The Magic: the Gathering rules iceberg explained (part 1)

[@hughmortyproductions8562]

Some responses to frequent comments so I don't have to reply to all of them. 1:42 "There are more than seven card types" - I know, keep watching. 26:37 "What about Laboratory Maniac plus Midnight Reaper (or some other draw card, lose life effect)?" - In that case you just win. The Lab Maniac's replacement effect applies during the resolution of the ability, causing you to win the game. Having 0 life or less won't cause you to lose until state-based effects are checked after the ability finishes resolving but the game never gets to that point because you've already won. "What if both players are reduced to 0 life at the same time (by Earthquake for example)?" - That's already covered by a different rule. Rule 104.4a "If all the players remaining in a game lose simultaneously, the game is a draw".

[@cyphern]

I do know of a historical way that 104.3f used to be possible. In single elimination rounds of a tournament, after time has elapsed and extra turns have been played, if both players have the exact same life total the game enters a "sudden death" mode. This adds an additional state-based action to the game. Under current rules, that state-based action makes a player lose the game if they don't have the highest life total, but for a time it made you *win* the game if you *do* have the highest life total. That made it the only state-based action which could cause a win instead of a loss, and since all state-based actions are handled simultaneously, there could theoretically be one state-based action saying you win, and another saying you lose. Say... cast zap targetting your opponent while your library is empty.

[@meumeunome]

​@@cyphern The actual aditional state-based action that is added to the game is: "if a player does not have the highest life total, he or she loses the game". mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Match#End-of-Match_Procedure Then if you AND all of your oponnents would lose the game at the sime time, the game is a DRAW. But, in the case you described, I believe that something weird will happen: 1) As Zapp resolves, your opponent life total becomes lesser than yours and you have drawn a card with empty library; 2) State-based action will make both you and your oponnent lose the game at the sime time.. resulting in a DRAW; FROM HERE, I HAVE 2 THEORIES: FIRST ONE: 3) Since the game can't be a DRAW, it will continue; 4) Right after the next action occur (passing turn/step or casting/resolving a spell/ability) a new state-based action will be checked; 5) Your oponnent will lose the game for having less life than yours.. causing you to win the game. SECOND ONE: 3) A new game will start; 4) The first player to have less life than the other one will lose the game (checked as a state-based action, of course). Don't know if neither of these is right, but I found it pretty curious... xD (sorry for any bad english.. it's not my native language)

[@cyphern]

Yes, that's the current rule, and the current rule cannot cause 104.3f. Only the old rule could cause 104.3f. Under current rules, your second theory is correct. It's fine for the *game* to be a draw, so the game is a draw. But the *match* can not be a draw so the next game begins. That game starts with the sudden death rule already in effect, so it should be a pretty short game. Mountain, raging goblin, attack for 1, good game.

[@Lolasaur0]

What is the difference in wording that causes a trigger to be a reflexive trigger?

[@cyphern]

​@@Lolasaur0​Triggers in general are identifiable by the words "when", "whenever", or "at". For most triggers, this word appears at the start of the ability. Reflexive triggers are a special case and the word "when" will appear in the middle of a resolving spell or ability (or in a replacement effect), right after asking you to do something. In short: they usually look like "You may [do X]. *When* you do, [do Y]."

[@georgeerniej]

Hang on, is this video just a nicely formatted guide to magic rules? It's great!

[@roguebolt0]

With the caveat that it isn't explaining super basic stuff like what does it mean to tap, what does it mean to draw a card, full turn order etc. However i was thinking the same thing as you. excellent video for people to see once they start learning interactions.

[@eavyeavy2864]

Clickbait you mean

[@av.punk.801]

"Artwork doesn't impact game play" happened as recently as War of the Spark. Sorin's thirst can't target Nahiri

[@The_Murder_Party]

It does though, in that it means those cards will as more gameplay :) but also un-set rules.

