Sending Arena Zoomers though the DOOR TO NOTHINGNESS | Historic Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

[@franksmith8298]

According to Maro, the original rule text on Door was going to be "Destroy target player", but he couldn't get that wording past the rules manager 😂

[@kristiandahl1310]

Well it would imply that players are permanents in a round about way which yeah is not good.

[@noahcarroll4944]

The only way we managed to get that on an official magic card was Baron Von Count lol

[@shivandragon1651]

Player removal is the best removal

[@solsystem1342]

​@@shivandragon1651my personal dream is leaving the mana to cast door open in a commander game and taking the game hostage because I can remove a player from the game at instant speed in response to anything I don't like😂

[@syrelian]

Shoulda just been "Remove target player from the game" Exiling doesn't assume a target is a Permanent, and its textually accurate to its behavior

[@LlywellynOBrien]

I really think that all alternative win cons on Arena really need animations to set them out from regular old wins.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Agreed!

[@OODZUTSU]

Yeah, Maze's End is so boring. Just looks like they concede.

[@jojodosjogos]

Master duel does that and its beautiful

[@dylanevans9]

I really wanna see their avatar fly through a door to nothingness

[@aretwodeetoo1181]

Oh man, that's such a good idea. Just imagine a giant black hole door sucking in all their cards and pet and avatar... WotC please!

[@davidstreicher1103]

I remember when I first started playing MTG in elementary school, there was one boy who had a Door to Nothingness and a deck built around it, and we all thought it was the coolest and most powerful card in the entire game. There's something about the words "target player loses the game" that just excites the imagination- especially that of a little kid- in ways better and more efficient cards just never could.

[@Dari300ra]

not to mention that "target player loses the game" feels so much better than "You win the game" alternate wincons

[@derkylos]

'You win' or 'opponent loses' were always the cards people wanted. I remember when I got my hands on a Coalition Victory. _Everyone_ wanted to trade that card with me...

[@colinrobinson4464]

I pulled both Ramos and Door in my prerelease and actually got it off on my stunned opponent. It was crazy!

[@MTGGoldfish]

That sound awesome!

[@mikastrae]

someone at my prerelease was gonna try to win with aetherflux, lol

[@zirilan3398]

​@@MTGGoldfishwhy isn't the Deck running Chalice of the Void?

[@tofu585]

@@zirilan3398 why would it be running chalice?

[@Cincinnatijames]

@@tofu585 Chalice is usually too slow for historic.

[@coreysierchio4650]

"Sometimes it's better to be a little lucky than a little good." ~ Seth, probably better known as SaffronOlive

[@lachlank.8270]

SAFFfffronnnAwwlive

[@AAtac-hw2sf]

51:59

[@zachgray4767]

"Well, let's see if we can keep the good times-" [opponent windmill-slams turn-1 Swiftspear]

[@user-wluo]

Seth, you punted (sort of) at 38:24, while the creature land can be turned on, if it’s already targeted then then ward will not trigger.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ohh, duh. Good call.

[@Aleris21]

Since this card was printed (when I was 14) I have tried and tried and tried to make a deck around it. Today, 18 years later. My dream comes true

[@mikemoyer8162]

Jeeze has it been that long? Now I feel old.

[@nathanaelmcmahan872]

It's been kinda easy in modern as long as it doesn't get countered. I can play it and activate on turn 4 with Tron IF I get a decent hand.

[@jeffbo7515]

I use it in Commander 😂 Ramos Dragon Engine remove counters = win

[@B-Ran_the_Man]

Every time I hear Seth mention about going through the door, I think of the game Munchkin. "Would you like to knock down the door?" "Yes" "You encounter a Door to Nothingness. You lost the game."

[@shizzletts]

Munchkin is such a fun game! I could see them adding something like the Door to the game for the lolz. Always remember: NEVER pick up a duck in a dungeon!

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@shizzletts nty

[@gregorybarnard5593]

Munchkin is the best!

[@silkywilky7913]

Qwazar crashed the servers today

[@lachlank.8270]

Oh yes boys and 3.5%

[@vbkllr]

THE FUGS?!?!? I always love your taste in music. First Ween and Modest Mouse, then Captain Beefheart, and now The Fugs?!? Good job, man!

