Teaching Arena Zoomers About Turbo Fog | Magic: the Gathering | MTG Arena

When you really think about it the most hyped card from Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-Earth - The One Ring - is actually just the best Fog of all time, which means it's time to teach a new generation of Magic players what it's like to not be able to deal combat damage with Turbo Fog!
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[@Netro1992]

Reading so many people talking about amonkhet turbofog rather than the original makes me realize I have been playing magic for a whole generation at this point.

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

In response to the nostalgia, i'd like to flash back moments peace Q_Q

[@guilhermedasilva1795]

Same here! haha

[@davestier6247]

Same

[@rpuffs95mtg89]

i started p;laying magic in ahmonket so i never got to see the original lol

[@jackl8025]

which standard format was the original turbo fog deck from then, eh?

[@Sey318]

"Make it look like we're desperate, oh no, did we draw into an answer?" This is evil... and I love it

[@themoderatelysadpanda461]

Out of all your official and unofficial series "teaching zoomers about X" has to be my favorite

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks!

[@SANT14GO]

@@MTGGoldfish It should be an official series at this point!

[@mattm7798]

It's the MTG equivalent of your grandparents saying they had to walk up hill to school in a blizzard every day. Newer MTG players today don't know how good they have it :) Can you imagine playing thru combo winter, or affinity standard, or really early MTG where hoser cards were just brutal

[@starmanda88]

Same it’s amazing

[@shmerelize]

​@@mattm7798you forgot to add that it was uphill in both directions

[@towelociraptor]

The "Fog you" adaptation at 36:50 is way funnier than it should be 😂

[@deadded5793]

We need a full version!

[@turnipy88]

Remy?

[@deadded5793]

@@turnipy88 Ha-ha-ha

[@user-jv4ll5og7j]

Reminds me of Modern Family's Jay exclamation of "this is all one big fog cue!"

[@timcoberley16]

Seriously, so wholesome 😂

[@Duskraven377]

You think Crim is the troll of the group, then Seth plays this deck.

[@nikhilchhagan7371]

Meanwhile, Seth and his affinity for blood moon and prison was the real villain the whole time

[@bluedog4248]

This isn't the first time hes done zoomer lock decks. Gideon stasis lock comes to mind

[@jakysnaky7]

he commandeered tomers mana crypt then strip mined tomers land on his turn 1 lol

[@SANT14GO]

Crim is mostly cringe, Seth has more of the "old man yells at cloud" vibe, which is awesome.

[@thegreatestblood]

@@SANT14GO big agree

[@ullrich]

At least it actually mills relatively quickly, opposed to the Nexus of Fate/Teferi turbo fog decks from the earlier arena days. God that was brutal.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, we are nice enough for having a plan for closing out the game quickly at least.

[@TheArkhamjester]

Speaking as someone who started the game around that time. Thanks for the flashback

[@ullrich]

@TheArkhamjester I'm so sorry for what they did to you. To us. Stay strong, together we heal.

[@vladdracula2643]

Teferi is straight up the most evil card in the whole game, and the lore pretends he's the good guy.

[@MistaHoward]

Those decks aren't meant to be brutal, they're built assuming players have the basic game knowledge required to know when to concede.

[@therealjesus6464]

So hyped for Crim's Video tomorrow: "Teaching Arena Boomers about Bonecrusher Giant"

[@FinetalPies]

Questing Beast does it too

[@andrewscherzinger6585]

​@@FinetalPieswhat doesn't questing beast do?

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@andrewscherzinger6585it doesn't have toxic... I think.

[@Hh-oj3bx]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle I mean you can give it toxic with fynn the fang bearer

[@silversylvis]

Gotta say, I love the hollow, incredibly unthreatening "thunk" sound things make on Arena when they hit you and you prevent their damage. That alone is enough of a reason to make me play turbo fog. xp

[@natejablonski]

51:35 a lot of people forget that Creeping Chill reads damage, not simply loss of life

[@ziziorens348]

Bruh, the timing on that Questing Beast showing up was perfect!

