MTG Top 10: Alternate Win Conditions | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 242

[@InRealTime769]

Door to Nothingness has the most metal flavor text: "All memory of your existence will be wiped from reality. You will die, and no one will mourn."

[@Alikaoz]

It's a Mirran card, it's pure metal

[@lucaseduardoferreira9015]

@Samuel Friedman is it "Only a mad man would build It. Only a idiot would open it."?

[@crabobserver]

@@lucaseduardoferreira9015 yes.

I will argue that this is even more metal: scryfall.com/card/uma/32/reya-dawnbringer

[@blackknightjack3850]

@@lucaseduardoferreira9015 Honestly I like the Memnarch quote even better

[@thomaspalmer2828]

It's OK Simic Ascendancy, I still love you.

[@Driftbloondream]

The active is good when paired with sharktocrab, tap target creature for two combat rounds for 3 mana.

[@vario6492]

😢

[@skyguy713]

Just gotta take it to the top

[@joeyg7520]

Rudy Wagner also hydras growth

[@angelalex6944]

Helix pinnacle

[@AidanWR]

Fun fact: an official ruling for Battle of Wits is that your deck must be able to be shuffled in a reasonable amount of time

[@Lovuschka]

Actually that is a ruling for every deck. It just mostly affects decks with Battle of Wits.

[@mutedonkey8361]

You only have to shuffle 2 and a half edh decks soooooo 😵

[@Lovuschka]

@@kaderdoo In real life.

[@stigmaoftherose]

How I shuffle my decks: press R and let Table top simulator shuffle for me.

@@stigmaoftherose Now that you mention that, I wonder if the official rules about deck size are modified in online/PC versions of MTG

[@overlordmogg9103]

The best one is The Cheese Stands Alone

[@dyciefisk2535]

If anyone asks, just say "it's actually Barren Glory" just so long as you don't also have Barren Glory in there. Nobody should really argue with that

[@Lovuschka]

@@dyciefisk2535 It's an incredible way to win flavor-wise. Really glad they un-un-ed it, to speak so, by functionally reprinting it in a legal set.

[@christmas6666]

YES

[@stilljustsoph664]

@@dyciefisk2535 An important distinction to make, they're not exactly the same, The Cheese Stands Alone is strictly better due to triggering not just on your upkeep.

[@chad9113]

Lol.. Is that unglued expansion card,.?

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Awe, Nizzahon, you never even mentioned the name of the deck that topped with Door to Nothingness when that was the best part! Who can hate a deck called Omnidoor Thragfire?

[@oliverdanckert5407]

Approach of the second sun is so fun to play with! You draw cards and the clock ticks down. Tick tock, kill me soon...

[@Devilish420]

If you have black and white in the deck you can always play a tutor card after casting approach the first time to speed up the process of your victory. 😎

[@Ceracio]

On MTGA closed Beta I played against one of the most janky and yet satisfying combo decks I've ever lost to. The guy hard-cast Omniscience, then cast 2 copies of Mastermind's Acquisition, fetching and playing Lich's Mastery from his deck and then Approach of the Second Sun from his sideboard. The Gain 7 life clause on Approach gave him the 7 card draw required to redraw it, and re-cast it. Mad I tell you!

[@BrotherAlpha]

@@Ceracio I hate that card, because too many times my opponent's main win con was play slowly enough to get people to rage quit.

[@benpeterson4673]

...Tick tock, it's high noon.

[@DarksteelHeart]

Unless you combine ot with Alhammaret's Archive. With a little blue draw.

[@JalebJay]

Thassa's Oracle might take away Lab Maniac's insta win in majority of cases.

[@Ninjamanhammer]

Yeah I doubt we'll see much of Lab Man anymore.

[@alecazam6755]

@@Ninjamanhammer unless oracle gets banned

[@Ninjamanhammer]

In pioneer maybe.

[@XavierKaziTheZombie]

Why would they ban Oracle?

[@Ninjamanhammer]

@Najawin Are you high? My comment: "Yeah I doubt we'll see much of Lab Man anymore."

[@fidly4]

If we define "alternate win condition" as winning without milling your opponent or getting their life total to zero, as you did at the beginning, then I think the number one is glistener elf lol.