[@NinjaMinkzx]

Just means sorin’s not interested in her

[@SoggyWaffles.]

Thanks for helping me win my first FNM! I was about to die to Fireball on the stack, but then I remembered Rule 100.6b, and proceeded to look up tournaments in my area until time was called. My opponent tried to argue that I was stalling, but I just shouted obscure MTG rulings until he gave up.

[@ATFADL]

I was hopeing their would be some rule 100.6b jokes.

[@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden]

So it wasn’t an honest win? He just gave up

[@Icenri]

Get this man a beer!

[@NbNgMOD]

This man deserves a throne

[@sombat2788]

14:32 For anyone wondering what functionally* distinguishes a reflexive trigger from the 'standard' trigger - that is to say why* there's a distinction between the two at all - it's the "When" and "If", respectively. It's muddling that not only is that not clearly stated in this video, but also that he uses "if" to describe the "when" ability. I found it to be a great video otherwise! This is definitely going to help a lot of players.

[@Krokrodyl]

Absolutely. As a casual player, I had to look up more info to notice the when/if distinction.

[@tavarismo]

I was just wondering about that, thanks!

[@tylerdanielewicz297]

An example of the “tokens aren’t cards” rule mattering is that you can’t use Gideon’s Intervention to prevent damage from token creatures. Learned that the hard way when I played standard

[@Tacklepig]

You technically can, IF the token creature has the name of an actual card. So you could prevent damage from a Nightmare token, because there is a card named Nightmare. Or, slightly more relevant, you can prevent the damage from token copies of cards.

[@trevorstammler]

The rule also now applies to Sefris, as she will trigger when a creature dies but not when a token dies

[@umbaupause]

So can you not name stuff like "Insect"? Cause no actual card has that name I think, sooo...

[@trevorstammler]

@@umbaupause Yeah when it asks for a card name you have to pick an existing card, unfortunately tokens can’t be named. I think there are several tokens with the same name as cards (like embalmed or eternalized cards), those effects that name cards can still apply to them, like pithing needle.

[@MrFierygrave]

Also because they aren't cards they can't be flipped face down by ixidron or other effects that flip cards. Also relevant if you make a token copy of a werewolf, they can't flip.

[@cassiebrenneman9673]

I decided to look up an MTG iceberg, since everything has one, and I know there's a lot of lore. Turns out that the rules are so complicated that the iceberg is just the rules.

[@catoticneutral]

18:31 Yugioh has an entirely different solution for loops. In Yugioh, any move that would cause an unbreakable loop to start is an illegal move. That rule is actually kinda important, since there's actually a lot of possible infinite loops in Yugioh, mostly due to the lack of a resource system like mana.

[@crewie94]

It's incredible how much the two game systems share, yet remain so very different as a final product. I personally came to MTG from Yu-Gi-Oh, mainly due to the resource management and how that drastically changes a deck build. I love both games, it's definitely Magic that has my interests peaked most, but I've started playing at what seems like a pretty poor time, based on the insane inflation of the product line in reaction to heightened popularity.

[@blightyfrogs]

Reject formats embrace cube! It is never a poor time to start playing cube magic.

[@revimfadli4666]

@@crewie94 what are your opinions on the "landless" resource system used by Duel Masters, Wixoss etc? Where any card can be used as resource

[@crewie94]

@@revimfadli4666 Wow, Duel Masters, that's a blast! I can't say I have a relevant opinion on those games because I'm not sure I even played them accurately. But I definitely love the art styles of both games.

[@cassun603]

This video is fantastic on all fronts. The fact that you specifically mention when a rule is obsolete for people who just listen is great. Definitely going in my insomnia playlist

[@stevencowan37]

Mana weaving is like kissing your knuckles and punching the ceiling of your car when you drive over a railroad track: Doesn't do anything noticeable, it's a ritual that makes you feel better.

