$60 The World Spell = Secretly Busted in Standard? | Budget Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

[@MTGGoldfish]

I know this one isn't super budget friendly on Arena (although it is in paper), but we talk about some substitutions that can make it cheaper on Arena in the article. www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-60-the-world-spell-standard

[@eric4946]

Hey, there’s different ways to play the game. I honestly hope that imbalances in costs have people explore paper more and vice versa… Trading in Arena would obviously fix a lot of the issues…

[@christianhem2975]

Hey Seth which sleeves are you using they are awesome!

[@harrison3910]

@@eric4946 I think trading would be super cool, but it’s almost broken, as long as you have 60 cards you can have any deck. Maybe make it like a net loss trading and it would still be profitable

[@miketate3445]

A Titan of Industry is a Titan of Industry, but The World Spell could be anything! It could even be a Titan of Industry!

[@xSnarfsx]

It could even be two titans of industry :)

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

A perfect example of how bad the arena economy really is. A perfectly acceptable budget deck, and the rare count makes it expensive on arena.

[@jasonmckeogh7376]

Absolutely - a $61 deck IRL but like 12 rare cards on arena! Kills me!!

[@richardsmith9615]

Stifles creativity tbh. It's a shame.

[@anthonylewis6656]

To be fair you didn't pay as much cash for your teir 1 deck as you would've in paper

[@gaetanoscaduto4076]

@@anthonylewis6656 The FIRST deck you make in Arena is reasonable. Everything after that will cost you.

[@TwolfS3041]

*a certain asian avenger screams in angry green noises, probably*

[@saveusforgiveus]

I loved how in 4:34 Seth was so impressed with his opponents play that he even shouted the cards name!

[@zuterwer1835]

Took me a second

[@TheIllegalGuy]

It's impressive how stupid and genius your comment is at the same time

[@blitzyboi8055]

I shouldn't have laughed at this as hard as I did

[@shadowpsyke]

If I have to start facing Hullbreak Horrors every match again thanks to you, Seth, I'm going to be very sad. I thought we were free after rotation

[@Billchu13]

Timmy avatar is mandatory imo (though it ups the "budget"). Fblthp is a close second because it implies that you don't know what you're doing. Probably even more tilt enducing. 7 drop tribal is great idea, right?! Hilarious results.

[@HalTuberman]

If you weren't going for budget, Karn's Sylex might be better than Consuming Tide. In a ramp deck, it is often a one sided board wipe.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

tbf he's playing on arena. I know his "budget" is based of off paper costs, but as far as arena is concered, swapping consuming tide for 4 sylex isn't THAT big of a deal, it's mythic vs rare, but still, this deck is far budget on arena anyways.

[@fuzzyturtlez8994]

@@HomeCookinMTG taking that into consideration i'd argue that mythics are much less valued over rares. making this deck, on arena, more budget friendly with karns sylex vs consuming tide.

[@arthurkeech]

Any deck that can say "put 2 titans of industry into play" is a winner in my book

[@bizmansion]

I love the way you narrate what's happening so I can follow with just audio, especially since I can't identify a thing on the screen even when I try. Crim has the same tastes as me in deck building but I can't watch his gameplay because I never know what's going on

[@BrianMKE]

What do you think of running Greater Tanuki over Treaty and Colossal Skyturtle over Fading Hope? You lose the trample/buff of Treaty and the mana efficiency of Hope, but you gain 7 additional hits off The World Spell

[@JediMB]

1:03:54 I think that, for whatever it's worth, the best line here would have been to go Island into main phase Joint Exploration, just in case you had sorcery-speed ramp on top... which ended up being the case. Having a Topiary Stomper on the board would have probably been good.

[@gcleeman]

Yep 100% main phase joint exploration was the correct play as being able to play a stomper off the top would be best possible line.

[@Azaraeleader]

One of the best decks you've guys have put out in a while. Loved this list!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks!

[@aureant9329]

i think the New Capenna common duals that sac to draw a card could fit this deck a little better than the Thornwood Falls while keeping it budget, still this deck awakened the Timmy in me!