[@AaronRotenberg]

I'm gonna be keeping my Bonecrusher Giants on speed dial for the next few days on the ladder now that this video is out.

[@TMidander]

@@AaronRotenberg Good old Crusher Crusherton

[@subtleknife1]

That game 1 against elves they had 169 hasty trampling power and toughness. Amazing.

[@oreosnarfer]

Nice*

[@davestier6247]

​@@oreosnarfer1nice

[@0Whitelottus0]

Did you mean 0 hasty trampling damage?

[@garageink74]

I never get that start when I play elves. But every time I play against it the opponent gets the god start.

[@lcg3092]

why didn't they kill him the turn after playing the one ring?

[@wldnrkls]

47:30 you can activate the one ring on their upkeep and because of APNAP get to mill them before Sheoldred kills you, but they'd still have to draw a card somehow 🤷‍♂️

[@kainking9123]

would love to see a part 2 where it is upgraded. This episode was absolutely hilarious how nobody(except for sheoldred) could do absolutely nothing

[@antony4067]

It is definitely a fun deck to play and you can easily upgrade to bant colours but you will have bad matchups like control, discard/graveyard decks.

[@Lorddacenshadowind]

Ulamog squashed it too

[@patrickb8134]

I tried it in Bo3. Having a deck full of fogs means you just scoop to every deck with a planeswalker. Which so far has been every match. Except for the ones that ramp into eldrazi titans which also don't care how many fogs we have.

[@MasterCrvo]

"If we're gonna hand out some life lessons, we've gotta be able to beat people where they're at." 😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@hero_kage]

Was taking a hiatus from Arena until now because after watching how fun this deck is I also wanna go and teach some lessons. Let's hope I have enough wild cards left.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It doesn't take too many!

[@hero_kage]

@@MTGGoldfish i actually had enough. Time to do some teaching!

[@brettlaplante6180]

Seth giggling to himself the entire time is amazing!

[@BobertJoe]

That 32:51 felt like the classic story of "Loot. Discard Force of Will" to prove just how much the game was over. And following that classic story, if that had been your only remaining fog, they would have scooped too easily

[@sharkman-arcanum]

That fog on crater hoof was so satisfying. I had the same reaction he did when they played it 😂

[@TheOverpow3red]

Turbofog was my first deck around Amonketh standard, seeing the thumbnail brought back so many memories. I think that you might've convinced me to reinstall Arena.

[@jakebswenka]

Horizon Chimera from Theros gives life per card draw so youd be offsetting the damage from the ring, it also has flash as well so you could side board it if you want.

[@poiri]

That card isn’t on arena yet and so isn’t historic legal.

[@Aphidae]

Personally would rather splash sheoldred or Crypt incursion.

[@jakebswenka]

Now that you mention Crypt Incursion, Profane Memento will gain him life since hes milling, its also colorless so no splash needed.

[@Aphidae]

@@jakebswenka the problem is that card is terrible.

[@jakebswenka]

@Aphidae How? its a 1 drop, gains him life for milling that offsets the Ring and makes him more survivable vs the opponent. Especially in creature heavy decks he might gain 20 plus life over all the milling. How is that bad in this scenario? and thats with only 1 out.

[@matthewowlett2792]

Ulamog is really making an effort to turn its life around as a legitimate businessperson. Respect.

[@McDodgerMan]

I think the funniest thing about turbofog isn’t the frustration of playing against it, it’s that so often the win condition is mill, in an archetype that really wants consistent card draw. It really says “I need to draw three cards a turn, but also opponent will lose MORE”

[@anannoyedpanda]

if you think frustrating your opponent is a funny thing to do, you need to uninstall. You are not welcome in the mtg community.

[@McDodgerMan]

​@@anannoyedpanda Hey, while I'm here laughing it up with Seth, mind telling me how to uninstall paper?

[@B-Randall]

@@anannoyedpanda You can be frustrated that you can’t figure a way out of a loss, but you shouldn’t be frustrated at the player for building a deck that beat another deck in a way you don’t agree with. That’s not fair to the game, and more importantly the community itself. When I find myself frustrated at MtG, I take a step back and remind myself that I enjoy the challenge of Magic. If you’re not having fun with the game, then take a break from it. Come back in a couple months when the meta has changed!