[@FoxTashikata]

One thing that I see people constantly get confused about is that when you copy a spell, you don't cast it. Also really silly timing interactions where opponents have to wait to be passed priority before responding to something you did. This really gets to newer players.

[@CellarDoor-rt8tt]

Yeah, I think it’s because most “how to play mtg” tutorials, whether online or in person, don’t go over how priority works because it’s sort of a mechanic within a mechanic. It’s hard enough to explain how instants work to new players without even touching how priority works. Priority is one of those things you just have to figure out by going out of your way to read the rules or have it explained to you or if you play mtgo you might learn it from playing the game that way

[@FishMr3]

Except for something like Mizzix Mastery, where you *do* cast a copy of the spell(s) you exile!

[@ibemagnus]

There are a number of spells that you copy and cast copies of the spells, whereas other spells or effects copy spells directly onto the stack

[@umbaupause]

I guess this is also important when playing Approach Of The Second Sun for example.

[@macurvello]

23:27 The example is kind of confusing because the displayed card shows the old text. The current oracle text makes it clear that the opponent is the one creating the tokens: When Hunted Horror enters the battlefield, target opponent creates two 3/3 green Centaur creature tokens with protection from black.

[@Mephistofred]

Scrolled for this. Thank you.

[@stormingcrow2541]

"Tokens aren't cards". This rule comes up more than you might think. Phyrexian revoker and pithing needle cannot name Tokens BECAUSE they aren't cards.

[@BostonJon420]

The Llanowar Elves mana issue was bad back when I started in the late 90s. The confusion came from the fact that the card actually said it added green to your mana pool. Alot of new players thought their lands in play were there mana pool so they would search for a forest and place in play.

[@stevem.o.1185]

I remember being so pissed about dark ritual not fetching three swamps lol.

[@Blomstermark]

@@stevem.o.1185 i get it, but omg

[@craigmoen1430]

I was 12 when I started playing in beta, and NEVER played against anyone who thought this, nor did I... and don't understand how you could think it works like that in the first place. All the old lands said T: Add (mana symbol).

[@BostonJon420]

All the really old lands say to add the mana to your mana pool.

[@stevem.o.1185]

@@craigmoen1430 I was like ten, learned to play on my own through Pojo magazine, had zero friends, and yeah... It can be very confusing without some kind of guidance.

[@Jolfgard]

2:55 Are you really teling me my chair tribal deck isn't tier 1 because of the artwork synergies?

[@errorhurts665]

The classic interaction where tokens not being cards becomes relevant is Bridge from Below + Leyline of the Void. Leyline keeps any cards from going to your graveyard, which usually prevents your opponents from killing a creature and exiling the bridges from your graveyard, but because tokens aren't cards, they can die and take the bridges out of your opponent's grave even if your opponent has a Leyline of the Void on the battlefield.

[@gabeminnich7821]

Fun fact that wasn't mentioned in the video. Creature spells used to read summon creature as the card type instead of just creature.

[@BuddyIsGarbage]

About the oversights in artwork being rare nowadays is mostly true. There are still really big creatures that don't have trample. You would think a giant creature taller than a skyscraper would have trample. But no, a simple squirrel could block it.

[@ibemagnus]

The Tarrasque would like a word.

[@Magnivore519]

For mana abilities, they also can't be a Planeswalker ability. Sorry, Koth.

[@officialbusy]

Ive been playing for 100 years and I still learned something

[@benzloeb]

Great video. For completeness I feel obliged to mention that there are 2 more lands with the Urza's land type. (Urza's Factory and the new card Urza's Saga)

[@tekf5ve209]

In his defense, this video is from April. We hadn't had Urza's Saga revealed yet. But yeah he missed the Factory.

[@hulksmash106]

Mirko Vosk not milling is a required rule due to an enchantment that causes players to mill cards equal to the cards they milled this turn

[@crapface911]

The amount of these i knew makes me think I should take the judge test

[@PsionicMonk]

The tokens aren't cards ability effectively is a broad way to apply the inherent limits of tokens. They do no exist after changing zones, so you cannot 1) have them in your hand or graveyard 2) put them physically as a card into the 60 of your deck.

