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@tk421eatmyshorts3 ай бұрын
What re the approved websites for links?
@TerminallyNerdy3 ай бұрын
done and done. Altho mine are all "budget" style so I am sure you could tweak em if you wanted lol
@StrangesouthFL3 ай бұрын
Watching Richard gaslight the table into thinking Crim was the biggest threat once again is why I come here every week.
@Dragon_Fyre3 ай бұрын
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 😊
@StrangesouthFL3 ай бұрын
@@Dragon_Fyre it’s great. Definitely don’t wanna change it 😎
@light-chemistry3 ай бұрын
I mean, (spoiler) he died first so maybe he was right this time. Grievous Wound is a pretty scary card 😅
@imaginarymatter3 ай бұрын
Crew: "Richard can't keep getting away with this." Narrator: "Richard gets away with it."
@RisingAboveThis3 ай бұрын
To be fair, Crim likes to do Crim stuff. 😂
@gamerp1g3 ай бұрын
Crim: *breaths* Seth: STAX
@nathanielmaloco82273 ай бұрын
The Jwari Disruption coming in from the top ropes was crazy lol
@emanuelbutler23153 ай бұрын
Seth and Phil being more triggered by a Roiling Vortex while staring down a 15/15 trampler is wild 😂
@peterhardiman73333 ай бұрын
The richard effect was powerful here
@ajbateup51013 ай бұрын
Yeah unfortunately I don't watch these guys cause their good at magic
@cockman84373 ай бұрын
But crim's stax pieces
@abeybaebe25143 ай бұрын
It dies to farewell
@emanuelbutler23153 ай бұрын
@@abeybaebe2514everything does to Farewell. So you should just not play magic because it dies to farewell.
@KVGKQuake3 ай бұрын
Actually insane that incremental pinging is seen as scarier than free green things every single turn in a play group that has proven to run very little targeted removal, as a whole
@BaconBitZ20073 ай бұрын
Such is the fate of group slug players lol my group slug deck is my favorite deck and i almost always get hard targeted the whole game lol
@jcstaff10073 ай бұрын
10:37 this represents every group slug and green deck at tables. Group slug gets hated out just for existing and green decks get to do whatever they want because “that’s what green does” mentality.
@BlindTheRhino3 ай бұрын
Green does what it wants bc the hope is that a timely counterspell/fog stops them dead. You never seem to have it up at the critical moment tho haha
@brningpyre3 ай бұрын
Seth: "Niko, niko." Oh Seth. I was expecting Crim to interject with "Nico nico niii~"
@lesternomo65783 ай бұрын
I love that Seth clearly picked up the nico nico thing from somewhere on the internet but clearly has no idea where from lmaoo
@professortusk3 ай бұрын
@@lesternomo6578 I think he was copying Crim's "miku miku" mayhaps
@Nathanael_Forlorn3 ай бұрын
Niko it's your cousin! Why don't you take me bowling? ~
@JonReid013 ай бұрын
@@professortuskI thought this too😊
@Lorrdernie3 ай бұрын
Phil's Ugin drawing is so cute
@jvt38883 ай бұрын
Phil’s art game always impresses me
@ivan-ky9mk3 ай бұрын
We really need some mtg cards with Phil's art on them. Like that Ugin in the background
@bmist6663 ай бұрын
Some in this game obviously haven't seen Profs video on threat assessment.
@DieJG3 ай бұрын
I would have loved a second game. Crim finally being able to follow his thought against Richard was awesome.
@WiLDRAGE7773 ай бұрын
Time to play the game of "Guess how long before Seth says Crim is playing stax" . Edit: Apparently under 2 minutes.
@tgumina3 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Seth thinks stax means any card that my opponent plays.
@mindhackz3 ай бұрын
@@tguminaHe thinks it’s any triggered ability that my opponent has
@blazingdynamo21953 ай бұрын
"Crim only plays stax" when Seth and Phil are both playing Ghostly Prison
@SilverCyan3 ай бұрын
"all my favorite little burn spells" *Sheoldred the Apocalypse*
@Hennesg3 ай бұрын
Is Richard ever not smiling and laughing :D
@professortusk3 ай бұрын
It's night and day compared to when some other people get knocked out first
@owlaboutme3 ай бұрын
“TOUCHED THE HAND!” - Crim
@romanmisak4413 ай бұрын
Phil's Ugin is awesome.
