Noyan Dar vs Chulane vs Varina vs Muldrotha EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@MTGMuddstah]

*There were two errors in this game.* *The first was a misplay with Rooftop Storm + Varina. Sadly, I should have looked it up on Google, but I thought it seemed clear from the wording.* *The second was a narration error involving Ojutai's Command. Eric picked Counter Target Creature Spell + Draw a Card (and not bounce, which was wrong).* *SORRY!*

[@SilHbs]

I just got to this part, and would ask about it. xD The commander tax should be paid even with Rooftop. It was about 4/6 at that time, right? And it wasn't actually "slighlty" missplay. It cost the game for Matt.

[@Casey69ism]

I like the super optimized and competitive nature of the decks played on your channel.

[@ElusiveOtter]

Every time Chulane wasn’t pronounced “Cullen” or “Hullen” is also an error. 🤷‍♂️

[@TheDaneamal]

Yeah, I was playing varina and my opponent told me about it. Broke my heart into a million pieces.

[@BloodLegaZ]

@@TheDaneamal jokes on them zombies don't need their hearts!

[@Tastedterror]

Say whip: Whip Say of Erebos: of Erebos Now say Whip of Erebos: Khwhip of Erebos

[@thisisarecording]

Whip of franctic search

[@thisisarecording]

Whip of franctic search bvbvbvb

[@expertionis794]

Are you hearing this? Yeah the man wants a Whipe of Erebos

[@whalesarefinetoo]

Man, that Noyan Dar control/make your own manland voltron deck is the illest! Legitimately impressed, that is one of the silliest win cons I have seen.

[@Atavistic07]

Eric shouldn't have been able to cast Varina from the Commander Zone after playing Rooftop Storm, as you still have to pay Commander Tax when the Storm is out.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! Sorry we missed it.

[@novaknight30]

Yep pretty much ruined the outcome of the game

[@khurgar8120]

@@novaknight30 It really didnt.

[@andrewfugle1037]

@@khurgar8120 It did though, because Eric would not have had a zombie army and would have lost. Totally swung the outcome. When a mistake like that changes who wins, it does ruin the outcome.

[@khurgar8120]

@@andrewfugle1037 He would have been about one turn behind where he was in this game, he'd still have won. The game was over when Matts couter spells ran out and the darksteel citadel got exiled.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Darksteel Citadel and Soul-Guide Lantern were the stars of this game. The former did so much damage, and the latter kept Muldrotha from ever having a graveyard to work with.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Soul-Guide Lantern seems like a solid upgrade over Relic of Progenitus nowadays.

[@maxmaier7023]

What a WONDERFUL game! That Noyan Dar deck was awesome! And everybody properly threat assessed! Awesome!

[@vanory1997]

Inkmoth nexus: No land can kill players better than me in edh. Darksteel Citadel: Hold my counters.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Aidam's downfall was to put Food Chain on top of his deck during his own main phase, thus giving everyone else a full rotation to brace themselves for the combo. Against three blue players, that's a big "NO".

[@ecos889]

Yeah especially when enlightend is a instant speed tutor if you are gonna play a combo deck you have to do it out of nowhere otherwise face punishment by other players. You need to wait until the cost is clear, have at least one counter spell just encase of a force of will and/or negation and then play the combo with an answer prepared. As a combo player has to play the game like its a mexican standoff like in the cowboy movies.

[@safertobeanonymous2224]

One of my fav episodes you’ve done! Loved the creature decks all stomping the combo deacon then swarming each other like civilized wizards! That lantern makes recursion decks quiver in fear 🥺

[@travislannoye8244]

Every time someone fails to get their list to Muddstah, a kitten dies somewhere :(

[@apock2474]

seeing as how it was the chulane deck, and it was running both Aluren and Alarm, I would hazard a guess that it is a standard high-max power list.

[@travislannoye8244]

Okay, full disclosure: every time someone does get their on-camera list to Muddstah, an angel gets its wings!

[@awesomeatm]

Sorry! I'll get the list to him asap

[@ChrisNesbittTech]

My friends and I are using xmage to have Friday Quarantined Commander games. I'd like to try out your deck so I'm looking forward to when you post it. Thanks. Edit: Ugh, this is a month old. Hopefully you've posted it already. I'll go looking.