[@genzo454]

Yeah, that's also what I thought when it was mentioned (like for example, unsummon-ing a 4/4 Rhino token makes it cease existence because you can't have tokens in your hand)

[@TaIathar]

I would like to add that CMC is now called "Mana Value" instead.

[@bluepomegranate]

A couple fun tidbits: MDFCs have an interesting interaction with Skyclave Apparition. For instance, when on the battlefield, Tergrid's Lantern has a CMC of 4, and can thus be targeted by the apparition. However, while exiled its CMC determined by the front face (Tergrid), making it 5. This means that when the apparition dies, the opponent gets a 5/5 illusion, despite the apparition only exiling permanents with CMCs up to 4. As of the printing of Modern Horizons 2, the "Urza's" land type appears on a 4th land, Urza's Saga; however, there aren't any significant rules applications of this to my knowledge.

[@zacsnowbank7632]

As an interesting bit of "tokens aren't cards" trivia, the new AFR dungeons aren't and cannot be tokens. Tokens only exist on the battlefield and "poof" in any other zone, but dungeons need to sit in the command zone and be tracked as the game continues. So there are now three non-token cards that all players always have infinite access to (like a token) and comes in the token slot of boosters (like a token) but is definitely not a token. The real question about dungeons though, is can I proxy one at an official event?

[@gabekillian2761]

It's just a tracker for a long activated ability

[@Itachi__Uchiha]

"Tokens are not cards" is relevant with cards like Dauthi Voidwalker. Dauthi says "if a card would be put into an opponents graveyard from anywhere. Instead exile it with a void counter on it.". If you are playing a token aristocrats deck you can get around the graveyard hate by sacrificing specifically tokens as they will still hit the graveyard giving you death triggers. Whereas a card like Rest in Piece mentions cards and tokens to cover everything. Very small detail but definitely comes up.

[@charlesjohn3635]

As someone running Vorinclex, a 6/6 trample, and Binding the Old Gods, which gives desthtouch to all creatures, I love how few people know the deathtouch/trample ruling

[@christophercombs7561]

There was right before the rule change a deck that specifically killed people with mana burn using spectral searchlight to force mana into their pool to ping them to death soon after this deck came out the rule was removed

[@thepieguyinthesky2363]

Urza's subtype is a very big deal, I have experienced it firsthand, alpine moon fucks it over (because it makes the card loose the land type but not the name)

[@PedroSantos-te9dz]

There are 14 card types, now we have dungeons

[@NexTeekothVT]

from what i know, the dungeons aren't cards, they're just sorta there

[@scotbush4338]

@@NexTeekothVT I think you're right, sort of like emblems. They exist and have an effect on the game but don't actually like, exist.

[@oals29]

They are considered "nontraditional cards", like planes and schemes. And just like planes and schemes, dungeon counts as a card type even if they don't go into your deck.

[@randomguy6680]

One weird example of "tokens aren't cards" is with Ashiok, Nightmare Muse's -3. If you bounce a token, it will still be on it's owner's hand when they need to exile a card from their hand, but they can not choose the token. I say weird because most players and even some judges wil just say that the token no longer exist for the second part of the ability.

[@Road_to_Tolaria]

Tokens not belonging to a set is a relavant rule with the following two cards as an example. Rukh Egg and City in a Bottle. If any number of Rukh Eggs are in play, they will be destroyed if CiaB is played. However, the 4/4, flying Rukh tokens don't belong to the ARN set and so will be able to remain on the battlefield. Great vid, thank you!

[@stephenhousman6975]

22:30 Here is the obscure ruling with tokens are not cards. Your opponent's leyline of the void will not exile your tokens. So if you have a creature that has a death trigger you do get it.