@fenderslasher3 ай бұрын
I want you guys to play with planechase, archenemy, or the mega dungeon that was introduced for Commander Legends: Battle for Baldurs Gate.
@Darchias3 ай бұрын
Scry 1 and draw is Opt. I've been trying to get 'Opt in', meaning keeping the card and drawing it, and 'Opt out', meaning bottoming the card and drawing the next one, to be adopted. Hasn't really caught on though.
@andrebogardus80983 ай бұрын
The classic story of watching someone ramp for 3 turns in a row but someone playing an annoying burn creature is the issue
@crawdaddy12343 ай бұрын
This game is proof enough that Crim is not a control player in Commander. He is chaos incarnate… which I love. 😂 The question is never, “What should I be doing?” The question is always, “What is the most entertaining thing I can do?”
@rafaelbarrera36013 ай бұрын
Crims spongebob reference was funny.
@hanschristopherson80563 ай бұрын
Group slug isn’t stax lol
@Antihero808s3 ай бұрын
Ok, of all the insane Ali Eldrazi sized combo plays Phil makes, Ugin is where he draws the line?! 😂
@RunninOnYT3 ай бұрын
We need more after game talk, a summary of thoughts about the game and decks.
@martinskullerud21953 ай бұрын
Yeah, that would be great. Most of the games are short enough now that there should be plenty of time in the videos.
@Lazydino593 ай бұрын
“That card is stax” is funny the first or second time but Jesus I’ve heard it like 20 times this episode and I’m not even done with it.
@gamerp1g3 ай бұрын
I am half way through and it is crazy lol And it is the two people who are actually playing stax saying it 😅
@MAXFightMan3 ай бұрын
Thanks to Crim for playing so many of the new cards! Cool to see them in action.
@hydra663 ай бұрын
The duskmourn precons each came with 10 archenemy cards. I'd like to see you have a go at that that particular 3v1 format
@JonReid013 ай бұрын
Who should the archenemy be? I vote Phil he never gets enough screen time
@Optimator73 ай бұрын
CLASH ON! Group Slug isn't Stax, but it is certainly Stax-adjacent
@TheBotchJob3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately with how Niko's ability works because it says until the beginning of your end step, it doesnt allow you to get end step triggers from the creature shards because they are already shards in the beginning of the phase. I was definitely sad to have to take angel of destinies out of my decklist 😭
@blueredlover10603 ай бұрын
Yeah, and you miss the timing with the original.
@benbresnan53252 ай бұрын
You know you can stack your triggers however you want right? Trigger your angel tokens first before they revert and the original returns.
@TheBotchJob2 ай бұрын
@@benbresnan5325 specifically with this because of how it's worded it's not a trigger you're allowed to respond to because it's until the beginning of your end step. Because it is a continuous effect that modifies objects and which duration is worded to end specifically at the beginning of a step or phase. Still, the principle with a continuous' effect duration is that the effect isn't there anymore as soon as the end point has come, here the game being in the end step. The effect doesn't exist for any point of the end step, it lasts only until the step or phase that precedes the end step ends (that would usually be the second main phase, unless some effect has modified turn structure). For Angel of Destiny's ability to trigger, it needs to exist at the point the game has entered the end step, and at that point, the shards aren't copies anymore. Niko's effect ending and beginning of end step triggers are not simultaneous in that sense. There have been multiple judges who have confirmed this that have way higher knowledge than I do. It's unfortunate but it is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
@benbresnan53252 ай бұрын
@@TheBotchJob 🤷🏼♂️ there was a judge at my local shop that rules the triggers could be stacked. I guess I can see both ways, but idk.
@TheBotchJob2 ай бұрын
@@benbresnan5325 well you can only go off of what your local judge said at the end of the day but unfortunately according to the rules of magic it's impossible to order the triggers because once the end step begins they are no longer copies of that creature. If the wording said, at the beginning of the next end step then you would be allowed but the imperative word in this instance is "until".