[@rupert7565]

I think you are really undervaluing the hermit. It helps in so many of the matchups and it gives a turn 2 play.

[@kats7930]

Loved this brew ❤️ I'm doing the similar "big creature" ramping in Pauper right now and loving it, so it fits with what I'm into atm 😊 I really like the hullbreak horror interactions you had!

[@1Shayz1]

I got 3 copies of world spell out of 4 Dominaria packs when the set launched and felt like I was cheated. thanks for giving me a deck to play them in!

[@lazarus18]

Been playing with this, and while you never faced it, I've been getting run over by red aggro, and seeing a lot more of red/black aggro with Sheoldred as top end and raid reckoner for more damage. It's just too slow for those. I'm fiddling with one less joint exploration, one less weatherseed, one less stomper, and Azusa's memory instead. Gives a turn 2 play, and also some lifegain.

[@kaitlyndavis6861]

I still think it Kool ty for being a great content creator and bringing ideas to people

[@kaitlyndavis6861]

@Raymond Malem ty

[@ArleneMarvell]

2 years ago I was sick and tired of simic and now I'm celebrating a simic deck I'm standard? We are really in the darkest timeline

[@AeroSW]

This was so awesome to see as a standard deck. I would like to see more constructions like this.

[@HomeCookinMTG]

I loved world spell as soon as I saw it, I was trying it in mono green but was having issues with running out of gas, adding blue for silver scrutiny was great idea. EDIT: I don't usually take decklists from content creators, it gets old playing against whatever CGB streamed earlier every other match, but I had to try this one out, it's surprisingly good for a deck with 12 7 drops lol

[@frienetic]

"Witherseed" Treaty!

[@matthewhalsan6459]

Coming into this video I hope it's great because mtg arena decided to give me 4 of them in my packs, not like I needed other mythics.

[@luisgutierrez8047]

Must have sapped all ur luck. Got 3 GOOD mythics completed b4 any rares

[@phoebesnow7142]

OMG Your limited edition playmats arrived and holyheck and they are so pretty! Thanks Seth and crew!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Glad you like them!

[@teej3331]

Would Karn’s Sylex not be a better option over Consuming Tide? A play set would keep the paper price under 100 bucks still. I feel like having it sit on the battlefield is better than just holding on to a tide, plus it shuts down blitzing from the underdog. The amount of ramp makes it pretty much wrath anything away.

[@nickjackson1993]

Don’t forget that hullbreaker horror can bounce spells on the stack

[@Phnxkon]

It's also named hullbreakER horror. It hurts my brain because "hullbreak horror" makes no sense. Seth please!

[@SM-hr3zo]

Great Vid! Also Missed Lethal at 39:00 for not bouncing Ertai :D

[@MrDjLonghair]

Interesting deck.. It was a pleasure to meet you at Vegas magic 30th Saffron Olive :)

[@thomasf.7940]

I love this deck! I have no way of playing with friends IRL anymore and not enough money for arena but this deck look like so much fun!!

[@taylormilleman7337]

Match 5, after casting the first consuming tide and failing to draw the land, I think it was a punt to not destroy the fable pre-loot. Although seeing how it turned out, im not sure it mattered

[@zacharymangen754]

The world spell is so close to being a good card I started 5c drafts planning to put the kami war into play but the non saga clause sucks because some of the best permanents are sagas it just needed to not be able to put another copy of itself into play as the clause and it would have been fine

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think that it should hopefully keep getting better as we get more sets. There will probably be some big artifact finishers in The Brothers' War that could be good with it.

[@roosvandendoel7385]

someone probably commented this already, but there is no need to kick joint exploration if ur mainphaseing it and if u havent played a land yet, love the deck tho seems very sweet

[@alecolson8360]

Watching Seth play is the optimal way to enjoy mtg

[@Warlothar]

It seems fun but when you play against mono-blue, or an esper with more counters than make disappear, then you understand why it isn't a sleeper deck :P . If you have hard counters you can simply play two little creatures, attack with them, and counter the titan of industry, the hullbreaker horror and the scrutiny. They can counter all your menaces because you are packed with ramp and lands, if the opponent has enough counters and he counters the menaces, you are doomed.