[@WikiED]

Arena doesn't have problems with amount of cards in hand, the lag is somehow tied to World Trees. Somehow World Trees are fighting how Arena is calculating what you can do with mana and lag the game. The more World Trees you have the worse the game gets.

[@wingdinggaster6737]

From what I understand, controlling multiple world trees gives lands multiple "T: add one mana of any color" abilities, and arena really does not like having a lot of permanents with a lot of abilities

[@Settop]

I built my own jank version of a door deck with chromatic orrery and trash for treasure, it's pretty fun when you get the turn 5 win with it. Fun to see another way to build the deck

[@stonerainproductions]

Seth holds the door open at the Hotel d'Nothing. Best Maitre D ever! 🤣

[@BiscuitsJoe]

Whoever edits these videos get HUGE props for including The Fugs in the intro XD

[@Mudder1310]

This takes me back. I used to play a door to nothingness deck with gates and mazes end with a bunch of fogs. It was something.

[@ChaosForce08]

Timeless Lotus and Teferi were surprisingly good at supporting the Door wins. In regards to Freyalise, I don't think it really fits what Legacy elves wants to do since that deck is really focused on Natural Order and wants to play a ton of 1-mana elves for Glimpse of Nature. Modern Elves I could see using Freyalise, though.

[@CityState_of_Valletta]

So is Amulet of Vigor not int he format Saffron plays? I feel like that would be great with the Lotus & Door although you can't double-tap Lotus like you could with Teferi but fast lands and artifacts sounds fantastic.

[@ChaosForce08]

@@CityState_of_Valletta Amulet is not in Historic

[@bertdog2119]

8:27 Seth just casually paraphrases Machiavelli

[@Juggernautohyeah]

As for the lag, from what I have heard, having more than 2 World Tree lands in play can cause a lot of lag. I think because each one is giving all your lands the "tap for any color" ability.

[@intelligentcounterspell16]

Your face was priceless when u hit that door to nothingness..... mine was the same 😯

[@petercollins1122]

22:58 Seth: "Wow, opponent's deck looks insane!" Have you not been playing much historic? Prior to Brother's war, this deck was almost half my matches in Bo1 on the ladder. Yeah, it's insane. The numbers have come down just a little due to all the new belcher decks in the last couple weeks, but yeah, Izzet aggro is the dominant deck in the format.

[@Cincinnatijames]

I'm already sick of Belcher decks.

[@petercollins1122]

@@Cincinnatijames They're annoying, but I think they're taking the place of some of the Mizzex Mastery-Dragonstorm combo decks, which I find so much worse. If my opponent wants to count to seven instead of counting to four, that just gives fair decks a better chance.

[@Atmapalazzo]

In the first game you can see that Seth wanted to draw an untapped white source off the rev x6 and was concerned about losing to a muxus for lethal without having access to fateful absence, so he played a tapped land, forgetting that it was his 6th land, enabling world tree's mana fixing.

[@stevebrule3526]

I got excited seeing this thumbnail, I've been playing a goofy door deck for a while now with replicating rings and a couple proliferate spells.

[@roxyn.3204]

"Less go through this funny looking door"

[@maxiewawa]

6:30 "Farewell the c*** out of our opponent" That's the strongest language I've ever heard Seth use and I've been watching since Tarkir block

[@pablez94]

snowflake alert! ⚠️⚠️ ⚠️⚠️

[@lachlank.8270]

....and keep da change, ya filthy animal!

[@nomukun1138]

>a stranger on the internet self-censors as a joke >DENYING MUH FREEDOMS! >I MUST DESTROY HIS OR HER SOUL WITH THE CRUELEST INSULT "snowflake + emojis" >ha! gottem

[@stevenreed9441]

It would be a cool effect if MTG Arena uninstalled itself from your computer when your opponent activates door to nothingness.

[@frederickbernet6689]

This is why I watch your videos. Pure gold.

[@adamtobiasz8793]

Another awesome deck brother. It was fun to see a door literally kill opponents. I had a blast brother.

[@kirillm2517]

This deck is really neat, and I was really surprised how often you got to activate the door. I'm wondering if that means that there is a controlling bant deck that ramps into Koma and Dreamtralwer in historic. Would be a cool throw back to pre-planeswalker control decks.

