Commander Clash S4 Episode 5: CMC Tribal

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hey everyone! Just wanted to let you know that your feedback is being heard. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings.

[@georgeogilvie-russell5967]

MTGGoldfish thanks for addressing the concerns, I think the thing everyone is actually asking for in their complaints is 4 hour long 4 player mono red mono random

[@pynky633]

MTGGoldfish thanks for listening to the feedback that everyone gives. Though I really hope that doesn't stop you guys from having fun playing the way you would like.

[@mevalia]

If she makes me laugh once I will. She is always completly off.

[@tylergoerlich9494]

Here is an idea for next week. Build a deck from modern (budget manabase) and have fun!

[@TheAustinacid]

Hey mtggoldfish is is possible to see shard based decks like esper based pm artifacts naya on it's creatures stuff like that

[@rexdogobrown8055]

You all are Awesome, Thank you for everything. I watch most of your vids and i just have to say i dont think i wont keep watching your awesome commander games and the against the odds. Again thank you for everything you all dont get enought love for what you do for us.

[@quincybriley4113]

The hatred Jennifer gets seems pretty extreme most of the time and I don't get it. But I will say this. Knowing everyone taps out to expedite things, running winter orb is a pretty shitty thing to do

[@SmartAlec1]

I don't like hating on these guys, but this was an already shitty theme, and Jennifer already had an obscene advantage by choosing 2, but she freaking TAXES everyone else? They are already spending too much for their spells.

[@kpatterson14206]

She plays really spikey combo decks all the time, which is completely against the theme of the series. Then in a CMC tribal she plays 2 CMC stax/taxes.....

[@kingfuzzy2]

Meh it's fine if it helps a deck or there's ways for other players to play around it

[@TheMrEM4N]

What's MTGGoldfishes game philosophy with this series? Feels like the personalities on the field aren't all on the same page when it comes to making an entertaining game for viewers to watch. I used to look forward to these videos every week and now I can't even finish watching them anymore. Edit: I'd encourage the team to focus more on producing a fun interactive environment that people would be interested in watching. There's an unspoken rule of gamesmanship at my playgroup where we realize winning isn't the real motivator to playing magic, winning is just a perk. The real fun is sitting down with 3 other people for a game of commander and enjoying our time. If someone at my table isn't having fun because the cards aren't on their side that night and we don't have time for another game I've never had a problem announcing how I would of won and then passing the turn to let the other players enjoy their deck. Even if their future play ends up winning the game I could care less because the wins not really important; it's the camaraderie of playing together that I value.

[@Dudldom]

Couldn't agree more. If you play commander because you want to win, you miss the whole point. It feels great losing when awesome stuff happens in the game. It feels aweful winning when nobody stood a chance. And picking on the one person that has absolutely no board is so unbelievably lame. You know how it is being that person? You might as well not play. Is that really what you want to accomplish?

[@tylergoldner1406]

Seth I want u back

[@itsthegamingram]

Thank you Tomer for being the better person and “blaming” the bad draw instead of calling it what it really was.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Very wholesome tomer as always

[@nivmizzet2022]

"I feel bad he hasn't done anything." Followed by an execution. It felt disingenuous when Jen would argue she was doing it for the card draw, or that she didn't want to but what choice did she have. Tomer got shafted this game, and he was last pick with his CMC. Almost like the other players knew higher cmc would be unplayable.

[@Cangaroombi]

I believe a 1 cmc Rhys deck would have been playable. Most of the good elves are 1cmc and Glimpse does also cost 1.

[@nivmizzet2022]

Zumbo you would be missing all the lords, priest of titania, token generation. Im pretty sure it would have been better, but there only so much he could have done.

[@Cangaroombi]

There are LOTS of token generators at 1 (single token generators like Legion's Landing, Oviya Pashiri or Wurmcalling, but also multiple tokens ones like: Alliance of Arms, Gelatinous Genesis, Launch the Fleet, Sylvan Offering and the great Secure the Wastes). There are also lot of other overall strong cards: Sol Ring, Sword to Plowshare, Path, Green Sun's Zenith, Serra ascendant, Enlightened/ Wordly Tutor and so on... EDIT: Oh! I was forgetting the absolutely broken Skullclamp, especially in a token deck. See? I have already laid the basis to a very good elfball/token deck without much thought.

[@tomjackal5708]

Wow! Cool 3-player Commander game guys!

[@Volvary]

Commander Clash idea: Artist Tribal

[@TheRealWormbo]

Very fitting with the Unstable release, considering Unhinged had an artist-matters subtheme.

[@tomerabramovici32]

Artist Tribal is something on our very short list of themes to do soon.

[@k98killer]

For any other Commander Clash fans looking for a series closer to the fun and casual gameplay that inspired us at the beginning of this series, I recommend SCG's Commander VS.

