If You Play a Creature You Face the Repercussions! | Against the Odds | Historic MTG Arena

[@sveltemax3606]

Mad respect for that one opponent just absolutely refusing to read what Leyline of Combustion does, I dig someone saying "cards aren't real and they can't hurt me" as they swiftly lose to their own catastrophic misplays

[@electric_dream_machine]

That one DW meme saying "This card can't stop me because I can't read!" 😂

[@Sey318]

Even on paper, if your opponent goes infinite with a creature-making lifegain combo, they have to set a number, and because star of extinction deals 20 damage to each creature and they gain 1 life per creature, that still means that even if they choose, say a googleplex of life, you still deal 20 times more damage to them than the life they gained. (assumin repercussion is on the battlefield)

[@jms4979]

Came here to say this. A rare instance of where "it's not technically infinite" matters. If it was truly infinite life, then opp lives.... but a trillion life plus a trillion squirrel repercussions = -19 trillion life.

[@-homerow-]

Bigger infinites are mind boggling

[@-homerow-]

Not Bogle-ling 😂

[@RavenDravenek]

They have infinite health, but repercussions deals 20x infinite damage

[@jms4979]

@@RavenDravenek but 20 times infinity is still infinity. I guess you could argue it would be exactsies lol. (there are different kinds of infinities, but both of these are normal old "countably infinite")

[@miguelfreitas5343]

You know what I want from Arena? A button that says "Always Yes", "Always No" and "Set Target". Like moto has had for a billion years. That would be *such* a quality of life change for combo decks...

[@demiurge2501]

Fr MTGA really does not like combo decks that have loops

[@DimT670]

It's impossible to have that and every other quality of life feature of arena. This would just turn arena into modo and modo is, well, modo

[@davidcrawford9407]

​@@DimT670how would adding the quality of life options of being able to always yield to triggers be a negative?

[@dustyfox6511]

Problem is that coding wise it wouldn't be possible with their current engine. MTGO actually has a similar coding problem where the game fails to detect the loop, so the clients and server all try to run the loop as fast as possible until they desynch or hit a rounding error.

[@DimT670]

​@@davidcrawford9407because it would negate the set of benefits we have now of triggers resolving automatically If you have to ask every time if you wanna do always yes or always no, the game would basically need to be played always in full control mode, otherwise when exactly would the game ask? I suppose you could have it an option in the full control mode or the options but I don't think they can even do that,as it would require a full rewriting of how triggers and spells resolve

[@zackestin1368]

For anybody wondering, having creatures with repercussion out does NOT prevent you from winning with a board wipe, the triggers resolve one by one so you can always put enemy ones resolving first, if it kills them, the game ends with the ones to kill you still on the stack, which still results in a game win.

[@lucasbreton4143]

Thanks, was searching for this

[@justinth963]

Yeah i'm not gonna lie, I was expecting game one to end in a draw.

[@evankraabel5415]

Just to be pedantic: No, you MUST put the enemy triggers first, due to the APNAP rule Edit: Haters will say this isn't true, but all my real ones know what's up.

[@Amphidsf]

@@evankraabel5415 Doesn't apply here since in this case they are all your triggers even if they come from an opponents creature. If repercussions granted the ability of "When this takes damage deal that to it's controller" it would be apnap though.

[@zackestin1368]

@@evankraabel5415 youre being pendantic with literal wrong info, APNAP applies to multiple triggered abilities going onto the stack at once from DIFFERENT sources, ie, both players having sheoldred, youre fully legally allowed to stack your own repercussion damage first if you want, and you can go test it yourself if you want.

[@cedricappleby2006]

Finally a deck for Nykthos and The One Ring

[@NazoPureChaos]

I know, right? And here I was worried those would be dead cards. Now if only we could find a place for Paradox engine...

[@DiscardatRandom]

Make golos as the commander

[@trentonsimpson2621]

What did we learn? No one knows what leyline of combustion does.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Lol, that one opponent more or less killed themselves by casting spells into it.

[@MaxMckayful]

Crim is the often troll you see coming. Seth is often the troll you don't see coming.

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

This deck makes my wish that Forbidden Orchard was on MTGA, because that would be a hilarious card in this list (it taps for any color, but gives an opponent a 1/1 insect whenever it taps). Also, as a backup plan given existing cards, just add Chandra, Awakened Inferno--she is a board clear/spot removal that also can tick up to put those ping emblems on the opponent

[@gabrote42]

Spirit, but yeah

[@fjshdf]

ah, finally, a matchup I can do good against in my 100 card no creature control deck

[@nedcurfman3486]

Don’t worry, Seth could add a Forbidden Orchard just for you

[@Logan-lz5gu]

Do you play yorion as companion?