[@vario6492]

Number one is roping your opponent into rage quitting the arena 🤸

[@HaydenX]

I thought Laboratory Maniac would be number 2 or 3 for sure. I had some Modern tournament success with it myself in a mono-U devotion Omnipotence deck.

[@the_artless]

Both vraskas are not played as alter-win con. Maniac is actually 3rd.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

You know, the single greatest win condition ever is doing "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)". Not only would you win the game, but you'd win my ultimate cudos. Also, this was going to be one of my backup suggestions once you did Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9).

[@exaroc571]

ancestral recall is nr2 with 622 points, score seen in top instants. then come black lotus with probably the highest score ever (every vintage deck ever). time spiral is probably nr 9. twister 8. then come moxes, with pearl at 7th, emerald 6th, ruby 5th, jet 4th and sapphire 3rd.

[@Ninjamanhammer]

Black Lotus isn't played in every vintage deck. Dredge doesn't play it.

[@imperium3556]

@@exaroc571 None of those would be on the list because they're power 9...

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

@Najawin "Top 10 cards based only on their points earned in vintage (minus power 9)" is my preferred definition. Although a "Top 10 cards only legal in Vintage (minus power 9)" would also work.

[@l0ker507]

Have you done a list of cards that let you search and remove cards from an opponent's library, like "unmoored ego" as a recent example? That could be a neat video.

[@gisone6403]

Black is definitely great for that.

[@Milkybetrayal]

Lobotomy

[@arnior8365]

Wow, Thassa’s Oracle really shot up to the top. This was a good one, most of these are EDH favorites.

[@Reliquancy]

Oh, I’ve only been playing a couple years but Bolas, Vraska, Jace, and Thrassa’s oracle have all been around since then so I thought alternate win conditions were a lot more common than just 38 in the whole history of the game...

[@quint3ssent1a]

Earlier alternate wincons were wacky and hard to pull off, now it's more balls to the wall in terms of power. When you present something like Nicol 🅱️olas, your opponent knows that he should do something right now, or he loses.

[@ToddPataky]

I never competed with it, but I did create a self-mill deck around Laboratory Maniac. The look on my friends' faces when I started milling myself and then put the Maniac out (I hadn't told them the premise of the deck) was classic

[@nickbalmes6640]

Approach of the Second Sun is my pet favorite. It was my win-con back in Amonkhet standard and an alternate win-con in my Arcades defender deck. ☀️🌞

[@mightybatillo]

2:07 "Challenging to shuffle that deck" lmao, you would get strong arms after playing with that deck.

[@Earthboundmike]

Door to nothingness is gonna be in my sliver deck when I finish building that. It amuses me.

[@jaxsonbateman]

I love Approach of the Second Sun. For a fun fact - the first Approach you cast doesn't have to resolve, so depending on your deck makeup (or if you make your deck with this in mind) you can actually counter your own spell, putting it into your graveyard and making it easier to cast the second time. Hell, depending on your format you could even use Narset's Reversal, Unsubstantiate or something similar to return the spell to your hand, circumventing the graveyard and library entirely (in the Narset's case you'll also get another 7 life, if that's relevant).

[@benjamincardenas933]

I remember watching someone playing battle of wits at my local game store last month. It prerty much had 30 fetch lands, 40 shock lands all tutor in modern and every two card combo. It did really well against any non aggressive or blood moon decks. It always seem to pull out primal titan every other game which was usually enough to win the game in two or so turns.

[@Narthas95]

I think ,if you want to show to a friend the gameplay diversity of Magic,it's probably one of the best video to show.

[@MrPitki]

I discovered these top 10s recently and I became addicted. + Sub + like, thanks for your quality content.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Glad you like them!

[@aritzmartinezrodriguez1825]

I would have loved that at least you mention to mill since a full deck based on an alternate win con.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Mill isn't alternate though, since it is written into the game's rules. That said, I did a whole top 10 on mill already.

[@spagandhi]

I’d have to say that revel in riches is my favorite card, notably for commander where you can win without doing anything as your foes beat eachother

[@MarcusTiedemann]

I missed out on the early Mirror Universe, because it didn´t do damage but switcht live, and was able to do this in responce to going to zero life. It was played in "Weissman"-type Decks as one of 3-4 Winconditions. I remember Mirror Universe, Braingeysir, Serra Angel, Fireball/Kaerveks Torch being played in such Decks. First of his kind was the infamous Weißman-Deck or "The Deck" (google) featuring the power Nine, Tutor, Regroth, Wheel o. F. ... It was played with heavy Counterspells/Mana Drain and removal like Balance/Wrath of God, Swords to Plowshares, Disentchant.. In the Time the Lifeswitch was not considered Damage or Lose of Life. In my Eyes clearly an alternate win Condition.