[@joelhatterini6392]

Alternative video title: "Simic Ramp is back on the menu"

[@henrymoxley5114]

Ahhh the exact kind of standard deck I love. Ramping to beeeeg bois. I always stan these decks

[@kadj281]

I’d love to see a non-budget deck with the same idea, it could be insane in some domain shell

[@anthonycrook6940]

Great content as always Seth, Thanks for posting so much so I can watch this while I do super shitty homework.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ugh, good luck with the homework.

[@Bugimen234]

Now i nead The World Spell proxy with Dio on it yelling his catchphrase. In foil.

[@williamdixon9508]

Missed lethal at 39:00? Could have used fading hope to bounce ertai and titan would have hit for +4 trample damage?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, yeah, probably should have went for it. There's some risk the opponent has removal with their open mana, but even if they did we'd still be in good shape. Looks like a punt to me.

[@williamdixon9508]

@@MTGGoldfish I mean not really a punt, you still crushed them next turn - deck was sweet

[@MrShinyObject]

You know Seth, if you don't have any lands in your hand, there's not really a reason to kick joint exploration during your main phase.

[@ghostwithknife416]

I bet Seth loves to watch the witherman to see if it's gonna rain today. (I couldn't resist, I kept hearing Seth say witherseed not weatherseed.)

[@Atmapalazzo]

A fun little drinking game: down a shot every time you see a deck that used to use meathook in standard.

[@maximiliangunther9597]

M5 G2 you should have main phase joint exploration. Because if you hit a stomper or weatherseed, you need to cast them.

[@burnedelite765]

I definitely have not been playing with read ahead enough. Dropping 2 Titan of Industry was hilarious

[@Afronoha]

Lately I don't find Aginst the odds videos that enjoyable. Mostly it's about doing just one thing only and that's all. If it combos off, great, you win. If you don't combo off, you struggle, mostly do nothing, and then fizzle into loss. How about focusing more onto decks that don't rely only on two or three card combo and more onto high synergy of cards? Do you remember Stake sisters? Would you consider revisiting that deck?

[@marlowelain205]

This is Budget Magic ahah, but yeah some of the against the odds decks are more or less quite linear in their play patterns. That is kinda the nature of combo decks a lot of the time though, especially in a format like standard where the cardpool is quite narrow. I think for against the odds decks a big part of the enjoyment value, at least for me, comes from the insight given on the deckbuilding process, as the individual card choices are often fairly unique and well-thought out even if the deck does revolve around one stream-lined game plan. Here though in budget magic Seth is mainly trying to highlight some deckbuilding options that can score you some wins instead of flashy decks and cool wombo-combos and the like.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I appreciate the feedback, although I think that Against the Odds decks have sort of always been like that (most of them at least) since the gimmick is trying to build around one specific card and make it work. Budget Magic and Much Abrew decks usually have more diverse plans though.

[@codywilson4938]

Wow Seth this reminds me of the first panharmonicon days when everything felt free.

[@stevomac102]

Haven’t played arena in a while. But the tier deck player spamming nice as they’re losing brings back so many memories 😂

[@hedlankunsond4556]

Hullbreak horror is uncounterable. Hullbreak horror is uncounterable

[@petersteiman2443]

Super sweet Seth. I am a bit surprised that not once did you ask if you broke standard.

[@whatisaname1486]

You don't have to pay Joint Exploration's kicker cost if you don't have a land card in your hand and you haven't played a land yet. It's a common mistake that I see a lot of players make when they play Joint Exploration. You still draw even if you don't pay the kicker cost. Kicking it just gets you that extra land drop at instant speed, which doesn't really matter when you're mainphasing it and you have no land cards to play anyway.

[@SaraKkkkkkkk]

Fairly certain he knows that. But if you have the mana and aren't using it for something else, you could draw a land.

[@whatisaname1486]

@@SaraKkkkkkkk I just said that they haven't played a land yet. They could play the land as their land drop for the turn. Why waste the mana for that?