[@DerrickJolicoeur]

Depending how "winning" is defined with respect to all your opponents loosing the game, 104.3f probably works in conjunction with rules for determining a draw.

[@TurboWindex]

I'd like to thank you for the examples and the effort you put into explaining concepts, even the most basic ones. I don't speak english natively and sometimes my brain gets foggy when I try to translate/register a lot of information too quickly. Having images & animations to support your very detailed explanations is very appreciated. Nice video !

[@dyne313]

To say the rules of MTG are complex, is, well, an understatement. To say the least. But 99% of the game is pretty simple to understand.

[@martijnlerutte6118]

I still do the untap, upkeep, draw in the wrong order all the time

[@natahliazaring5291]

Phasing isn't just on older cards! The most recent set (Adventures in the Forgotten Realms) uses it on several cards! Not to mention random relatively recent cards from non-standard legal sets like Teferi's Protection. It's not used *commonly* on recent cards, but still can be found occasionally. Though a design ethos of using phasing more over flicker effects may be coming around, since there are a lot of ways to abuse flicker effects whereas phasing is much harder to abuse in the same way. Phasing lets WotC print cards that use it with more frequency and with more efficient costs without worrying about the balance that a flicker effect may need. Or maybe they just used it in AFR bc phasing feels more like a DnD ability. Hard to say yet.

[@genzo454]

Honestly, I've always been a fan of phasing ever since I first learned what it was. It always seemed like one of those archetypical old Magic mechanics. Glad to see it's making a comeback

[@natahliazaring5291]

@@genzo454 even more so now! The initial comment was from a year ago and since then we've had a good amount of it sprinkled into the sets since

[@generalgk]

This is such an excellent Iceberg video. Incredibly well researched, voiced and edited. Great job!

[@guitarhill9003]

23:54 An example could be a card like Bruvac, the Grandiloquent, which wouldn’t replace the Mirko Vosk trigger.

[@rickrhone8420]

imagine the fist on Aladdins Ring trying to open...looks like that ring would lock the finger in that position...

[@xiahG]

For the “tokens aren’t cards” ruling, while It doesn’t affect the game, I play at causal events that use “achievements” to win packs with. These can sometimes mean “have 5 or more uncommon non land permanents”. It is usually considered that tokens don’t count toward this as they aren’t cards

[@killswitch69698]

yeah the mirko vask ruling sucks if they ever make a card that states "if an opponent mills a card, all players/opponents mills a card" its the one thing I would want wizards to make to make mill strong in cmdr.

[@scotbush4338]

Bruvac, the grandiloquent cares about milling and isn't triggered by mirko vosk, for example

[@alexmorrison3442]

Actually a really helpful video. I didn't realize the b locking capabilities of the flicker whisps in one of my decks. Neat.

[@NStripleseven]

“A card’s artwork does not influence its abilities in any way” Selfie Preservation: hold my trees

[@grifknotwell6696]

the deathtouch +Trample vs Protection rule got me tilted recently, as i hand not encountered it before it just made no sense to me but yeah thats a rule

[@stevenglowacki8576]

I've been out of the loop for a while, and didn't realize there was a functional change to their templating change of "If you do..." to "When you do..." - it actually makes a lot of sense, too.

[@alexmorrison3442]

Tokens aren't cards actually effects detention sphere if I am not mistaken. Its because they're not cards that the exile actually destroys them instead of exiling them. Therefore, even if detention sphere is removed, the tokens do not come back.

[@ethanleroux5697]

This is the only iceberg we actually needed

[@OsightblinderO]

"Artwork has no gameplay impact." Incorrect. There certainly are cards that care about artwork.

[@enzossauroYT]

Circle of Protection: Art Selfie Preservation And a few more

[@hughmortyproductions8562]

Obviously, I should have added "for non-silver bordered cards". But I was more focused on things like whippoorwill not having flying, rather than cards caring about other cards' artwork.

[@antoninjanku3358]

Dryad arbor?

