MTG Top 10: Shroud | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 65

[@holotori_senior_admin_teno]

I wish Shroud was still around; Seemed like interesting playspace for that balance compared to hexproof like you said.

[@HaydenX]

If anyone is wondering why it's called "Canadian Threshold", it's because standard Threshold was just UG, but the variant splashed red to use Lightning Bolt...that's it. It took a good 30 minutes of research for me to find this out, because the Canadian Flag also has white as a pretty prominent color.

[@igniteaxiom]

i totally agree with keeping shroud around for the exact reason that it's less powerful than hexproof, just as first strike is less powerful than doublestrike.

[@santinogiambalvo7839]

Your channel is great, you clearly put in a lot of work for these videos

[@FATmonkeyCHRIS]

Fantastic as always. Any chance of seeing a top 10 for BANDING?

[@jays.6843]

Chris Jones That would imply that there are ten good cards with banding.

[@harleyelson5162]

That would imply that banding is good

[@hetstandaardkanaal7167]

@@harleyelson5162 banding is underrated

[@hobrev]

Blastoderm was a monster in green ramp, I love that card

[@oliverwilson11]

Shroud > Hexproof Yes Shroud has some downside and WotC thinks new players don't like cards with downsides, but what new players like even less is getting blown out by a Vine Mare with multiple auras

[@NizzahonMagic]

Definite pros and cons.

[@salviabigmoney8705]

Glad to see my man nimble mongoose up there. Such a good card early and late game.

[@mystdragon8530]

I think shroud would be good to return with the creatures being bigger or with additional abilities s like the #2 card.

[@johnconner7813]

I miss double edge swords like shroud or all elves get ........

[@tomcleaver6686]

Jolrael's Centaur....used to to win at least two tournaments back in the day !!!

[@AlimTetramorph]

Blastoderm can attack 3 times (fading is different than vanishing)

[@angelusnielson7135]

NOt unless you can give it haste.

[@juliandukes7102]

If you give it haste it attacks 4 times. It doesn't die until you try to remove a counter without there being one

[@sagethegreat4680]

It comes into play with 3 counters turn 1) can't attack 2) remove counter, then attack (2counters) turn 2) remove counter, then attack ( 1 counter left) turn 3) remove counter, then attack ( 0 counters left ) turn 4) no counters left so it gets sacrificed.

[@kaiceps382]

@@sagethegreat4680 Exactly so it can attack 3 times?

[@dragonmaster613]

@@sagethegreat4680 it loses counters via Upkeep, the first counter doesn't get removed till the turn after it hits the field. So it has 4 turns to attack with Fires of Yavimaya.

[@Lornext]

Wow, you know there arent many good Shroud creatures when Autumn Willow is on this list.

[@bretterry8356]

Lornext the key is that it was good in its day, compared to other cards at the time. Obviously better shroud cards like Lightning Greaves and Simic Sky Swallower have been printed since, but they weren't used in competitive play at the top levels of competition. These lists often reflect the metagame more than the strength of a particular card. A mediocre card in a popular deck scores higher than a great card in an unpopular deck.

[@bastokrepublic]

I believe Autumn Willow was only used to satisfy the requirement that all decks contain at least 5 Homelands card. I guess it counts, but it shouldn't.

[@shades2all]

personal opinion is that it should return since it is good at helping balance stuff now. however it should be plastered onto something with more more than just shroud but i don't think it will is the problem. it needs to be put on something that probably should clearly show that hexproof on said card would be broken but since it is shroud that cannot be achieved.

[@monferno1]

I honestly want to see shroud in some cases because I think that it can have a nice RP feeling ie it’s magic nullification being so powerful it can’t be turned off

[@jojorigler9414]

4:01 is that your cat?

[@NizzahonMagic]

+Jack Rigler Yup, she frequently gives input on my videos.

[@savingstumps]

I loved Multani. Had one game where someone cast humility, so I put a rancor on him, and then disenchanted the humility. Finally found a way to get past all those chump blockers lol.

[@BundySloth]

I thought Argothian Enchantress would at least be on there with some Legacy points... Enchantress is one of my favorite toolbox decks.

[@WillArtie]

Thanks again Nizza!

[@waylandli24]

Interesting seeing what cards are considered powerful in different time periods. Also, are you considering doing a top 10 goblins video?

[@NizzahonMagic]

+Wayland Li Already did it over on the Aether Hub!

[@bigboss6867]

No Wall of Denial?! Come oooonnn!!!

[@NighttimeNubbs]

That's how I felt but may be because it's not offensive but damn does it help buy you time.

[@hggfhh4449]

I would like to see shroud return. Not that much but a few cards here or there.

