MTG Top 10: Deathtouch | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 339

[@NizzahonMagic]

A lot of people have asked about Ice-Fang Coatl, so here is its point total: 16.

[@potato_cm]

Surprising that flash baleful strix hasnt gained enough points yet

[@NizzahonMagic]

@@thomascollins5622 ...Did you not actually watch the video? Might want to again.

[@thomascollins5622]

How is Vampire Nighthawk not on this list still? It's got 70 GPs, FFS! I think you must have made some sort of calculation error

[@thomascollins5622]

@@NizzahonMagic I did watch it, and I distinctly recall a big ol' 70 in the GP slot.

[@NizzahonMagic]

@@thomascollins5622 Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, that number is incorrect. The total score is right.

[@MasidanYT]

"It has deathtouch in there SOMEWHERE" yeah, that's Questing Beast summarized.

[@strawhataddison]

It takes the vanilla test and just destroys it.

[@nickbalmes6640]

Questing Beast has deathtouch? I didn't know that! 🤣

[@NorNamor]

@@nickbalmes6640 Best part is when you find yourself in a boardstate where "creaturedamage cannot be preventet" line on questing beast becomes relevant. I swear games have been won or lost due to at least one player haveing no idea that line is on there.

[@Argetbrisingr101]

@@NorNamor You read it and think, "oh, it stops fogs." Until you find out the hard way it breaks protection D:

[@NorNamor]

@@Argetbrisingr101 yep.. it does all kinds of shit :P

[@joakimandersson7769]

It's hilarious how when Vampire Nighthawk came out, we considered that to be keyword soup, and the card was so crazy it made me make a vampire deck that took me all the way to nationals (back when we had those), basically entirely on the back of that card. Now, I see a card like that just pales in comparison to the sheer amount of WORDS on something like Questing Beast. Crazy times we live in.

[@oafkad]

Nighthawk couldn't even block Questing Beast lol.

[@bluepomegranate]

And then there's Nighthawk Scavenger, which is just Vampire Nighthawk but way better... yeah. Times have changed, that's for sure.

[@streetpeter3210]

@@bluepomegranate a weird concoction of Goyf and Nighthawk

[@God-ch8lq]

@@rowannagy3033 not really, while creatures did get stronger, noncreature spells have gotten wayyy weaker compared to pre-FIRE design also, a lot of rogues decks (including mine) played scavenger, he is lit af (tho later variants went for a more mill-oriented lurrus build, but i saw it as boring) he was fairly hard to remove in post-omnath-ban zendikar rising, especially when backed up with countermagic like drown in the loch

[@dragonhawk9554]

One idea for a video I thought would be interesting. Top 10 cards that were never standard legal. I know that list may not be large but it would be interesting to see what cards from commander sets and side products would make that list.

[@stonechewer1227]

That would be neat

[@NizzahonMagic]

I have done it more or less. Look for top 10 supplemental set cards

[@oliverwilson11]

Aka top 10 BS fake cards

[@jonathantillian6528]

@@oliverwilson11 Oh there's nothing fake about them. Hogaak and Urza are very real and very relevant in non-Standard formats (until banned).

[@oliverwilson11]

@@jonathantillian6528 Those two cards are great examples of why printing cards outside of Standard-legal sets is bad for non-Standard formats. When they started making black bordered non-reprint sets that aren't legal in Standard that was the start of bringing quasirotation to every formerly non-rotating format

[@nyft3352]

I was today's years old when I found out QB also denies damage prevention... I know it's a ruletext soup but good lord, every time I read it I find new effects! By that logic next week it should do something like draw a card on ETB or destroy artifacts.

[@oafkad]

I thought it only did it for itself. I've used it wrong this entire time.

[@nyft3352]

@@oafkad See?? Everytime you see it it say something even more broken! Its MTG's own Mandela Effect of sorts.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

I actually was hit with a Deathtouch effect quite recently. Honestly, I think creatures are just weak, because I barely felt a thing. But maybe if I mail lightly played copies of Wurmcoil Engine to Nizzahon he'll do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!"

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

@@horrorspirit Worry note, I'm a bloke.

[@nickbalmes6640]

I also want a Wurmcoil Engine, specifically the Kaladesh Masterpiece version :) Though what we really want is the Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9) from Dr. Nizzahon :)

[@jamesgratz4771]

@@nickbalmes6640 wurmcoil engine is a great card and can go into a lot of Decks

[@taz4968]

Vampire Nighthawk has 70gp top 8s but only 27 points lol.

