Rhoda - S01E15 - Good-Bye Charlie

It's a case of mutual dislike at first sight when Rhoda meets Joe's friend Charlie Burke, a patronizing "man's man" who is not exactly thrilled with his best buddies wife.
Air Date:
December 9, 1974

[@Martinbeef]

Even in 2022, the comedy and the acting are so funny. It’s timeless, and so very well acted and written.

[@blendezfamily8727]

Yeah, I love this show. It’s got me cracking up so much!

[@thestones8022]

2024 we still love rhoda!!! and Brenda....ida too.

[@hippychic7546]

how could anyone not just LOVE rhoda!???

[@musiclover3205]

Thank you so much for posting this series! Today is Valerie Harper's birthday. She would have been 84 years old. 💜

[@CDN1975]

"No but I'm straight as a locomotive." Too funny. Here's to the generations of women who had to deal with Charlie's on a daily basis.

[@thesilentdiva]

Don't force people to like you some people aren't meant to be in your life for a reason, especially if they are ignorant and have toxic energy like this man . Happily let the connection go ....

[@lisaward60]

I should try and bring the head wrap back,lol

[@LorraineMatthew-oe3mm]

A GREAT EPISODE 😂😂😂😂

[@shimonnunes4786]

Rhoda and Brenda had such great rapport that they were totally sisters.

[@Sydneysider1310]

Thank you very much for your persistence!

[@Kay2be2mr]

After watching Three's Company and The MTM show all my life, and now Rhoda, I've noticed that the 70s really had something against bras.

[@rosofficesolutionsinc1572]

Bras in the 70's were atrocious.

[@phillipsmom6252]

Kay2be2mr .... I grew up in the 70's , I always wore a bra.

[@janetgriffiths7200]

I don't like bras either. Thank goodness I have little ones.

[@lorimiller4301]

Hate them. Horrible, painful invention. 🙆 Freedom and comfort is where it's at.

[@conniecrawford5231]

The late 60's were the beginning of the feminist movement and bra burning was in favor. Study history.

[@pizzakrydder2515]

So far, there's not enough Ida in this show. She's so funny :)

[@prettyhamburger6462]

It gets better trust me!

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Rhoda is Ida

[@maggieb369]

When rewatching these shows so many years later, it seems that Rhoda and Joe really didn’t have that much chemistry together.

[@steveprice2718]

Yes, something was lacking and I have to site David as not being the man Rhoda "should" be compatible with. It's just my feeling as a gay man.

[@hardwired8084]

True that, he is sexy as all getout but a downer personality that does not match Rhoda's lively, funny, lovely aura!!

[@patriciascowen1713]

Rhoda and Joe had Great Chemistry. Joe had a very Honest Straight way about him which suited Rhodas Vulnerability and Personality. Joe had Great Humour too

[@bookwoman53]

Rhoda must have learned how to entertain from Mary Richards. Mary was famous for having bad dinner parties.

[@sueb6662]

bookwoman53 😂

[@JAWrightonline]

Infamous?

[@Monica_Baja]

👍🏼😎🍍 The only good thing to do during this pandemic has been rewatching these old series I vaguely rember watching with my parents .. Mary Tyler Moore, Lou Grant, Rhoda, Golden Girls ... To name a few

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Copycat

[@pathough2100]

Mary’s unfortunate parties were the fault of her friends, co-workers, and one time the lights went out.

[@randilevson9547]

Yet another appearance of Richard Schaal, Valerie Harper's then-husband, on an MTM show. He showed up a number of times. Most interestingly as both Paul and Howard Arnell, brothers and suitors of Mary Richards'. Always amusing to see how a real-life couple acts like strangers on screen.

[@meirwise1107]

Which just goes to prove the old saying Valerie Harper would look good in a sugar sack!

[@MIKIEEYEZ1975]

David Groh really made this show great!! When they fired him the show really tanked!! They made some mistake dumping him.. By the time Ron Silver came on as Gary the horny neighbor the show really got bad.. then Johnny Venture & then to top it off that idiot Boss she worked for making costumes, the show got so horribly bad!! They needed Joe & more of Rhoda’s Mother & then this show would have been a top 5 show for 6-7 years.. ( My humble opinion)

[@Monica_Baja]

I've used spare time in lockdown watching some of these old school shows I vaguely remember watching with my folks growing up ... Mary Tyler Moore, all 3 spin offs, Golden Girls, Marcus Welby MD to name a few So glad that YT hasn't shut all of them down ... Except Golden Girls looked to be filmed by someone holding a camera pointed at a TV lol

[@Carrie-xo7yx]

This actor ("Charlie") was Valerie Harper's real-life husband.

