MTG Top 10: Time Walks | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 150

[@vyggdrasil1631]

Time warp does do something special other walks can't do: it can give your opponent the extra turn instead. Why would you want that? Well, for the lulz, mostly

[@ich3730]

let them die to their own demonic pact 4head

[@Ratt_Piss]

Mill them to their last 2 cards then have them draw the last on an extra turn

[@JohnSmith-kc8mv]

actually no joke i play kami, of the crescent moon as my edh commander, and one time i had everyone drawing about 10 cards per turn plus forced frutition out, well i played black vice, targeted my friend and then i played time warp and made him go into and extra turn and black vice killed him....

[@taliesine.8343]

you can play redirect to get the turn yourself!

[@JalebJay]

Fun fact: Time Warp also requires everyone to dance when it is cast.

[@JakeyEpix]

"Top ten time walks: #1, Time Walk" o: wow you don't say?? Lmao

[@phillipmele8533]

I have to wonder why they gave Nexus the ability to recur. Seems like they were just inviting disaster with that

[@blakewilliams8148]

Ironically its so you can't recur it from the graveyard

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

Here's my theory: Nexus was printed at a time where Torrential Gearhulk was popular in standard, and they didn't want Nexus to be able to be milled into your graveyard and then flashed back by gearhulk, so they made it shuffle itself back into your library to nerf it.

[@EvanFarshadow]

MaRo still insists it should have exiled itself

[@phillipmele8533]

Yeah that’s the thing, Evan brought up the counterpoint to this weird reshuffle effect: it should’ve just exiled itself, exactly like Karn’s Temporal Sundering. It’d have still been powerful, for God’s sake it’s an instant-speed timewalk effect, but there was no need for it to go infinite.

[@Aliens1337]

Phillip Mele Especially with Teferi in standard. Once those two cards get going, it’s straight up oppressive to play against. But guess what? They gotta put in Wilderness Reclamation too!

[@CmdrUD87]

8:20 and less than a year after those words were uttered, they printed companions

[@EchoZeero]

I'm sad Magistrate's Scepter wasn't mentioned. I run it in a counter combo deck with Energy Chamber, Power Conduit and Coretapper, it's pretty efficient and can score infinite turns with enough cards on the board.

[@sirandrew82]

Nizzahon, if you could change up the way you score cards what changes might you make? (Adjust scores for legacy/vintage, different values for sideboard vs main board, cards worth more the more copies of it are ran in a deck?)

[@MoonlitRose101]

And now we have Alrund's Epiphany fucking destroying standard.

[@Jeramiahstool]

I wish modern wasn’t so expensive I’d love to play it

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

I did a Time Walk myself and am on my extra turn now. I have amassed lethal and am ready to ask, do a top 10 on vintage cards?

[@nemooceansoul1137]

i always called these time screws, and i loved combining any form of sorcery or instant variant with this effect with Panoptic Mirror: read infinite turns for me.

[@MrVariant]

Karn's temporal sundering is made for commander, especially kess where you can just discard it early game like with chart a course or faithless looting, and then summon kess and play this turn 6 if they don't kill your commander. Bouncing a card to hit twice is basically a double strike for everyone.

[@ldl1477]

Good 'ole Final Fortune. I remember using that card almost as much to bait out a counter spell, as actually wanting the extra turn.

[@kevinschmidt2967]

Was anyone completely not expecting emrakul? Lol

[@viviblue2329]

Kevin Schmidt yeah I love him but shame he is banned from being your commander

[@BarginsGalore]

@@viviblue2329 she was way too good. Pity you can't play her on your deck tho.

[@Triforcer]

A cool mention would have been the best time walk effect in commander is expropriate because of having multiple opponents

[@xarshoon7157]

until they all choose money

[@bubblecheese2506]

I loved Seedtime in Standard. It was sooooo good. Every Green deck had it in the sideboard.

[@williamwinder5011]

Illusion of choice + Expropriate + Twincast. For the relatively low-cost of 12 mana you get EIGHT extra turns.