@RyanEglitis3 ай бұрын
Classic kingmaker trap at the end. Nobody could take out the one they needed to, all they could do was help the person they needed to kill, win
@alexkulis72953 ай бұрын
Crim did an insane amount of damage this game
@joshbrown80432 ай бұрын
Richard on his last turn talked about gaining life.. Cant Gain Life with that aura
@T.Made.It.953 ай бұрын
I absolutely love these tabletop matches! For commander and 60 card formats as well! Please 🙏🏻 Sirs.,,, may I have some More 😂
@cjfeinberg76133 ай бұрын
I don’t think Aminatou works with X cost enchantments as suggested at 43:58. Aminatou makes an alternate cost, but is not a cost reduction effect, so the miracle cost is still XXUU. (X-4) is not a valid cost.
@chrismarlow95853 ай бұрын
You're right. Aminatou basically adds a new mana cost (aka miracle cost) onto the card which is the standard cost but up to -4 generic from what it originally was. At this point X is simply "X" so is unaffected. Then, when you cast the card for its new miracle cost you decide what value for X you select. X costs are confusing and unintuitive sometimes.
@Dragiceoriginal3 ай бұрын
Someone needs to teach you guys the difference between group slug and stax because it’s getting painful hearing you call everything stax
@iforget96943 ай бұрын
It’s a joke little bro
@midn85883 ай бұрын
It's a joke
@Alikaoz3 ай бұрын
They know. They are being stupid as a bit. It's not any less grating, but they do know.
@Snipfragueur3 ай бұрын
@@iforget9694 @midn8588 Why are you guys getting angry ? Maybe this comment is a joke too
@thegamer9073 ай бұрын
@@iforget9694jokes are meant to be funny little bro
@RRWR173 ай бұрын
To take advantage of the draw ping Crim needed Teferi's Puzzle Box
@jniteshade53523 ай бұрын
Kona seems like a sweet deck. I'm not huge on mono green but this one is making me think of brewing it up. I pulled one in my Prerelease kit. Also submitted a deck for the viewer submitted episode! Excited to see what gets chosen, there were a lot of sweet brews.
@nomeacuerdo3 ай бұрын
45:13 I want so much Phil’s emblem! 😂
@heirofheart7663 ай бұрын
the aminatou in the intro looked kinda cute like spacing out looking at butterflies
@bigtristin45373 ай бұрын
You guys should do a cedh week, the first person to lose, wins episode was the closest to cedh I’ve seen and that’s been the most entertaining episode
@jeremyhicks45173 ай бұрын
The only thing that would have made Crims deck more evil is a grafted exoskeleton.
@psych0CS23 ай бұрын
I've been testing out some tech for Niko. My main goal since its really a flicker deck is to use my flickers on the 2 overlords after casting them for impending to get the counters off them right away, and then turn all the shards into copies of the Overlords and swing. Either drawing basically my entire deck or absolutely flooding the board with fliers
@pezzly46973 ай бұрын
While they have impending counters they aren’t creatures so Niko can’t flicker them
@nolandraper6853 ай бұрын
@@pezzly4697there’s a lot of flicker spells that can hit enchantments though!
@psych0CS23 ай бұрын
@pezzly4697 no. Niko can't flicker things. But the deck is a flicker deck at heart. Flickerwisp, displacer kitten, etc. I have as many cards that can flicker enchantments as I could find that are 3 or less cmc as well as tutors for creatures and enchantments. Have Overlord in hand? I tutor for Kitten with recruiter of the guard. If I need an Overlord in hand, i have tutors like enlightened tutor to go find them as well. I also draw cards at mach 11 with mystic remora, rhystic study, the one ring, ect. As well as phyrexian metamorph to copy the one ring if it hurts too much after a while, and he can be tutored by the recruiter.