[@nathancrevonis3351]

One of the darkest flavor texts on any card. Love it

[@RumpledNutskin]

I'm only a little upset you didn't make the "show them the door" joke

[@Sam-xu5nv]

Funnily enough I ended up replicating your 5 colour colourless strat with Chromatic Orrery for Door in Historic, works super well!

[@Gophersaurus]

This was a super fun episode! That poor elf player, so many wraths!

[@koukaakiva]

Please teach Crim how to introduce a deck.

[@kotyrollins]

Alternate wins like that should have a unique animation.

[@quentinthelen7173]

I’d kill for an ensnaring bridge in historic

[@quentinthelen7173]

Would be the perfect answer to goblins that they could also answer with red spells.

[@cha0sniper]

I'd kill for it to never be in historic >_>

[@HurricaneGregor]

While we're there, might as well throw in some more classics: Trinisphere, Thorn of Amethyst, Mishra's Workshop... they have the Power 9 coded already, so might as well make it Vintage but with Alchemy cards at this point.

[@ryanpecina3561]

My grandpa's deck has no pathetic cards, but it does have door to nothingness

[@Kopekemaster]

Would them animating the Hall actually "counter" Boseiju? I don't think it would, because Ward is a triggered ability *when* it becomes the target of something, and since the Boseiju is already targeting Hall, I don't think Ward would trigger if they animated it afterward.

[@HurricaneGregor]

True, Ward is a triggered ability thus wouldn't trigger since it's already been targeted. Per the Gatherer rulings: "If an opponent casts a spell or ability that targets Hall of Storm Giants, and you activate the last ability in response, the ward ability Hall of Storm Giants gains won't trigger. (However, if it already had ward at the moment it became the target of the spell or ability, that instance of ward would trigger.)"

[@RafaelAAMerlo]

This was surprisingly much better than expected. I'm astonished 🤟

[@reefalefunk1244]

That was so fun to watch. Loved every minute

[@Dayyyjoey26]

Ah I remember being a very young magic player and seeing this in the M13 list and thinking it would be the most broken card ever. Come to find out it was originally printed in 5th dawn and did nothing LOL

[@Hiromesho]

Just a note on this if you target the hall of storm giants if they turn it on ward does not trigger because it’s already targeted.^^

[@Eldritch_Panda31]

@27:55 why would you bring in day of judgement over wrath of god? It just worse?

[@Niuttuc]

Not really, no, Arena doesn't feature any single card that can regenerate anything, on arena they're strictly identical except for the name.

[@Eldritch_Panda31]

@@Niuttuc Cool wasn't sure, I quit playing arena a few years ago, So used to paper magic.

[@zackestin1368]

Man, the amount of salt id be if I was the elves opponent watching this vid and your top decks.

[@counterburn1216]

This card is what got me into magic the gathering. Built my very first commander deck just so I could play it. The commander was Cromat.

[@Psyman2]

38:30 ward only matters on cast. If they turn it into a creature after you've targeted it, ward won't trigger.

[@sherlockfury]

16:43 they needed to attack with the goblin to get the treasure but could only cast the belcher on Chandra activation - it's not 'may cast until end of turn'

[@LadyMapi]

They could have still cast it, swung in with the goblin for the treasure, and then activated it. As much as it might feel like it sometimes, you don't have to pay all 7 mana at once. :p

[@forisrex]

always fun to see door, even if its not in the most jankiest deck possible, still fun to see you playing the door

[@SeiShinjitsuShi]

Your list supports Supreme verdict. Also, alt win con cards should have special animations.

[@jocoder255]

For the +1 on the alchemy planeswalker, instead of the creature in your hand perpetually getting +1/+1,you: choose one either: exile an elf card face down from your hand and put a growth counter on it, or put a growth counter on a card exiled face down with it. Elves you control have +1/+1 for each growth counter on them, and your maximum hand size is reduced by 1 for each card exiled with it.

[@ashdog9235]

Loved your historic prison deck from awhile back would love to see a more traditional stax or taxes list for historic or just any historic content personally think format has a lot of brewing potential

[@naomicoffman1315]

38:19 Ward triggers when a permanent becomes targeted, so if a permanent gains ward after it's been targeted, ward won't trigger.