[@fjshdf]

@@Logan-lz5gu nah, don't have the wildcards, plus it's not really got a lot of ETBs. It's Hypercancer, but I've shoved extra shit in over the years. Crack a pack, "oh that looks good, in it goes", lose to mill, "need a couple Gaea's blessing's", get mana screwed, "need some more lands", etc etc etc

[@blueheartorangeheart3768]

@@nedcurfman3486forbidden orchard isn’t on arena. One or two dowsing dagger in the sideboard could do it though

[@McDodgerMan]

The funny thing is, even if the opponent gives you creature tokens, you can still Bargain them away with Torch the Tower

[@Jesin00]

Or you can just stack your Repercussion triggers so your opponent dies first.

[@henryackerson7138]

I want somebody to get him by sacking all of their creatures in response while he has tokens and killing him with his own repercussions

[@tankdempsey1818]

Maybe as a better back-up, Dowsing Dagger? Make plants so that you can always repercussion something.

[@TheCardq]

Plus you can equip it to any tokens you get from getting your one ring exiled.

[@Psyman2]

22:08 I'm making this my new ringtone

[@qazzaqstan]

Repercussions has a special place in my heart by being part of the first combo deck I've ever seen. Mono-red burn with a side plan being Repercussions + Furnace of Rath + Goblin Grenade dealing 10 to target creature and 20 to its controller.

[@donnovanash2334]

The innkeeper triggers go on the stack but get cut off by scurry oak, so they don’t gain life yet, when they resolve the scurry oak triggers they will gain more life, and make the other triggers you were expecting

[@blueredlover1060]

Rosie says whenever a token is created put a +1/+1 Counter on another target creature. Scurry Oak says whenever it gets a +1/+1 Counter create a Squirrel token. So, they were getting the Prosperous Innkeeper triggers, but they wouldn't resolve until after they chose something else to get a counter with Rosie.

[@Metallicity]

This didn't have to be the case though. If the opponent manually stacked their triggers differently, they could've had the Innkeeper's life gain resolve first each time. Both Innkeeper and Rosie trigger from the Scurry Oak trigger resolving (which fulfills both the conditions of creating a token and of another creature entering the battlefield), and they are controlled by the same player, so that player can put those triggers on the stack in any order.

[@alanbeatty4314]

@@Metallicity Yeah, but it was really weird that Seth was confused by it.

[@pestermitekimmy]

When I saw the Zirda companion, I rooted real hard for opp being on belcher for maximum hilarity

[@jacobarford2877]

I assumed they were on Kethis but I was wrong

[@zackestin1368]

ive seen a bunch of control decks run Zirda recently to make opponents mull to thoughtseize in case theyre belcher too, was hoping it was that.

[@jackmanning156]

Leyline Nikthos ramp looks so freaking fun lol. I kinda wanna try this in legacy with crop rotation and some wacky mana sink or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Darchias]

Welcome to Legacy Leylines, with the role of Serra's Sanctum being played by Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

[@fuzznutt5118]

I had a red/white repercussion deck with creatures back in the day. But all my creatures had protection from red.

[@CascadeHope]

I love Repercussion! I found out about the card years back, and it's a key staple in my Gisela Commander deck now :D Such a funny deck tech! I love how much stall it does just to get the 3/4 combo pieces.

[@OddModlin]

I used to have a 60 card casual Repercussions deck for big chaos games in the times before Commander. So looking forward to this video :D

[@canadianbakn]

I was a big nerd and calculated our chances of missing on that awakening draw 11. It's 35.846%, higher than I would have thought! This is assuming a 60 card deck and are only outs are the three remaining one rings.

[@IcebaneFilms]

14:30 you can manipulate the stack by turning off auto stacking in the options menu, however it slows things down majorly. It's only useful for a handful of combos I've showcased before which require it.

[@IshoPlays]

OMG!!!!! Repercussions is my favorite card ever! I'm so excited to see it as the star in a deck! 🎉

[@zaton666]

This is one of the coolest decks I have seen recently

[@BoshiYoshi]

I love the WoE Enchanting Tales. Enchantments are already my favorite card type and so many fun favorites were added to Arena with them. Speaking of, next month the No Banlist Historic (dev seems to be implying that at least Channel will be banned) returns and Blood Moon is on Arena this time. We all know what that means! (unless Wizards gets cowardly again)

[@NoyzBot]

in match 1, game 3, wouldn't that star of extinction have been a draw? it does 20 damage to your creature too, but I suppose you control the repercussions, so you would choose how the triggers stacked?