[@jacobvanoosterhout5281]

I ran a Turbofog whose wincon was Teferi Hero of Dominaria ult, with some manlands to actually seal it. Never actually killed someone with a manland, though.

[@petersan9633]

I swear questing beast has more text each time I read it, as I did not remember the combat damage prevention, I wonder what will be added next time I read it?

[@FartRainbows]

"when this card is exiled, u win the game"

[@kheliaal]

47:00 - I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something but, in that match, couldn't you activate the One Ring in their upkeep to mill them out and have the Sheoldred trigger resolve after your Tutelages’?

[@samuelfaucett7861]

That is how APNAP works, so yes

[@kheliaal]

@@samuelfaucett7861 Oh well, that’s a lesson for next time.

[@kirillm2517]

An empty library is not enough to lose the game, you need to try to draw from it. So the mill resolves first, but before the opponent goes to their draw step, the Sheoldred triggers would resolve and kill Seth.

[@zealiskander]

Drawing a card is a turn-based action that does not use the stack. You can only activate the one ring during the upkeep phase (i think), which puts the mill & the sheoldred damage on the stack... these resolve, you're still in the upkeep phase, the opponent never gets to draw, and you have 0 hp at that point, so you lose. Even if it did use the stack, though, you still couldn't manage to make the sheoldred triggers go below the draw on the stack -- they're always gonna be between your own draw and the opponent's draw (which is needed to win the game), so no way at all even if the rules were different.

[@kheliaal]

@@kirillm2517 I see, that makes sense! I was so focused on the Active player side of things that I forgot the opponent actually had to draw from an empty library XD

[@kairinrose]

I really appreciate how much narration you include in your videos. I listen to them on my hour-long drives to college.

[@moonlight_scribe]

Respect to that dredge deck for the stop on upkeep almost win with the alms.

[@JulioDRai]

50:21 you could have kept the old One Ring since it had 2 counters on it already and you still get the protection from everything from the one that goes to the graveyard and the oppenent was dead on your next turn to Teferi's Tutelage + One Ring (3 counters) activation + Growth Spiral.

[@jeffe2267]

Your Avatar and Pet are so perfect for this deck. 9:45 might be the happiest I've ever seen someone when playing Magic.

[@HCMORGI]

I had a quasi turbo fog tatyova deck in standard that I ranked mythic with. I Tried it in historic after Rotation and was crushed by questing beasts and stomps :)

[@TheLunaLockhart]

realizing the next word he'd have to say on camera starts with an N and rhymes with the last thing he said, Digger, and laughing has to be the primary experience of being a content creator. love ya seth.

[@LoonerFlight]

I'm 100% onboard with Seth singing more in videos

[@localcrow]

I remember playing against a Turbo Fog deck in a standard tournament at my LGS....I was playing W/U exalted, as soon as I saw what was going on, I just kept swinging until he ran out of answers. one of the longest and most annoying games I had to suffer through.

[@kill3stdayz910]

Brings back memories! I used to have a 5 color EDH deck that featured all of the prisons, most of the fogs, a cascade subtheme, and a ton of card draw. I loved playing that deck!

[@thetruth4654]

Fogs are my guilty pleasure in MTG, it is so fun watching people attempt to attack me and then you never die

[@aaronfreeman8252]

These new intro styles (at least new from what Im used to) are the perfect combo of explaining the deck + gameplay. I love it and feel no need to skip anymore

[@Sey318]

Ya damn kids get off my combat phase! I really wanna see lich's mastery with the one ring now

[@TheHandsomestMale]

That final self-mill deck was absolutely nutty, was genuinely amazed at how good it was. Opponent would have won if it weren't exactly The One Ring protecting you too. A great deck and pilot, was a fun game to watch. Really could have gone either way.

[@gurizuri5116]

This was awesome. Reminds me of a turbofog mill deck that I believe is decent in pauper that I always wanted to build!