[@Cyberium]

Always loved Noyan Dar. There was a Noyan Dar deckles that utilizes Griffin Canyon for infinite damage or infinite mill (via Altar of Dementia) that hooked me up in the first place.

[@ChonoRock1198]

Ouu I don't know of the combo, could you enlighten me please?

[@BloodLegaZ]

@@ChonoRock1198 You animate Griffon canyon with commander. Use a spell like 1. Arcane Adaptation 2. Wings of Velis Vel 3. Unnatural Selection To give it changeling, making it a Griffin. You then use its second ability on itself indefinitely and go ham.

[@Cyberium]

@@ChonoRock1198 Pretty much what BloodLegaZ said. There's also Shields of Veils Vel.

[@alexkrohn2672]

New favorite, playing my boi Noyan! Haven't seen anyone else have him in a while.

[@dmgengar]

I love this smiley faces from Sam's cards after he died. Quickly after he chnaged it to sad face, but when darksteel citadel was exiled, the smiley face returned :)

[@skfaenwulfgrimmwald3041]

Really nice game! Varina is such an powerful commander, I play an budget version of the deck by my own and I'm often surprised how the deck can escalate

[@andrewlaverghetta715]

Oh man, Varina! I used to have a Varina deck but it was more powered up than who I normally played with and I didn't end up playing it very much. I'll have to make it again sometime. So much fun to get Varina value by making cheap zombies to trigger her ability and churn through your deck. I usually won by a a Gravecrawler combo or Approach, again, getting to the card again with Varina's ability.

[@nimenpalac454]

Really loved the zombies catching up, even with the grvyard removed. I think it was quite flavorful.

[@mathewchaney5411]

Great game, didn't think the Varina deck could pull it off but endless ranks of the dead combos so well with Varina.

[@signisakanades1329]

Another misplay here is with Mana Drain: Since he cast it before combat, he would have gotten the colorless mana in the second mainphase, not on the following turn.

[@Closer2Zero]

Please please please. I NEED to see more Noyan Dar games. He's like, my favorite commander

[@urdeadnub5]

Noyan dar, one of my 2 favorite commanders! Love it (the other one being borborygmos enraged)

[@matthewmcarthur4782]

I never took Noyan Dar seriously, but it does work in this game. Apparently, I don't read well that I missed all that sweet value. I am impressed!

[@ErikTheRedd1]

2:20 "Tainted *Plains* " Technically not wrong

[@chaseshadows566]

Whoo! A new Varina video, thank you.

[@xAIFIBx]

Wizard's Tower is in Ottawa, ON, but it is on Fallowfield Road.

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Rooftopstorm doesn't ignore the commander tax.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! Sorry we missed it.

[@EDHNeoRoyal]

As a big fan of The scarab god, I was never that interested into varina for a zombie tribal, but this was a sweet game!

[@Devilish420]

Man, that Zombie army brought Eric back from death with that amazing comeback. The real MVP was return to dust for taking out the darksteel citadel.

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Zombies has a tendency of coming back XD. Thats why i love my Varinna deck, it just keeps coming back and never dies.

[@Devilish420]

@@TheRedGauntlet If I didn't already build an esper colored deck I would totes be down to make a varina deck but I'm more than happy with my aminatou flicker 4 life deck XD

[@LDIndustries]

So like, casting all of those cantrips when he didn't have his commander (Noyan Dar) out was a bad idea.

[@SirSimic]

YO the title for the Muldrotha list is hilarious. What a game though!

[@thengine7]

Mana drain's Mana should have gone into effect the same turn it was cast. The next main phase, was main phase 2.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! That might have been an error on my narration.

[@SvviftDeath]

I was looking for someone to catch this too.

[@A3Nargi]

I think it might have been an error in narration because Matt does not use the Mana Drain mana at all. So he either missed it, or chose to let it fizzle.

[@YaoBao1]

GAME SPOILERS Beautiful showing from my girl Varina! I was so sure her pilot was out of the game because he was held down for so long, but one should never underestimate that second ability (in spite of the unfortunate misplay)!

[@oliver4936]

@16:26 Ojutai's Command can't bounce. Did they really thought the spell could?