[@HanannieOSRS]

k98killer 110% agree... I have watched every episode and it is fantastic, the 2 player commander Vs is good but the 4 player is the BEST commander games on KZbin I have been able to find

[@Grimpo96]

30 minutes, that’s including the intro and everything before we have our first knock out. I love this series. Much like most of the people in the comment section, I’ve been here since the first season. Recently, I’ve no longer looked forward to seeing these videos. Most of the people here have already stated what I would have about the content. Bad choices, bad showmanship, bad understanding of how this should play out. Tomer, you’re a good sport. Don’t lose your way.

[@tomerabramovici32]

I'm seeing a lot of the same posts so I'll try to address the comments: Jennifer was justified in killing me. She is a 2 CMC deck lacking card advantage. If my deck stabilizes, board wipes or just plays enough big things, her deck won't keep up. She knew that and played correctly. It's not her fault I got mana screwed. As for my deck, lots of people think it didn't have a chance, but honestly I think if we played more games my deck was the favorite to win. Yes it's slow but my deck has 22 cards that can be tossed in the graveyard for a turn 4 Tasigur and 41 lands + 4 landcyclers + other cyclers to make sure I'm hitting land drops all the way to turn 6. I'm also running many board wipes to reset the board and then get ahead with my bigger cards. I wrote a full description here: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/813442#paper I shouldn't have been greedy and cycled a land. I was setting up an early Tasigur. Unfortunately I then drew 0 lands and got my graveyard exiled twice. It was really bad draws. It happens.

[@atmaximum]

Tomer Abramovici I think the problem with Jen in general isn't that she played correctly or not, it's that she doesn't play for the fun. I'm sure it was the right move, but sometimes you shouldn't take it.

[@Volvary]

It's not about her being right or not, Tomer. Week after week, she is always bringing decks that are spikey. For every theme, she always brings the strongest, most unfair deck. Rhonas? Infect. CMC? 2-drops hate bear, first time she is in the series? Reanimator w/ Praetors. I don't often say that but I seriously can't watch those weeks. A lot of people have been complaining about how unfun her decks are and I think it's time you guys realize people are not just picking on her.

[@Bryan-T]

Thank you for the response Tomer. I agree, she played her deck as she should have. I hope you'll give that deck another run, whether on CC or just in a pub game. I'd like to see it in action. @Volvary - I agree, she is a spike and when it comes to ffa commander that's frowned upon by most. I'm sure the other guys know this and it's probably why she's often killed first.

[@UTUB2kholle]

Thank you for trying to bring some sense in here. The Tom and Jen bashing is sometimes going too far. Can't wait to see the 6cmc deck in action again some day :D

[@bosstsuna114]

Tomer Abramovici sometimes min max players look kind of mean even though they see it as disrespectful if they don't play to the decks fullest potential. Like ur treating the others like they aren't worthy of your full power.

[@michaelburchill8181]

Just going to say that I know what it's like to have a good deck and be hated off the table before I get to play magic,so I feel your pain Tomer. I do want to see an unrestricted version of Tom's deck sometime though, looked spicy. Glad to see Richard doing what he does best. All in all it was a 7/10 for me guys, keep up the good work.

[@quincybriley4113]

I knew, before even getting to Tom, he'd pick 3 drops. Cultivate and kodama's reach. Enough said

[@end-er_1023]

I enjoy your games. From what I see Tom wins unleas he's relentlessly attacked or someone dominates. Jen tends to lose unless she has aggressive decks. Tomer you focus to much on your strategy or plans. Richard who is becoming my favorite just has fun.

[@Skagara]

I am very glad to see Richard back he has been my favorite commander player in this series. I feel as though he always has a deck that is not only on theme but just fun. He wins with the stupidest decks and i feel like it works because of his good politics and the fact that you think "Okay but like that deck cant win right?" And then he wins with mono green spell slinger. I know that Saffron olive also known as seth is busy and cant make it but i think those were the games i enjoyed the most, Tomer, Tom, Seth, Richard. You had an aggro player, the control, the combo, and i mean just Richard how do you explain that. I appreciate you bringing in new people and helping to make it more diverse and love watching your videos. Keep up the good work those are just my thoughts from someone who doesnt play commander due to no cards and just enjoys watching.

[@braddalrymple8615]

I just can't enjoy this game with toner getting knocked out so early 😢

[@berserkermongoose]

Had Jen played the Winter Orb earlier( especially once Dowsing Dagger flipped), we could've seen a much faster and mercifully much more painless to watch game.

[@tmlrules2]

well we all know what time tom wakes up in the morning :P

[@TastySnackies]

I thought it said "5 CMC Tribal" and I got really excited.

[@maxbloomfield540]

Bogging Tomer's yard so he can't even cast a spell.... seems familiar... almost like countering a boundless realms *coughcough*

[@lindzeesouperocd7558]

This shit is getting harder and harder to watch...

[@saiyangoomba1244]

Slightly upset no one used a 1 drop zurgo deck :(

[@joshuafrary3486]

Saiyan Goomba Forget Zurgo, it's all about Norin!

[@GeorgeMaj15]

I think you guys should do another competitive commander so Jen can really shine :) it's clear she likes playing powerful stuff so let's see some powerful plays in commander clash!

