I Love Hydras, Maybe a Little Too Much | Meme or Dream?

[@bentomjack3434]

The original version of the deck looks like “these are the cards I already have without using wildcards”

[@VicPaganiTTV]

Me playing standard just enough to level to gold or something for free packs tbh

[@ther3aper561]

Agreed, "I got these couple rares from packs and used a couple wild cards"

[@henrye3935]

Love editing the deck halfway through. It feel like that should be the point of the series.

[@jellywillreturn]

+1 to this, it’s so much more entertaining and informative than just playing a scrub deck and resenting it for an hour.

[@combatwombat8742]

Definitely agree it is the best of both wprlds

[@brettandrus1789]

Couldn't agree more

[@Nexusv3]

It makes it more like a true deck tech, which is always good content.

[@rhettk6263]

I feel like the point of this sideboard is to be a transformational sideboard Game 1 you are a big creature deck and win Game 2 they bring in all the creature removal and wraths, but since you changed ur deck completely all of their removal become dead cards and you just win

[@h.andreas9864]

So that's what the Magda is for!

[@rhettk6263]

@h.andreas9864 i actually feel like its a way to have synergy with jolyne because sac a treasure commit a crime get a treasure as slow burn/ over time value

[@hablasetacobell]

This is what I was thinking. I don't think it's the best plan ever, but it's very understandable of an idea and I like it.

[@alaraplatt8104]

was there anyone who didn't get this impression from the sideboard? seems painfully obvious

[@howtonotplayminecraft950]

Feels like a burn player got fed up with burn being bad and built a deck to make it good, but only in game 2

[@randomsocknr.3334]

Really cool to see the rebuilds in meme or dream, big fan

[@shiftygypsy89migh41]

100% greatly enjoyed the taking a subpar deck and transforming it into something more focused.

[@mitchlevitt1696]

I’d love to see a series built around upgrading the meme or dream decks

[@drewhoffmaster2969]

Call it "From Meme to Dream"

[@LadyMapi]

So now we have to know: Seth, can you make a good deck that runs Fog Bank as an integral part of its strategy?

[@metalmarlett1418]

Uhh I can upload my pillow fort brawl deck. Zoomers are not prepared for sphere of safety

[@KaceTM]

No Polukranos the only tribal hydra card in standard?

[@GaryAsphodel]

It was a decklist yoinked off of magic online, did u not listen to the intro?

[@bakarogers7146]

I assume they thought triple green pips might strain the mana base too much

[@SomethingLog]

Just because a card mentions your creature type does not make it an instant add

[@domoblazesunderplane3358]

Ah yes. The classic triple green pip creature in a 3 color deck.

[@uriahbrandenburg]

@@bakarogers7146so they instead added black to splash removal 😂 I think it was a case of not having wild cards, and making due with what they had

[@Kryptnyt]

I love Meme or Dream, maybe a little too much! Sideboard burn plan is really funny

[@czechyourselfb4uwrek]

Absolutely love the transformational sideboard idea. Needs more support from the main deck to get to the full burn setup, which is a lot harder to pull off in Jund as well. Big Red seems more reasonable as a sideboard switch or X direct damage spells

[@yacovgoldblatt7947]

I’ve always wondered which videos the crew actually watches on the channel

[@erysecret]

My insight on Boltwave: What most likely happened is that the deck's creator was not able to kill their opponent because their opponent stabilized at 1-2 life. Maybe that happened a couple times, and because of that they put a bunch of 3 damage spells in their sideboard in case it happens to them again. It's a new players thinking of knowing what the problem is but not knowing how to solve it. "My opponent keeps ending the game at 3-5 life, therefore, Boltwave and Slagstorm are perfect!" Meanwhile the correct answer would be to just build a more comprehensive and cleaner decklist in the first place. Thats what I think!

[@erysecret]

To add onto this: the most difficult part of deck building in any card game imo is knowing what your deck can do, what its purpose is, and what its best and worst matchups are. If this deck's creator continues to die to control decks, it's a lot easier to accept that they can get there if they just had 1-2 more damage spells in hand rather than realizing, okay, this matchup is bad for my deck, let me either make adjustments for that to be better (at the cost of either tempo or resilience) or ignore that and tune my deck to fight other threats, with that being my Achilles heel. That's a tough concept to conceptualize if you're a new player or even someone that doesn't play card games a lot!