[@perpieta]

Yes, and he (Richard Schaal) also played a recurring character on a few episodes of the Mary Tyler Moore show, the early seasons; he played someone who was in love with Mary. He had some scenes with Valerie Harper on that show.

[@yolandagrady7232]

Carrie Oh, I thought he looked familiar! She said in her book that although they were married many years, they eventually divorced because they became pretty much just roommates. But they said the good thing is their divorce had no hostility nor ill will.

[@lorimiller4301]

Wow, I don't think they suit each other, even Joe is better than that guy.

[@favorite3932]

Really

[@MoonlightNothing]

👀 WOW?

[@will8026]

"Apple's Way" was a short-lived, anodyne family-oriented light drama in the 1970s. I remember it as the most boring show on tv that was the butt of many jokes.

[@dianamarie4351]

I remember that show being advertised a lot then suddenly gone

[@m.e.d.7997]

I liked it.

[@markxxx21]

Yes, but Apple's Way introduced us to Kristy McNichol

[@merricat3025]

​@markxxx21 I thought that was Family?

[@bhar48204]

@@merricat3025 This was before Family.

[@CrimsonCatacombs]

I LOVE Mary and Rhoda. Two of my all time favourite shows. The only thing that bugs me is the lack of continuity. ' Charlie ' is played by Richard Schaal who, at the time was Valerie Harper's real life husband. On Mary Tyler Moore Richard played Paul and Howard Arnell and a guy named Dino in the episode where they attempted to do a feature story about a singles bar. I swear he was also Chuckles the Clown in one episode. I find it so funny how they thought nobody would notice or care that the same actor was so many people in the same universe. Then of course there is Myrna here on Rhoda who played the incompetent waitress on an episode of MTM. Oh well. Nothing beats the classics. They just don't make sitcoms this amazing anymore.

[@steveprice2718]

There was a revolving door of repeat actors playing different characters. The same on The Golden Girls and other shows. It had nothing to do with continuity, moreso being off-putting.

[@markxxx21]

Richard Schaal was also Leo on "Phyllis" and his daughter Wendy Schaal (Valerie's step daughter) was on an episode in Season 3 of Rhoda

[@chrish7975]

Love Brenda's big enormous 8" screen.

[@Martinbeef]

Now we have 8 inch phones!!

[@TheDylan022707]

Charlie is Rhoda's husband in real life during this episode. They later divorced.

[@suzannegirard6556]

I just never like that guy......

[@yolandagrady7232]

@@suzannegirard6556 Haha. In real life, he was probably a nice guy but on Rhoda & the Mary Tyler Moore Show, he played various annoying or downright unlikeable guest characters.

[@jazzy531]

To me Joe was more her type than Charlie they're all deceased now

[@augustofernandes9669]

He was a regular on Phyllis too during its first season

[@t_hetty1758]

Neat to see the young version of Ray Curto from Sopranos as the greeter at the restaurant.

[@mthivier]

That long white dress Rhoda is wearing with the orange and grey print is the ugliest, most unflattering thing she's ever worn.

[@EphemeralProductions]

even in the 70s?? lol

[@traceyaz125]

It’s fun to see her do such a scene with her real life husband.

[@yolandagrady7232]

I don't see the big deal that Rhoda was making. I don't feel I have to be best friends with my husband's male friends nor do I feel he has to like all my friends. We are cordial to each other's friends though but if we don't care for any of each other's friends, we're not making a huge deal of it & taking the person we dislike out to lunch to analyze why we don't like them.

[@StrongnBeautiful]

Rhonda's overreacting is the theme of the show.

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Exactly !

[@m1k3ywestley7]

Richard Schaal was also on Phyllis. R.I.P

[@martyrose]

@ Valerie Harper's first husband.

[@robynhawkins48]

Why didn't she invite her sister to the party?

[@pattysolson8434]

I was thinking the same thing about Brenda and the party. But if it was all couples maybe she thought Brenda would feel awkward.

