MTG Top 10: Homelands | The BEST Cards in Magic's WORST Set | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 272

[@NizzahonMagic]

Many of you are asking whether Homelands is worse than Fallen Empires, so I thought I would answer that here: Yes, it is worse. Fallen Empires has two fairly iconic cards that have been heavily played in multiple formats: Hymn to Tourach and High Tide, both of which have more points than anything on this list. Additionally, there are many other cards in the set with 5 or more points including, but not limited to: Order of Leitbur, Order of the Ebon Hand, Icatian Javelineer, the sacrifice land cycle, Goblin Grenade. Those are the ones I know about without going deep on the research, which would likely reveal even more.

[@NizzahonMagic]

@Luke Steiner How is it worse? I think I did a good job laying out why it isn't.

[@shuboy05]

Goblin Grenade might be one of the cheapest 5 damage sorceries in the entire history of the game. Sure you still need to sac a goblin but goblins are also cheap.

[@TheMajesticYak0]

As a player from those days, I knew Fallen Empires wasn't going to be on the bottom. Hymn to Tourach is probably the most powerful and efficient discard spell ever printed. It made black a beast with Dark Ritual, Hypnotic Specter, and Necropotence (and Sinkhole). Games could end before they started. The Orders were also super powerful in black or white aggro and Goblin Grenade was an absolute (ahem) bomb. I think Fallen Empires gets a bad rap because the overall power level was so far down from Legends and lots of cards were awful. Plus it was so heavily overprinted that cards from the set would never see any real value because they were always so plentiful.

[@SR-di7ox]

Although FE was a terrible set, it was not without it's good cards. Many of which only started seeing play after other cards were printed. Part of the reason why FE is considered a horrible set is the massive print runs and no "rare" cards. You can still get boxes of FE for a reasonable price, even though it's over 20 years old, that's how much the set was printed...

[@shuboy05]

@@SR-di7ox The value of FE is especially bad for such an old set. Rainbow Vale is the most expensive card in the set at roughly $2.50!

[@agentofashcroft]

My favorite homelands card is apocalypse chime, which destroys all cards from the homelands expansion, which nobody plays

[@tmakalpha1]

My Koskun Falls and Ihsan's Shade in monoblack are sad

[@evankouba3211]

nobody plays it because nobody plays homelands cards.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Ahhh, explosion hosers. What a fucking disaster of a series.

[@shuboy05]

I recently bought the Homelands comic off eBay. Since the comic had a free Homelands card in it (Apocalypse Chime, Baron Sengir, or Feroz's Ban), I opened it and found the Chime. Well, I was hoping for the Baron but the Chime is such a funny card I'll just accept it....

[@wolfwing1]

hey I loved memory lapse it was a real FU card, play that with mungdungu's and other cards that make your opponent pay to get a card out then make him redoo it next turn, especially if it's a mediocre card as you now prevent them from potentially getting a better card.

[@shuboy05]

Fun Fact: That is Kaja Foglio as Autumn Williow. Margaret Organ-Keen had her model for that card.

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

👍

[@hermodnitter3902]

Cool, that is some sweet info, Kaja is probably my favorite artist in the whole game! And I use Autumn Willow as a "supporting token" for my Soraya the Falconer EDH deck, since she is cited for the flavor text on Soraya.

[@shuboy05]

@@hermodnitter3902 My favorite art by Kaja is either Swords to Plowshares (from Ice Age) or Rainbow Vale. It's too bad the Foglios only drew cards from the first five years of Magic history. Most new players are probably unfamiliar with their art.

[@Chace957]

If you like their art, the do a great webcomic called Girl Genius

[@hermodnitter3902]

@@shuboy05 Yeah, StP from Ice and Rainbow Vale are both amazing, and of course this StP is in my Soraya Birds deck due to the doves coming out of the sword ;) There is so much great art, so I can't even think of a specific favorite, but perhaps the combined panorama of Trade Caravan, just because it is so utterly crazy. I merged the two versions, just tell me if you want to see it, and I could provide a sharable link :)

[@jamesperez1810]

I’d bf interested in a “Standard” top 10. Cards that got the most points in standard formats, excluding points obtained in formats other than standard.

[@DopeyDragonz]

Top 10 Best of Fallen Empires and Top 10 Best of Prophecy would be fun to see.