[@randalljohnson6787]

Unfinity stickers make perpetual +1+1 abilities plausible

[@ElusiveOtter]

I’m not proud to share this but the truth is I just kept Wrathing and it kept working.

[@mikeciul8599]

Fugs FTW! The Hodor gag was sweet too :D

[@mikaeljordan]

That card is My Panharmonicon 😉 But it really likes the Ensnaring bridge

[@AaronRotenberg]

38:19 That's not correct. Ward works differently than hexproof because it's a trigger on target rather than making target invalid. So turning on the Hall after it gets targeted by Boseiju wouldn't create a counter-unless-you-pay trigger.

[@ther3aper561]

I know it probably wouldn't happen but I'd love to see Saf in a PPR at LRR

[@person3176]

that would be sweet!

[@DimT670]

Didn't they have crim once? Why not seth?

[@starmanda88]

Second this notion

[@ImJustHereToWatch14]

@@DimT670 LRR tends to highlight mid-smaller creators at the PPR; Seth is one of the biggest influencers in magic today

[@HurricaneGregor]

@@ImJustHereToWatch14 They've also had the indie creator Mark Rosewater on there. (Yes, it's a joke, but I'm just saying) There's also the awesome series called "Shuffle Up & Play" that the Professor at TCC puts on, which would also be amazing.

[@NoName-oe3te]

In match 4, you don't need to worry about them turning on Hall of the Storm Giants. If you've already targeted it, making it a creature won't suddenly trigger ward. By that point it's too late.

[@tliessi]

About Freyalise and historic cards : I would really like to see some tournaments/matches with paper cards and proxys historic cards to see how all this digital only mechanics could work in paper

[@Cincinnatijames]

I wish you would do more Historic content.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think I might, I had fun playing this deck.

[@tommygol15br]

38:19 incorrect Very fun deck and video though :)

[@r4g1ngph03n1x]

38:20 If a permanent gains ward after its already been targeted, nothing happens. Ward is a triggered ability so if it gains ward after the event that would trigger ward, it does not protect the permanent.

[@jaggededge11]

I've been playing around with Door to Nothingness. Currently, I'm trying to work out using Jegantha (Along with Karn, Chromatic Orrery and Paradox Engine).

[@BaygelTheDog]

Do u have a list?

[@jaggededge11]

@@BaygelTheDog It's currently a pile, but this is what I'm currently working with: 4 Llanowar Elf 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Chromatic Star 4 Chromatic Sphere 4 Meria, Scholar of Antiquity 2 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner 4 Karn, the Great Creator 2 Door to Nothingness 2 Golos 2 Jegantha 2 Paradox Engine 2 Timeless Lotus 1 Chromatic Orrery 1 Cascading Cataracts 1 Jegantha 1 Relic of Progenitus 1 Liquimetal Coating 1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship 1 Paradox Engine 1 Door to Nothingness 1 God-Pharaoh's Statue 1 Chromatic Orrery 1 Cityscape Leveler 1 Sundering Titan

[@BaygelTheDog]

@@jaggededge11 that looks sick tysm

[@grixmaw]

They could do Perpetually with stickers. Since those are now mechanics I think this is the best way that the Perpetually mechanic could work in paper based on what they have already introduced.

[@wrenoryx]

Stickers are lost in the hand and library though

[@jargon9173]

I made a Triumphant Reckoning/Mizzix's Mastery reanimator deck using Ramos Dragon Engine, Door to Nothingness as the wincon, Sphinx of the Guildpact, and Release to the Wind. Play all of the jeskai loot spells, get everything into the graveyard, play Mizzix's targeting Triumphant Reckoning, then untap and bounce the Sphinx with Release to the Wind. You get 5 counters on the Ramos Dragon Engine, then immediately use the double WUBRG mana on Door. Turn 5 ultimate jank win 😎😎😎😎😎

I need that decklist...asking for a friend xD

[@facepalmjesus1608]

Ramos + Sphinx is my way to open the Door too... i just use cost reduce artifacts

[@jargon9173]