[@TheWorldsStage]

I guess the controller of the Repercussions gets to control the triggers. There was an older combo with Repercussion + Blasphemous Act and it worked the same way

[@pgDraxos]

​@TheWorldsStage correct. It took me a bit to figure it out but the active player chooses the order the stack resolves

[@frienetic]

21:05 How do the Repercussion triggers stack? Seth would also have 20 damage pointed at himself for controlling a creature, or does he still just get to choose the order?

[@frienetic]

I guess he does get to choose order because he controls Repercussion, just might need to be careful about auto ordering triggers

[@InquisitorSinCross]

There's a shorthand: APNAP, which means "Active Player, Non Active Player". It dictates the order of getting priority of stacking triggers. Because Seth was an Active Player in that situation, he gets to choose how triggers of permanents he control go on the stack. Even if he had more creatures on the board than his opponent, he would still win because all he needs to do is to lower his opponents life to 0 or less, after that his opponent loses the game due to the state based action of having 0 or less life and because the match was won, stack gets cleared.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I let Arena auto-stack them (which was probably a bad idea), but it worked out in the end!

[@Bggujh]

Leyline of combustion needs more attention. It's a bargain tool if you don't need it, but in jund matchups after they hit you with all the discard, just bargain it away for some other effect

[@emctwoo]

Awesome deck! Big red control decks are always fun, and this one had a great gimmick on top of that!

[@Nitnelav1994]

"All these cards are really expensive" Me, looking at a mountain of Mythics, yea I bet they are

[@cupcakeapplesauce]

Sick video Seth, super unique big red control

[@enilson002]

I think this is the most mythic-heavy deck I've seen in a long time - but hilarious!

[@chapeldweller]

Nothing like seeing the same card in every deck in Historic. Definitely the signs of a well designed card.

[@mentallyfatiguedseagull1413]

Saffron: runs 16 lands Saffron: why am I not drawing any lands?

[@DeathJr6677]

more like 24 with mdfcs

[@blillow5076]

Repercussion might be my favorite card in enchanting tales.

[@MrShinyObject]

Seth's shirt is the same color of the green screen and is somehow the same shape and size of the confirm button. It makes him look like he's wearing an Arena brand shirt.

[@MatthewKnecht]

used to run it in a casual deck I LOVED with the Betrayer's(?) land that gave your opponent a 1/1 Spirit token when you tapped it for mana if they refused to cast any more creatures.

[@MatthewKnecht]

Forbidden Orchard, Champions, my bad. Apparently not legal in historic... yet

[@MatthewKnecht]

Pyrohemia as well

[@AbelFerralla]

There's this equipment from Ixalan which gives the opponent 2 plant creature tokens. Could be useful against non-creature opponents Edit: it's actually 2 tokens not 3

[@OGTahoe3]

Are you talking about Dowsing Dagger? It makes 2 plants but can see how it could help

[@AbelFerralla]

@@OGTahoe3 ahh yes, that's the one! In my head it made 3 0/1s instead of 2 0/2s, but it still works

[@ImJustHereToWatch14]

Richard coming in with the alt account Dowsing Dagger rec

[@ShadowOfNocturne]

16:40 you are SO lucky that auto order didn't screw you over lol. You had a token and didn't play a new one ring first, so there was the chance that the auto order triggers put the opponents first and then your's letting yours resolve first!! This is a warning to anyone wanting to play this haha

[@jameshowell7178]

Magic rules puts active player triggers on the stack before non-active players

[@ProbablyEzra]

@@jameshowell7178 Repercussion still could've triggered against saffron first tho, right?

[@eigilbundgaard3364]

Great video😄😄😄

[@petersteiman2443]

That was really sweet Seth. If you play Repercussion again, maybe you can try it again in a Dagger Burn deck.

[@ImJustHereToWatch14]

32:03 (Match 3 Game 1) with 37 cards left in the deck, drawing to three The One Rings on 12 draws, you are at a 70.399% chance to hit, which is a good chance, but not a guarantee by any means. It's definitely greedy and given you were unlikely to lose the following turn (I honestly don't know what beats three Burn Down the House tokens out of that deck), I think the greed wasn't justified

[@doomofthedestiny8065]

Repercussions has always been one of my favorites, and leylines is a deck I've been trying to get the pieces to slowly

[@dorklord7298]

Personally I play an Orvar self mil with a lot of blink effects so if I’m not mistaken in response to a cast I can blink repercussions preventing the damage and still being able to combo.