[@bensteinhauser784]

My favorite hydra in standard is by far The Goose Mother. It's so goofy but it's basically unplayable. Maybe if it made clues and could eat one on ETB? As for making a good(ish) hydra deck in standard, the only way I can think of is a Jund Beans control/ramp deck that uses hasty hydras as a finisher.

[@thatoneguy7781]

30:57 probably just me but I was almost screaming "SETH! SLAGSTORM WHILE YOU HAVE THE CHA- NOOOOO" 😂

[@theoneandonlyflexo]

That scream at 11:11 was glorious!

[@williamdixon9508]

23:37 they had more life

[@Muongoing.97c]

Too much text on that card. Things just happen and there is no way to know why.

[@someguy2349]

Love the rebuilding portions of the vid!

[@covetedjewel]

Seth insults the fog bank meta, but I feel inclined to point out he scooped the whole set to a fog bank

[@Sylvr369]

I wouldn't have expected "Eidetic" to be a word that Seth pronounces correctly.

[@nathanpalmiter3260]

Having black just for fell and assassin's trophy is hilarious.

[@mori-bund]

Thank you for keeping the unranked match and commentary in. That was great XD

[@spogo1]

The mossborn dream is Mossborn with a Doubling Season, into an Overlord double land + fetch. now THAT'S a meme dream

[@athko]

this deck is exactly the sort of deck i built when i was 11-13, i loved hydras n landfall.. still do, but nvr have figured out how to build a good deck w the former; now my railway brawler is in a golgari +1/+1 counters edh deck like it should be :P

[@tacodivision2325]

as a historic player, i love to use Awaken The Woods paired up with Mossborn Hydra

[@concretel10n]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who clicks the battlefield constantly between turns

[@stompingpeak2043]

Ive been playing your hare apparent deck and its alot of fun. Im still shocked with how many games i steamrolled my opponents

[@jaxsonbateman]

This is the most "I just started playing and made a pile with my quote-unquote best cards" list I've seen in a long time. Running a card like Fell - and splashing for it no less - reminds me of running a card like Pacifism when I first started.

[@aerynmusick4548]

Fog bank takes me back to the days of 2014-era kitchen table magic

[@mancermancermancer]

11:11 Hydra brainwashing Captain America:

[@ther3aper561]

I really love seeing Seth's deck building thoughts on the rework. I don't usually watch the streams so I don't always get to see it

[@Leeyore1]

This feels like an intentional, 15-in and 15-out deck moving from G1 to G2, but use your judgment if G3. Think of a dial that says, on one end, STOMPY, and the other end, BURN. Full Stompy G1 > Opponent Sideboards for Hydras; Full Burn G2 > Opponent is confused; Your Choice G3 (if necessary). And plenty of "bridge" cards between the two archetypes. Love it.

[@Leeyore1]

(NB: Becomes weirder if you know your opponent's decklist.)

[@Deta1lafo]

I love Hero's Bane, when I started playing magic, i thought its overpowered and it was the card i beat my friend with everytime.

[@tylerdude8177]

Whew, I was beginning to think wizards was just going to come out with new sets non-stop, and Seth would devolve into a set reviewer there for a moment 😅

[@funk-masterflex2796]

I have a landfall self-mill deck that’s built around Mossborn Hydra. If you see this comment I suggest giving it a shot. Deck list: 4 Llanowar Elves 3 Seed of Hope 3 Aftermath Analyst 3 Bristly Bill, Spine Sower 4 Say Its Name 3 Loot, Exuberant Explorer 4 Mossborn Hydra 3 Nissa Resurgent Animist 2 Lumra, Bellow of the Woods 3 Altanak, the Thrice- Called 1 Nissa, Ascendent Animist 1 Walk-In Closet//Forgotten Cellar 4 Arid Archway 4 Escape Tunnel 4 Fabled Passage 14 Forest I’ve gotten the Mossborn Hydra to 16k+ with this build and it holds up against a decent amount of the standard meta.

[@carlfredrick2190]

I feel like the green instant spells that give hexproof are the only way to make that landfall hydra viable

[@forgehe]

Mossborn hydra only really works with Ordeal of Nylea, and other multiple landfall triggers to go for a oneshot

[@MAlanThomasII]

There's multiple cards in here that make treasures (including Doubling Season) or care about treasures (e.g., sacrificing them or using the mana to pump). I think that might be a part of the deck's theory, if not a very effective one?

[@marioroz3142]

Get hit by "This Town", is the new "dies to Sunfall" which was the old "dies to doomblade"

[@connorshea9085]

Hydras!!!