[@goingrogue2236]

I enjoy happily ever after. And had a mono-blue deck that won with thassa's oracle as an alternate wincon...most people just scooped to that deck.

[@faestorm5525]

Now to put all of these in a single EDH deck.

[@Rancher.Rancher]

Except Battle of Wits as EDH wont allow more than 99 in the mainboard.

[@BlakeFaeMorton]

@@Rancher.Rancher It is sacrifice fodder to Vraska.

[@corydharma]

Need a 5 color commander, splash red and green. Could be done for sure. Would like to see a deck list

[@zyibesixdouze4863]

@@corydharma Golos as commander, it has 5-C identity and draws cards with free casting, if you have one mana of each colour plus two.

[@tonythepokemonguy751]

The en-kor line is my favorite forgotten gimmick

[@mrsoneji]

Near Death Experiencie is another good one. At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have exactly 1 life, you win the game.

[@TheKnightguard1]

My favorite alternate win condition is holding up Hidetsugu's Second Rite when they're at ten life, cast with mana generated by Boseiju, Who Shelters All.

[@seanwechsler6783]

Oh Vraska the Unseen. I ran her in my deathtouch deck. With Rogues Passage her assassin’s can’t be stopped.

[@snowboundwhale6860]

Surprised Infect wasn't included as an alt. win, though I guess you were going for specific cards and not a mechanic. Laboratory Maniac pairs decently with Mirror-Mad Phantasm if you don't care to use your deck, since it can pay 1U to shuffle itself back, then mill until you reach it and play it for free.

[@imperium3556]

Turns out a two-mana card which immediately wins the game when you play it is pretty good. Who would have thought!!?

[@remigusker6024]

My favorite flavor win. The Bolas + Elderspell combo.

[@c.jhamblin5759]

Top 10 cards that did well and then dropped of the face of the earth?

[@Devilish420]

I see plenty of ppl playing approach in EDH. It can be some busted shit in that format no doubt.

[@fidly4]

I think he was making a video request, not poking fun at the cards in this video.

[@Devilish420]

@@fidly4 oh, I didn't even consider that. My face is red, lol, BTW I could have sworn I've seen you comment on some MTG Muddstah vids too.

[@princequincy5421]

Hollow One

[@lorekeeper685]

Black lotus who usez that anyways

[@brianramirez2221]

Didn’t make the list but Felidar Sovereign is one of my win cons for my life gain deck my second being Aetherflux Reservoir 😛

[@3irc601]

I didn't realize how many alternate win conditions there are in standard until watching this video

[@DrakonLameth]

I've scooped casually on a Vraska, Golgari Queen, in Arena, because the same turn they popped her ulti, they put an unblock-able effect on a 1/1 deathtouch they were sporting as a deterrent for me from punching the gorgon. I conceded before the effect resolved on the stack.

[@TrumpLester]

I played against a handmade Maze's End deck several years ago. The only reason I gave the guy a run for his money was the precon Dimir deck I pulled from Gatecrash.

[@Lovuschka]

Sad that the Painter Combo isn't in it (Grindstone + Painter's Servant). There is a reason why your lands never should have a color themselves (they are colorless even if they produce colored mana, for those who are new to the game - Painter's Servant gives each card a color, and Grindstone mills two cards plus two more if they shared a color, plus two more if they shared a color ad infinitum - meaning that Grindstone will mill the entire deck if all cards share the same color).

[@Ceracio]

Upvoted just for having explained the combo/rules to new players.

[@Lovuschka]

@@Ceracio Thank you. If you have questions about it, feel free to ask.

[@Ceracio]

@@Lovuschka Oh no, I've been playing since Mirrodin block, and I'm a bit of a rules nazi, but as a person who often recommends MTG channels to new players, I appreciate that you thought to explain for them.