[@TheMajesticYak0]

I absolutely vote for a Fallen Empires top 10.

[@RainbowblitzFTW]

Let's do all the commonly maligned sets. Top 10 saviors of kamigawa, top 10 boz, top 10 dragons maze

[@stevesmith5883]

@@RainbowblitzFTW Is BOZ BFC ((Battle For Zendikar?) or something else that I've forgotten about? I know it was hated but personally it was unironically one of my fav recent sets. I am heavily biased however as Eldrazi are my favourite creature type, and my Eldrazi ramp deck I made in BFZ standard was my first "proper" deck I built due to just having got a job for the first time and having some money to buy cards.

[@generic_sauce]

Oh yeah, prophecy!

[@nickhughes8179]

Best of Prophecy?? Rhystic Study, Rhystic Tutor, Desolation Angel and Giant, Avatar of Woe, Keldon Firebombers, and maybe Glittering Lynx.

[@BrotherAlpha]

Do this for Fallen Empires. That set had some of the worst rares, but some busted commons.

[@marcmarc1967]

Hymn, Goblin Grenade, High Tide, that's about it.

[@marciodemeo4731]

There are quiet a few cards from FE that saw play: hymn to tourach, high tide, order of ebon hand, order of leitbur, goblin grenade, orgg, aeolipile, sac lands.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Ahhhh yes. Homelands. I honestly really hope we can go back to Homelands some time. The story was amazing, even if the cards were total rubbish. And since Merchant Scroll has play in Vintage, I can hereby say that one of my favourite plains *DEMANDS YOU DO "TOP 10 VINTAGE CARDS (MINUS POWER 9)!"*

[@shuboy05]

@Najawin I think we can forgive Homelands because the game was still young at the time.

[@ethanlampe5820]

shuboy05 hot take but there is no way In hell that homelands is worse than fallen empires, at best their on the same level

[@franzise3605]

@@ethanlampe5820 Nah, FE was pretty lousy but at least it had more than three good cards. Hymn to Tourach, Goblin Grenade, Order of Leitbur/Ebon Hand, Aeolipile, High Tide, etc.

[@jonathantillian6528]

I would love a return to Ulgrotha (Homelands plane), especially with all the design space they opened up with the devoid and waste type cards. For those who don't know, Ulgotha was basically destroyed by the Apocalypse Chime making the place a big unlivable crater; be neat to see what's crawling around the Dead Zone.

[@ethanlampe5820]

Jonathan Copperfall to be honest I would like to see a story that’s timeshifted forward, as the plane has rebuilt from the chime, I mean we did see a return to a repaired dominaria

[@Hawkster52]

Tournament Organizer: "You must play cards from all the expansions" Players: "Uh..." *Essentially grabs random cards to play*

[@matthewgagnon9426]

Not only was Ihsan's Shade immune to Swords to Plowshares, it was also immune to almost all of the Black removal that almost always had a condition of only being able to destroy non-Black creatures, and 5 toughness was enough that Red would need to invest a fair bit of effort to kill.

[@ArabicNameGuy]

seeing the old card frame, old art styles, and old power level make me heartsick for old times o tempera! o mures!

[@NizzahonMagic]

Nice one Cicero.

[@Bulhakas]

Homelands art blows modern art out of the water and the set also had great flavour.

[@CarbonSpire]

While I recognize it's primarily nostalgia, I love Homelands! It was the most affordable booster when I was a poor child trying to play magic! (P. S. My decks were crap!)

[@squee147]

I was in the same boat. Never occurred to kid me that there might be a reason homelands was so cheap. I just wanted more cards.

[@TheJacklikesvideos]

the art was incredible so i enjoyed opening packs even if the cards didn't seem playable. $2.50 at my local store. i wish the triland cycle was improved.

[@boisvertblues]

“I’m only gonna ask you one more time, what happened at pro tour, New York, 1996”

[@sephirothsadvent]

*sweats in Serra Angel*

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

Great list and good to see that Homelands has value as a set in its own way. Btw, I think what makes Truce slightly playable is the fact that it is an instant. Merchant Scroll and blue power is just a killer 😱

[@faerie7dragon]

I still got a Ihsan's Shade around here, in the few old cards, that stayed in my boxes over a decade, fun to see it here.