[@MTGMuddstah]

No, sorry. That was an error on my part. I've rewatched the raw video with audio. Eric had chosen to counter target creature spell and draw a card. That's on me =(

[@DaddyBearPlays]

I know this is casual, but exile zones are public information unless a card says otherwise. It's a pet peeve of mine, sorry! Otherwise, awesome video! Loved seeing Varina! Zombies rule! lol

[@travelmind5487]

I think fielf of the dead only triggers for each uniqe land. So at around 13:11 therr would be no trigher from field of the dead. Otherwise great video as always😊❤

[@MTGMuddstah]

That's not quite correct. It actually triggers off of any land entering as long as you control seven lands with different names.

[@travelmind5487]

@@MTGMuddstah oh jesus you are right. Sorry for that. That makes the card even better. Thanks for the Answer😊

[@michaelsagi202]

Is that an overlord playmat? It looks amazing

[@DakingofAP]

I know... I saw that and immediately wanted it. Would love to find where I could get one

[@Yellow_Magpie]

Didn't even notice that! Overlord art would make for amazing playmats

[@donatomezzenga7430]

what happened to the noyan dar list! was hoping to get some inspiration

[@WiskMTG]

I second this!

[@matthewwilson5578]

Was matt running a mono counterspell deck?

[@middknight5202]

Matthew Wilson it is blue white spells matter after all!! :)

[@FirstLast-wi3jx]

That's generally what NOyan Dar does

[@donovanlatherow5338]

He was at least running a mono money deck...

[@r.dommizsed2377]

nothing feels the heart more like a zombie tribal deck winning

[@Do7calm]

Andrew channelling his inner Seth/inventing the new cards Mother of Ruins.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Seth has taught me well.

[@DivinePenguin00]

This game went EXACTLY as I predicted. Chulane was gonna go out first bc he would reveal a combo. Then Muldrotha, due to her renowned power. And Varina would win because of the lifegain and being overlooked due to the power of Chulane and Muldrotha.

[@lazaruscomplexofficial]

Matt's noyan dar deck was AMAZING

[@tonyontilt3522]

Varina has got to be the vest zombie commander, 0-100 quick, never would had guessed he would win

[@adamapple8638]

I love sam's playmat!

[@Skywarp2099]

The ONE deck list I wanted to take a look at is coincidentally the one that is missing. It's sort of like finding cards at my LGS: missing the ones I need, always have the ones I don't. XD

[@WeaterdeaTH]

Does anyone know what playmat Aidan is using?

[@matiasrochaix2234]

I never saw such a fluid azorius deck!

[@Fetapeter]

Want to build a noyan dar deck, but the link is defect :(

[@GaiaEarthbound]

Is there a chance we'll see an updated Ghave, Guru Of Spores deck in the future?

[@Holyscream]

best game since a while ! really N1

[@TonyTheMahony]

The link for the decklist doesn’t work :-(

[@arielkliger6312]

Did you guys forget you start playing with a hand of 7 cards :)

[@Davidanchie]

Wow! What a game! Noyan Dar killing Muldrotha and Chulane was amazing!

[@RayZurBlade]

I think the biggest punt was Aidan going to get food chain at sorcery speed. Had he done that at an end step he wouldn’t have seemed like that much of a threat.

[@luisangelpachecoestrada3063]

Can you play a Seshiro Deck??? i dont have the idea to how build the deck. PLEASE!!!

[@ecos889]

This is how I play with varina, with manifest and the two cycling enchantments that exile creatures whenever you cycle and put them back into play and some eldrazi and dank cards like ominscence. Also run mass reamination and targeted spells too so I can cast animate dead on an eldrazi titan quite easily as variana can easily cycle that titan into the grave. ;) She for me is my eldrazi, enchantress zombie commander and as janky as it sounds it's not considering I am running stuff like flash rector to cheat out academy rector early game is possible and I then cast if possible the blue enchantment where whenever a chosen creature type etbs or attacks draw a card and keep drawing gas until I finish off with an enchanted evening and either a card that destroys all enchantments that are not yours or aura theif combo with my plan b being eldrazi beatdown with an soleminity and decree of silence lock down. Works much better than a traditional tribal deck, the only zombies that I have are the lords that bolster my tokens and token generators along with cards that changes creature types making my eldrazi titans also zombies. ;)

[@Mrbuzzfuzz]

aww I wanted to see the noyan dar decklist, it seemed pretty budget for the most part

[@nikos731]

Force of Will, Mana Drain, Full set of tutors..... looked like as close to a cEDH build as it could be to me!