[@matts2502]

Whether or not it meets your well thought out criteria, time walk is always #1

[@Volkain10]

I recently discovered your series over on aether hub and it's fascinating. Please do more soon! Would love to get a bigger insight on how the meta of magic evolved throughout the years. What were the top decks. What did wizards learn as they released sets? What archetypes emerged they never imagined? Dying for content here!

[@NizzahonMagic]

All stuff I am interested in doing at some point, but I am pretty maxed out on time I can spend on YT!

[@hitmangfx7162]

Final Fortune seems like a good pairing with Galvanic Relay. Storm for a shitload, toss in a cheap Timewalk effect, then you have like 20 cards worth of stuff to off your tapped out opponent next turn. Been watching Storm Squirrel vids in pauper lately and wondering how crazy it could get with more power behind it.

[@Bad_Moon_Rising]

My own time walk deck was fast green mana and lot of wurm cards like crush of wurms where you get 3 big green tokens and you could play it again from the graveyard. So Id have at least 5 or 6 6/6 creatures and id play my blue take 2 extra turns card next turn attack and play 5 or so more wurms either he blocks or dies . 2nd turn he cant block even more , he dies :) It took a lot to get rolling but it was so fun when it happened haha.

[@Timorio]

You're not talking about shrimp, buddy! TEM-por-uhl

[@sandwichboy1268]

Time counter time vault could also be used with proliferate, if it were still around.

[@aheathholcomb4214]

I’m a old when magic came out player..... I know that there is many ways 2 do this better.... but time walk, fork time walk and regrow time walk was classic ultimate fun then

[@Adam-tx3iq]

Watching this in 2021 gets funny in the part about Time Vault when you hear "they didn't errata anything since". Then you think about the companion mechanic lol

[@cot1579]

Everyone knows that when someone successfully plays Seedtime, you are about to see the biggest shit-eating grin in magic history. Immaculate feeling

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

You forgot the part where they erattad Time Vault again into this supremely absurd band of restrictions and counters that made it completely impossible to abuse. Then they did an article about how they were going to change it back only to reveal they erratad it AGAIN, which made the community mad (and was an infinite combo with Mizzium Transreliquat of all cards), and THEN they made it normal.

[@NizzahonMagic]

I did say cliffs notes!

[@christopherlundgren1700]

I totally forgot about the combo with Mizzium Transreliquat. I actually kind of forgot that was a card that existed.

[@jeffmassicott7186]

god these opening animations keep getting better and better. keep it up man!

[@NizzahonMagic]

I wish I could say it was me! It was my friend Mythic Tales Mike. He makes lots of sweet MTG animations. You can follow him on Twitter for more! twitter.com/mythictalesmike

[@racg174]

interestingly the block miracles deck didn’t play and deck manipulation effects just draw spells and miracles. possibly the only deck to ever play miracles as they were intended. well almost, you could think twice on your opponents turn to instant speed miracle them but it was still chance.

[@andreychen6523]

8:16 ....companion. This happened. Future was a dark timeline.

[@theDeadcellspawn]

Time Warp is still a little different than Time Walk. The spell can be targeted at another player or worse.. redirected to someone else. Temporal Manipulation is the one that is Time Walk for 5

[@williamoldaker5348]

If you compare something like Growth Spiral to Time Walk, you still play a land and draw a card. Does most things Time Walk does just sorta weaker.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Haha a lot weaker. The whole "turn" thing is a massive difference.

[@ruben1151]

If time vault says "To untap it you MUST skip a turn" then how do you untap it w/o that. Assuming specific Trump's general, I'd think any card that simply untaps shouldn't work given this is a more specific wording.

[@MaxPwnzer]

Voltaic Key, Clock of Omens, literally anything that says "Untap target artifact". It's an older card, so the wording is weird.

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

I really want the banned/restricted list to come back, it's a great series with interesting insights.