@JonReid013 ай бұрын
@@psych0CS2sounds fun
@justchica32433 ай бұрын
You should do a “commander but we all play stax” but you’re just playing regular crim decks
@icycayden3 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for a Kona deck. Can’t wait to see it drop big boys
@nickjoeb3 ай бұрын
That game was awesome!
@shadowpsyke3 ай бұрын
There's something twisted about Richard convincing Phil to go hard on bounce lands and then being the one now to punish him for it.
@avesselgaming3 ай бұрын
40:51 I beleive the -1, -1 are till end of turn.... so anything that comes in get the -?
@TemurToddler3 ай бұрын
Best edh channel
@MTGGoldfishCommander3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@lukecraig49843 ай бұрын
I’d love to see another budget commander clash but instead of just doing like a $50 budget, you have it limited to the cards themselves so all cards have to be under $1 or something like that.
@bladewing263 ай бұрын
@MTGGoldfishcommander when i use mtggoldfish for arena all of the desks show as invalid with the card name the set and then a (f) am i doing something wrong if i go in and manual remove the (f) it works just a pain to have to keep doing that
@pacman37433 ай бұрын
Can someone please tell me what set Seth's gold border basics are from? I cannot find them online :/
@whaleofdarkness3 ай бұрын
Gold border basics are from the old World Championship decks. Up until the early 2000s Wizards printed the best world championship decks of the year as a not tournament legal version with a gold border.
@danielbaker53653 ай бұрын
What app do you guys use for video. It looks way higher quality than spelltable
@trashherink23063 ай бұрын
Land taste rating (play what makes you happy, I is just my personal preference) : Phil(OG❤), Seth/Richard (all different/gold border) , Crim ( I was expecting more white border)
@trollpatsch.7 күн бұрын
How is niko usually playing out? Is it fun? I played a lot of dsk quick draft the last week and built a really awesome deck with him... kinda want to build one of my first commander decks with him. Here it really didn't get to show off its stuff though 😅
@noahfriedrich46863 ай бұрын
Seth and Richard playing modern: Eidolon of the Great Revel? Do people play stax in modern?
@twhite96153 ай бұрын
I just took Kona to my LGS. It won 3 out of my 4 matches. People need to run more removal!
@mindhackz3 ай бұрын
2 stax players: we go to get rid of the stax pieces me: 👁️👄👁️
@maidonopai3 ай бұрын
My brain is stil thinking about the horrors that would be if kona had haste...
@kylegonewild3 ай бұрын
My favorite land, Shattergang Hammerpass
@JoshRudis3 ай бұрын
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" Evil dies tonight! Will Phil's little demon-child wreak havoc or will Crim just send in an army of cenobites? Tune-in to find out!
@Hadesenootz3 ай бұрын
Where does crimm get the kick ass offset cube dice?
@KVGKQuake3 ай бұрын
They are jello dice
@Hadesenootz3 ай бұрын
@@KVGKQuake that is unfortunate, possibly the most difficult to google answer D:
@UnreasonableOpinions3 ай бұрын
Yet again somehow Richard persuades the group that exploding in value every turn with no removal to speak of is just not as scary as one damage a turn.
@brningpyre3 ай бұрын
I love Mind's Dilation so much, it's one of my favourite cards. But it's usually garbage (like we see in this game), and other players massively exaggerate it as a threat. So you get little to nothing from it, and you just get killed.
@ivan-ky9mk3 ай бұрын
Seth wondering, why he won while he didn't pop off. That's why. You never were an enemy worth killing
@ashtonwestfall47773 ай бұрын
23:24 why didn’t phil use ugins -7
@Tangart883 ай бұрын
Because Richard would live
@ashtonwestfall47773 ай бұрын
@@Tangart88I missed read it; i thought the -10 was a -7
@ImThatSmooth2 ай бұрын
Crim was supposed to let the attacks go through before blowing Phil up 🤦🏻♂️
@thomasdeibele19783 ай бұрын
Let's see each time crim is on how fast he gets targeted. Lol.
@burningpapersun13 ай бұрын
Tidal barracuda isnt new?
@dyslixecturtle27553 ай бұрын
I can relate to Crim with my own playgroup lol no matter what I play the table sees it as a problem
@YellowEyedPuggle3 ай бұрын
Crim. Just say CLASH ON already.