[@ExKiwi-yw8er]

This is a really cool restriction, although it messed up tomer a lil much. I'd like to see more weird stuff like this. Except maybe let more than one person have the same cmc next time.

[@MrShinyObject]

Yikes. I think everything in this video made sense, but it still hurt to watch. 1. Jen needed to be aggressive, because if she can't keep up, she's left with the weakest cards out of the group. 2. The precinct captain specifically encouraged her to attack. 3. Ludevic also encouraged attacking. 4. If Tomer just went land -> massacre worm, Jen would basically instantly lose the game, and as a mono-white deck her only answer is to kill him. 5. No one could attack Tom because then they wouldn't draw a card, no one would attack Richard because no mercy, and no one could attack into Jen. 6. Tomer knew FULL WELL what he was getting in to. This was his choice, and he accepted his fate. So basically, attacking Tomer was not only the only choice, it was actively a good decision. It draws you cards, gets you tokens, doesn't kill your stuff, and prevents the player with the most powerful cards from stabilizing. It was all correct, it was just very sad.

[@yieldmotherculture]

My only problem with this game was Jenn giving away the game. She should have realized that a non-lethal attack on Richard would end the game for her. Also, she should have taken out No Mercy 100% with that Quarantine Field. The Bloodline Keeper was under a Phyrexian Revoker, and Richard had no attacks. She just gave it all away!

[@davemeyer4392]

I personally feel that though there's a lot of hate going around, I respect Jen's deck choice. I know I've done this sort of thing before. That said, maybe you guys could... I don't know, run a practice game or two so that if someone's deck is super unfun, they can tone it down a bit? Idk, just my 2 cents. I love a good aggro deck, but it's no fun to see really cool ideas hated out by spikey decks. Maybe limit those types of builds to games where it's specified that you're being super competitive. Otherwise, it was good fun, I just wish I coulda seen what Tomer was up to.

[@mariofisher6340]

nice desktop tom looking at it makes me want to play the 2 over lords.

[@Manndar]

Hehehe... King My Car deck.

[@lucarioman9097]

RICHARD IS THE TRIBAL KING!

[@HanannieOSRS]

LucarioMan 909 LONG LIVE RICHARD THE GREAT!!!!

[@worms35]

I don't agree with the x spells if you're going to do CMC tribal. Jen got so much mileage from return to the ranks and quarantine field it was effectively like playing 8 and 10 mana spells and ensures you don't fall off late game which should be the downside of a 2 cmc deck.

[@joshuafrary3486]

Love the vids guys and gal! Theme idea time. Since Wizards re-did the Planeswalker rule, maybe do a Planeswalker Tribal for everyone? If needed maybe toss the budget for an episode to do it or slightly increase the budget cap? It'd be Super friends with the super friends!

[@hydra66]

do I abandon this before it starts? I'm not convinced the stipulation will lead to entertaining decks to watch

[@CodenameJD]

I think this was a fine concept in theory - certainly interesting as a deck building restriction, but far less interesting as a play restriction, mostly for what happened to Tomer but also for taking out pretty much all surprise. But someone getting taken out without getting a chance to play with well over half the game left? That's not fun. I'm not sure how much it comes down to play decisions, such as that land Tomer cycled early on, or how much he was attacked, but the fact is it really isn't enjoyable to watch, and naturally wouldn't be fun for him to play. Honestly, while I think some of your theme week ideas are cute and quirky, I think they can at times detract from the best part about commander, building a deck with combos and synergies that couldn't happen in another format. They can work incredibly, like Richard's mono green instants deck. But if a player ever feels while deck building that they can really only pull together a pile of good cards, it might be worth scrapping that theme all together. One way this could work is if one week each player were secretly given a unique deck building restriction, without the other players knowing what the restriction is.

[@Rococorico]

I don't think anyone played incorrectly here, but it doesn't mean it's any easier to watch. This episode just wasn't so entertaining. One person being hated out early, the vast imbalance and even the locks played (specially No Mercy) are just aggravating factors of an overall dull game: not much talking or joking, no funny edits, no excitement, no surprises. Not anyone's fault in particular, but that doesn't make it any better.

[@Seuration]

Honestly, Jennifer could have won if she had gone g/w and chose Gaddock Teeg as her commander. Would have opened up green for Voice of Resurgence, Aquastrand Spider to give her bolstered creatures reach, Naturalize for that pesky No Mercy (That if she had Gaddock out couldn't have been cast anyway), , Dromoka's Command for uitilty, Cream of the Crop for ultimate deck thinning, Evolutionary Leap to pull creatures out of her deck, combine that with Cryptolith Rite and it could be tap a token for green, sac it to evolutionary leap, get good creature to cast to anafenza, bolster 1. :P Anyway, Just loved this episode. Keep up the good work.