[@raizarslaxterhaha]

Man i have so much luck to start playing MTG in 1994 and see all these cards. Now many of them, specially creatures, seem very bad, but 1996 you put one Isan Shade on the field and it was a monster

[@stigmaoftherose]

Oh wow truce is going in my edh hug deck I had no idea it was a card.

[@HaydenX]

I'm always happy to see a set picked on other than any of the sets from my favorite block (Masques). It's often Prophecy that gets beaten with this particular stick. I will say that I expected Merchant Scroll at number 1 for this list and I completely forgot Serrated Arrows even existed.

[@OrbGoblin]

Y'know I feel this. When this set came out, I think I was maybe 15. I'd been saving my allowance, and it was the first set I bought a box of :(

[@sammysammyson]

A tragic tale

[@MatheusGomes-ej3mr]

something similar happened to me, i was around that age by the time kamigawa was released and spent a whole lot of money on it, instead of buying mirrodin block products.

[@astuteanansi4935]

Autumn Willow is not only proto-Shroud, but also proto-Hexproof! Ihsan's Shade may seem weak nowadays, but I can see how he could've once been powerful. His 5/5 body put him within the upper tier of creatures back in these days, at least creatures without severe drawbacks. On top of his immunity to white removal, being black made him immune to a lot of black removal as well (Terror, Dark Banishing), and his toughness made him resistant to red removal staples such as Lightning Bolt. Memory Lapse, ironically, is one card that must have seemed more on the underwhelming side back in the days when two-mana hard counterspells with no drawbacks, such as literally Counterspell, were a thing. Nowadays a hard "counter target spell" is usually no less than 3 mana (Cancel).

[@brianwalters8641]

Fallen Empires, Ice Age, Homelands...that was the time I first got into Magic.

[@marcmarc1967]

You, me, and 20 million other people.

[@jeffreynowak8866]

Started at legends quit at homelands.

[@אוריאיזנברג-ס4ו]

Poor, poor soul

[@marcmarc1967]

It's funny that with all those players, it took until last year till Fallen Empires finally sold out.

[@Ryokamen]

Fairly surprised merchant scroll hasn't over taken the arrows considering its modern legal as well. I believe storm plays it on occasion too. Thats what I like about these videos, every now and that something will throw you for a loop lol

[@zackestin1368]

Late comment here, but it’s because modern storm doesn’t really play anything to search for with it since gifts was banned. And when gifts was legal it was often rough to spend extra mana getting to it.

[@NDHFilms]

Let’s do this. EDIT: Nizzahon is smart to explain his ranking system in each video. If you’re a longtime watcher, or a first-time viewer, everyone is up to speed. I really like the variety of art styles in these older sets.

[@nicholasvandonkersgoed3758]

I find Memory Lapse more fun than most other counterspells since it gives you complete information about your opponent's next draw. You can also use various topdeck-matters cards to have fun with it. Super strong.

[@holotori_senior_admin_teno]

Ah, Homelands. One of only two sets I ever fully collected alongside Fallen Empires. Makes me feel so nostalgic with you doing this. Thank you.

[@computersocsci]

The research you did for this video made it very interesting!

[@Lonewanderer6666]

Fallen Empire: I'm the worse set in MTG Homeland: Hold my deck box.

[@wrathanet]

There’s just something inherently funny about the phrase “Spectral Bears”

[@badlvckinc]

Hey dude, I really appreciate this content! It would be amazing to see the top 10 common cards But first fulfill the top 10 vintage minus power 9 dude's request, he's been waiting for much longer than me

[@Yoshideking]

Love the bears, I used them on my Tradewind rider/Awakening deck. Obviously non competitive Magic, but awesome none the less.

[@ppellacani]

Serrated arrows is still played in pauper! If someday this format becomes premier event, it will gain points.

[@nikk0k]

Wall of Kelp is a fun card, mostly in EDH Arcades Wall Tribal decks. Didgeridoo is also fun in EDH Minotaur Tribal decks. Koskun Falls is a weird Black Ghostly Prison Baron Sengir can give itself +2/+2 counters, and that's cool.

[@derhasslichebetrachter874]

Love and play many of the homeless cards. I missed Jovens Ferrets. Super green 1 drop.