[@zga042]

yeah doesn't that contradict the scoring system

[@bensachs1855]

13 PT/MC top 8s would be 26 points, so I’m guessing this was supposed to say 1 GP top 8 for 1 more point to make 27 total. How a card manages way more success in top level events vs grand prixs, I just don’t know.

[@demilembias2527]

The dude made a mistake that I'm sure he knows now, shut up and watch the video or not, the dude is a history professor for his day job so its amazing he even makes these at all.

[@mattblom3990]

Nighthawk fell off? Wow, that card was the shit.

[@shelbyramin1376]

Gifted aetherborn and vampire of the dire moon effectively made nighthawk obsolete. Nocturnis gives them flying and they are cheaper to play. He will always be in our hearts though.

[@thomascollins5622]

It had 70 GPs, though. 70! Something funky happened with the score

[@Hundo_Mo]

Im loving these updated lists

[@user-fd2co5xr7k]

I think it’s neat that in last week’s top 10 over disenchant effects, you covered rec sage and noted that he was in maverick decks (which i just found out about), and now garruk relentless, who was also in maverick decks, makes an appearance

[@akravos]

Can you revist Knights? I'd really like to see how that list has changed since Eldraine.

[@mutedonkey8361]

Still want to build my knight edh lol

[@n.m5253]

Hmm, so fervent champion, murderous rider and embereth shieldbreaker seem like serious contenders. Maybe even order of midnight

[@thomaspalmer2828]

Gonti's +26 is a different shade of green than normal. This is bothering me.

[@pauljimerson8218]

Its ok he took your top 4 green cards

[@andrewsparkes8829]

@@pauljimerson8218 Good. Fuck Temur Energy!

[@hyoroemongaming569]

Dear Gonti...

[@scottdahneke1031]

I love these lists.

[@mbarker_lng]

Questing beast is so laughably OP it makes you wonder if they even have a QA/R+D dept anymore. You'd think someone, somewhere would have said 'Isnt that a bit much for 4 mana?' I know the trolls will be along to tell me how you can just do X or Y to it because it lacks hexproof. Yeah, sure.

[@motschmann921]

I love Baleful Strix. I hope for a Reprint in STRIXhaven, so that it's finally gonna be Modern-Legal. Deathtouch is a great keyword ability. Always looking forward for your top 10s every Week! Great video-format.

[@shikabaneconga]

You should do a top 10 cards to give to your opponent, i'm building an Inniaz deck hehe

[@Milkybetrayal]

Thought Lash is an interesting card to give your opponent

[@thomascollins5622]

Inniaz instead of Zedruu or Blim?

[@brianbrennan6344]

Was Ice-fang Coatl not considered? I know it doesn't always have deathtouch but I feel like its dominance in Modern and Legacy means it would beat some of these cards

[@eirh]

if snow decks stay as good as they are, I imagine it'll get there eventually, but never being standard legal means it gains points much slower.

[@catoticneutral]

I feel like if Questing beast only had Vigilance, deathtouch, and haste it'd still be very popular in aggro green.

[@Zeet1]

These videos are really fun when you compared it to previous lists. Surprised rogues didn’t make it

[@ManlyBog6448]

Can you do a top win condition list? Things that say "you win the game" or along those lines?

[@mattfox6288]

he did this one just about a year ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3XYgpyKoJJorJY

[@ManlyBog6448]

Oh I'm dumb never mind you already did one it it is just hard to find in the Playlist lol

[@shikabaneconga]

alternate win condition

[@Milkybetrayal]

Amulet of Quoz. If it wasn't for ante, it was a win/lose at a flip of the coin. Demonic attorney was a you win, but ante again shot it down

[@tron_the7the9]

@@Milkybetrayal I believe its ante

[@CaptainWwowW]

Anybody else think the art on Deathmist Raptor looks janky

[@zamm4519]

I'm semi surprised that icefang coatl didn't find its way onto the list.

[@Graatand]

I’m _very_ surprised. My best guess is that Nizzahon disqualified it for its deathtouch being conditional?

[@NorNamor]

@@Graatand No, its qualified. The issue is when a card is not standard legal it accumalates points much much slower. Basicly there is more standard tournements than there are tournamets of all the non-rotating formats combined.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Nope, it has very few points

[@dendostar5436]

Wow this is actually really exciting!