[@51gunner]

Got a good solid laugh out of "Legitimate Business-Eldrazi", great video!

[@badfishsoul1357]

When OG Theros block was happening, my best friend made a Maze's End deck. None of us could beat him because all his spells were fogs or answers. Turbo fog is brutal whenever it works, but nothing compares to the hell my friend made us suffer.

[@thomashearne4670]

Person playing the Ulamog: Today I'm going to teach magic boomers about Fire Design

[@caleb7882]

I love turbo fog SO MUCh, it’s my favorite deck since Amonkhet, thank you Seth!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@CptManboobs]

Looking forward to the inevitable modern TurboFog deck video

[@mikemoyer8162]

Agreed!

[@mattm7798]

Modern def has more prison/fog effects but is there just too much value in modern for it to be good?

[@mikemoyer8162]

@@mattm7798 probably, but it would make a good "against the odds" for sure.

[@NotLavorre05]

Pauper turbo fogwould also be fun to see

[@mattm7798]

@@NotLavorre05 Ugh please no, although would like to see more Pauper content from MTGGoldfish

[@glitch23882]

Wow, the word "opponent" must be your favorite word in the entire world. You say it's so many times in all of your videos.

[@FutureOverYou]

This was actually amazing. I remember playing G/W TurboFog during the Time Spiral Standard. My finisher was either Sacred Mesa or Akroma, Angel of Wrath. The funnest ever tho was Jorael, Empress of Beasts to animate their lands and then Wrath of God'ding their whole field, lol. It was a lot of fun.

[@Tatami_Room]

45:12 you discarded 'consuming tide'. If you had consuming tide the next turn and discarded a fog or land to the tutelage trigger, then you could have consuming tide on your next turn, turn the remaining sheoldred into a legitimate businessperson and activated the ring to win the game!

[@fromadhdtodndtomtg]

Apparently Seth is teaching lots of zoomers this year, land destruction couple days ago, and today- fog!😂

[@MTGGoldfish]

There are so many things the new generate of Magic players need to learn ;)

[@EnigmaticTwister]

This reminds me of when I was a teen, and one of my friends let me borrow their turbo fog + Approach of the Second Sun deck. So much fun.

[@BlasphemieFisch]

Reading the combination of "when I was a teen" and "Approach of the Second Sun" makes me really sad. To me that feels just like yesterday 😅

[@andrewneben7949]

Ruuuuhhhhhuuthlesss. Loved every second Seth. The joy in your eyes as you turned the game around made me smile

[@freeejazzz]

Need a full-on Goldfish version of Fog You.

[@berryjon]

At least you're not afraid to show your losses, which makes you a lot better than other players.

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

Man you’ve always brought a great shirt game but Days n Daze?! I love everything Jesse Sendejas touches, but especially the folk stuff. Glad he’s doing better.

[@leaguesbelowthesea]

I'm gonna need Seth to do a full cover of Fog You

[@MTGGoldfish]

Maybe as a short ;)

[@thevaultwalrus]

The One Ring is so busted

[@MTGGoldfish]

yep

[@Dragiceoriginal]

I’m still waiting for TurboFrog. One day.

[@jonb1966]

This is by far my favorite series on the channel

[@oddsketch9969]

Against the sheoldred, if you activated the one ring on their turn, they have priority for triggers, which means tutlage resolves before their sheoldred trigger. The problem is you'd need to respond to something on their upkeep and do it before their draw step.

[@rafasr0]

You missed Gaea's Blessing in this deck to counter mill decks and to allow you to have invinite fogs

[@michaelmergenhagen7406]

Let's teach zoomers that fun is a myth. I mean, we already know that, but you don't gotta pound it into our heads with teaching us about X-

[@StevoM08]

Seth: Fog Yoo-oo Chat: Ooh ooh OOOOOOh

[@SAAdams]

It was every bit as fun as I thought it would be. It's the "winning isnt enough, others must not have fun as well," deck.

