref
@dzspdref 6 жыл бұрын
Oh and you forgot Stasis. That card is so hated by players in our area that some card stores have BANNED used of that card in their stores, even for tournaments.
@DeviltoGeorgia34
@DeviltoGeorgia34 7 жыл бұрын
Contaminate - A guy played it turn 4 when I was playing Kynaios & Tiro....I scooped. Aura Shards - Meh, not too concerned. Torpor Orb - Don't care too much unless I'm playing my Dromar Esper ETB deck. Sol Ring - Pretty much everyone has it, so it's not rage inducing to me. Serra Ascendant - I'm that guy, I have one in my Tariel deck. Sorry not sorry. Linvala - Yes, annoying. Gaddock - F**k!!!! Rule of Law/Arcane Lab - Never seen them before, but look stupid as crap to play against. Rhystic Study - Ugh... Armageddon/Jokulhaups - Do you want me to literally punch you in the face?!? Back to Basics - Never encountered it. Blood Moon - Yeah, I'm targeting you. Vorinclex - I hereby waste my turn to rid ourselves of it, so you don't have to. I'm helping, don't kill me. Sorin Markov - Oh....k.... :( Magister Sphinx - Running it. "Play that spell...I dare you...I'll flicker my sphinx." Time Stretch - If you don't win with this card, you're playing it wrong. Honorable Mention: Expropriate. Essentially reads "Choose one: Cast Time Walk & Blatant Thievery without paying their mana costs, or Take all the turns and if you don't win, you are bad."
@abbadox315
@abbadox315 6 жыл бұрын
might I say for Sorin Markov, if you have less than 10 life (EX: if you have 4 life) you could bring your health up to 10 basically every turn
@THE_BATLORD
@THE_BATLORD 8 жыл бұрын
jokulhaps is a great game-ender. i love to resolve it with darksteel forge out so that I get to play magic and everyone else gets to suck it
@lukem8177
@lukem8177 8 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda sad that Stoney Silence wasn't mentioned. I played it on turn 2 in a game recently and turned my opponents' mana rock into dead weight! Also, putting Mycosynth Latice on the field means nobody can cast ANYTHING (tapping a land for mana is a activated ability) and you just have to punch it out!
@Chardvaargh
@Chardvaargh 7 жыл бұрын
I have a friend that playes Esper artifacts and has no wincon. All he does is complain when anyone gets rid of any of his stuff until he sets up his darksteel forge, platinum angel, abunis/Padeem, and lattice.
@05basTi
@05basTi 8 жыл бұрын
What comes immediatly to mind is Humility. Its so annoying if someone uses it without winning in the next couple of turns. At least an honorable mention to this list.
@nemobaize7716
@nemobaize7716 8 жыл бұрын
sol ring is just a maturity test in my playgroup. everyone has one, so if you complain about not having yours, you're clearly not someone we want to play with.
@LastBladewing
@LastBladewing 8 жыл бұрын
Serra Ascendant was in the Magic duels of the planeswalkers game from 2013, i believe it was in the ajani preconstructed deck. Now there was 2 headed giant, and the team who picked ajanis deck and has this on turn one usually destroyed the other team. in order to balance this problem, wizards actually changed this card!! but only in duels. it now says: if your you have +10 more life than your starting life, it gets the bonus. thats how broken this thing is...
@LaBlueSkuld
@LaBlueSkuld 8 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why my cousin and I only really play Commander with silly Tribal, Preconstructed and Kitchen Table builds instead of actual competitive decks... these cards are common staples at our LGS.
@samdonner7474
@samdonner7474 8 жыл бұрын
I built Melek, Izzet Paragon as my second EDH deck, didn't think about the back lash of Time Stretch. I copied it 6 times. I then proceeded to not win and made everyone sit there for an hour and did nothing. I haven't touched UR since.
@jacebeleren9290
@jacebeleren9290 7 жыл бұрын
You know, I saw you mention Aura Shards, but the creature version (Harmonic Sliver) is run in a LOT more decks that I've seen.
@jackflowers2944
@jackflowers2944 8 жыл бұрын
Void Winnower "Oh, you mean I can't block, AND I can't cast cards to remove it? Ok, yeah, that's fine."
@Volkbrecht
@Volkbrecht 7 жыл бұрын
Before it was banned, my most hated card was Prophet of Kruphix. Not even because how good it was, but in an advanced state of the game he got copied and stolen all over the board, and his ability translated into: "take an extra turn after this one". It could take forever to get to play again. What currently pisses me of most are pointless chaos decks, and within those: Thieves' Auction. With a full table of 4-6 players, it can take an hour before you get to play actual Magic again. When that card is played, I usually just leave the game.