[@russellmcintyre7625]

@@nikos731 that's the joke

[@johnsmithking]

Strange. I had a varina deck and I used to play with those EXACTLY SLEEVES 😱

[@LAmanafull6246]

I liked this noyan and varina decks :D (i have one Varina myself, with some ways to cheat the discard or abuse the draw) Muldrota was... Quite like every muldrota i've seen. Nothing new here. For Chulane, sadly it's a combo deck, which i put in the "Meh" section. I have one Chulane deck, but it's a 1/1 for 1 thematic. Not the same.

[@Beldurkin]

What a comeback for the zombies

[@victorramirez7439]

Great game. That was a crazy recovery for the win

[@paodequeijo7231]

Matt was the hero of this game. He took care of the pesky combo player all by himself while playing a nice and interesting deck! Well done Matt!

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

She is pretty gross as a straight zombie commander, but I play Varina as an esper enchantment deck utilising Lich's Mastery/Approach of the Second Sun as an immediate win con late game. I use the "words of" cycle to make my draws into life which draws me more cards which either lets me bounce more stuff with the blue one or discard peoples hands with the black one. I try to fuel my graveyard as fast as I can to fuel Lich's Mastery and drawing with Varina. The deck churns through itself so quickly.

[@spencersonnier1]

Boy I got little kid excited when Noyan Dar screwed over and killed that Muldrotha deck. Good lord that was beautiful.

[@nathones]

Anyone know where to find Matt’s Noyan list?

[@MarvelOfRain]

I found this decklist with a primer - it is slightly different (View from the Above instead of all unblockable cards). But it has citadel/nexus + a bunch of cheap interaction + nonland boardwipes. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/noyan-dar-slow-roll/

[@LeojPies]

Sam has excellent taste in playmats.

[@rehia3454]

Nooo they don't put the chulane's decklist :(

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'll ask Aidan for it.

[@wafflesporq]

So serious question, I dont think this is the first video ive seen it on but I want to ask: is it a house rule somewhere that people keep hands of 6? It seems super unlikely that literally every player mulligans twice, and I've seen it before on your videos, but I don't think I've EVER seen it happen in person.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Nope! I was wondering if they had all done this intentionally, but it was just an odd coincidence.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Also, if Matt had gone for Inkmoth Nexus, everyone would've ganged up on him; that's what the mere sight of infect does to a table.

[@specialkender]

Matt Rest In Piece. You deserved the victory so much.

[@sephyrias883]

0:55 That Chulane deck could've almost gone infinite just with the starting hand. I'm pretty sure he would've won this if he had waited to play his combo pieces all in one go, rather than one by one.

[@Mtglilypads]

I *really* wanted Noyan Dar to win it was such a good game. Except for Chulane. >-> bad Food Chain

[@jackfrager2542]

I see Matt with the Bone Daddy Ains rep

[@RedPoorman]

i just wanna see a ghoulcaller gisa deck actually a reanimator gisa

[@barryjimenez9641]

That was a good ol slugfest haha

[@alejandrolopez-cd8cc]

I don't understand why they show a commander then five other cards. In new to mtg so I just want to understand all the rules.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

"Hwhip of Erebos" XD

[@FernandoRojas-py6fn]

If matt would play all thats spells played at the end with norran in the field, he could won.

[@Big_Dai]

Aidan's way of tracking life is very satisfying and pleasing to the eyes

[@Vian888]

Agreed, going to steal that!

[@Keos027]

I thought the opposite, Aidan is a monster.

[@khurgar8120]

I find it strange that Muldrotha players dont play more cards like necromancy and animate dead, sure he plays one of them but why not both?. That way you can just get a bing thing into the yard and play it for super cheap. Also, seal of removal is something I just love playing. It stops so many combos and it fucks with commanders that wants to attack.

[@AidanWR]

17:30 Eric should have actually gained 4 zombies because he had 8 on board

[@MstrKipper]

Ah the classic 4 way mul to 6

[@Quroe_]

...Is Matt... Is Matt playing Land Voltron?

[@LivePhive5]

So sad to see no red decks but it's all good.

[@NarffetWerlz]

And the 'Rog came back, the very next day...

[@AidanWR]

God, it's so weird hearing my name said repeatedly while half paying attention

[@dabeast19924]

Please use nekrogoblikon as your intro music!!!!