[@andrewland778]

I've watched every episode of commander clash and always look forward to them. They are amusing fun, and a great way to spend an hour or more However I have been enjoying these more recent episodes far less then any of the older ones. I don"t want to sound like every other person who wrote in the comments about being annoyed about Jen and her decks, but unfortunately thats exactly what I'm going to do. Its not having decks geared more toward winning , its having decks that do it in a way the diminishes from the whole idea of fun casual commander with random restriction built in for amusement. Jen is never wrong per say, she builds good decks, stays on theme and can be amusing; however overall she just seems to take more away than she brings. Its also that it happens consistently. It is starting to feel like this happens every week even if it doesn't. That it does occur regularly for this perception to had though should say something. As should the fact that over half the videos you post have Tomer posting a comment to explain whatever happened away. I hope you guys read this, other viewers are welcome to post in response I would be interested to hear other perspectives. Note: this is my opinion, and I do not expect everyone to agree with me, however there are enough other people also expressing the same feelings that I dont believe its a "just me" sort of thing. Again: this is merely my view on the matter, not fact or the end all be all answer.

[@crzrainz]

i hope toms running a trinisphere for flavor

[@EffinChat]

crz rainz can you imagine if he was and someone geared their deck for 1CMC burn? It would have been hilarious

[@TheWickedWeenie]

Oh boy another episode of Archenemy!

[@SmartAlec1]

I think the archenemy forgot to get scheme cards, or anything that makes an archenemy threatening.

[@Delgotto]

Soooo, Tom gets salty when people attack him for "no reason" or there are better targets but could care less that Tomer is getting focused out even though he is nowhere near a threat? Check. Sounds like Tom just likes to complain.

[@williamgrace7676]

Chase Jent I mean, I don’t blame Tom for getting upset cuz nobody likes to be hated out of a game but I think this shows how great of a guy Tomer is

[@TheWickedWeenie]

William Grace Tomer takes loses like a champion I wouldn't even play with a group that focuses me the way they randomly focus Tomer sometimes.

[@JakobLogan]

TheWickedWeenie Yeah, Tomer is a good loser, part of the reason I like watching him is because he has a pleasant attitude a majority of times, even when he's bring ganged up on

[@MrShinyObject]

Tomer was a threat. If he plays a land and masacre wurm/a wrath/any titan, then does the same next turn, he could easily win. His cards are just stronger than any one else's in a vacuum.

[@TheEclip6]

Been saying for weeks Tom has had attitude problems that shouldn't be on the show. Guy just doesn't care to fix them.

[@roujin518]

Honestly Tomer should have just played 1 CMC Tribal. There is a sweet G/W tokens build you can run off of Rhys the Redeemed. Plus it gives you access to all the X/g spells and a lot of the white control spells. Just a thought though.

[@indolent87]

At 43:00 I was sure you were going to play 2 games since this one looked pretty straightforward. Richard is a real Magic:ian!

[@TheCardq]

I feel like 3CMC would probably be the most competitive if this became an actual format, a lot of good equipment is at 3, and it high enough that you can have lords and self pump abilities, but low enough you can play quickly, and reasonably expect to take more than 1-2 actions per turn. Additionally, it’s common enough that you can get good tribal support from larger tribes, for instance, there are something like 35 vampire in mardu colors at 3CMC, with Martha’s being a solid commander for politics.

[@ZielonyJablo]

Guys, two words: never again. Maybe try to draft sets/planes of magic - and you could play only cards only from choosen ones?

[@MrZerodaim]

Hey Tomer, I know I'm late to the party so you probably won't read this, but Ramos, Dragon Engine could have been a better choice of commander for 6 drop tribal. You would then be able to use Krosan Verge as extra ramp, as well as Sunbird's Invocation to double down on your 6 drops, some planewalkers like Elspeth, cards like Farm//Market, Start//Finish and Hour of Revelations that can be cast for cheaper. Also your land base could really have used Ancient Tomb and Temple of the False God for the extra ramp. With a bit more basics, Terrain Generator would've been great too.

[@martinskullerud2195]

Just to counterbalance all the haters, let me say that I really enjoyed this video, like 95% of all MTGGoldfish content. Don't listen to the haters, Magic is a competitive game. If people just want to watch everyone durdle together and make combos, they should play Sentinels of the Multiverse.

[@Thecalebpoe]

Not choosing to exile the No Mercy was a huuuuggeeee punt. Still a great episode.

[@EffinChat]

I feel bad for Tomer... even though it was probably the right play to take him out of the game before he stabilized and started resolving haymakers every turn, it just sounded like he wasn't having any fun at all. I've played against alara lock decks and had more fun. Anyway, if I was playing CMC tribal with his choices (2,3,and 4 taken), I'd probably go for a red burn-like strategy or G/W value/plus one plus one counters/mana sinks at 1CMC or try and force bad 5CMC combos like conspiracy/turntimber ranger and a bunch of bad tutors. Also, cheeky and clever of Tom to use partner commanders to get him some more colour choices in his cmc

[@SmartAlec1]

Who would make what is already the cheapest deck in terms of CMC a deck that makes everyone else's deck more expensive? Thalia's powerful, but it's fair because it's everyone's non creature spell. This just felt like it used the rules to a sleazy advantage. I knew that this week would be garbage after hearing the theme, but Thalia is just pouring salt in the wound. All you're missing is Strip MIne and Tectonic Edge. And of course poor Tomer didn't have enough lands for a SIX MANA TRIBAL deck, why dude? 41 is usually a lot but this is basically a ramp deck that can't ramp, you'll need to make half your deck lands at least, maybe even sixty. Lands are probably never going to be useless draws in this deck since you can only play one spell a turn after the sixth one, and then you'll play two a turn by the twelth. Oh gahd this was a garbage fire of an episode. Cute idea, but it sounded bad right from the git go.