[@briannabell3863]

Greater Auramancy is my favorite shourd card of all time.

[@DuncanEllis]

no Lightning Greaves? Such a staple in Commander, I'm surprised they didn't see play in their standard.

[@danielgolinski2265]

Duncan Ellis, I was thinking the same thing, I was very surprised.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Lightning Greaves has 3 points. One PT Top 8 and one GP Top 8. Being an EDH staple doesn't always mean you see a lot of action at the PTs and GPs.

[@nlb137]

Greaves's staple status in EDH is more heavily influenced by the mechanics of EDH than most cards; you often want LG to slap on a commander ASAP to protect it. Basically, EDH you /always/ have a 'bomb' in hand (not really your hand, but still) worth the card to protect, while normal play gives a good chance the greaves will be a dead card because you don't have anything to put them on.

[@chaotica-game985]

I like Scythe tiger. How well did it do?

[@NizzahonMagic]

+Austin Pennington 0 points. Sorry!

[@chaotica-game985]

Nizzahon Magic shame,thanks

[@emdub9679]

Shroud ought to return in commander 2018 like they have done with phasing, make the card playable in 60 card decks and see how it goes in legacy then bring it back depending on how it does.

[@dannykstick]

So if I play High Alert I wouldn't be able to assign combat damage based on toughness if I have a wall with shroud right?

[@NizzahonMagic]

You would, because High Alert doesn't target.

[@dannykstick]

@@NizzahonMagic Thx!

[@Vidzette]

Very nice list!

[@williamoldaker5348]

Nible mongoose reminds me of that naya cat 1 that's a 3/3

[@Finngrinder]

I fully expected Crystalline Sliver in the upper half

[@NizzahonMagic]

That was silly of you

[@leandroesperanza8853]

10:28 hidden lynx

[@hardcorecommandreloaded3905]

What about that good old boy inky well leviathan???....

[@jammish9802]

I personally like Diplomatic Immunity.

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

It's just been revoked.

[@williamcline4320]

So what can't you do to get rid of permanents with hexproof/Shroud ?

[@NizzahonMagic]

Target them with anything. The only difference between the two is that no player can target a creature with shroud, and only opponent's can't target a creature with hexproof.

[@williamcline4320]

So only if the card description says target the hexproof permanent is now safe. but if the description says all creatures get -2-2 then will the hexproof creature be safe?

[@TheSquareOnes]

You've probably looked this up at some point in the last two months but hexproof and shroud only prevent targeting. Any abilities that don't specifically say they target a creature, like something that deals damage to all creatures or a spell that asks your opponent to choose one to sacrifice, will still work against them. It's not protection, it's more like they're difficult to "aim" at thematically.

[@stephenlofton5403]

I don't understand Autumn Willow is the creature the woman in the picture or the tree behind her? Also kinda wish you'd mentioned my very favorite "shroud" creature the "reprint" of morphing - Aetherling. Probably my favorite control wincon ever.

[@EloquentTroll]

Giant Solifuge? You mean Captain Tickles!

[@hippo2432]

Shroud should definitely come back maybe just not with as many creatures

[@majinvegeta6364]

You keep confusing fading with vanishing. Fading can exist on the battlefield with no counters. It only dies when you cannot remove a counter on your upkeep. So Blastoderm could attack 3 times on its own or 4 times if it was granted haste.

[@Welverin]

Majin Vegeta Funny you mention that, because those are another set of mechanics where one replace the other because the new mechanic represented how people actually played the original.

[@majinvegeta6364]

@Welverin Do you know who never played fading as though it were vanishing? The pro players he is basing these lists on.

[@nicholask7494]

how is inkwell not on this list?

[@BLHLF]

Nicholas K I guess it didn't get enough top 8s

[@NizzahonMagic]

Nicholas K He just missed the list with 5 points.

[@nicholask7494]

huh good to know

[@alphabetaomegainvestments3444]

Wooooo Friday

[@bobsuarez4364]

Solo el top 3 era respetable. Menuda castaña de cartas

[@xChikyx]

LIGHTNING GREAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ianoneal3543]

i could be wrong but i think blasterdoam can attk 3 times before going away

[@Asher85ification]

Bs where is Uril"

[@NizzahonMagic]

+Alex Sherman He doesn't have shroud

[@herringway434]

He has hexproof

[@emdub9679]

Autumn Willow best EDH general :L

[@acedemon3434]

DO TOP 10 MONGOOSEI MONGOOSES ????

[@NizzahonMagic]

Mongeese?

[@blaze556922]

Autumn Willow is a horrible card imo. Not even remotely playable anywhere, ever.

[@extraemontamontes3618]

I enjoy the introductions to be honest