[@ArtCore616]

But arent those silver bordered?

[@moonlightvoyager]

I remember when I first read the Shadow ability and I thought it meant that only creatures "that could cast shadows" were able to defend a creature with Shadow, so I really thought I had to pay attention to the art each creature to know if they could block or not 🤣

[@FoxTashikata]

Oh yeah. People still always say "it fizzles"

[@flourishingneo]

2:55 "Artwork has no gameplay impact" - there are some cards, that refer to artwork (like Acornelia, Fashionable Filcher)

[@noahking3284]

Bruvac the Grandiloquent's ability is a replacement ability for mill, so Mirko Vosk and similar cards don't work with him

[@protolight1654]

Daily reminder cycling tricks let you work around split second for a moment

[@ccoughlin2284]

As does morph.

[@UOIAIOU]

@@ccoughlin2284 And my axe!

[@Thumper770]

You forgot to mention the Golden Rule. The single most important rule in Magic. If a card breaks the rules, the card is ALWAYS right.

[@sagacious03]

Excellent video! I really love how peaceful it is, too! Thanks for uploading!

[@kelleryon]

You could do an entire video like this about unhinged and the other joke sets. I remember an epic friendship altering debate on whether gum counts as food for Fat Ass's ability

[@Dannymiles1987]

Phasing coming back hard in 2021. I thought this ability does a decade ago. What’s next fading?

[@Oscar-qs4nt]

So you're telling me that in a middle of a game I can chose to search for a local tournament near me bc 100.6b always it lmaoo

[@yugioh395]

The mono blue commander Bruvac does use the keyword mill, so that does matter for card you brought up around 24:00

[@kai-flemmingkott114]

No since Mirco vosk is not milling bruvacs doesn't care. Milling specifically is putting cards from the library straight into the graveyard since Mirco vosk reveals and then puts into the graveyard he doesn't mill. But Bruvac would care about sphinxes tutalage making it mill 4 cards repeating on 2 cards sharing a colour

[@yugioh395]

@@kai-flemmingkott114 Yup that’s what I was saying. The dude in the video said he didn’t think mill was a keyword.

[@aarlavaan]

​@@yugioh395 no, he said there were no abilities that trigger specifically when cards are milled, to his knowledge. not that there was no mill keyword. in fact he said that Mirko specifically DIDN'T use the keyword mill, so he clearly knows there is a keyword, and chose Mirko because it DOESN'T mill, by definition of the keyword. even though it ends up doing the same thing it is mechanically slightly different and thus does not fall under the keyword definition.

[@yugioh395]

@@aarlavaanno, “if they ever make a card that triggers on mill” shows that he’s not aware of bruvac

[@aarlavaan]

@@yugioh395 Not really. Since bruvac does not trigger as a result of cards being milled. but modifies the number of milled cards because it is a replacement effect, not a triggered ability. he is looking for an ability like... "when a card is milled, do X" either way though Mirko does not trigger Bruvac because Mirko does not mill. Nor would mirko trigger my theoretical triggered ability.

[@ih8people]

You missed one thing about mana abilities: activated abilities are mana abilities as long as they: a) can add mana to the mana pool, b) don't target and c) are not loyalty abilities

[@benjaminwilliams2859]

Awesome series! I tend to be much more versed in the depths of the current official rules than almost everyone i play with, but i still don't know alll the rules :'( . So far i've already learned 2 new things :D, the proper handling of reflexive triggers and the "double blocking" of creatures with protection. Keep it up!

[@jonahcalvo1873]

“Tokens aren’t cards” Dinrova horror bounces a permanent and causes its owner to discard a card. As these effects happen at the same time, if tokens were cards, they could be discarded to the second half of the effect, as tokens only cease to exist in zones besides the battlefield as a state-based effect. But they aren’t cards, so they can’t be discarded, and they stop existing when the effect finishes resolving.