@ 4 Faithless Looting 3 Manifold Key 4 Faithful Mending 2 Thrilling Discovery 4 Release to the Wind 1 Chromatic Lantern 4 Mizzix's Mastery 4 Door to Nothingness 4 Ramos, Dragon Engine 4 Sphinx of the Guildpact 4 triumphant Reckoning Lands are just all the red/blue - white/blue- red/white duals I have, and 3 World Tree's

@@jargon9173 Thank you very much! I'll have some fun with it

[@TMidander]

Excellent intro :D

[@jackflchen]

38:20 " we can't really Boseiju the Hall {of Storm Giants} because our opponent could turn it on and then it would be warded" This is false, Ward is a triggered ability, so once you target the Hall, it's too late, turning it on and it becoming a creature with ward doesn't go back in time before you activated Boseiju, the Ward will never trigger and they would have wasted 6 mana.

[@matthugenberg8869]

So, to explain, cards that were NERFED for ALCHEMY revert back to normal after rotation. Any BUFFS, no matter what, stay.

[@Syyrik]

the song in the opening is Nothing by the Fugs

[@ShinjiSixteen]

5:09 Ah, yes, the kind of heartless monster I respect

[@jonfarmer7914]

The video is great but what is that music at the start?!? I need to know.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's a song called Nothing by the Fugs.

[@Oceanz08]

Maybe as a fun one of you can run the card like crackle with power? Because since you're running world tree you're going to have the red Mana

[@thefoxden5753]

Try this deck on for size: Drannith Magistrate X2 Greater Auramancy X2 Ossification X2 Strict Proctor X2 Destiny Spinner X2 Damping Sphere X4 (can be replaced with anything else, it's just nice to have on opening draw if you don't have rule of law) Minimus Containment X2 Phyrexian Unlife X2 Solemnity X2 Rule of Law X2 Ground Seal X2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence X1 Shalai, Voice of Plenty X2 Defense of the Heart X2 (or without damping sphere X3 or 4 as it is an important card) Cosmos Elixir X2 The Immortal Sun X1 Approach of the Second Sun X2 (if all else fails, it's a back up plan) Avacyn, Angel of Hope X1 Mana base can be anything, but you can use 4 Lotus field thanks to strict proctor. Main idea of this deck is to prevent your opponent from being able to do literally anything. Main weaknesses of the deck are sacrifice and exile cards. You can add something to give Shalai hexproof so she can't be targeted by any removal as well, but I like to have her exposed to at least give my opponent a chance. The deck is kind of slow as well, but all around when you start putting cards down, especially when you get Avacyn, Shalai, and Greater Auramancy onto the field, your opponent is going to scopp 9/10. This deck is especially effective against tribal/aggresive decks/removal heavy decks. Approach of the second sun is a nice alternative win condition if all else fails.

[@Crusina]

Seth I love the final match and the way you played it lol Show arena players what happens when you ruin the jank players fun!

[@butdoesitscrub3457]

I've been playing this with Ramos in brawl. Been so much fun

[@syrelian]

I think Freyalise could probably be handled on a less uhh absurd levels of pump way with like +1: Place a +1/1 Counter on an Elf, if a Freyalise's Emblem is not in play, create one that reads "When an Elf enters the battlefield, remove one counter, if you do, give the Elf a +1/1 Counter", and then place one counter on a Freyalise's Emblem you control -1: Reveal Cards from the top till you reveal an Elf, add it to the hand and put the other reveal cards on the bottom in a random order -6: Create a Token named "Regal Force" with types stats abilities etc etc I don't know the exact syntax that'd be used, and Emblems always get wordy, but I feel like, while it doesn't give you the absurd "I play a 4/4 Elf" pump that buffing cards perpetually does, it does recreate the "buff Elves that have not yet arrived" energy Aside from that, Reveal dig obviously provides info Seek doesn't, and a Regal Force Token just vanishs rather than hitting GY/Exile I figure using an Emblem would make more sense than putting counters on Freyalise because A: As a Planeswalker she already hosts Loyalty Counters, and B: It means the buffs will still be in play even if she gets removed, which fits the spirit C: Just cause its funny it makes it a proliferate target I'm pretty sure Oh and D: Making it a single Emblem that uses counters, rather than multiple emblems that self-sac as part of the trigger, means it buffs many elves instead of mega-roiding a single elf

[@astuteanansi4935]

Seth out here literally sending fools to the shadow realm

[@bradleylovej]

This was a fun deck!