[@Bunnycraft-li4os]

If you used this with the rakdos charm and forbidden orchard, like your mono black burn, you can get the control players too.

[@MTGGoldfish]

That sounds fun! I might have to try giving a build that.

[@Jesin00]

​@@MTGGoldfishForbidden Orchard is not on Arena, so maybe Dowsing Dagger? Btw, having your own creatures does not fizzle the combo because you can stack your triggers so the opponent dies first.

[@williamfoster7234]

I love this game and really that's the deck I have always been looking for, thanks

[@anonymousvagrant]

28:00 Mulan's Schezwan Sauce 😂👍

[@bababommboi6495]

How about Chandra pyromaster ultimate in to stone splitter bolt

[@Martin-qb2mw]

I play Green in Historic. What have you done Seth? just kidding, I love the vid as always!

[@SchwettyBawls]

I kinda missed hearing your signature, *giggle* "Sweet, sweet!" Haven't heard it in the videos posted the last couple of weeks.

[@jeremypiles1787]

Orchard gives your opponents a creature!

[@funkydiscogod]

Not on Arena.

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Maybe my favorite win of all time was when I was playing mono-red burn and I kept the one lander into Shock. My opponent was apparently on some janky burn combo, because they end up playing 2 Repercussions and a Fiery Emancipation while I sat around trying to draw a second land. I finally hit my land drop, but was basically out, except they played a Firesong and Sunspeaker. I hit it with a Lightning Strike, which made two Repercussion triggers, but, since Repercussion says the creature is dealing the damage, their own Fiery Emancipation made their Firesong and Sunspeaker hit them in the face for 9 each time. I laughed for like an hour.

[@najoheuer]

Opponent scooped at you blowing yourself up with that Star of Extinction

[@brackpin]

Our lords of jank once again delivering an amazing/ly funny fun looking mono red deck to drive the monstrous horde back to the wastes.😊

[@baelsalmongaming]

I know a four card combo isn't impressive... But I saw Repercussion and instantly thought "But what if Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter with Pariah's Shield...?"

[@TCGEnjoyers]

Would stuffy doll not be good in this deck?

[@D_A_D_]

Chandra, Awakened Inferno would be a great backup plan. Can't be countered so non-creature decks can't interrupt it. Deals damage to all creatures for your main gameplan, and is itself a backup plan.

[@6tiple6ix6afia]

Starting a match with two different leylines in an opening hand is hilarious

[@fmj9357]

Knew someone who had a legacy repercussions deck. Used creatures to give opponents creatures to board wipe to kill, was really cool. May want to consider forbidden orchard against none creature decks to get them some to star of extinction

[@zackestin1368]

forbidden orchard is not on arena

[@nickpatrick7021]

Is there such a thing as a deck that can never ever be mana screwed? Like I know that's not a win condition in itself, but it's the one thing that seems to be able to stymie just about any deck. Might be an interesting idea for a video. Also I absolutely love this deck. Basically everyone is in the mindset of "If my deck comes off, I'll win," but when their deck comes off, your deck comes off. I think it's too hard of a left turn for people to taken in a best of 3 to turn their back on their big creature combos. Last opponent was pretty cagey though

[@deejay.zedemex]

Did anyone pull up the calculator for the 31:59 whiff?

[@someguy1ification]

I had a repercussion deck a while back. It had Furnace of Rath and a bunch of Earthquake variants. It would do things like give my opponents two 1/1s with Forbidden Orchard and then Quake for 2 and they would die (2x2 is 4 to each creature, then repercussion triggers doing 4x2 = 8 per creature, and 2x2 from the Quake itself is 20 damage if they have two guys on the board) that playgroup hated me.

[@Arkanda003]

These oponents don't fear the Reaper cushions and it shows

[@jameswhitcomb4773]

Why does Saffron get to play the coolest decks? This shit is so cool!

[@taylormilleman7337]

I wonder if you could splash black for clackbridge troll or the 1 cmc rat saga to force creatures onto your opponents field

[@Dragiceoriginal]

Seth keeping a 2 land hand in a 16 land deck, saying “it’ll be great if we draw a land”. Hmm.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's actually 24 lands (we have eight MDFCs which don't show up in the land counting tool). But yeah, still might have been risky.

[@duneblythe]

13:00 You got very lucky. The scurry oak and rosie triggers stack off each other first by default. Then all the life gain starts hitting one at a time for each scry. There's actually a bug where if they had kept the oak/rosie combo going until the timer expired all the scrying would have to auto resolve, BUT THE SCRY ANIMATION IS SUPER SLOW. It causes such a long delay that their combo is still resolving during your turn forcing you to time out from inactivity, SKIPPING YOUR TURN. If they set up enough triggers will happen again FORCING YOU TO AUTO CONCEDE FOR ABANDONING THE GAME. They let you off easy.