[@stormingcrow2541]

That's actually a different rule that causes that to happen. It's rule 111.7 that says "a token that's in another zone besides the battlefield ceases to exist". Without that rule Tokens would be able to exist in your hand or graveyard.

[@jonahcalvo1873]

@@stormingcrow2541 that rule only applies as a state based effect. So it technically doesn't cease to exist until the entire card ability resolves and state based effects are checked

[@chibisnarl]

Well done video and it seems you're the only one who's explaining it so I look forward to future vids!

[@crax83]

6:08 tha fact that creatures are spells is more intuitive with older cards where they are called summons.

[@dizzzzy6]

The reason that 104.3f is impossible is not that no card could create a double-bound situation (in 1v1). The actual reason is that if a player would simultaneously win and lose in a 1v1 format, their opponent would *also* simultaneously win and lose.

[@nicholashinderer9896]

"IT's sTILL A LIBRARY" bro i m dead as fuck

[@TaIathar]

In layer 5 "controlling other players" is on there twice. I wonder if that's intentional by the person who made that (you said you found it somewhere).

[@ColMcWillis]

Tokens aren't cards example: if an effect commands a player to put a permanent on top of their library and draw a card before state based effects are checked they could not draw the Token because it is not a card while on top of the library either.

[@brownmold]

If tokens were cards, they could be bounced into your hand, Instead of disappearing when they hit your hand. Likewise for dying and existing in your graveyard.

[@themagicbuffofficial]

An example of a card that depends on the term "mill" would be Bruvac the Grandiloquent. I'm confident there are others but that was the first that came to mind.

[@mufflezork]

13:35 hey my dads in being arrested for having too much of that, thought it gave him protection but oh well.

[@Patashu]

Thanks for this, I was constructing this for myself by hand but it's a LOT quicker to just have someone who already knows this stuff explain it for me LOL EDIT: For +1/+1 | -1/-1 counters cancelling out, it is worth noting that the cancelling out happens as a state based action. Though off the top of my head I'm not sure when this would matter.

[@TheRovingPunster]

For "tokens aren't cards": There's actually an interaction with it that is somewhat relevant in legacy/vintage and was briefly relevant in modern With bridge from below in your graveyard and leyline of the void in play, it would seem like nothing of your opponents dying could cause it to trigger and exile itself, but this is not the case. Leyline of the void only exiles cards. Tokens will properly die under its effect and exile bridge. The later printed rest in peace was reworded to fix this unintentional loophole.

[@wingedviking2706]

26:40 Re: Impossible Rule I haven't played MTG for a decade or two but I've watched some videos of people playing recently. I've seen several cards that say something like "you can't lose" or "you can't lose and your opponent can't win". What would happen if you AND your opponent both had permanents that had those effects, you both got to negative life, and then there was a board wipe that simultaneously removed the effects from both players? According to this rule, would both players lose at the same time (i.e. it's not a draw, they both lose)?

[@Sp1cyP3pp3r]

3:00 Princess Luna literally has ""...with a moon in their art" 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@vivianm1851]

Don't forget that for some reason you must reveal manifested cards if they would leave the battlefield or at the end of the game or else you get an automatic loss...

[@koalabro6118]

Do you not mean morph/megamorph cards? I mained a morph/manifest deck back when I started and manifested cards didn't have that rule. As for the reason behind the reveal, you do so to prove that the card you played face down actually has the morph/megamorph ability. If you didn't then you could lie and play a random card as a 2/2 creature rather then whatever it actually is.

[@Tacklepig]

@@koalabro6118 afaik it's all facedown cards, but it's mostly relevant for morph and foretell, to prove they actually have that ability.

[@vivianm1851]

@@koalabro6118 C.R. 707.9 as of yet there is nothing that specifies that manifest face down cards follow different rules.

[@icedragon9097]

The way you pronounce mana makes me physically uncomfortable but this is a really cool video :)

[@dariusgibson3368]

For the token rule the new descend mechanic would not trigger with tokens

[@johnmiller109]

Pedantic, but the game has grown increasingly and unnecessarily complicated over the decades. To each their own.