[@jfb-]

Maybe Binding the Old Gods will make a future version of this list despite very rarely being used for its deathtouch effect

[@DelValle144]

Sheoldred, the Apocalypse is probably the new #1.

[@TheyCallHimPogo]

I looked all the top 10s and haven't seem one for top 10 ritual effects. I mean cards like dark ritual, seething song etc. Spells that ramp you mana.

[@chickenwyngs3646]

Hey Nizzahon! I love your channel, and really enjoyed your history of the ban list series. Do you think you could make a similar series about the Commander ban list? Keep making great content!

[@jakethesnake5679]

Hell yea my boy gonti made the list

[@adancein]

Questing Beast would still be an absolute bomb for 6 mana.

[@MrAsus4870]

Nope it would not, if it is so good why doesn't everybody play it?

[@adancein]

@@MrAsus4870 15$ card and mythic rare. Also green. Your argument is weird btw, why doesn't 'everybody' play platinum angel? MTG isn't that bad yet in terms of (non-)diversity.

[@MrAsus4870]

@@adancein because it is also normal card? And I mean arena, you play paper magic during corona? Congratz

[@yohanesparuntu4980]

A 4/4 w all that ability for 6 mana would be okay. A bomb ? Nope.

[@aleksandarbradaric4925]

I don't' understand Garuk veil cursed, why doesn't he also have counters?

[@NizzahonMagic]

He does have counters, when he transforms he has loyalty counters equal to the ones he had when he transformed.

[@davidminor4213]

Waitaminute, Acidic Slime has 50 points. Why wasn't it on your last top 10 (disenchant)? Were you restricting that list for artifact and enchantment only?

[@09Dragonite]

I would think so, Acidic Slime is a lot more than a simple Disenchant effect in most cases since it is almost always a 2 for 1 type of spell that has more flexibility than most Disenchants.

[@davidminor4213]

@@09Dragonite ya, probably

[@tobiascooper8800]

lol Gandhi lord of luxury good stuff

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

What else could it be except wurmcoil again?

[@arnaudsider9547]

Stinkweed imp : gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=193870 This puppy is quite an interesting piece of politics in multiplayer against those aggressive flyer decks, the triple threat of killing, say, a pesky angel and dredging 5 and getting back the blocker anyways... makes you such a worst target than your opponents.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Doesn't have Deathtouch.

[@finn4019]

April 1st suggestion: Top 6 basic lands.

[@man-qw2xj]

Gandhi, Lord of Luxury

[@joonasjarnvall832]

How far was ice fang coatl from list?

[@NizzahonMagic]

Very very far

[@oafkad]

If strix isn't back for strixhaven I'll be...very surprised.

[@NizzahonMagic]

It won't be. Not that strix, anyway. Strix is just a mythological owl though.

[@oafkad]

@@NizzahonMagic Ooh! The game is on! I feel like it would fit in nicely with the current power level. And it draws a card which all creatures are want to do now.

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Deathmist Raptor, ah yes another standard strong card being destroyed over time (including the card price).

[@narutolover1286]

I wonder if the infect casting death toucher is here (just started the video)

[@narutolover1286]

Soon as you said questing beast I knew this hadn't happen

[@SilentBudgie]

You should do top 10 battlecry minions.

[@fanaticalproductions9661]

Can you do an upgraded top ten gods video soon?

[@NizzahonMagic]

No reason to yet. Nothing has changed.

[@_pj7346]

How close was Ice-fang Coatl?

[@Milkybetrayal]

Soo close it flew over the list

[@NizzahonMagic]

Nowhere remotely close

[@justinjones671]

What about plague engineer?

[@Vario69]

Questing Beast should have never be given haste... Fkn pile of abilities, and it's a 4/4 for 4 on top of all that... Ludicrous

[@VoodooDuck]

It shouldn't have got vigilance

[@Vario69]

@@VoodooDuck at least vigilance is kinda green's thing, right after white. Haste on the other hand...

[@oliverwilson11]

Wizards is blatantly just making mythics much more powerful to get more money and a significant proportion of players actually encourage this because they have a gambling problem and they want to open expensive cards in packs. When they make a bad Mythic you actually see people complaining about the game not being more expensive

[@VoodooDuck]

@@oliverwilson11 I think they should just step back in Powerlevel and return masterpieces for those players. Problem solved

[@joshelderkin9592]

Rip my baby the nighthawk

[@mutedonkey8361]

Top 10 cards to be unbanned might be neat.