[@EvanFarshadow]

Final Fortune attached to Isochron Scepter with Sundial of the Infinite is fun

[@The_Nerd_King]

No chance for glory? Thats the boros time walk!

[@makotoxchihiroyaoifangirl8409]

That is on the top 10 worst time walk spells video.

[@quintoncrewell8351]

Sitting here with my edh Animatou the Fateshifter deck and see Temporal Mastery like 👀

[@80budokai]

Awesome video! Enjoy your weekend! 💯🙏🙌

[@phantomthunderclap975]

Hey! I didn't know Squee, the Immortal was mentioned on flavor text (and on a blue card.)

[@chrisquint3656]

I still like the creature that needs blessing and goes to the bottom of your deck... I pulled off an infinite with him and tezzerets ultimate

[@MegaHunterstar]

How does one reanimate Emrakul? Doesn't it have to be shuffled in your deck ?

[@damienresendez]

I would assume trigger on the stack.

[@vachesschamp07]

Sage of Hours + Ezuri, Claw of Progress is the best Time Walk.

[@stuartblevins891]

Fun fact about temporal mastery: you're allowed to cast it for its miracle cost even if you draw it on your opponent's turn.

[@JonaxII]

Just like every miracle card, most prominent example being Terminus

[@midnalight6419]

nexus is probably #3 or so by now

[@Redfoxe]

I hope you can find time to talk about the banned and restricted cards one day :)

[@stevenbennett6598]

Beacon of Tomorrows is a good one.

[@williamemery91]

I know you are basing this off of tournament wins... but Time Stretch is still my favorite! Granted I wouldn't play it in anything but Commander.

[@copyright5863]

timeshifter is the best extra turns card :D repeatable and Random!. Nothing funner then trying to figure outs whos turn it is when extra turns stack on extra turns :D Like get more then one in play, then you need to start tracking the stacked turn orders that are waiting to take place in case they get destroyed; And if you don't get the next extra turn from timeshifter , play something like Time Warp to get the next turn, thus pushing the other players extra turn to the stack. And once your new upkeep triggers a new timeshifter triggers. Etc etc :D. One of my best old decks runs Timeshifters and Kaboom!s to win :D; its dumb and people hate it, so don't play it more then once in a while

[@Dookieryan]

Didn’t temporal mastery also get a standard championship? In alexander Hayes’ miracles deck?

[@NizzahonMagic]

Yup. Just the 1, though

[@Dookieryan]

@@NizzahonMagic I thought so. It just wasnt listed on the result so I thought I may have been crazy haha

[@EvanFarshadow]

PLEASE do top 10 goblins soon!

[@NizzahonMagic]

Already did.

[@ghostlyjester9134]

Emrakul plus veldelken orry pls widerness reclamation and hydroid krasis, nexus of fate teferi planeswaller, fog, creature that tap for mana ......etc. add more cancer/amazing cards here (depending on how u see it ). With sol ring i dont know if this would make a good commander deck one thing i do know is none of the above cards would i want as my commander i need a 4 maybe 3 cost creature that pulls land or does something woth lands as an alternative win condition. For anyone who is some how not familiar with commander the creature that is my commander must be legendary and i at minimum would like them to have 3 maybe 4 toughness

[@cjsecluded8313]

Why is Final Fortune on the top ten best, but the Boros verison, for 1 mana more with pan-Indestructibility, is in the top ten worst? Was it never used in a tournament

[@stevenburton7725]

Every color, except white has a card on this list, including colorless. White does get screwed over on effects that every other color has had.

[@NizzahonMagic]

It is hard to think of how to make a time walk effect flavorful in White.

[@RespectYourViews]

@@NizzahonMagic Looking at existing cards...... give opponent the extra turn and gain 10 life. for 1W. A little more on point: Make an enchantment that forces opponents to pay x mana/life each upkeep or end their turn.

[@SSCRicci]

What's the song in the end Called?

[@Lovuschka]

Wait. Time Walk is the best Time Walk. No big surprise!