[@Dsmky117]

arena is a perfectly coded game with 0 exploits

[@tankdempsey1818]

I think the way to get around this is reloading the game, it will skip all the queued animations and let you play.

[@Kogan1911]

Is there a red card that you can sideboard that gives your opponent some dorks in cases where they won't play creatures? There's got to be right?

[@MonsterCC]

I was living in a devil town, didnt know it was a devil town, oh lord it really brings me down about the devil town

[@rhettk6263]

someone plays dowsing dagger against you* also 16 lands!?!?!?!?! thats greeeeedy

[@firestar5810]

Actually it's 24 because be has 8 ndfcs in his deck.

[@nevinherren2738]

A sentence I never thought I would hear mono red controll.

[@nmnate]

Oh man, I hope we get a match with a phyrexian obliterator 🤣

[@sterlingparrino8657]

Could play dousing dagger… and in red white with spark harvest to make planes walkers into creatures..

[@BigCheeseNaan]

Not seing a one ring off that Valakut Awakening draw is about a 30% chance so it's unlucky to not get one but not that unlikely.

[@ATADSP]

Some of these cards... would be really good in my Dong Zhou deck...

[@tuongpham7609]

Technically speaking, infinite x 20 is still infinite. No such thing as bigger infinite. Rationality it makes sense but mathematically it doesnt. But thats why you declare a number when you go infinite.

[@KnicKnac]

Repercussion is my favorite hidden gem to play in EDH

[@1Shayz1]

Leyline of Combustion has saved my ass in so many of my red decks. Same with Protector's shield in white. Makes your opponent have to think more at the very least

[@JoshyBoy219]

THIS IS.............HILARIOUS!

[@colinbroyles2602]

I want to see you play a Queza, auger of agonies deck (aka card draw tribal)

[@PermCommander]

I had a deck in highschool (2001) that was built around repercussion and furnace of wrath.... Leyline's didn't exist. 0 creatures. And burn spells. Shock, lightning bolts, seal of fire, urza's rage. Old school counterspell deck was the only thing I could find to beat it

[@Beowulfgang_Amadeus]

That Rakdos opponent was living proof that playing the strongest most busted deck in the format doesn't make you good at magic...

[@lucasfigueroa6165]

Awesome deck.

[@malloot9224]

I haven't laughed like this in a while, so much fun against bowmasters

[@OllyWood688]

Repercussions have a name, and it's "New Deck (7)"

[@eegles]

Nice Reaper Cushions deck

[@KnighTiggles]

Maybe a dowsing dagger in the sideboard could help opponents always have critters?

[@l4unchp4dgaming38]

The end of Match 5 was nasty

[@prestonroe268]

So the odds: The chance you miss that turn was 22.6% or just slightly worse than 1 in 5. The chance you miss from the valakut specifically was 33% or 1 in 3. In other words, it wasn't that unlikely for you to miss there, but it was probably still the best line.

[@drlegal3143]

how do you get so you don't have to click "activate ability" on things like the one ring?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, I don't think I do anything unique for it to be like that. Can you not just click on The One Ring and have it happen?

[@drlegal3143]

@@MTGGoldfish for me it always makes me click an additional time to activate some things, weird.. im gonna try change some settings to see if that fixes it

[@dianethepunk6149]

I also have a zero creatures deck that punishes opponents for playing creatures! It's standard legal, too.

[@Krossfyre]

Lol, that poor discard opponent. Entire match was stuck between a rock and a hard place. The One Ring allows you to rebuild too quickly if they can't put down creatures, and they can't put down creatures because they'll die. And then Leyline of Combustion just shuts down their entire plan.

[@ericnatarajan9630]

Bold drinking game for anyone over 21: take a shot for every time Seth says repercussion *note: do this at your own risk

[@alaraplatt8104]

seth, for no obvious reason: "yea, let's rub it in a little"

[@TheMegaMagikarp]

Hey Wildborn Preserver was good in Simic Flash during its standard! I hated that deck.

[@Tinil0]

I wish there were more Davriel cards since he is a Brandon Sanderson character.

[@davidhower7095]

No Dowsing Dagger? That’s one way to give your opponent a few creatures. As a one-of, or something.

[@ILikePi31415926535]

32:20 Couldn't you... have just played a land and still done the make 2 devils plan?

[@XaeroGames]

Nice brew!

[@AtrociousNightmare]

That was amazing hahaha