[@leshiart9427]

Wow. You guys just picked on Tomer and he only casted one spell. Pretty savage. Might as well have tectonic edged him.

[@TheRealWormbo]

Tomer picked 6-drops over 5-drops or 1-drops, though.

[@Kettwiesel25]

and he chose to cycle that land t3 for no reason.

[@totalcoward]

Kettwiesel25 the land cycling t3 didn’t actually effect the game. While he would have had one more land on the field, he would have been down one draw meaning that he still wouldn’t have had the mana needed to cast anything before he died.

[@Kettwiesel25]

Hard to say that this easily darren, I mean I don't know if and when they would have chosen to Bojuka Bog him if he didn't cycle, but as it stands, he could have cast Tasigur one turn earlier by fetching eot t5. That being said, he could have done that anyway and didn't, so another punt there.

[@DoctorCataclysm]

They obviously had the bogs waiting for him early on. Dropping two bogs on him when he was having mana problems was really shitty. At least he could've delved out his commander and tried to get the ball rolling. Sometimes doing the "right play" isn't the fun play.

[@mmlgamer]

I would argue that Oloro is a better choice given this particular theme. Tasigur alone isn't going to hold off an army of 2-3 cmc creatures, but the lifegain could help tide you over until you get to turn 6. Also, how many MORPH CARDS are you running, Tomer? Also, I didn't see Ancient Tomb or Temple of the False God in this deck. Temple of the False God would be hands down your best land, since any other fifth land would be almost useless.

[@tomerabramovici32]

Oloro might have been better yeah. Passive lifegain is great, and White gives me more sweepers, though I intentionally didn't want to go overboard with board wipes; I think we recorded this a couple days after the Child of Alara video went up and didn't want to make another deck that wiped the board over and over. I do think Tasigur would've done a fine job holding off attackers if he came down turn 4 like I intended. At that stage in the game I doubt anyone would've wanted to lose a creature to deal some nonlethal damage. Also Green gave me access to powerful ramp like Shefet Monitor, Blighted Woodland, Mana Reflection etc. so I could potentially cast 6-drops before turn 6 and then later cast two 6-drops per turn. I agree with all the other suggestions. I didn't like the Morph cards available and assumed I'd do fine surviving until turn 6, but in hindsight I should at least run Sagu Mauler (flips up turn 5 and hard to remove). Ancient Tomb + Temple would've been great.

[@Kettwiesel25]

Tomer it could have come down a turn earlier if you fetched...

[@ItsYaBoyTroy]

Sooo...Um... While a lot of people seem to be a little upset about how things went, I really enjoyed this match. While I don't like Tomer getting knocked out early, I completely understand it and honestly think it was the right choice to make. "Jen's deck was too spikey", look guys, aggro is aggro. Do I think it might have been better served in another clash where it could have been fought more easily? Maybe, sure. Now I'm just gonna list off a couple other thoughts in bullet points: *I really enjoyed Tom's POV. I love you to death Tomer, really do, but swapping it off every so often really allows us to get a feel for other play styles. Doesn't have to be every match, but every so often would be greatly appreciated. *The audio. I saw that Tomer commented on it being recorded separately compared to through his Skype. SOOO much better! Really appreciate the extra effort. *Richard won another jank tribal... heh, bless Look, in the end, I come here to watch some folks I think are fun play a game I love. Whether they are occasionally salty, spikey, or misplay-ey, we're all here to have some fun and play some jank!

[@mrsilverbutton7786]

Troy Williams In what appears a particular vitriolic comment section this week, I wish the last bit of your comment was pinned to the top of this thread. It's awesome to see like-minded people for this game we all enjoy.

[@SmartAlec1]

I think a lot of the comments are pretty constructive, albeit harsh, with criticism. They make sound arguments and explain their case adequately.

[@Garnzlok]

I just had a problem with her use of winter orb when she knows and it has been said in many videos that people tapped all their lands even if they don't use them to expedite the turns. To put a card that seemingly takes advantage of that into your deck is pretty douchey.

[@Charmingdane]

I feel for tomer...