[@expertionis794]

i wish i just had a mana drain

[@nigelwolfe4411]

Did anyone else spy Sam's Justin Parnell zombie token?

[@jredbeard1986]

Matt force of wills Varina, then bounces everything back to their owner's hands next turn. Seems like a waste of a counterspell.

[@NULLxFORxNONE]

I love a good upset

[@WaallyOne]

I've thought about this today, Muldrotha and Kethis should've had their colors switched. They'd both be doing something novel for the colors and would offer a new and interesting abzan commander.

[@michaelsomething8881]

Whip of erebos = frantic search

[@MTGMuddstah]

They're clearly identical cards!

[@vaatu1826]

i ask for chulane i get chulane lets fucking go

[@amethystwyvern]

Varina- player frustrated me at first lol, when I played her it was low cmc zombie aggro. I would overwhelmed the board with zombies and then start saccing them

[@Myrical32007]

Why are all the Varina decks so bad. I think the main thing how mine is different is its more a control deck not a token deck. It doesn't run cards like endless ranks, army of the dammed or many lords either. More cards like ghostly prison, self mill and counterspells. Also why do so many varina decks run risen executioner and unraveling mummy they are so bad.

[@TheRedGauntlet]

My version is more of a mass reanimator. Fuel the graveyard with zombies and use cards like Zombie Apocalypse to bring them back or use the super tech know as Tombstone Stairwell. The deck is really sweat andf yeah it doesn't use those cards you mentioned, but it does have some lords like Warchied and Death Baron as examples, the good lords.

[@Myrical32007]

@@TheRedGauntlet Yeah I run the good lords too lol. Now that I think about it mine is the same way. I run zombie apocalypse and Living Death. Also oh god that tombstone stairwell seems pretty good and they don't come in tapped. That was the first thing I figured out when playing more token with cards like army of the dammed and necromancers covenant. I don't run too many reanimator spells though. Right now im running stuff like call to the netherworld or cemetery recruitment. . . . . . . Wait why am I running those when I could just bring stuff back to the battlefield. I am running stitch together thought. Also should I take out grave titan? Always seems like a meh card when its in my hand (On the battlefield is a different story though) Im keeping in to reanimate it though.

[@DanG626]

All four players begin with 6-card hands... big oof

[@thissisawesome4853]

I'm interested in seeing gameplay of Varina, so I can't wait to see that quarter of the board to absolutely nothing for twenty minutes.

[@ecos889]

Ok my advice plah with manifest and the two cycling enchantments that bounce things and some eldrazi and dank cards like ominscence. Also run mass reamination and targeted spells too so I can cast animate dead on an eldrazi titan quite easily as variana can easily cycle that titan into the grave. ;) She for me is my eldrazi, enchantress zombie commander and as janky as it sounds it's not considering I am running stuff like flash rector to cheat out academy rector early game is possible and I then cast if possible the blue enchantment where whenever a chosen creature type etbs or attacks draw a card and keep drawing gas until I finish off with an enchanted evening and either a card that destroys all enchantments that are not yours or aura theif combo with my plan b being eldrazi beatdown with an soleminity and decree of silence lock down. Works much better than a traditional tribal deck, the only zombies that I have are the lords that bolster my tokens and token generators along with cards that changes creature types making my eldrazi titans also zombies. ;)

[@thissisawesome4853]

@@ecos889 I didn't ask.

[@ecos889]

@@thissisawesome4853 Nope but that deck is my baby and I love an excuse to talk about it but it is really fun and triksy to pilot. ;)

[@thissisawesome4853]

@@ecos889 Didn't read.

[@ecos889]

@@thissisawesome4853 You must be super charming to all the other ladies you encounter. . . God may have mercy on their souls for the soul eater has got them.

[@nikos731]

Food Chain Chulane, cEDH Azorious deck (Mana Drain, etc)..... is MTG Muddstah becoming more competetive as time goes by???

[@jordanwolfe607]

Running mana drain + other counters doesn't make it cedh

[@MTGMuddstah]

I really wouldn't consider Noyan Dar cEDH. These are probably more along the lines of tuned decks from people who have a large collection.

[@mariecarrillo1737]

Gg

[@eatmoretidepods2499]

I will always root for Noyan Dar