[@cax1175]

Does prophecy have any cards restricted in Vintage?

[@captainshiner42]

Erron, The Relentless always looked a little like Jaco Pastorius to me.

[@kenthehobo]

Ha! That's right!

[@hotdogwater7037]

we might be the only 3 people on the planet that would get that cross-reference

[@weirdproq]

Fun fact: Serrated Arrows also sees play in Pauper a fair amount.

[@GorgonOfZola]

Most likely impracticable but it would be interesting to see a top 10 value cards ($/points). It would be difficult with market value fluctuations among many other variables. I thoroughly enjoy all of your Top 10 lists. Thank you for sharing them with us.

[@kasadeya3754]

I’ve been intrested in Makeing a serrated arrows proliferate deck, as it seems rather effective way of keeping multiple stocks of -1/-1 counters, needling or killing your opponents. With a very reasnoble ability to serve as a annoying form of control. What with two serrated arrows down, effectively makeing x/2s dead on drop, and 3, 4, if you can get a full set out, due to near infinite arrow counters and no other cost but tapping serrated arrows to send them off your opponents direction. Not a very good strategy mind, but a intresting One to consider

[@jediprotector216]

I don't believe I can find #1 in my collection, it was printed in Garruk vs Liliana, but I think I lost it.

[@honorsquanch7044]

I would love a "top 10 most overpowered decks in MTG history" for each competitive format.

[@bigmookie27]

I still try to fit Homelands cards into my Commander decks, inhave such nostalgia for it, as bad as it is. Grandmother Sengir is great. I even have Soraya, the Falconer piloting a bird-banding deck... love it.

[@CombineHgrunt]

Quite surprised to have heard Merchant Scroll still hasn't taken over Serrated's #1 spot. I was expecting #1 and 2 to be those cards, but in the opposite order.

[@kriosuranous3440]

Can we see top 10 dual land cycles, it may be extra work, but I’m genuinely curious what would take the middle spots.

[@davidminor4213]

If we include Pauper, Bounce lands and Gain lands are there. Pauper is basically Busted cards with terrible lands

[@davidminor4213]

I'm with you tho, fetches are obviously #1 but #6 - #10 is almost anyone's guess

[@bastokrepublic]

I love how each time I returned to magic, the cards sucked. Homelands, Masques, Kamigawa

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

Kamigawa was straight gas, standard was probably lame tbh. I could give a whole list of cards from Kamigawa that broke formats and/or have entire archetypes built around them along with multiple very solid cards. (On mobile rn, so won't leave an entire list etc. If you would like me to go in depth just let me know.)

[@kartoffelnpommesgut]

@@Jonathan-qk5ed I agree. Throug the Breach, Goyro's Vengeance...Jitte...

[@alessandroboscaini8424]

Horacio Saucedo Elías sensei’s divining top, gifts ungiven, kiki jiki

[@mrtekbunny]

Fallen empires sucked so bad people have forgotten it and think kamigawa was worse.

[@MrZer093]

Kamigawa’s main issues were the following: All over the place designs. The sets generally lacked any focus and just had a lot of flashy cards. While some are format defining, they only do so with cards from other sets. The Legend rule at the time made it so once you played a legend, the opponent couldn’t play the same one. In a block where legends were the focus, mirror matches were hell. And lastly, this was fresh off Mirrodin. That set had so many busted cards that Wizards wanted to play it safe and avoided making anything too much and it went the other way and made a lot of underwhelming cards. They even did a blatant cover-up by not doing any standard tournaments until Mirrodin rotated out so it was just block (hence a lot of mirror matches) and extended for the most part. But overall, it has a unique place in Magic’s history, not just for the format defining stuff but for the aesthetics it had. It’s probably the most fondly remembered of the “bad sets”. I feel it could do well if Wizards could avoid the same problems as last time and I feel they could.

[@kartoffelnpommesgut]

Merchant scroll I call it. Damn, it came in second.

[@rylancheshire1216]

Serrated arrows can be even better in proliferate decks.

[@oliverwilson11]

Pretty sure Memory Lapse would be "too good for Standard" now with how far counterspells have fallen.

[@maryjones104]

Sorry, what? Negate has been printed into the ground, Sinister Sabotage is pretty good, what's there to complain about?