[@kingfuzzy2]

There is a two Mana white overrun it's called equal treatment and it's amazing

[@Sophaurus]

As much as it sucks to see a player defeated before he even gets to play a card, Jennifer did the right thing by killing him.She even gave him an extra turn before ending him. How can you argue otherwise? It's not fair to tell the 2cmc deck to wait because it can't really ever come back from Tomer playing Massacre wurm or any boardwipe(altough J. did get the best 2 cards in her deck to eventually do it, it was probably still not enough).If you know mtg you should know that this is how the game had to unfold based on the week's theme.blame the week's theme.Blame Tomer(i love you, huge fan) for not choosing cmc 5 or for cycling the land.Blame RNG, blame MTGO for not allowing a custom number of mulligans.But don't blame players for doing the obviously right thing.

[@DoctorCataclysm]

Sophaurus She didn't have to keep swinging all in at him. The others didn't have to Bog him twice. It's more than just Jen's actions in this game. She always seems to bring a competitive commander/deck. She's simply a spike player that doesn't know how to play for fun.

[@justingarcia3185]

I think the video was good and the decks where fun, everyone was justified in killing tomer, and tomer's defeat was justified the early cycle into a no land was avoidable but then being set turns back by no land drops and an exiled graveyard just are right plays. Why leave a possible threat on the board? It's like leaving a bomb ticking when you can just stop it. Honestly I like the plays, I liked the video. People shouldn't complain about tomers early defeat these things happen when you play silly decks. They weren't expecting to win and I certainly wouldn't expect to do well. It's just the luck of the draw baby. Good job tomer, good job jen, good job tom, and good job richard.

[@lucarioman9097]

Sangromancer MVP

[@faceoctopus4571]

58:38 if Jen was going to slam down winter orb, why did she tap so many lands? She could have added a lot of mana by activating Nykthos's second ability, Which would let her start her turn with more untapped lands.

[@DieJG]

Sad to see Tomer lose so quick. But still liked the game. And Richard's deck are always awesome

[@Windmillstereotype]

When you play commander it's extremely important to have all players sit down with similar restrictions, game attitude, and to some extent skill level. You can't use a thousand dollar deck at a kitchen table game, or grab a Spike deck at a table full of Timmy, and expect everyone to have a good time. Jen plays Spike, and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the rest of the table does not share that attitude. Asking her to change is not fair. She likes playing Spike, otherwise she wouldn't always build it. If she changes her playstyle for the sake of the KZbin audience, she's not going to enjoy the game. It'll definitely show no matter how hard she'd try to hide it. I'm assuming the 4 of you are friends and want to play together, but you can't currently do that and have the content be entertaining to watch. Get a new person in to replace Jen, she's just not a good fit for the group/show. And seriously, who the **** cares what gender or sexual orientation that new person would be?

[@kingfuzzy2]

Jen doesn't need a replacement glad she's back as a guest now

[@tobes26]

i think people in the comments need to understand edh as a format has honestly 2 goals for almost all players, 1. have fun 2. win the type of player you are depends on which order you put these in, yes some of these players do play much more to win than for the "fun" of the table but thats just edh as a format... props to tomer though for not complaining about it, thats why he's my easy favorite on the show.

[@grymgungus3933]

Treasure Map and Sunset Pyramid are great card draw options in white two drops.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761]

Potater Cat Yeah! Yes but they're artifacts so they don't count

[@grymgungus3933]

gotta work with what you got

[@preachingara2423]

I actually think Tom has done a good job calming down a bit, Tomer getting killed off early was not poor play, just a challenge that was a bit too dependant on his early draws. People complaining that Jen is a spike, I too have had that complaint, but if she plays too poorly people want her off for not being good enough, if she plays too hard she is called a spike. She can't really win which is a bit unfair. I think everyone did a really good job making a fun challenge, that only in hindsight might be a bit optimistic.

[@BowmantheSlayer]

Oh no. Tom POV, now we can see why he gets so salty

[@TheEclip6]

But in the end there was nothing to be salty about, yet he did it anyways >.

[@HanannieOSRS]

We get to see Tom being salty because he can't stand being behind at any point or he huffs and puffs about it... just bad for the group!

[@admanios]

If I were playing 2-CMC tribal, I'd go with Radha, Heir to Keld. Ramp + X-spells? Yes please!

[@TheEclip6]

This game should show you why i've been so hard about Toms attitude. Tomer gets attacked and does nothing all game and bows out of the game respectfully. When Tom gets attacked at ANY point or when he died this game he was a poor sport. IDK why it has to be brought up every week. You guys clearly read comments but nothing is being done to fix it so he just doesn't care.

[@HanannieOSRS]

TheEclip6 Tom has a poor attitude and bad sportsmanship all around since he came on board... have seen the same opinion voiced on most videos but still they do nothing, it is just sad he hasn't changed or been shown the door

[@anthonyagudelo9421]

Damn sucks that Tomer died would have loved to see his deck go off. I don't think this was anyone's fault though just a shitty draw by Tomer, Jennifer needed to attack someone. I do think tomer should have gone 5 colors to use some of the powerful and mana saving spells like terminus in white and red. Tomer could have also used some lands to give him early game card filtering like desolated lighthouse.

[@brcienpartin5462]

My pick for 6 drop would be Narset. Get the rest of your flashy stuff free if you can keep her.

