How Many Cheerios Does it Take to Win on Turn 2? | Much Abrew

[@williamdixon9508]

With the number of times he's fetched a tapped land on turn one already I feel like 1 surveil land would be pretty good

[@laeclorentzen6111]

The deck can't have any taplands because if they draw into it while comboing it's useless. It would decrease consistency.

[@JeiValorant]

@@laeclorentzen6111If you’re fetching it out of your deck you wouldn’t draw it though. If ur combo’ing off on turn 3/turn 2, you don’t really care about drawing it because you probably have already drew at least one untapped land. Alot of lists on moto is running the 1 meticulous archive

[@laeclorentzen6111]

@@JeiValorant it's good if you have it or a fetch in your opening hand. Otherwise it's a dead card. Not worth it IMO

[@williamdixon9508]

@laeclorentzen6111 I mean just look at how many times a surveil land would have come up in these games, very worth it

[@laeclorentzen6111]

@@williamdixon9508 look at how many times top decking a surveil land would have prevented him from winning

[@grantmilner8908]

Not going to lie I kind of wanted to see Seth get his entire deck exiled from one Tasha’s hideous laughter in game 1

[@MTGGoldfish]

It would have been funny to see it happen once, but good lord is that a scary matchup for our deck. They draw one card and we lose!

[@eoinlanier5508]

Always happy to see people enjoying Cheeri0s Current tech people are working on: 1) 1 Archive is essential. T1 fetch into archive is 95% of my games now. 2) 1 Lavaspur is essential. It pays for itself when you can free equip onto a Paladin with a Paradise Mantle, and it's a ritual if you have 2+ creatures out. Ward 1 is incidental minor protection vs removal. My base list is: 4 Paladin 4 Sram 4 Retract 4 Noxious 1 Hurkyl's 1 Grapeshot 1 Lavaspur 20-22 Cheeri0s 8 fetches 3 Hallowed Fountain 1 Archive 1 Sacred Foundry 2 Plains I play around with a few flex slots of more or fewer cheeri0s, +1 Grapeshot, -1-2 Noxious. Maindeck Kappa Cannoneer is really popular right now.

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

What is the “Archive” you’re talking about? Sorry, I’m not familiar with Modern.

[@SonnigesDeutschland]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai Meticulous Archive, the fetchable UW tapped surveil land

[@henrypendergast8108]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpaiazorius surveil land

[@tonnenpanda]

@@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai Meticulous Archive, the white-blue Surveil Land.

[@Minusdefects]

Dude saffs deck is noob est deck I've ever seen. He took my invention Cheerios, and turned it into noob deck didn't even add urza sagas.. Does he even play magic? Who build Cheerios with urza sagas making 2 10/10s and fetching mox pitching etc.. He forgot the MVP, kappa cannoneer. Deck is called Kappatain crunch. And cast kappa turn 1 ward 4 wins game. Also turn 2 can cast puresteel and 2 kappa.. Wow saffron is worst brewer I've ever seen in my life.. I'm tired of him stealing my synergies decks not giving shout outs and making shit versions of my decks....

[@KeganKirby]

I once again love the audio clip at the beginning, just like the ghostbusters stuff before. My compliments to the editors!

[@mattm7798]

Agreed...more of that editors!!!!!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Glad you liked it!

[@mattm7798]

Yes the graphics are from 2002, but something about Seth playing on Modo warms my heart :)

[@securatyyy]

I still prefer mtgo over arena. The graphics are amazing and I'd love to play with them but modern isn't there. 😢

[@crazymembrane]

Since it wins with Grapeshot, why isn't it called Grape Nuts?

[@mattm7798]

Who knows...IIRC some cherrios decks don't win with grapeshot...there's some other combo by casting a bunch of cheap artifacts.

[@ericvernon1182]

He tells you why it's "Cheerios" in the intro...

[@NbNgMOD]

Because grape-os or grape nuts is unarguably worse then cheerios.

[@mattm7798]

@NbNgMOD LOL definitely, grape nuts tastes terrible

[@MTGGoldfish]

Lol, I like it.

[@funkydiscogod]

Against mill, I think the deck would auto-lose if the opponent made it to three land for Tasha's Hideous Laughter.