[@georgem7502]

What about Emrakul and 'you control your opponent's next turn' which may be more powerful? Certainly is more tilting.

[@ikrena4701]

The promised end really isn't more powerful at all, seeing as how the aeons torn does a lot of extra stuff on top of the extra turn effect while the promised end just...doesn't. Besides, the promised end doesn't even qualify for the list

[@peewee130946]

ikrena it is because you can actually cast it the issue with big mama emrakul is she’s 15 mana which is insane but yea her ability dosent count at all since it’s not really you taking an extra turn

[@ikrena4701]

@@peewee130946 in the decks the aeons torn was played in, 15 mana was entirely achievable. The promised end's mindslaver ability is nowhere near as good as an extra turn + annihilator + protection

[@peewee130946]

ikrena well considering you can turn 6 an emrakul the aeons torn then yes it is

[@peewee130946]

ikrena the deck had 3 standard top 8s stop it

[@cuzinevil1]

I've been getting pretty good success with Magistrate's Scepter in a proliferate deck, turn 5 kill or less.

[@NizzahonMagic]

In what format?

[@cuzinevil1]

@@NizzahonMagic That's a good question, I built it long before formats were a thing. It's a Simic built with mostly artifacts centered around creating and moving charge counters.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Magistrate's Scepter came out in Urza's Saga, and Proliferate is from Scars of Mirrodin. Formats have been a thing in Magic since 1996.

[@cuzinevil1]

@@NizzahonMagic I guess it would be a legacy deck although I've only played the deck with my local group. (I live a 1000 miles from anywhere) It's crushed all but very fast sly's and artifact removal decks. Qualifier: I've never played in a GP or any other competition other than my LGS.

[@The_Nerd_King]

The original time walk should become standard again. And Emrakul should come back to commander!👍

[@Jeramiahstool]

Kappa

[@mattsmith457]

Hey what’s your outro song, it’s really good

[@CascadeHope]

Out of curiosity... what would #10 be, if Time Walk was excluded from the list?

[@NizzahonMagic]

Notorious Throng.

[@PessimisticSkeptic]

Sick vid Niz!

[@raynmanshorts9275]

Nexus of Fate is months away from rotating out. If they were going to ban it in Standard, they would have by now.

[@NizzahonMagic]

That's what you would think, but Reflector Mage was banned a few months away from rotation.

[@aquilesvailo4786]

Time Vault + Paradox Engine = GG

[@Ratt_Piss]

Over 150? We need a top 10 top 10s

[@michaelmalin6891]

Unless I'm missing something, emrakul is literally non-reanimatable. It's a shuffle titan.

[@NizzahonMagic]

If you do it at instant speed in response to trigger, it works.

[@delespinasse]

Why did you put Final Fortune on Top Ten, and Chances for Glory on Whorst Ten? That was realy weirdo.

[@poopdascoop4797]

Wait, why was final fortune on this list but chance for glory was on the worst 10? they are essentially the same card except Glory costs one more & give your creatures indestructable

[@ryanburkett949]

Worst 10 is his opinion and top 10 is based on numbers.

[@devantemelendez]

For time vault couldn’t they just say can only be untapped by skipping your turn. It’s a magic vault of time, it makes the rules.

[@toktokk666]

seedtime is insane. it's instant speed?!

[@BlackwoodCompany]

I wonder why Beacon of Tomorrows, Chance for Glory, and Time Sieve are not on the list.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Cause they suck, mostly.

[@ChrisMikeThomas]

Can you please stop your videos from tripling their sound at the end? It makes absolutely no sense and is incredibly frustrating. You speak in a consistent level the whole video, then at the end it gets REALLY LOUD for like three seconds for absolutely no reason... please no. Great videos aside from that.

[@getsomebud]

ChrisMikeThomas This man speaks the truth. Watch your audio levels there bud.