[@anneaunyme]

@@maryjones104 Memory Lapse costs only 2 AND can counter anything. Putting the card on the top of you opponent library is not that much of a problem as it also means you know what your opponent has in his hand. You can compare it to Quench: same cost, both can target any spell, but Quench only works if your opponent has no mana left.

[@DaveyDAKFAE]

Memory Lapse is a control deck Time Walk. If your opponent has no good attacks and can only cast one important spell during their turn (pretty common against control decks), time walk them. Same mana cost, same effect. It's absolutely incredible and massively underrated

[@SmugOcelot]

@@DaveyDAKFAE I'm not sure I understand your point, as Time Walk allows you to take another turn, at 1B at sorcery speed, while Memory Lapse is a counterspell that puts the countered card on top of its owners library. Are you saying that your opponent essentially doesn't get their turn since they are back where they started?

[@AnsticePalo]

@@SmugOcelot Yes. Memory Lapse ensured they had to draw the same card they couldn't cast the previous turn. They aren't getting something new that could help their board state. Memory lapse should have saw more play during the draw-go days of Mirage/Tempest standard. Oopsie, I memory lapse your fresh draw AND capsized three of your lands to your hand. Getting beat down by stalking stones was not fun.

[@hectordejesus9194]

Fallen Empires. My first set of Magic. I still love the set.

[@alp21188]

Ihsans shade made it into all my black decks. 2 in my non necropotence black weenie deck and 1 in my necro decks

[@MrShinyObject]

Hey, don't know if you've done this, but have you done a best common top 10?

[@davidminor4213]

That should be a top 20. Bolt is #1 since it's legal everywhere except standard. Brainstorm, ponder, preordain, Delver, Gurmag, Hymn, Serum visions, llanower elves, skewer, rift, spike. That's 12 right there. I suspect terminate and arrows could crack a top 20

[@2frikinbeast]

Technically there were only 70 cards in Homelands. However, each card was printed with 2 different artworks, totaling 140 non-unique cards

[@unicornshampoo]

Incorrect. There were 25 cards with alternative prints. So 115 cards total.

[@paulmaurice4491]

What about fallen empires,or the dark? Koskun falls was my favourite homelands card.

[@SpitefulAZ]

I bet Autumn Willow will be on the list. and..... Baron Sengir??? lol

[@Reliquancy]

Have you ever done top 10 classes? Druid, soldier, wizard, etc?

[@NizzahonMagic]

I haven't done all of them, but I have done Wizards, Soldiers, Artificers, Knights, to name a few. Might have done a few more.

[@Reliquancy]

Nizzahon Magic Yeah, I think I’ve seen all of those... I meant like out of all the classes which have had the most impact, like do soldiers or wizards have more points the way you do them.

[@KmanScan]

Not sure what I was thinking when I bought a booster box of these in '97 or so.

[@simoncosh3654]

I remember when homelands came out. Ihsan’s shade was all the rage

[@patritchie1317]

You should update your points graphic to include all of the formats you take points in.

[@magnusberge]

i got serrated arrows in my Atraxa commander deck ^^

[@natenathan2654]

How about the wordt cards in the best sets? Start with urzas saga

[@CmdrUD87]

I half expected basic lands to be on the list because everything else is so abysmal :D

[@streetpeter3210]

My Pauper deck loves Merchant Scroll ❤

[@WarpxD]

No Baron?

[@DeDunking]

As I sit down to watch this, I am picking Serrated Arrows for an unexpected high spot on this list. If you were there, you know.

[@DeDunking]

I didn't expect it to beat Lapse and Scroll 😲

[@justinburley6000]

Homelands was the first set where even 8 year old me could tell it really sucked.

[@rajamicitrenti1374]

"It just had to be printed in Homelands" So the top 5 are the basic lands? Or did they not include those in every pack back in the day?

[@NizzahonMagic]

They actually didn't print basic lands in Homelands, but even if they had, it would be obvious they are excluded!

[@earlofdrumer1851]

Homelands art and theme are beautiful though... a guilty pleasure I guess

[@TheEvolver311]

Memory Lapse still my favorite generic counterspell

[@fo-ef8qo]

Do Fallen Empires next, if you haven't.