[@mattm7798]

Haha right...half the deck is 0 mana cards

[@neoUjman]

surgical on mox is also pretty close to game over

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, I think we technically have like 28 mana value in the deck, so technically we could survive, but in reality a single Tasha's Hideous Laughter ends us, we won't have enough cards left to combo and win.

[@Kristjan0209]

@@MTGGoldfish you were right in the video with it being 30

[@rhettk6263]

Ah yes the good ol clip reference intros My favorite I legit love the intros like that Also paradoxical outcome would be a spicy meatball and a nod to vintage/ legacy

[@pigogriff]

theres not enough mana for PO ig

[@MTGGoldfish]

Mmm, yeah, it's a bit expensive (we have a hard time getting to four mana), but it is powerful.

[@12triproberts]

Seth's dry cereal rankings, since no milk is allowed.

[@plantsforhire2572]

Underrated comment

[@benmetzloff9124]

This is the Modern Breakfast of Champs

[@purklefluff]

Spidersilk net is definitely better than the sigil. Reach comes in super handy if you miss on the combo

[@SonnigesDeutschland]

It's the tiniest of upgrades, but yeah it's strictly better

[@JohnDirtySpleen]

@@SonnigesDeutschland Not strictly better, better in a few cases

[@SonnigesDeutschland]

@@JohnDirtySpleen Sigil does literally nothing when cast for 0 mana (as intended) and can't even be equipped without an active Paladin out. The 0.01% case you're refering to is where you cast it for a bunch of mana and turn your 2/2 into a 5/5. But that's the saddest of games that you're not winning anyway. So I believe the wording "strictly better" has been made for exactly these kinds of scenarios.

[@JohnDirtySpleen]

@ No, the wording "strictly better" was made for scenarios in which a card does everything another card does, but better. Spidersilk net never buffs power, and sigil doesn't give reach, so neither are "strictly better." While Spidersilk net is better in this deck, it isn't "strictly better"

[@TimBurke-i4k]

Hey the tech shortly before the ban was Artificer's Assistant. The scry was really amazing at making turn 2 wins happen, dropped the fizzle rate way down. It was also common to have an alternate win condition maindeck, like a single Golem-Skin Gauntlets. Leyline of Sanctity isn't as common currently, this may not be necessary anymore, but always impressed on the 1st turn AA into 2nd turn Puresteel draws - sometimes you didn't bother digging to Grapeshot, and would instead give opponents another line to stress over during sideboarding.

[@shawnminer4355]

I refuse to pay 180$ per mox opal

[@securatyyy]

Scalpers man. 😢

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, that really needs a reprint.

[@jackl8025]

​@@securatyyy its not scalping, since there's no MSRP on singles. It's just supply and demand

[@charlied8284]

Should have bought a set when they were cheap 🤷

[@zachgray4767]

Oof, not playing the one cheerio per turn to draw against the Deafening Silence. Love you, Seth

[@benlittle5543]

Thank you for hitting all the rad modern, much abrew decks

[@benlittle5543]

"That's a 3/11" Waiting for a joke about it coming original or it having amber colored energy

[@MTGGoldfish]

I've missed being able to play these decks.

[@Snowfox11]

I'd be nervous playing this with bowmaster floating around 😅

[@efaust]

Was anyone else deeply suspicious of the TwitchChat style "test" during the deck intro pinned to the center left? Is Seth crying out for help?

[@kevinscapegoat3719]

Came to see if anyone else noticed that too lol

[@TheLetterJ0]

Not just the intro. It's there for the entire video.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Lol, I didn't notice that. I just had my OBS set on the wrong scene (the streaming scene rather than the recording scene) and that was a remnant of my trying to make sure I had Twitch connected right on my new computer. Oops!

[@Fantom_210]

Cheerios is such a funny deck. The SCG match from years ago where the guy combos off on turn 2 both games and his opponent just sits there in disbelief is amazing

[@ther3aper561]

"Any format where Cheerios is viable is a good format"- Seth, probably

[@laeclorentzen6111]

I've never heard of this deck, it looks hilariously amazing.

[@Designer-Brandon]

LOVE the intro. 😂 more of that in future videos. Thanks.