[@Tuyangtudai]

only card i know that got errata and changed the card alot is lifeline from ursas saga : link with the card showing the orginal text gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lifeline i think its a huge change to a card from only your graveyard to all players

[@louisherman5984]

I'm surprised Notorious Throng isn't on here. What's worse than a bunch of fairy tokens and an extra turn to hit your opponent with them?

[@YesIAmThatCoolBitch]

2 narrow

[@NizzahonMagic]

It has one point. So it was close.

[@rickyhurst2653]

Beacon of Tomorrows is easy to infinitely loop. Don't know why it was never abused. 😂😂😂😂

[@ViolenceisJustice]

Because Beacon of tomorrows had no correct shell during fifth dawn standard and is much harder to build a deck around because you can still counter or discard it and then it's gone forever while Nexus shuffles back in the library

[@darthparallax5207]

Errata as radically rules-changing as Time Vault happened again to fix Companion.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Didn't go through nearly as many crazy phases, though.

[@darthparallax5207]

@@NizzahonMagic lol no, not as many phases that's true, but I do think it was just as shocking news and was really significant to the community and made them think something very out of normalness and rare was happening, so i can't think of any comparison to make to it besides Time Vault. if i'm remembering correctly you made this video before Lurrus got banned so i'm just suggesting this is a news update ''oh and then Lurrus happened'' starting to understand why MaRo says ''Never say Never.....you'll jinx it!''

[@jonathanpine9253]

My boi seed time is on here😍😍

[@warpgamer9055]

didn't you say the boros time walk was bad because it kills you after you take the next turn?

[@GoblinmasterYT]

Continuing the ban list when you have the *TIME*???? Please say that was intended. Love the videos

[@NizzahonMagic]

Yeah I wish I could cast Time Walk on life.

[@chrismcclain426]

F**k Nexus of Fate. I dont mind losing, I just hate being bored out of my mind while I am doing it.

[@michaelcollins4534]

Its absurd to me that cards with effects this broken even made it to print

[@christianmiller4422]

Nice content. I am a new sub by the way.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Welcome!

[@melvinfz0301]

Timestream Navigator :P

[@FayeBae69]

Lighthouse Chronologist :P

[@Gashnaw]

Where is expropriate?

[@DoctorChuck]

Maybe I'm just posting on old videos but I don't understand why Final Fortune can be good enough to make top 4 but Chance For Glory is considered stone cold unplayable.

[@bluegum6438]

Extra turn >>> extra combat phase

[@musicjax]

wizards has done a lot of power level errata that they did away with

[@NizzahonMagic]

Like?

[@musicjax]

Nizzahon Magic magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/power-level-errata-b-gone-2006-07-14

[@philipp6728]

No time sieve? Time sieve + pitiless plunderer + champion of stray souls = infinite turns

[@NizzahonMagic]

I know right? And it is only an extremely fragile 3-card combo!

[@nexuszunkar754]

Kinda disappointed that temporal trespass wasnt on here whatever🤷‍♂️

[@williamoldaker5348]

Are we your captive audience or that you continue to feed new content to your fans is you that is captive to your audience??

[@NewSuicideSociety]

Final Fortune is the 4th best time walk card but you put change for glory as one of the worst? oh come on, the boros legion is pretty disappointed now...

[@dozzayeet7412]

Nexus of fate + Teferi is aids in standard and Nexus should've never be printed

[@ethan6287]

Cool, thanks for your eloquent thoughts on the card

[@traviskaandorp171]

a friend of mine used to play a disgusting combo with stitch in time and thousand year storm... i remember none of those games fondly.

[@patrickstreetet3085]

Time sieve

[@cspeeds96]

Whoooo

[@allamerican9421]

Boooo!!! Yay for Wurms vol. 2!!! ❤️ :D

[@hydracollector3588]

Its impossible to reanimate enrakul. The card shuffle itself from grave.

[@NizzahonMagic]

You can do it with instant speed reanimation spells like Goryo's Vengenace. You do it in response to the trigger.