[@Bradanuva]

I’m very fond of the Folk of An-Havva

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

I always wanted a top 10 worse/best of cards from every set.

[@steffensgary]

I would argue sea sprites is betrer than cerulean drake since faeries is a better creature type now than it used to be

[@shawnbrahh]

Great idea for a top 10👌🏻

[@NizzahonMagic]

Thanks! 😊

[@stuflames4769]

If I were to ever write an erotic fanfic involving MTG characters, Autumn Willow would be a top contender of my focus. ... I'm actually pretty good at writing erotica, so that's a pretty solid point in Homelands favor.

[@intelligentcounterspell16]

I left and sold my cards right after homelands now that I'm back 25 years later I'm kicking myself for selling my sets back then

[@foeller13]

A buddy of mine found homelands packs for about 1.50 a pack in ATL and bought about 14, and we "drafted" it, boy is that set not made for drafting, torture was really the only way to kill stuff and it was just stalling mess where neither of could do much.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Yeah that sounds pretty awful.

[@DemonsForge]

Kinda find it funny I owe copies of all these cards except for Truce XD

[@crovax1375]

Memory Lapse is a favorite card of mine

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

Feroz Ban is pretty fun;P

[@Collector261]

Baron Segir is not on your list ?

[@marciodemeo4731]

Nizzahon Magic please do a top 10 Magic Sets and top 10 worst Magic Sets

[@ianrevell9905]

Top 10 "The Dark". This is the way.

[@SephonDK]

I want a world where Serrated Arrows is playable in standard, even if a niche pick.

[@totalSLACK]

This was the set I started buying booster boxes... I'd prolly still be playing if this set didn't ruin my experience.

[@jays.6843]

Eron the Relentless looks like an edgier Johnny Joestar.

[@atlys258]

Dang, Narset makes Truce pretty good.

[@Nougatbars]

Some time back, you did worst Legendary cards but restricted it to one a set, as ‘Legends would take up all the video.’ So what the heck! Do worst Legends Legendary cards!

[@TheMCGamer2012]

Incoming buyout for Didgeridoo :o

[@shuboy05]

Didgeridoo is a card that was released in the wrong set. At the time there weren't many Minotaurs. It only got useful years later when more Minotaurs were being printed.

[@Finngrinder]

Homelands at least had beautiful art and flavor. Dragon's Maze had neither of that and Ikoria has in alternate art but it made the game literally Yu Gi Oh Light and broke Magic in half

[@hermodnitter3902]

Totally agree!

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

As a YuGiOh man, trust me, Magic can get so much worse.

[@TheBlueAnt]

im surprised Feast of the Unicorn didnt make it, the card is actually pretty powerful

[@NizzahonMagic]

No...no it isn't. It is a terrible combat trick.

[@TheBlueAnt]

Nizzahon Magic its an enchantment, it made black knight into a 6 power first striker

[@JT-hk9ur]

@@TheBlueAnt for 4 mana lol. It's awful.

[@Doomxeen]

I have absolutely wrecked people with Autumn Willow in weird limited formats as recently as a few years ago. Love that chick.

[@41mosco]

top 10 best: Scars of Mirrodin cards!

[@frostace8057]

I actually like Mystic Decree. It's a pretty okay card

[@dirtybirdy2182]

Played with the shade lol

[@BobbyxZx]

serrated arrows were godlike

[@tygonmaster]

Cerulean Drake is not what I would call strictly a better Sea Sprite owing to it having the Fearie creature type, which we all know Lorwyn block loved to death. Drake? Much less loved of a creature type. I would argue in general, the counter effect is better than that, especially against decks without targeted effects. At that point, Drake is the same effects with a worse creature type. Not strictly better.

[@NizzahonMagic]

It is strictly better the way most people use the phrase. Fact is, no Faerie deck will play that Faerie, so it having a more meaningful creature type is irrelevant.

[@SLGS-productions]

Top 10 best dragons maze!

[@themonkeyhand]

A new Eron card would be cool.

[@hanselmanryanjames]

I disagree. Apocalypse Chime is the best Homelands card, because it hates itself. Just like it should.

[@Eron2828]

Eron the Relentless *flex*

[@gabefarkas]

6 creatures among the 10. Not surprising considering creatures were still far and away the most common way to win.