[@matushorvath]

The deck is still as much fun to watch as it always was. Erm. :D

[@michaelburt9888]

1 Meticulous Archive doesn’t seem like a bad idea as often as you have t1 tap land, Maybe a mite in the sideboard as a removal for prison/disruption pieces. Somewhat slower but Filigree Sylex/Ratchet Bomb could hit either the 0/1 drop artifacts&enchantments or the 2 drop hatebears. Portable hole also comes to mind.

[@SylveonSilver]

I’d switch out 1 hallowed fountain and 1 sacred foundry for the surveil lands 1 Meticulous Archive and 1 Elegant Parlor. Your turn 1 fetches can grab lands that you’d have enter tapped anyways, and that surveil is a pretty great setup to help that turn 2 kill.

[@hydra66]

The kids dont need to feast tonight. They're a little full after all that cereal

[@GeraldKuhn-o8z]

Love your content! Quick suggestion - if you could put in the title mtgo, modern, etc or say it in the opening it would help me a bunch. I watch on mobile and often the size of the cards are way too small, so I end up having to skip mtgo videos. If I'm the only one that watches on a smaller screen, then no worries. Hope you have great success this year and always!

[@KrishnaVijayraman]

Seth!!!! You had the potential for a turn one combo win at 17:00!!! Mox opal + land + 2x cheerio + Puresteel Paladin + cheerio and then you hope to keep drawing cheerios into a mox opal, then retract and dump all cheerios to draw into another mox opal plus grapeshot to win turn 1. But in the game you did draw into another land rather than a cheerio unfortunately to stop the turn 1

[@DarklordZagarna]

I love how in like year 4 of Magic someone randomly decided to name a combo deck after a breakfast cereal and we're now on year 32 and people are still doing it without even knowing why

[@RatRatham]

I am absolutely loving how much modern content we're getting lately

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's back!

[@svendphillips6126]

Cheerios with milk on the side, just like Seth intended

[@DoomSpellSkadi]

And Seth meet milk at first Game XD

[@MoxMichael15]

17:50 not playing your 1 noncreature spell a turn with draw engines out...

[@faceoctopus4571]

I'm guessing he thought it was a 1 mana Rule of Law.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, for some reason I was thinking that we could only cast one spell, but Deafening Silence is only one non-creature spell.

[@tomsmith4698]

Hahahaha cheerios not doing the thing in 2025. But great throwback. Nostalgia is real.

[@erikebbinkhuijsen]

This is the best test i have ever seen

[@daktastik]

interesting choice putting the price in the deck intro instead of the num copies... maybe both?

[@Freezingfist1]

I noticed that too, but assume it was just an oversight on this video

[@derekcline950]

I really would prefer numbers since I often don't even play formats on the videos. Both would be good, too, though

[@daktastik]

@@derekcline950 Makes sense. The numbers were pretty inconsequential until the Mox Opals showed up 👀

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it will be fixed next time. I switched to a new computer over the holidays and I was still getting the settings right on everything. I think there's a role for prices, but the card numberse are more important.

[@alexwenner5746]

This deck rips. Love decks that r&d never could have foreseen

[@isaacmjelmaspro]

Seth playing yank: "maybe this deck is actually good now" Energy players: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

[@crazyvikingboy2856]

Why no Thassa’s oracle in Sideboard? Feels like a good secondary win con

[@tommarren3809]

It makes me so inordinately happy that both mono-R storm and cheerios are somehow semi-legit turn 2 decks in 2025 modern. I acknowledge that I may be in the minority.

[@jackl8025]

It's 2012 all over again

[@Cahooster]

Sideboard surge of salvation would go hard with this deck

[@goblinKingCR]

As we are on the "cereal" theme... What about a re-visit to Fruity Pebbles? It was one of the fisrt videos I watched on the channel, and I really loved it! I'd like to know about an updated version, if possible

[@swampybwoy]

Very cool deck, I’m wondering if mox amber would be worth considering in some number

[@MTGGoldfish]

The problem with Mox Amber is that it only makes the color of a legend we control (and are only legend is Sram, so it just makes white mana) and we really need it to make blue so we can cast Retract/Hurky's Recall to bounce all of our artifacts to keep the loop going. Maybe there's a way to rebuild to make it work, technically Leave // Chance can fill in for Retract, but I'm not sure if it's worth the inconsistency.

[@swampybwoy]

@@MTGGoldfishah yes, didn’t think of that!