[@eugenequek6797]

Seeing decks like this ... I am reminded that mono-black was oppressive but clearly wizard was more interested in stimulating the economy...

[@Crusina]

Seth...WEATHER where is the wither XD Also I loved this video 🥰 seeing you destroy meta decks warms my heart ❤️

[@MTGGoldfish]

How the wither today? ;)

[@codywilson4938]

@@MTGGoldfish Recking fools without reckoner bankbuster, even though this deck is reckoner and a bankbuster

[@forbiddenaether1012]

@@MTGGoldfish wither as in wither the opponents dreams with that clutch pump holy crap

[@Crusina]

@@MTGGoldfish I am SOOOO UNSUBBING AFTER READING THAT 😂 😂

[@Vijamba]

It's so crazy that this is only $60

[@stevekeenan9673]

1st hand, thought Silver scrutiny was mana drain w/ ice age art....like it's all full circle

[@bensachs1855]

Seth can read ahead on “wither”seed treaty, but can’t read the name of the card. Never change Seth, never change

[@Eldritch_Panda31]

Why in Match 4 did you decline to pay the 2? @57:50

[@yesnooo9029]

-1 hullbreaker -1 worldspell +2 one with the multiverse = fun

[@shapooopiefour7173]

I thought you were saying “HullbreakORS” and I think I like it. All shall fear DA HULLBRAKORS!!

[@martinprybylski2392]

I am truly surprised my bae, Shigeki, is not in this list. It seems so good. You need turn two plays :)

[@ursulcx299]

I've been experimenting with this deck today, I replaced Consuming wave with 1 more fading hope and 3 behold the unspeakable as my attempt at answering aggro stuff It does ok. Behold is a nice card really

[@marlowelain205]

Watching this has me wondering what could be a good replacement for the consumings, they seem underwhelming in a lot of matchups. Those seem like pretty options in consuming's stead.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, Consuming Tide sucks. I'm also planning to replace it. I might give the saga a try, seems like it could be pretty good.

[@ursulcx299]

@@MTGGoldfish Only time I really missed the tide was during a matchup vs a selesnya human token spam where I needed an actual sweeper, but otherwise behold is delaying damage on turn 1, then helps refill the hand on turn2 then flips to give a blocker. It could be better, still underwhelming but I found it sligthly better then Tide despite the higher cmc

[@leonwijnands904]

In match 4 seth didnt realise that hullbreaker cant be counterd

[@jrjamesson]

Seth's steadfast refusal to pronounce *anything* correctly (witherseed?) continues to delight!

[@rippinskid]

Cool deck! Is this deck still viable for tabletop magic?

[@fernandonarrias]

I use this deck now and it's super good ... nice!

[@Martin-qb2mw]

Awesome deck and fun games. Well done.

[@x710xTitan]

Everyone complaining they cant make the decks they want-- theres a whole list of free packs that mtga givea away with redeemable codes i mean over 20+ packs which gives u alot of rare and mythic wildcards. Go hog wild after u redeem and open them all youll see. I rose to diamond easily this season in a few days with just the rares and mythics and built almost 2 entirely finished decks and go from deck to deck on standard ranked. I beat mono reds most of the time and theyre not even finished

[@andreasalfredrokkjr405]

This deck is kinda like turn 1 ritual into hypnotic spector, just u know, slightly slower

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

If I may ask… is anyone really particularly surprised that a value ramp deck in Simic colors would do well? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I love this style of play, but it feels a bit déjà vu.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

It really bothers me when people don’t play their land before doing stuff then complain about not having the mana to pay for a counter spell. 😂😂😂😂. I’ll never forget Seth not playing his land then getting his spell shame countered to a mana tithe…. Lord that was many videos ago but still he never learns.

[@tdimensional6733]

something about 7drop tribal pleases the inherent Timmy in me

[@eclecticAce238]

You could replace Consuming with the 4 mana blue saga that wraths with read ahead

[@forbiddenaether1012]

Not really, it would give them the same amount of 2/2s, really wouldn’t help to live

[@eclecticAce238]

@@forbiddenaether1012 ahh forgot about the 2/2s maybe a 2-2 split between them... I'm sure there are cases where one is better than the other

[@KiuhKobold]

It's surprising how Seth's illiteracy can fuck up a word as simple as WEATHER.