@lord_raga3 ай бұрын
@45:05 I just love when Crim isn't here 🤣
@anthonydelfino61713 ай бұрын
Richard : Swords to Plowshares is a bad card! Also only a couple turns in, Generous Gift failed to really stop the slasher, and you've got a 15/15 trampler that turns into more tramply tokens if not exiled.... ;)
@Jlizard273 ай бұрын
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but I’m still trying to figure out what my spot removal package should look like. But wouldn’t Path to Exile maybe be a better choice here than Swords?
@anthonydelfino61713 ай бұрын
@@Jlizard27 path ramps your opponent while swords gains them life. So swords is usually better Beyond that I would say chaos warp and reality shift are staples. I also really like baleful mastery since giving one opponent a card isn’t as big a drawback in a multiplayer game. I do think you should still run those universal removal spells like generous gift and beast within. Just exile removal is too powerful to only rely on destroy
@BloodMoonGo3 ай бұрын
He finally didn't get away wirh it
@edoublem97673 ай бұрын
I hate that every time crim plays a hate more card that just does damage everyone is immediatly like stacks crim is playing stacks lol
@tardmonkey73193 ай бұрын
Phil's Ugin is better than the original
@hakarthemage3 ай бұрын
Next week no bans? How about a Golos, Tireless Pilgrim.
@carolineperez76043 ай бұрын
Do everyone playing the same tribe like four different takes on Vampires or Humans.
@chickenwyngs36463 ай бұрын
They've done a human episode, and I think dragons?
@jackl80253 ай бұрын
They've done slivers week too
@samsprague31583 ай бұрын
Ramping is stax because if they end the game too fast you can’t do anything.
@victoryarc81282 ай бұрын
Fun game
@esrohm64603 ай бұрын
so while i do not like that everything is made for commander even when it is cards for standard i kinda feel it is a flavor fail kona doesn't have "partner with a human" thats the entire point behind the beasties that they are the monstrous versions of pets that still protect their owner
@nerocapro43193 ай бұрын
No manifest tribal? ;(((((
@MentalCrusader3 ай бұрын
Phil targeting the Twenty-Toed Toad is angleshooting, isn't it?
@Steeks3 ай бұрын
It is getting harder and harder to watch Seth and Phil complain about every point of damage while drawing 400 cards and ramping like crazy every game.
@pablopandolfo84463 ай бұрын
Gets jwaried, laughts, that's the kind of player i want im my pods.
@light-chemistry3 ай бұрын
Am I being gaslit here or did no one else see Richard did in fact die first this game?? He had it coming don't get me wrong but there's a reason why he kept saying Crim was scary too
@TripsAhoy3 ай бұрын
GG ❤❤❤
@ironocy4963 ай бұрын
Three Visits can grab any land that has the type of Forest, not just a card with the name Forest.
@SaltySwords3 ай бұрын
He's in mono green lol
@m_inferno45103 ай бұрын
@@SaltySwords technically he could get dryad arbor, gingerbread cabin, and sapseep forest, but none of those seem great in his deck lol
@thatepicwizardguy3 ай бұрын
burn is not stacks lol ya'll wild.
@OhMightyONE2343 ай бұрын
do another anything goes with the new bans
@Okamithegod3 ай бұрын
Week 3 asking for Vince to come back and play a game since the goldfish ban list has cards he got banned way back
@JStack3 ай бұрын
What ?
@DotDeck3 ай бұрын
Bring him back for another season! Love Vince!
@Okamithegod3 ай бұрын
@@JStack way back on clash like early season Vince was a guest for a season and he got cradel and something else banned on the clash ban list cause he played it so much and it’s been so long I will fight to have him back in since the bans he got done are still in effect
@Niviuz3 ай бұрын
clash on is still cringe, but nice game
@CyberNewType3 ай бұрын
Tomer isn’t even being on anymore, and this was supposed to be his season. Instead we get Crim for another season and him refusing to even say the Clash on. So i’d be good with them being done with it.