[@Jimmyjam-ey3vs]

Another one that I have a deck for is based off Revel In Riches, where if you have ten or more treasure tokens on your upkeep you win the game so I have a Rakdos pirate deck based off of it and I’ve won off it one time

[@keiharris332]

Mazes end is about to gain a ton of points with the new card that makes all land you own be considered basic land

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

I want to say Approach of the Second Sun but with it being the art of the episode, that seems too obvious. Edit: Jesus Christ, those cards have barely been out for a couple of months and already number 1, technically 1 and 2, huh, go figure.

[@filmocide2379]

RIP Happily Ever After players

[@nicholasmays4257]

All 6 of them

[@Breakerone92]

During XLN standard i played approach alongside sunbirds invocation, i won a few games like that

[@zyvan3179]

Alternate win cons are my favorite way to win. It's just so much more satisfying than hitting your opponent until they die and laboratory maniac is my favorite of these win cons.

[@Milkybetrayal]

Combo him with Thought Lash.

[@zyvan3179]

@@Milkybetrayal dont think that ones legal in modern which is the format I play him in. the only "reprinting" we got was for Magic Online which is not a modern legal set. I have him paired with Leveler and Mirror of Fate which essentially do the same thing but are legal

[@Finngrinder]

the existence of Oracle and LED singlehandedly broke Breach in Legacy to no one's surprise

[@Happy_Tunafish]

Pretty sure the most dangerous alternate Win Con is the scoop that you take after your friend has Path to Exile'd you like four times in one game

[@NorNamor]

Did you froget Infect? Or does that just count as a "normal" win condition?

[@shadowofseattle1338]

Vraska golgari queen's sacrifice effect is a *may* clause... Its pretty broken Also top ten infinite combos please 💜

[@Divinevert]

Was anyone else super confused when he got to #2 and you hadn't seen either Oracle or Jace? I was like "well this video is already outdated" until I saw them just sharing #1. Long term, Thassa's Oracle is going to run laps around the rest of this list, Jace included.

[@getalifeloser-y4s]

PSA: I started running an 80 card UW control Bo1 and Arena stopped matching me with burn

[@jarrod6331]

Very surprised phage didn't make the list. I would have thought it would have some points.

[@vario6492]

Number one is roping your opponent into rage quitting the arena 🤸

[@matigow]

Thasa's Oracle ALREADY has 24 points?! How is that even possible?

[@matigow]

@Najawin I mean. I already faced deck with the oracle, and they surely beated my butt, but how many events have been seen TBD released for it to have that many points so Early on

[@hobez64]

My favorite Alt Win Condition has to be Thassa's Oracle, I love fighting mill and just playing this to give them the middle finger

[@jackpabich763]

Of course someone as talented as Huey made Battle of Wits work... To be fair, it dominates my local FNM every now and then. Alternative wins with scapeshift and such. But still have lost on t5 to on an board Battle of Wits. It's fun

[@JPA55MOR3]

When up against approach a whole of two times, each time in order to defeat it I've had to resort to blowing up lands enough to where they can't cast it a second time.

[@aaronott3572]

I've got a soft spot for Phage. Multiple alternate win conditions, and plenty of ways to pull it off. Ultimately, though, I'm not surprised she didn't make the list. Too many things have to go right, and in pro play, that seems to be a big no-go.

[@MrZer093]

As someone who has played other games with more prevalent alternate win conditions, it’s a very slippery slope. Decks built around them tend to play a different game than most decks do and it be just not fun in the slightest if not done carefully. After all, when most decks are built assuming the opponent tries to win via the rules, it can be frustrating when that opponent doesn’t try to win that way but some way else.

[@dyciefisk2535]

For example Hedron Alignment plays like one person trying to solve a puzzle while the staving off the opponent, who acts as a clock and complication to said puzzle. At that point you might not be playing magic anymore.

[@a.velderrain8849]

Your deck therefore shouldn't generally be built to stop your opponent from winning, but rather to make sure YOU win. If you have a deck that can kill your opponent by Turn 4 it doesn't matter if they can complete some win con by Turn 5, you have the advantage.