[@Crusina]

Bro someone made a hydra deck without one of the best hydras lol😂

[@MindstabThrull]

Toski?

[@alaraplatt8104]

actually confused about what card ur talking about

[@gareththerrien3473]

This deck screams a lack of wildcards

[@davidmcnelley8672]

Mossborn Hydra can get real insane with loot/lumra/case of the locked hothouse/molded gym/overlord. Get ya a solid 128/128+ trample for an instawin.

[@MediumChungus223]

Unless the opponent has two mana laying around to kill it whenever they want.

[@Muongoing.97c]

Might also want more than 22 lands.

[@davidmcnelley8672]

@ I think I run with 24 in mine including the fetch lands and destruction lands that way they can be replayed from graveyard for more benefits.

[@patatop850]

This remind me of my hydra deck on brawl with the 5mana hydra that make hydra cost 2 less (something vicious watcher I think), i have to rebuild it now that we have so many new hydras

[@coreysierchio4650]

Fear the fog bank, lol

[@arthurkeech]

Easily my favorite series

[@imaginarycreatures9760]

I've seen a fair number of Railway Brawler/Mossborn/Goldvein decks in Alchemy ranked over the last month or so. I pretty consistently beat them, so I don't know if they're actually any good, but it's at least an archetype people are using.

[@TheKillerman3333]

The reason they didnt gain life is becuase you had lower life then them.

[@hydra66]

My usernames time to shine

[@chriscunningham6401]

Song of Totentanz seems like it could work in the deck.

[@AncientHydraGaming]

I'm contractually obligated to like this video about HYDRAS!

[@gibbeldon]

Railway Brawler saw considerable play after OTJ's release. Personally I consider Mossborn Hydra as a turn 4 creature. I always wanna play it with a land drop, preferably a fetch land. This grows it into a 4/4, that the opponent needs to answer or it gets ugly quickly. It works best with additional ramp of course, but also in combination with early creatures that aim to add counters quickly. Letting the Mossborn Hydra enter with an additional counter and then double landfalling it from a fetch land grows it into an 8/8 trampler already on turn 4 (turn 3 with a turn 1 llanowar elf). Ideally your opponent feels pressured enough to spend their removal on your earlier creatures, so that it can live and grow to become a one-hit ko machine.

[@BartyBloopinTheBoneHog]

This would be a cool landfall counters deck, keep the wurm, the railway, goldvein Cut the weird crime jank, like fell, bolts, all that

[@qoiet6049]

i wanna see a seth version of hydras now

[@udostillhavetime]

Worth to add white for kutzil, malamet exemplar, that protects your hydras during your turn and should also draw you cards?

[@zurcan5949]

Play down here with the Fog Bank meta you see Railway Brawler all the time.

[@Frosty31Flavors]

Seth, What is your favorite flower? Does it start with Hydra?

[@LucasTigy2]

the absolute greed seth had with plotting all those brawlers when he really needed to get the hydra down sooner. goldvein hydra is a hyper aggro card that needs to get down soon so it can die and feed your other hydras. especially when you are feeding into other goldveins to get even more treasure if that one dies

[@DBanner16]

Hydras are so underappreciated, they would be as popular as dragons if they got that much support

[@braedenwinstead1984]

Now we need a crim version

[@daktastik]

More transformational sideboards, please :)

[@moosey564]

This is my favorite tribe BY FAR

[@Atmapalazzo]

I think it says something that unconditional 2 mana sorcery speed creature removal is bad in standard.

[@jobywonkanobi]

god i wish they would make more legendary hydras in a wider variety of color combos like where is my abzan hydra? Temur? Naya?

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Hey, I just beat a big green beater deck with Fog Bank. Don't be hating on it. (Though, in all fairness, I was also comboing off with Extravagant Replications and Doubling Seasons, so I had like 100 Fog Banks)

[@DroneConflict]

TIL Seth doesn't know how Beza works.

[@fuuryuuSKK]

58:03 One might call it Moss-Tron Hydra

[@rafaelbordoni516]

Maybe that player just made do with what they had. They didn't had staples but they made a somewhat passable deck with what they had and hit a jackpot to get 6 wins in a row.

[@Arkanda003]

making the opponents hydrated!!

[@petersteiman2443]

No way this 22 land deck won six matches in a row without some kind of chicanery.