[@ArbDevoid]

I'm honestly happy with all the players and the game. Sometimes you get weird or unbalanced draws in magic and games end up this way. I'd rather have that happen over having the games staged or unfairly handicapped for entertainment value, that's just not magic.

[@lordsali256]

Did Jennifer get a new mic? Sounds better.

[@xavisimon3095]

Maybe its just related to Tom settings. Usually we hear Tomer super low and here is fine.

[@tomerabramovici32]

Michael Worley We are now recording our voices separately and then putting them together in the video instead of me recording their voices through Skype. Audio quality has improved!

[@lucarioman9097]

Tomer Abramovici Song Tribal!

[@xavisimon3095]

yes has improved

[@toddcorbran3114]

Each player rolls 1 D4 The D4 decides your first CMC meaning that each player gets a fairly low mana cost with the highest being 4 Then the player with the highest mana cost chooses their second CMC from the choices of 5-15 and so on and so forth This way each player has a chance for a early game and a late game In this case Tomer could have run 1 and 6 CMC which would have definitely improved this game.

[@thundering1]

@ 56 minutes - saying to myself - NOOOOOO! Stop tapping Plains! Tap 2 Plains, then harvest your Nykthos for a truck-ton of mana!

[@hectorfabricioaguilararias6066]

Damn this richard guy pretty savage

[@Deussu]

Tomer should have scooped before final damages to negate the extra draw from Ludovic.

[@lucarioman9097]

Winters orb made everything better

[@maritachikuge]

At first I was going to defend Jenn, but then she played Winter Orb... AND LOST, even though she had the most spikey deck of the bunch. People shout at Tomer for his 'punts', but the real punt is not doing your math and losing to No Mercy you could've exiled with Quarantine Field.

[@ctomsky]

Unfortunate to get stuck with CMC 6, going with CMC 5 might've been a bit easier, but you shoulda WAY upped the land count, or in my opinion, just gone with CMC 1. Pesonally I think a GW Rhys the Redeemed CMC 1 Tribal with elves and fogs woulda bee WAAAAY better. I actually wanna try building it now.

[@huot2012]

After along week of working i was finally ready to enjoy my weekly tradition of commander clash. this one had the potential to be fun to watch, but ended up being the only one i truly disliked. I mean come on killing tomer before he can untap with a creature.

[@ms6548]

But think of the Norin deck you could have made Tomer. Or Rhys. Lets not forget Zurgo Bellstriker. We should replay CMC tribal

[@vitortrindade5617]

This is exactly what I expected of a Clash when there's no Seth's boardwipes and Richard doesn't tutor for his single boardwipe. Tomer, if you want to durdle, you need to pick up the control role. The age of passing with empty board and hoping is over.

[@SmartAlec1]

Yeah, he'll just control the board on turn 1-5 with all of those six mana spells. Seriously, what the hell is he supposed to play?

[@vitortrindade5617]

This game? It's true, there was nothing he could do. But it serves as a warning for future games, as he usually spends the early game doing anything but developing his boardstate.

[@SmartAlec1]

touche

[@josephwilson6908]

Love your content but lately it feels like watching a 1st time player at LGS getting crushed by locals who have no time for introductions. It seems like a weird space between competitive and casual play. Oppressive/meta'ed decks seem a little OP when paired with the restrictions and/or non-meta'ed decks and seem to be igniting unusual reactions/interactions between players.

[@josephwilson6908]

After reading further comments I thought I should extend on the fact that you guys are ALL awesome and ALL entertaining in different ways. I appreciate the effort and hours that go into the show. My feeling is not about people, just a feeling around balance.

[@Zarundar]

I won't complain about how people approached the deckbuilding and the way the game played out. People shouldn't handicap themselves JUST because it's a "casual format". Obviously the budget restrictions, deck building rules each week, etc. already accomplish that deckbuilding wise. What I didn't enjoy about this video was the nature of the restriction being imposed. In general, I would say that doing them once every while is fine, but I also want to see good decks being built and played.

[@honeybadgerftw2383]

Only clicked because cmc tribal with tasigur

[@wilfriedkramer19]

You really dropped the ball on the Macar deck. You should have named it "Dude, where's Macar?"

[@davidrandt3712]

Not sure if these comments are ever even read. However this was just the worst. Tomer should have never even came to the table without some sort of rule that allowed him to play the game. Even if he did not miss any land drops he was never in this game. There was zero threat assessment just kill Tomer before he can ever play. Not even worth watching fully.

[@MrLilKryptic]

Can you guys do an unlimited budget clash? You'd probably have to do a few matches because of stupid combos, but it would be sweet to see real speedy decks.