[@jakeapplegate6642]

A. Velderrain Amen brother!

[@MrZer093]

It depends. I’m having Exodia flashbacks mostly and those decks stall like crazy by just saying nope to the opponent so often, especially early on. And I am very certain Magic has similar. I mean, Jace and Thassa’s Oracle seem to just like doing stall control until they can hit their win combo. I would assume they have ways to stall out turn 4 wins down to turn 5 or 6 or whatever they need to in order to wait out the game for their own win. Therein lies my point. They don’t need to attack, just play stall. So many decks are made assuming the opponent will actually attack at some point and these same stall decks will also just not let you play either. That’s why it’s frustrating.

[@a.velderrain8849]

@@MrZer093 Dimir Inverter, the top Pioneer deck right now and an alternate wincon deck using Thassa's Oracle and Jace, relies heavily on discard effects like Thoughtseize and creature removal like Drown in the Loch to stall the game out. Indestructible creatures (like the Theros gods or Gideon planeswalkers) can defeat that strategy fairly easily. Arclight Phoenix also seems like a good game plan against that, since making you discard the Phoenix actually helps you out, the deck has tons of redundancy, and Phoenix comes back from being removed way too easily. The more the deck leans in on stall strategies, the less consistently it can get the wincon, and the more turns you typically get to try and win. So decks like Inverter have to prioritize getting a Turn 4 Inverter into Turn 5 Jace or Oracle for the win, and have less slots dedicated to making sure they stop you.

[@shuboy05]

What about Azor's Elocutors? It's a talk for five turns to win card.

[@Devilish420]

Kinda surprised that Felidar Sovereign didn't make this list, he's basically Test of Endurance as a creature, on top of being decently beefy in power and defense and having vigilance and lifelink. He can easily be tutored for with Wild Pair, a green enchantment with a CMC of 6 (2 green, 2 colorless)that makes it so whenever you cast a creature from your hand and it enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a creature with the same total of power and toughness added up (example: you play avenger of zendikar 5/5, wild pair triggers and you tutor for felidar which is a 4/6 but both of those equal up to 10).

[@darkmatter32x]

Problem is, it requires a lot of mana to cast, in addition it is a creature, not so hard remove on the board. It good in commander though.

[@Devilish420]

@@darkmatter32x Well to be fair, enchantments aren't all that hard to remove either. Also, if you have green in your colors you can legit pull it off but yea it mainly is a commander combo though. I just got him for a win con for my Abzan colored Angel token generator deck that has wild pair in it and I also have privileged position and Avacyn Angel of Hope in it too for that indestructible/hexproof double whammy.

[@TheSquareOnes]

Not knowing the competitive history of either card, I'd assume it has to do with the fact that Test of Endurance had the benefit of existing at a time when it was able to be somewhat successful whereas Felidar Sovereign presumably hasn't been. He said that the Test of Endurance deck that earned the points quickly fell away and the card hasn't made a comeback since, so it could just be that "gain a bunch of life to win the game" is on longer an effect that is likely to gain points in any format even if they print it on cards that you believe to be better than what came before. So if Felidar Sovereign were printed first maybe it would be on the list instead, but it wasn't so it isn't and now neither card is doing much.

[@Kasigi03]

Better strategies than the ones offered, Door to Nothingness + Composite Golem, Laboratory Maniac + Leveler (why cast something that costs 12 mana ?!)

[@DCking14682]

I lost to maze’s end and it was one of the most frustrating games I’ve ever played in my life

[@venkelos9]

Well, sorry Phage. We knew you wouldn't touch this list, but still I hoped. A couple of creatures I hoped to see, too, like Fedidar Sovereign, and Azorius Elocutors, but I suppose they just haven't been competitive enough, over time. Still, as someone who never builds aggressive decks, and longs to find an alternate win I can actually win with, the list was fun. Just not a big fan of milling myself to oblivion.

[@crabobserver]

PERSON W/ LAB MANIAC: i mill myself for 8, my library is now 0. ME, AN INTILECTUAL: i bolt your lab maniac.

[@crabobserver]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[@crabobserver]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha well yeah,

[@crabobserver]

I hate people who like Their own comments

[@crabobserver]

Yeah, me too.

[@crabobserver]

And those who comment their comments.

[@andyspendlove1019]

Wow, is this the quickest that a card (Thassa's Oracle) has reached the number 1 spot in a category?

[@LordScrambles]

It's soooooooo busted.