[@mtgygo4249]

​@MTGGoldfish I know it's probably changing the number of cheerios in the deck, but do you think adding one or two Emry with Amber and maybe one Lavaspur Boots for the haste (and free equip from Paladin) would be worth it?

[@muditjohar5323]

Any thoughts about talongates? It helps cast everything other than puresteel but it can stop bowmasters as well

[@jamespatterson5644]

Peanut butter cap'n crunch. Lucky charms is D-tier

[@kaelr5434]

Hey Seth! I run Artificers Assistant in Cheerios as well for the one drop slot. It adds a scry 1 for every cheerio in addition to the draw which can really help add consistency. What do you think?

[@aaronlewis5491]

Should of tapped puresteel for mana to retract for more draws

[@emctwoo]

31:00 I think you did technically have the turn 1 win if you sram as soon as you draw the 2nd mox. The one extra draw off the next cheerio was another, and should’ve given you the same winning sequence you got T2 from drawing it for turn.

[@joev1083]

I feel like a similar deck utilizing glaring fleshraker and mystic forge instead might do better, maybe with a karn package including paradox engine and essence reliquary to go fully infinite.

[@AllWeekendDeals]

missed opportunity to end the video with "Cheerio!" in Seths worst british accent

[@Ryszykow]

been awhile since you covered cheerios

[@stonerainproductions]

@Seth I'm still hoping you give Dredge a try with Faithless Looting being unbanned. I hope you are well!

[@ragnarlocke5603]

Nice looping ^^ Would consider Dispatch over Path to Exil ;)

[@CA-eo7rz]

At 23:27 there was a line to maybe stay onboard one more turn. The draw from puresteel paladin is optional, so if you played another artifact and refuse to draw you could have equipped everything to puresteel and block without making it die. (Also: isn't it better to have spidersilk net instead of sigil for this situations?)

[@Sylvr369]

How about Surge of Salvation in the SB for Bowmaster? Seems like the perfect answer. I know it dilutes the combo, but so do all the other SB cards.

[@abeybaebe2514]

I like the the $1000 price tag is mostly mox opals fault 💀

[@alaraplatt8104]

right there with u about cereal

[@fo-ef8qo]

I would say the mox opal ban did shut down the best version of affinity, I don't think harden scales was nearly as effective as super agro affinity that had mox opal

[@KrishnaVijayraman]

Oh my god. I just had an epiphany. Leyline of Anticipation + Gemstone Caverns… oh no… I suddenly think I can turn 0 someone in Modern

[@OGNoNameNobody]

It's good to do these 'check-in-on' decks once in a while. ...Too bad this one didn't work ouy.

[@NotTheArin1]

My vote for S tier cereal is S’mores Lucky charms 😮 🤤

[@Kristjan0209]

not surgicaling the mox was quite the throw

[@jturner582]

I feel like this deck could use at least 1 copy of Academy Ruins

[@TheAwsomestAwsomeSauce]

Can’t you win with pure steal and paradise mantle with 0 equipmalmost inf mana

[@jonnymooshoo]

Third game Seth could have attacked and removed the need for more storm count

[@stewyxtreme]

Add gutshots in the sideboard for bowmasters and I think the deck has a shot.

[@nategao]

Would you consider adding Urza's Saga to find a mox?

[@WyattAndrews]

Im guessing the issue is the sram and puresteel are both WW and that might screw up the mana base too much?

[@michaelburt9888]

As well, waiting for saga to tick up to 3 isn’t really fitting this deck’s game plan.

[@apexnova2947]

But the bodies from saga literally win games as secondary wincons

[@aerynmusick4548]

Honeycomb is the best cereal. And pops

[@milkman5586]

i like mox amber in this deck, but needing sram is another brick route

[@darkseeker1112]

18:08 The instant Sram was down, you should have been casting your cheerios to draw two. SRAM being a creature did not count against deafening silence. And one cheerio for two is far too important

[@masaufuku1735]

You got lucky with that surgical in match 2. Opponent should have picked either opal or grapeshot, which would have made a win far less likely. Opal would have been the best choice, but I think either Opal or Grapeshot would have kept you from winning before milling out. Extracting Sram seems like a really bad choice given that they'd already seen both Sram and Paladin in the previous game. Pretty big punt by the opponent.