[@TreeCutterDoug]

Earthquake and hurricane, which damage each non/flying creature as well as each opponent, could cause you to both win and loose the game.

[@hughmortyproductions8562]

That's already covered by a different rule. Rule 104.4a "If all the players remaining in a game lose simultaneously, the game is a draw".

[@RaginKavu]

As the subscriber number 701, I would like to say that I loved this video!

[@shadowscale1825]

Thanks for the detailed explanation! Would you mind me reprint your video to other video platform and translate it into another language? If you can reply me, I would be very grateful.

[@hughmortyproductions8562]

That's ok, as long as you credit me.

[@MajraMangetsu]

I learned things on Layer 2.... oh my ....

[@brownmold]

When do we see trample, doublestrike, deathtouch vs a defensive band and protection?

[@cowlin5051]

So because of 106.b I can use the locator whenever I have priority? Brb boutta annoy the shit out of my friends.

[@oals29]

Well, it's not listed as one of the special actions you can perform with priority; so you can do it at any time, even without priority.

[@ferb2002]

24:00 you said there are no cards(to your knowing) that has a effect based on milling, but i do, i use it all the time, there is a legendary human creatcher that has a effect of" when a play mills a card, mill twice as much" i pair this whit cards in my deck that has at one part of the card"target player mills half their deck"

[@vojtajuras4787]

What's the name of that legendary human?

[@DavetheLeg]

Never in my years of playing Magic have I ever seen anybody assume that llanowar elves searches for a forest LOL

[@Lovuschka]

With Triskaidekaphobia and some kind of lifegain plus draw spell, and the guy that lets you win if you draw from an empty library, you should be able to win and lose at the same time.

[@kaiwalsh2478]

Thanks for your time and effort

[@FosterWalsh]

ive been in the process of writing and researching for the ice berg for about a month now and i guess i gotta scrap it now lmao

[@franciscorendon6955]

I think 104.3f could come up with the card Phage The Untouchable and the card Glarecaster or other damage redirect effects. Since Glarecaster can redirect phage’s damage to players, if a player was taking lethal but used glarecaster to redirect phage dmg to the attacker that should trigger the rule . Unsure if this means the attacking player would lose

[@Zman82]

This video was good but would have been a lot better if I could hear it. Max volume and I can barely hear your audio. Friendly criticism.

[@GalvanicChoir]

5:12 I said out loud "Tribal's a supertype" and midsentence you corrected me. I've never been put in my place by a youtube video so hard before.

[@allenamatuccio463]

I swear on the reflexive triggers example those are both the same trigger dude, there is a period after the option to sacrifice an artifact order creature the creature would enter you would choose whether or not to sacrifice an artifact your opponent can respond to that if you did sacrifice an artifact you would then choose targets to split up the four damage and that would go on the stack and your opponent can respond to the damage before it is delt.

[@vDeadbolt]

The difference is when you can target. The card with the reflexive trigger let's you choose the cards to target when the effect resolves, and the cards without the reflexive trigger forces you to chose a target before it resolves. It's like Tiramisu in yugioh, where the card can bypass targeted protection because her effect pets you pick after the effect resolves.

[@mrarchism]

You have reflexive triggers wrong. Essentially in reverse. The manticore wording specifically limits the opponents ability to respond to before you decide to sacrifice limiting the risk to the manticores controller. The flamefiend is also reverse. You choose to sacrifice before the ability is put on the stack. The opponent can then react knowing what was sacrificed. The player who controls the flamefiend can not choose to go back and not sacrifice if the ability is already on the stack.

[@Desenko86]

If both my opponent and I are negative Health and I control an abyssal persecutor and a platinum angel and then I cast a board wipe... wouldnt that be an example of Rule 104.3f?

[@tiocybot]

way too quiet