[@alexlord4599]

Total noob here but for non-budget, is it a bad idea to go bant to hit depopulate instead of consuming tide? 🤷‍♂️ (Implicit that the land cards would be upgraded)

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, adding a third color for a Triome and a sweeper makes a lot of sense for non-budget.

[@Squiddlley]

Hey Seth! I was wondering how you might turn this budget deck into an upgraded deck? Maybe just better Lands?

[@AaronRotenberg]

The article linked in the video description says just improve the lands and maybe add Wrenn and Seven or Workshop Warchief as alternate threats and cut the Consuming Tides.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Better lands are the main upgrade (more dual lands, channel lands). Beyond I didn't really like Consuming Tide very much, so I'm probably going to cut it for Workshop Warchief. There's a discussion about it here in the article www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-60-the-world-spell-standard

[@Squiddlley]

@@MTGGoldfish Love you :)

[@vladimiruzelac8967]

This deck is sick! ❤️

[@tianruixiao9239]

whoever knew that simic ramp is good XD

[@eddiekalista3222]

I May build this deck. This looks so fun.

[@rhettk6263]

People are yet to discover the new meathook massacre from dominaria united Its the domain one, drag down below i think

[@petitsimon5643]

I added 2 Portal to Phyrexian, worked pretty great

[@petitsimon5643]

And two Defiler

[@Yig_al_Gaib4242]

43:03 Speaking of good creatures in Standard, there's another one.

[@Beanz961]

Think World Spell Ramp would be good enough for Pioneer? 🤔

[@sack9975]

Wishing for a new Hydroid Krasis for simic..

[@Tiax776]

Sweet.

[@DuelingDragonAdventures]

This is like the old Hydroid Krasis decks

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it is similar to that for sure.

[@kennethritacco6959]

New to arena…how do I get specific rates and mythics without buying a ton of useless packs?

[@matthewgray2789]

That’s the neat part, you don’t!

[@hyperion9934]

You can’t, you need wild cards to get particular cards. And the way to get wild cards is opening packs.

[@MTGGoldfish]

There isn't really a way to do that sadly, you pretty much have to open packs in some way or another to get wildcards and then turn them into the specific rares/mythics you need. Draft can be a good option though if you enjoy playing it.

[@x1LuCkySob]

this guy has got the perma "burger king foot lettuce" voice

[@Bro490]

Toe-P-Airy Stomper.

[@digitalscribbler68]

I notice the Pokemon basics are still popular among content creators? Is it because they look better in videos, or is it because they are just more fun?

[@newhampshirenate]

7 + 7 + 4 = 20+ Thet's sum fancy cipherin', ther, Sethro!

[@Slothery]

This feels like the old genesis ultimatum deck with easier mana

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

48:21 is exactly why wizards doesn't print more white counter spells even though white is mechanically allowed to have them. They don't want players having to do that subgame against any match up with white mana OR blue mana.

[@chrishoye55]

Hey Seth, which set do you think is more powerful: MH2 or throne of eldraine?

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think it's clearly MH2, although I also don't really think it's a fair comparison because MH2 wasn't Standard legal.

[@boobox2000]

46:54 If Hullbreak Horror gets countered? Read the card dude.

[@bigloquat]

deck is sick!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah! It worked way better than I expected, it might be legit good.

[@pokclaymonmaster5286]

Is there not a new card that is a creature that can steal an opponents creature? Run a few of those maybe and kick it if need be for bigger creatures

[@ciaran.downey]

Such a cool deck

[@TheEvilProfessorMonoCulture]

Budget $60 Deck all you need 16 Mythics 1 week later a FMN [Why is this Card Spiking?]

[@Temurmemer]

Build stardard zur shrines for an against all odds lol

[@jasoncornwall6379]

i play a mono green version of this.