[@wintersmill4853]

Travis Woo had a really awesome deck that played this card back in the day.

[@Nullzeros]

This would be a fun historic match vs Maze’s end. Both ramp and want to rush to 10 lands and then just win.

[@bjj21]

Awesome man. This is pretty close to how I was going to build this. What does this deck struggle against?

[@rune30]

Should name this deck "Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

[@lt5334]

seth, game 2 against Phoenix you said "we cant boseiju hall bc of ward" but you can. you boseiju target the hall, then they activate in response but it doesnt matter because ward says "becomes the target" but boseiju already declared it a legal target, ward wouldn't trigger.

[@kieferspark9438]

Not sure why you scoop to charbeltcher, when you only need one turn. They could wiff, couldn't they? Can someone explain to me?

[@kieferspark9438]

Yeah I looked it up, he doesn't have lands, so its auto...

[@hedlankunsond4556]

Its criminal that Hodor wasnt the thumbnail

[@venomturtle17]

Seth turned into Hodor against Phoenix in match 4 "hold the door"

[@torrent0411]

I like the fifth dawn door to nothingness best, i had a door to nothingness deck back in the day but i was a poor teenager and only had two of them, but it was still a fun deck, i pretty much only played it in group games.

[@zirilan3398]

I really hope we see a return to the Sunburst mechanic at one point and a pioneer-reprint of Etched Oracle.

[@ericvargo9324]

I know I'm late to this video but I'm always shocked that Seth doesn't have the Yargle Explore variant lol

[@jimscott772]

In the Phoenix match, why were the DRC’s 3/1’s instead of 3/3’s?

[@jimscott772]

I don’t play historic so I didn’t know it got the nerf. Now I do ha.

[@adkohler]

Re: paper Freyalise: Garth one-eye creates copies of cards like Shivan Dragon, so I don't know why you couldn't have a paper planeswalker that makes a copy of a creature card that becomes a token.

[@zamba136]

My favorite Door deck is the deck that gives the opponent the door, and then forces them to willingly use the door on themselves, resetting the boardstate if they don't choose right. It's so evil.

[@TheUnspeakeable]

Why Prismatic omen or Upwelling aren't there?

[@disafear3674]

This is the sort of Magic I want to watch

[@alexleblanc6364]

I'm kinda confused as to why it was so important to draw the land against Izzet Phoenix. Seth did, then tapped the lotus and five lands to activate door and still had the world tree untapped... am I missing something, or was he wrong?

[@greenknight8811]

He needed the sixth land to activate the world tree’s mana of any color ability so he could get the second red and black mana he needed.

[@MTGGoldfish]

@@greenknight8811 Yeah, World Tree doesn't fix our mana until we have six lands, so without the last land we'd have enough mana to activate Door, but not the right colors of mana.

[@Busker_3000]

I build a Door deck around defenders using Axebane Guardians. Cheap walls(Fog bank is surprisingly OP) then clone Axebane a few times. Soo much mana.

[@Pokemonetc6969]

Wish I could play arena

[@dylanchannell2531]

What happened to it? I tried to play earlier but it didn’t let me enter matchmaking.

[@brushwagg7735]

I got a game in, just now. It was a little laggy, though. Also, does anyone know if MMR carries into mythic? I hit a lucky streak and got to top 100, but keep getting paired with plat/diamond players.

[@jakecollin5499]

@@brushwagg7735 mmr is always there

[@jakecollin5499]

@@dylanchannell2531 if I run as administrator it works, if I run it normally it just gets stuck on the loading screen

[@colerockman385]

Why faithful absence instead of leyline binding? It's a 5 color deck.... Seem like a obvious swap

[@jrjamesson]

Did I miss something, why didn't you exile graveyards with farewell against the belcher opponent with two strike it rich in the graveyard?

[@zirilan3398]

I think the thoughtprocess was to maximize the lifegain from the Command shortly after. I was also confused by that but that entire match was confusing with the amounts of misplays from the opponent

[@andretect]

This was the first single I ever bought. I thought it was the most OP card ever. Turns out I was right