[@hydracollector3588]

@@NizzahonMagic thanks for thr info. I didn't know that was possible.

[@christopherlundgren1700]

@@hydracollector3588 Some creatures truly can't be reanimated because they have replacement effects. The key thing to look out for is the word "instead." Cards like Darksteel Colossus or Progenitus say if it would be put into a graveyard, shuffle it back into its owner's library INSTEAD. That means it never makes it to the graveyard so there's never a chance to use a reanimation spell. Since Emrakul the Aeon's Torn, or other similar cards like Worldspine Wurm don't say instead, they're just regular triggers, which mean you can respond to them with any instant effects. Shallow Grave, Miraculous Recovery, Makeshift Mannequin, etc. are all ways you can pop those cards into play before the shuffle trigger happens.

[@hydracollector3588]

@@christopherlundgren1700 thats is a great explanation. Thanks very much for this much info. I appreciate and make good use of that.

[@Phreezer]

It’s telling to the state of the game that there even are 10 time walk effects. It’s even more telling that the color with the most representation on the list gets to literally do everything else with minimal downside.

[@jordangreene7952]

Games 25 years old with 50000+ cards it's got at least 10 effects of everything

[@MehrGills]

not all ones that were good enough for play in constructed

[@comradecameron3726]

Phreezer every color has downsides. I don’t care to explain them all but each color has its weakness

[@Dragon-eu8cb]

I hate people like you who think blue is the best color even when it is tyed among green/blue and black.

[@cowisiontv6611]

Yeah, blue does everything else with no downsides? Like removal, right? Or dealing with artifacts? Or enchantements? Blue is very good at dealing with threats before they enter the board, once they hit the battlefield every color is literally better

[@DogginsFroggins]

Honestly don't think this mechanic should exist, it's straight bullshit. Why would you put this in an interactive game, I can't really see a reason.

[@ich3730]

every major tcg has extra turn mechanics tho, so you seem to be alone on this one xD

[@DogginsFroggins]

@@ich3730 I don't really see a card being there as a good justification. Resource destruction is also there in EDH but most playgroups will shun you if you play it consistently.

[@corvoattano6765]

With Magic you can still ineract with them even if they keep getting extra turn you just have to keep mana up to interact, and i get it you think it shouldnt be possible to take an extra turn but also this is a game where you can turn 2 get a 10 power prime time with double strike swinging.

[@phillipmele8533]

I mean, counterspells exist. The issue with Time Walk effects is making sure they have a significant up-front investment so that you have to spend a majority of a turn getting that free turn, so that it comes to having something like 1 and 1/2 turns.

[@TheSquareOnes]

@@phillipmele8533 This, counterspells and other instant speed interactions allow Magic to get away with printing effects that might seem insane in other systems but that are actually quite reasonable in practice. At best you could argue that the poor allocation of effects into the color pie is rather unbalanced (for the example of this specific issue, blue is realistically the only color that gets both the problematic effect and the answer to it) but that's an entirely different issue, there's nothing wrong with appropriately costed extra turn effects themselves.

[@treasureberry7154]

Emrakul's total score should be 48 not 46 because 34 + 14 is 48

[@Dragon-eu8cb]

Great maths

[@haydoge]

First to claim first!

[@mikelong2756]

Omni-science, omni science. It's Not omnischenche. Omg that is something I can't help but say. Did you ever play ff7? Clouds move omnipotent or whatever it is. Just pronounce it correctly please lol. That is all thanks for the content

[@NizzahonMagic]

Hate to break it to you, but I pronounce omniscient correctly. You don't. EDIT: Though i guess if you're British your way is close. Even then it is omni see-uns, not "science."

[@martianmilfhunter6229]

Honorable Mentions: - Expropriate - Sage of Hours - Timestop - Mindslaver (kinda^^) And the card which shall defeat them all; UGINS NEXUS !!

[@martianmilfhunter6229]

@itzshade and itzzw Edh excluded, maybe? Saw expropriate much play outside Commander? Oo