@HurstBen
@HurstBen 7 жыл бұрын
Storm Cauldron, Static Orb, Possibility Storm, Teferi's Puzzle Box, and Knowledge Pool belong on this list.
@perfectdoll4112
@perfectdoll4112 7 жыл бұрын
Torpor Orb was just re-made in Ixalan as a creature and you liked it XD
@Krishnath.Dragon
@Krishnath.Dragon 7 жыл бұрын
I can honestly say, I disagree with most of those, they are generally easy to deal with by most decks. No, if you want annoying: Iona, Shield of Emeria. If you play monocolor and she hits the table, you might as well concede if your opponent chooses your color, and if you play two or more colors, you better hope they don't pick the color most of your removal is in. Iona thought me that it is a good idea to always pack answers in multiple colors, or if you play monocolor, get some colorless answers. Thank Hades that WotC printed Universal Solvent in Aether Revolt. It may be expensive to use, but it does deal with most threats, and is widely available.
@kokioen
@kokioen 8 жыл бұрын
Remember, fun is a zero-sum game. When nobody else has any, then, by extension, I must have it all. Also, where is Rest in Peace? You haven't experienced salt and/or major grudges until you've resolved this beauty on a table filled with graveyard shenanigans, or after the reanimator traumatized himself.
@akuulikesmagic5259
@akuulikesmagic5259 8 жыл бұрын
also another thing about rhystic study, its super annoying when the person witch it constantly asks: "are you going to pay the extra 1 for that?"
@CaptConfuzionMANGO
@CaptConfuzionMANGO 8 жыл бұрын
Speaking of rage-inducing, your shirt today was mildly infuriating. The little logo made it look like there was something stuck on my phone screen. Gj
@Late_Night_Mega
@Late_Night_Mega 8 жыл бұрын
Surprised Warp World wasn't mentioned, or the Great Aurora. Winter Orb I'd have to imagine is annoying too, I considered throwing one in my Colorless commander deck, but with Ulamog as my commander, I didn't want to do something like that to make me even more of a target.
@swedething87
@swedething87 7 жыл бұрын
So my favorite Commander is Child of Alara. Literally built my deck to wipe the board of everything. It uses Myojin of Infinite Rage, Armageddon, Wrath of God, Day of Judgement, Damnation, and of course Child of Alara (whom I would send to the graveyard rather than the Command Zone). Practically limitless ways to reset the game in the deck.
@Krajcik1964
@Krajcik1964 7 жыл бұрын
Have a deck built along the same lines. Like your thinking!
@Kyurealm
@Kyurealm 8 жыл бұрын
Destructive Force is supper annoying, not only it makes you sac 5 lands, but can basically destroy all of your creatures as well. Wildfire is the same. Consecrated Sphinx is the one I have that makes my opponents hate me so badly, all I did was to cast a 6 mana flier that let's me draw 2 cards during each of their turns at least. The same thing happens with all of the eldrazi titans. Why won't they let my little spaghetti babies be in peace? :-( In which case Eye of Ugin is the land everyone goes after... Ashen Rider, Gisela, Purphoros, Skullclamp, Sheoldred, Yosei, Iona, Hokori, Fecundity (in a tokens deck is just gross), Void Winnower, Augustin, Lurking Predators, Kikki Jiki, Rising Waters, Kaalia, Brago, Doubling Season, Akroma's Memorial, Craterhoof Behemoth, Winter/Static Orb, Mind's Eye, Narset Enlightened Master, Sensei's Divining Top, the red and black Myojins and Gitaxias are a few of the cards that run around my group and everyone hates to see enter the field. Although honestly, casting a simple Boundless Realms makes everyone hate you for an entire round and will try to kill you just for daring to double your lands.
@MoxxieIsBestBoy
@MoxxieIsBestBoy 8 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna assume that some soulless monster saw the amount of green/white cards in this list and immediately started building GW Death & Taxes with Gaddock Teeg as the general.
@Paikon097
@Paikon097 8 жыл бұрын
About the sol ring. In our city it's not a problem any more, we started playing french and now there is no 3rd turn gg. I mean 1st turn: forest, exploration, forest, mana crypt , cultivate 2nd turn: land, sol ring, mana vault, KARN=gg;
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