[@irou95]

Revel in riches control too op, didn't even make the list

[@zanderpxl581]

unplayable, dies to nægate

[@newtreesmell7338]

loses to negate :(

[@jakeapplegate6642]

If this was the best or most played alt wincons in commander, I think the list might be a little different. Some are just too clunky for standard or modern.

[@nicholasmays4257]

But it doesn’t even do anything!

[@Jimmyjam-ey3vs]

I’ve won with it twice in my Rakdos Pirate deck

[@jaredt2590]

Laboratory Maniac + Mana Severance + Grindstone.

[@Jacois]

Battle of Wits should be interesting in Arena if it ever becomes standard legal.

[@jaredt2590]

That first vraska's insane, just sacrifice 3 lands.

[@odstp1tv1pr37]

My alternate win condition is to “sacrifice enraged battle ox and five dollars to special summon blue eyes white dragon” you can never beat this instant win at any pro tournament.

[@eac-ox2ly]

Love Approach of The Second Sun

[@Wafflelover344]

He said Vraska Unseen's other ability exiles a nonland card says on the card Destroy

[@aaron9797]

i made a Revel in Riches deck i think i won with Approach of the Second Sun and Cruel Reality the most

[@hey_byte_me2497]

I've got a friend building an "I win the game" tribal in edh and it's kinda disgusting the kind of combos he's running. Phage+fractured identity, hive mind + all the pacts, and so forth. I don't look forward to helping him playtest it

[@ulrichs.3228]

Hmm, poison counters seem to be a base rule now, so the generating card doesn't have to provide the rule? (Fond memories of a Scry? Inquest? article of way back when, of people playing with all the cards. Like, literally one of every card that existed at that time. Starting at 100 life and forgetting about poison counters.)

[@Happy_Tunafish]

RIP My boi Hedron Alignment T_T

[@ghostofkrows]

Ha Ha Ha. I laugh because while watching this I forgot this was a draft channel and thought I had started watching an Edh video with the cards we are discussing.

[@MJVelascoSalvador]

Wait.. how does lab maniac work with ad naus? Ad Naus doesn't say "draw a card"...

[@AidanWR]

You said that Vraska's downtick exiles a permanent and 7:52, but it only destroys

[@GrendelNin]

#1 The Big Cheese Stands Alone.

[@gregconen]

You don't outright contradict this, but your wording might make it unclear that you don't have to sacrifice a permanent to use Vraska, Golgari Queen's +2. Of course, many decks that play her want to take advantage of it, but even when they can't they can still gain 2 loyalty per turn.

[@kazuallykunfuzed]

Simic Ascendancy and Darksteel Reactor 👈🏻👈🏻😎

[@yepperdeedooda]

The best is illusions of grandeur.

[@dyciefisk2535]

Doesn't qualify for this list on wording, but a great gut shot in Zedruu

[@raydelmartinez2905]

Wow two new cards as # 1, impressive .

[@talentlessbird3572]

I have approach in a narset, to just double cast it :))

[@camfunme]

So what about Poison cards?

[@KingToll]

Time to assemble Exodia!

[@tooltechtv6130]

Yes the unseen !!

[@yujiro424]

I believe Glistener Elf/Blighted Agent should be on this list.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Just play a Phage the Untouchable and for the lulz use the Fractured Identity on her, doesn't say "you win the game" but it is fun as hell.

[@khrisbell548]

Fractured identity also works with demonic pact after choosing the third option and immortal coil with g/y exile. So much fun. I love fractured identity

[@gardeford]

surprised to see felidar sovereign not there at all.

[@davidrosenberg9615]

What about Hive Mind?

[@beverlysaylor1115]

Disagree with your list criteria for this one! Jace the mind sculptor or mind slaver lock seems to be legit alternate win cons to me as well

[@NizzahonMagic]

Then any combo at all would have to be considered.

[@DegaGray]

battle of wits decks are even more liable with theros beyond death :D

[@LadyBernkastel92]

Poor Phage... Printed to early to be able to get away with just being an expensive powerful card, they had to add an untenable downside to you...

[@shermanmartin8278]

with doubling season the ultimate is instant

[@talentlessbird3572]

Field of ruin, against mazes end

[@VisionsDark]

I can already taste the salty tears.

[@christophertolliver8395]

What about felidar sovereign?

[@NizzahonMagic]

No points