[@texhakathisia1712]

actual Fog in Arena from Jumpstart: Historic Horizons

[@Ravhin9027]

45:11 - You pitched Consuming Tide to Tutelage. If you had pitched anything else, you would have won that game at 47:00. 1) Cycle Haze of Pollen to mill for 4, going to 1 life, leaving opponent at 11 cards. 2) Consuming Tide to bounce everything but Sheoldred and the Ring. 3) Witness Protection the Sheoldred, turning off the lethal ability, 4) Replay Tutelage to mill for 2, opponent at 9 cards. 5) Tap the Ring to draw 5 and mill for 10, leaving opponent without a library.

[@laytonjr6601]

One Teferi Tutelage is fine. When you have multiple of it, then trouble starts (and The One Ring is pretty strong)

[@Lastbornschwab7]

This video legitimately made me want to play mtg arena again. Turbo fog was my go to like 10 years ago. I loved the archetype.

[@jdkemsley7628]

Wait, you had the win at 47:30! You go to 1, they go to 9 cards in deck. Pass the turn, and activate the ring on their upkeep so the APNAP makes the Tutelage triggers resolve before Sheoldred. It will pick up a 5th counter and you'll mill them for 30 cards, killing them.

[@tylergoerlich9494]

You’d still die though, because they would have to actually draw a card, not just have an empty library

[@jdkemsley7628]

@@tylergoerlich9494 Yep, you're right. For some reason, I was envisioning the Ring giving them a draw too for some reason. My mistake!

[@wazzledog1007]

That dredge deck alms of the vein tech is sick.

[@ShinjiSixteen]

15:30 OMG what a race, and well done!

[@danielbeesley1326]

The phrase “Legitimate Business Eldrazi” really got me.

[@theonlymegumegu]

16:31 "aaaahzkanta" ^_^ honestly, i was waiting to hear this from the first moment he said it's in the deck. it's been a minute ^_^

[@Dwigt00]

Love TurboFog. It being good just means that there's not enough interaction going on out there. Elves is a great example, they just put their head down and hope to win. Greasefang does the same. People are so greedy playing threats and just trying to be faster. It's not much different than field of ruin hitting a deck with no basics.

[@ShinjiSixteen]

Extremely valid point and well stated!

[@anannoyedpanda]

Incorrect. You're just a troll attempting to justify the bullshit. Stop.

[@RohanDeMark]

Damn it Seth. You are the reason I keep running into these turbofog decks. I just wanna rosie combo in peace lol

[@La_Lente_Oscura]

haha my first game with this deck was just against a rosie combo might have been you.

[@RohanDeMark]

@user-yp8zl2sz3q Maybe? I was on ealier doing my dailies lol.

[@B-Randall]

29:45 A “Legitimate BusinessEldrazi” 😂😂 idk why but that really made me laugh

[@pmsn3674]

Starting 6 of Seth's videos with 2-second intervals between them was an accident. Letting them go on simultaneously was my choice.

[@doomofthedestiny8065]

my first FNM ages back, I had a turbofog, and one of my matches was a mirror match, and I never managed to draw one of my Iona which was the only thing they couldn't answer, and they only card we didn't have in common, lol...

[@sireklz1169]

36:50 loving the Celo Green parody! Fog you and uh, Fog her too!

[@djglenn]

I ran into a handful of mill decks, so I added two copies of Gaea's Blessing into my green deck, and it's been an amazing experience.

[@jpankhurst82]

Gave it about a week in casual Historic BO1 with a few tweaks (4x Howling Mine, 2x Gaea's Blessing, 4x Frantic Inventory, upped the Witness Protections to 4, one Geier Reach Sanitarium and one Labman Jace to mill myself for an alt win if they are packing Gaea's Blessing). The deck is really only workable in Casual, against burn you dont have enough Ring effects to last out, against black you end up losing to life drain (unless you happen to have the Witness Protections at the right time). It probably has the best matchup against white or selesnya aggro but some of them are either running Blessing or Book of Exalted Deeds. Best win was milling out an opponent who had done the Exalted Deeds thing then in one turn Witness Protecting their angel and forcing them to draw with Sanitarium

[@baltosstrupelos302]

I built turbo fog back when we still had search for azcanta, and omniscience in standard. God that was fun! Win con was War for the Spark Jayce.