[@milesalexanderperrine8273]

I may be dumb in asking, but why would fell not be a better choice than go for the throat?

[@Jigsawtwig]

Because sorcery speed removal is MUCH worse than instant speed.

[@30LayersOfKevlar]

Now make a Pioneer hydra deck. Voracious Hydra and Gargos are waiting.

[@philmelo468]

YEEEEAH MEME OR DREAM IS BACK LESGOOOOO

[@Vantanova.]

Green red hydra deck but no shivan devastator?

[@Tiax776]

Can someone explain to me why Farseek is not on MTG Arena? It seems to be legal in every format.

[@marcuscooley6796]

Do any hydra had 1st strike?

[@marcuscooley6796]

Only 1 and it's doublestrike

[@Krikenemp18]

If you're not playing a hydra deck to play big hydras, you're doing it wrong.

[@thomassidesinger8961]

2:58 you know what else is massive?

[@svendsmitha.623]

Bro fixes the deck, immediately loses w

[@uucue]

Please make a Jolene brew!

[@Savaniel]

23:14 Uh, if we can what now...?

[@ReadyAimFire_]

Why Fell though? Sorcery speed is lame.

[@hydre383]

HYDRAS LETS GOOOO!!!!!!

[@DrAngryMongoose]

If there's a time to bring in boltwave, it's against a control deck with no counterspells. Reach is super helpful there

[@Cranberrie123]

Definitely looks like a modified draft deck

[@Shimatzu95]

Boi, do i hate loot even more each time i see it.☠️

[@cornxx3]

This meta is just disgusting. So much removal and interaction. That last deck is just pure annoyance. Then again I'm more of a play my plan, make you stop it, run over you type of player. But still, I feel like I've never really seen this amount of interaction and removal before. Started playing back in 2012 or so, even the most popular W/U and Esper control didn't have this level of annoyances and I played that one for a good while. Current day Magic is filthy. Loved the old bloodrush decks in '13 the blue and black devotion decks of '14-15. The boros Glory decks with always watching in '16-17. Played some other stuff after that up until '20 and got busy with life and had to take a step back from fun. Now doesn't look like a fun time to get back in, not my style of play I guess. I also do prefer sealed/draft to constructed partially for this reason.

[@OdinMagnus]

Aww, too bad you can't use Lucea Magus Cane lol

[@fredt1983]

This deck hurts my brain.. It's like they tried to make 3 different decks... Where's the haste, why black, why not better land fetching, WHYYYYYY!!! HELP!!!

[@Abolish_Religion]

Its your channel if you want to do the edits midway go for it

[@bentomjack3434]

I hate that friggin domain deck so much “Wait, if you ramp a billion lands and cast 10 mana worth of spells and draw a whole hand every turn, you win a lot? I’m shocked!” It just takes away so much agency & fun from the game because it doesn’t matter what you do against it

[@securatyyy]

Hydras? Are you high bruh?

[@survivalizer]

This meta is so hostile to creatures.

[@KrishnaVijayraman]

Each time Seth does Meme or Dream he finds the worst way to play the deck possible... like play with the deck's strategy not against it

[@lobcat-j2o]

this is a hydra deck... only has 2 hydras in it and bunch of non hydra stuff.

[@deutscher1a]

Kinda feels like a misunderstood deck by seth All cards were interacting with each other Loot gives 2 landdrops for mosborn and gets support for hydras Goldvein becomes treasures for magda or hydras The little target crimes are support, not mainly for magda The deck wants to be agressive, not waiting for 5 turns or more for an instant kill Maybe heros downfall for the fell to have instant removal, maybe its just to get rid of deathtoucher and instant didnt matter The sideboard was planned to switch for fast crime burn, to get around control - bombs out and oppo sideboarded all wraths and removal in I can see the deck winning 6 times in a row, if played completly diff than seth did

[@ecoKady]

The amount of removal in Standard makes it as boring as modern. I love watching you, Seth, but there's nothing 1v1 I watch to watch for the next 8 months. Maybe rotate in some Civ videos...

[@gastronautmtg]

🎉🎉

[@marcuscooley6796]

Deck looks incredibly wrong....all of it

[@snoozer0101]

how is fell bad? 2 mana destroy anything no drawback should be good-great

[@sarrent979]

It’s a sorcery …

[@snoozer0101]

@sarrent979 oh didn't notice that lol

[@stephenlewis6922]

There is no way that this is how bro talks IRL, I got 30 seconds in and had to stop and write this.