[@PhaseZero-cq6ow]

There is only 1 grapeshot in the deck and it was in hand, so they could not have extracted it.

[@masaufuku1735]

@@PhaseZero-cq6ow Surgical searches hand, graveyard and library.

[@masaufuku1735]

@@PhaseZero-cq6ow Ah, you're correct. I forgot that surgical can only target something that's already in the graveyard. Opal was still the best call either way though even if it would only hit one that was still in the deck.

[@aliensshi6656]

Seth I’ve been trying to get your attention for 1 day now please play leveler in modern

[@ReyosBlackwood]

10:50 surgical on sram is a misplay by opponent, not that it mattered. Sram is legendary, puresteel is not, one of each in the yard, and the draw effect is identical, exiling th puresteel only lets seth draw one at a time through legend rule, and stops equipping as a possible backup through the metalcraft.

[@luciushilliard6352]

Test

[@aaa-vy6qo]

You should try playing legacy cheerios with glimpse of nature and kobolds

[@ave_maria323]

Odd how I never put that the 0 looks like a cherrio

[@Goldscorpio7]

The cheerios get soggy if you wait too long

[@justinleland898]

I'd play thoracle in this as another way to win .

[@ggpt9641]

37:37, Pure Steelios time!

[@Razzia334]

If he wanted the repeal on the top he should have revival'd it in response to the puresteel draw in M5G1 🤷

[@whoopsmymeds]

You should try hardened scales now that mox opal is unbanned

[@zachgray4767]

That is unbelievably bad luck in that first game against Energy. Like almost unlikely on a universal scale. You had 8 draws to hit basically 16/32 cards. You missed 8 coin flips in a row 😅

[@donbionicle]

They discontinued my favorite cereal. It's not fair I tells ya!

[@Drakksy]

test

[@BobEllis79]

How about Orcish BANmasters?

[@zofficialone6214]

Sigil of DISTRACTION???? 😆😆

[@FlawlessRhythmGG]

Cheerios without Spidersilk Net? Whack.

[@imcohencohen]

Against energy: Defeaning silence only limits NONCREATURES. You missed two chances to play a cheerio, one of which woulda been a free pot of greed!

[@poiri]

Yeah, Seth says as much 40 seconds after

[@NemoTrostle]

Coco Crispies

[@whitestagg]

I wish they'd undo the recent banning so we could go back to all Arena content on here 😂

[@TheAwsomestAwsomeSauce]

Very cool deck but seems bad against comtrol

[@Ambushw23]

This deck should have 1 surveil land for the turn one fetch you rarely play anything turn one. Only if lotus petal was legal in modern then this deck would be busted but petal also would be busted in lots of things and be banned

[@mattm7798]

Question: Was retract originally printed as a combo piece for decks like this or as a protection piece against mass artifact hate?

[@TheTunaSaladin]

It was meant as a protection piece, printed in one of the mirrodin sets (I think Darksteel) so you’d have plenty powerful artifacts in standard and block at the time

[@jeffreybethke4223]

Fruity pebbles is number 1# for me

[@Crusina]

First! Also what IS A CHEERIOS???? 😂 I am so interested to learn why it is called that when i watch the video 😊

[@brandonberger2657]

Because they are mostly O casting costs

[@Crusina]

I know, he explains in the first few minutes but in order to have first comment I had to keep it short lol ​@@brandonberger2657

[@verververververver]

Vexing bauble lol

[@latinojackson9694]

welcome to another modern deck that either wins turn 1-2 or just does nothing, such fun gameplay......

[@spandytube]

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. test

[@papaflowers5726]

Lucky charms is f tier bro.

[@mazein90]

Why not play surgical extraction to exile fetch land in your deck when you combo.

[@DarthTUK]

187? Am I seeing that correctly during the deck tech? A deck full of almost free garbage and then 4 cards that each costs as much as I would consider the final price of a strong deck? Wizards, I know you reprint stuff fairly regularly now, but DAMN, the staples are downright insulting. Also US prices in particular...

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it's a very cheap deck that need a playset of the most expensive card in the format, so it's actually super expensive.

[@Babyboots1]

Fun vid, but this deck sucked when i started modern back in 2017/18. It definitely still sucks.