[@dracomasters9039]

I like how in best of three, you can switch out to a mill control deck against control decks 😉

[@zotha]

Until you run up against red decks, Stomp completely destroys this deck.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

Or green, where questing beast also completely dumpsters turbofog

[@JonaxII]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle that implies people are still playing questy, tho.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@JonaxIII still see it around quite a bit in historic bo1

[@gooob7548]

Is this the new “dies to doom blade” meme?

[@NoyzBot]

your face when the first oppo plays the craterhoof is absolutely priceless

[@StevenDrawsLive]

My boy singing some Ceelo Green. Lol big ups to you my guy!

[@RyanIcey]

Seth, playing against mill: You've activated my trap card, Reverse Uno!

[@davidthompson6861]

Game 1 is why I always pack Gaea's Blessing in my Elf decks. Never again mill, never again

[@pagmon6876]

36:50 POV of watching your opponent durdle with creatures as you have 3 fogs in hand

[@jonathanemontgomery]

That hidden “Counterspell” mode on Jwari Disruption 😂

[@alexleblanc6364]

Would love to see a no budget version on stream some time

[@TheWanderingLinstrel]

36:50 🎶I see you castin' those spells, creatures that you love, and I'm like "Fog you!" Turn 'em sideways, attack, but it won't be enough because I... fog you! If you think you'll hit me, You might as well quit, see (well ain't that some shhhhh....) Although there's lethal on board This game will go forward 'til I MILL you! 🎶

[@koolaiddude7685894]

Always enjoy the universal spy cams magically showing me this video after JUST playing against the deck in Arena 😂

[@mattm7798]

This is one of the only deck I think Seth actually wants people to beat. Turbo fog is just one of the worst decks to play against...reminds me of early control decks that had every counterspell under the sun and 1 threat.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ha, yeah, I was hoping it would be less good.

[@anthonychalmers9296]

Your constant laughing casting fogs warms my heart

[@ShinjiSixteen]

As someone that used the play Jacetator in Extended and then evolved that deck into a custom UW mill deck I still play in Modern? Thank you for helping teach other people how "fun" the archetype is

[@ernie.zer0]

I built original Innistrad Turbo Fog. It had Invisible Stalker and Delver of Secrets, equipped with Bladed Bracers and Silver-Inlaid Dagger, also a single copy of Jace, Memory Adept (because I got him from a pack and had to use). I managed to get 5th at FNM, which is the highest I have ever come. So I actually spent my Wildcards on this deck... brings back fond memories, wow is it fun! Making some changes, namely putting Psychic Corrosion in, speeding up the mill

[@Cropolite1019]

At 47:28 if you activate the One Ring during your opponent's upkeep won't your Teferi's Tutelage triggers resolve before their Sheoldred triggers? Seems like a punt to concede there.

[@Deussu]

I thought so too.

[@eskimoquinn1]

Simic Mill is just so powerful, for arena historic, you can bring mana ramp, big bodies, card draw, 100%-0% mill combo(for those that bring 200 card decks), and mill protection.

[@kjlavez]

Absolutely love turbo fog! Currently have a fog deck for pauper and commander.

[@Sauvenil]

I also built a Standard Teferi's Tutelage deck with Song of Creation when Kaldheim came out and offered the Foretell spells. (So you could foretell a spell before you discard your hand, and continue the chaos on the next turn.)

[@tennoskoom9282]

*EDIT:* Nevermind, I mixed it up. Slaughter Games is in Pioneer, not Historic. I was confusing it with Pithin Needle, which wouldn't help. This does give me a great idea for a Pioneer turbofog deck, though. Thanks Saf

[@robthehood1765]

First time I ever got to mythic was a turbo mill grixis control deck, looping your hand with Valakut Awakening and Channeled Force. Cool to see the tutelage make it back to decent relevancy~!