[@5fwwfw]

man, the first part was hard to watch

[@daviddeboer8793]

I think this could be more interesting if everyone had the same cmc or in pairs of two vs two

[@briancywong]

6cmc deck could have been smoother if it just had some evoke or morph creatures in it. But then i guess we'd be reading about how it unfairly beatdown a 2cmc deck

[@adamfiliatreault3393]

Wow, of course Jennifer would kill Tomer before he really cast any spells. I'm going to go back to watching some pre-Jennifer (or as I call them "good") videos

[@xavisimon3095]

If I have to build a CMC tribal deck one day, I’m sure my CMC choice will be X. No mater if I loose, I’ll be the Johnnyes player ^_^

[@x3mskbord]

X isn't a valid cmc because X isn't a number. Cards with X in their mana cost treat the X as 0 so chord of calling has cmc 3

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761]

Xavi Simon I have a 1 cmc deck with oviya and an etb deck with norin or perphuros

[@xavisimon3095]

Morfowt, remove the broom stick from your as you will feel more flexible. Holy shit, you probably play as the classic D&D legal/good paladin with 0 imagination. I can just play a 1CMC deck and fill the deck with 1X cards to have some fun.

[@x3mskbord]

sure you can do that. your deck would be a 1 cmc deck, not an X cmc deck. 1 is a valid cmc, X is not. also in case you actually cared, I play a dragonborn of bahamut templated fire hobgoblin with 7 levels in factotum, 2 levels in fighter, 2 levels in shadowdancer, and 1 level in archivist. I play as the team's rogue because literally everyone else has a character that's really only good at fighting

[@xavisimon3095]

Ouch a draconian, seems pretty broken ^_^ Well I know X for the estimation of CMC its equal to 0. Probably the correct way to formulate my first post should be; theme based deck with all mama cost containing X just for fun. I suppose there is not a CMC official league with specifics rules, so if you are playing with your fiends and they accept the idea, I don’t see the reason to don’t do it. In fact seems challenging and restrictive: 1 to find the commander 2 Many go the broken cards as you mentioned chord, don’t have good synergies with X cost, you cant cheat X costs in to play because it will play as 0. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This leads me to another point: I have never agree with wizards about how they manage CMC rules. X should be equal to 0 unplayed and cheated into play, but equal to the mama played once played. Firebalal R+10 should be CMC 11 much more logic. And for the Split cards each part should be counted separately, I have never got to understand how they made a rune that allowed to play a 2CMC card and the other half for free, makes so little sense when you cant cheat a kicker card playing the kicker for free. And now we are in the other extreme, and al the split cards are the addition of bot CMC, so right now I exploit those cards to build decks around with Combustible Gearhulk, or to avoid chalice on the void on modern wile my real manna curve is rather low. They should simplify that stuff, its messy incoherent, and exploitable

[@end-er_1023]

You all could just have best of 3's as well to give more chances of showing of your decks.

[@ianamorosi6770]

Man this was an interesting idea but very much less so to watch. I understand Tomer had little choice to play anything below CMC 5 and I'm sure 6 had stronger better cards than 5 but just watching 3 people beat up on him made for very dull watching early game. I mean he might as well just conceded turn 1 and watch the game play out. That's basically what he did but had the added bonus of getting the shit kicked out of him by 3 other players

[@kobisjeruk]

Crappy week all in all. Bring back the

[@faceoctopus4571]

Penny Dreadful? I don't know how much a tix is worth.

[@2strokemopedlife459]

I loved it, a little prison/stax now and again never hurts :) im kinda curious what 1 mana cmc commander clash would look like

[@RebornUta]

King Mah-Car and his Vehicles ...

[@masterx1907]

It sucks that you guys beat up tomer most of the time ! Is it time that tomer takes a few days away so seth or someone else join ?

[@GlennTheSadMarinersFan]

he kinda did it to himself in this game. 6cmc..

[@bassbrooksfishing7287]

this isnt very entertaining to watch anymore when every week it just archenemy, even when the enemy is doing litteral nothing. i felt so bad for tomer when people had profitable attacks at other people with 40 life and a boardful of creatures they chose to attack the person at 13 who was 2 turns from casting there first spell.

[@baileyrose6459]

cameron batt Goodbye then.

[@lucky13sj]

Jim Harbor actually that's not true. Because now you have the bargaining chip over the person with the low life. You can now Nate games with that person. Get them to a point where they're helping you because well let's face it if they don't they die. That's strategy strategy is not always just how to kill someone the fastest in this game it's how do I win with the resources I have available and in Commander other players are new resource. That is why people that don't know how to do politics annoy me. Because politics can be a huge resource in this game. Having someone and make them do what you need to do to help you win is way more beneficial then taking them out of the game and then having to rely on your cards to beat the other two players.

[@lucky13sj]

Jim Harbor yeah I think you need to look into your playstyle a little more and maybe understand that you too focused on the end goal and not the Journey to the End goal.

[@bassbrooksfishing7287]

Jim Harbor, i understand in a more competative sphere the reasoning behind taking out your enemies swiftly, but i dont think anyone came to watch some get senselessly betten to death and kicked when their down.

[@tomjackal5708]

This week, on "Jen murders her friends haphazardly and then immediately gets punished by the one she left alive," one of her opponents casts a single spell before being eliminated (which took half an hour), and then not even fifteen minutes later, she kills another, and thereafter takes another thirty minutes to die herself.