[@irou95]

Acidic slime would have no chance in 2021 standard

[@jasonbailey9302]

Finn the Fangbearer

[@masonh3034]

Damn the best gone

[@zemgad]

Curious to see where knight of the ebon legion would place on this list if it were considered

[@NizzahonMagic]

It was considered. It didn't make it.

[@chandlerf3131]

I ate qdoba now my farts have deathtouch

[@levelhumor2nd790]

Your farts are an extension of you; YOU have deathtouch, my friend.

[@johngleeman8347]

Block of Text Beast's lack of flavor text is the most irritating part about it to me.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

it has three heads, three keywords, and three extra abilities. okay. vigilance, sure, it looks like it can lash out without lowering its guard, and it's this majestic-in-the-fantasy-sense thing and those things tend to get vigilance. i guess it can be linked to the head it always at ease. haste? that awkward thing? i mean, i guess one of those heads can whip itself at something _really_ fast or something, but that just gives me a goofy mental image. deathtouch ... ? one of those fuzzballs is venomous? i mean, it also has this wicked-looking tail that looks like it absolutely _could_ inject something nasty into you, but what does that leave poor third head geoffery? well, whatever, i guess it's still linked to the design. then there's the intimidate-style effect, which, uh, sure i'd be pretty freaked out if something like that was bobbleheading over towards me, but that's not really tied to a specific head. maybe it's the striking head or something. damage prevention prevention? um. i know magic slaps silly arbitrary abilities on creatures fairly often, but why would you slap _this_ many abilities on this thing if you couldn't even work it into the design. i mean, i guess a decent amount of damage prevention is abstracted as medicine and maybe its tail venom can cause festering wounds that interfere with healing, so whatever. then, like, dealing damage to an extra target? not _two_ extra targets, so all of its heads can get into the fun? i mean i get that that would be ridiculous from a balance perspective, but this thing is already _so_ silly. do you just have a grudge against poor little geoffery, wizards? did he say something to wound your pride, and now you've issued a company blacklist against him? i hope that at least his brothers comfort him as they sit in the library, but considering how much they're living it up with all those abilities you actually gave them, they probably don't even notice poor forsaken geoffery

[@nonameimpotantlive9233]

How aren't Master of cruelties on the lost :0 that's card is so mean

[@nyft3352]

Because it never saw enough professional play if any.

[@nonameimpotantlive9233]

@@nyft3352 just don't see how ppl can't abuse it somehow

[@nyft3352]

@@nonameimpotantlive9233 I believe thats because there are better creatures to abuse overall. Cheating creatures into play? any huge eldrazi works, ramping into it? Rakdos is definetly not suited for ramp but at CMC6 there is stuff like Primeval Titan or Wurmcoil Engine... In other words, the card is nasty but only in EDH tables.

[@nonameimpotantlive9233]

@@nyft3352 well i se it now thanks to clear would be a cool card tho

[@TheGemoChamp]

I try and take a shot every time a card isn’t a joke and I get pretty hammered. No joke.

[@LunarWingCloud]

Acidic Slime is my fren EDIT: Wurmcoil Engine is also fren

[@bathsaltcircus9630]

🎉🎉🎉😊

[@magictheunwrappening8686]

Hi

[@nickniehaus1763]

Nah you’re Nizzuh-Hawn

[@nicho4381]

Noice

[@thesamuraiman]

Idk how far in advance you plan these vids, but with that new d.touch/poison Legend, I would have waited to see his impact on d.touch viability.

[@oliverwilson11]

It's ok the impact will almost certainly be zero

[@mark1A100]

Probably very close to zero the issue with using him for death touch tribal is that he assigns a flat poison count per hit and if he's removed from the battlefield and you don't have other infect creatures will then you've gone back to just dealing damage the normal way

[@ApexZer0]

All those inactive cards

[@naomicoffman1315]

Hey, just a heads-up - most don't identify with any gender and use they/them pronouns, and I believe that includes Gonti!

[@RandyPerrott]

Top ten infect

[@volk551]

Turn 3 for wurmcoil ha I can get it out on turn 2

[@LoveStrangeDr]

9th comment! Yay

[@HienNguyenHMN]

Please use they/them pronouns for Gonti and other (named) aetherborn from Kaladesh.

[@NizzahonMagic]

I knew that was true for Yahenni, didn't realize it was the pronoun for all aetherborn. Will do better in the future!

[@Fresh_Pants]

Nizzahon how could you!!?!