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Why indeed !

[@sueb6662]

why force a relationship if they don't like each other they just don't I wouldn't be friends with him in a million years! go where the love really is,,,,

[@StrongnBeautiful]

Agreed. There's no fool, like an old fool. At least she can always say she tried.

[@jazzy531]

The guy name charlie was Rhonda real husband in real life, i read up

[@YankeeJet24]

6:18 Rhoda (and Valerie Harper for that matter) was a great-looking girl, but that was HORRIBLE dress! I literally thought at first that it was a huge smock to protect the real dress in case of any kitchen accidents.

[@DontFartOnMyPillow619]

Prairie dresses were big in the 70's. I can remember wearing them as a kid. I hated them. To this day, if I have to wear a nice dress, I'll only buy one that goes to the knees.

[@liamariloutenkah8489]

That "dress" was hideous.

[@sherryhook9066]

Even in the 1980s, there were still Men's Only places, or Women used the side or back doors. I was in my 20s. Thank goodness that is long over.

[@Stevedup]

Who, or what says: "Yes, there is" at 5:25? Was it supposed to be Joe? Or is it a man in the audience, a crew-member, or a paranormal entity?

[@Carrie-xo7yx]

Steve Byczek I think it's Joe saying "there he is, there he is," and maybe you're hearing the first "there he is?"

[@wishmaster7438]

Steve Byczek It was Joe who said it. I use my head phones to check it. There was a game on tv that Joe wanted to watch. That's why he has said there is...?

[@cindysloan177]

+Steve Byczek It's Joe. After the doorbell rings, he says "There he is. There he is" meaning his friend has arrived.

[@zimjun7]

@@wishmaster7438 You got it.

[@randilevson9547]

Why is Rhoda wearing what appears to be a bathrobe, during dinner with Joe and Charlie?

[@lancedukel3436]

That's the infamous Howard Arnell!

[@thesilentdiva]

Everyone saying joe and rhoda don't have chemistry, i just don't see it. I think they're fine together....

[@codym8897]

First appearance of Charlie Burke (Richard Schaal).

[@StrongnBeautiful]

"He's a single guy!"...um, he's 52. 😒

[@billgreen1861]

And ?

[@StrongnBeautiful]

@@billgreen1861 Give us a break

[@nmc5858]

A party without Brenda, weird

[@homeless_greg_games]

And remember the bridal shower ? They didn’t ask their mum .

[@weltschmerski]

What happened to the green print couch?

[@sabineprennig1585]

Joe hated it

[@jamesr1703]

Charlotte Brown was a damn good writer.

[@viralbuthow000]

It was a round table but yes, she was very sharp and knew the MTM blueprint very well.

[@jarsaga]

At 5:25 when Rhoda says "there's nothing good on television," there's a semi-creepy male's voice in the background that says "Yes, there is."

[@TDawg736]

It's Joe saying "there he is, there he is", referring to their guest.

[@dianamarie4351]

IDK why but these comments cracked me up

[@ericnyamu9981]

Wow.its creepy. Lol

[@randilevson9547]

I went back and re-watched that scene. I absolutely heard the voice that said "yes there is." Yes, really weird. Maybe it was David Groh being cute, mouthing that from the side of his mouth.

[@willowharrison6754]

Great dress

[@edwardmunster7269]

Weird Episode

[@carmeldelaney1086]

Real good acting.You see them as real people whereas they are acting.

[@sabineprennig1585]

Isnt Charlie Howard Arnell fom MTM?

[@annegreenwood3624]

it’s funny how later on the actor who played charlie later dated rhoda in another season

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

And played 2 characters on the MTM Show !

[@markxxx21]

He was still Charlie and he didn't date her but he made everyone think he slept with her.

[@cami42874]

Omg really that orange dress 👗 was that ugly 😑

[@YankeeJet24]

8:30 "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

[@Gioveolympus]

So Joe had a gay friend and he didn’t realize :-)

[@wishmaster7438]

If I don't like someone I just won't tell that person. According to Cosmopolitan magazine they say...? Who takes advice from a silly magazine?

[@alteredillusions100]

very funny

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Why the same actors in every show?

[@michaelmitchell5098]

So so so 1970s...you pick the emoticon.

[@sammavacaist]

👡 📺 📻 Here's a Candies sandal and an old tv and radio. 👌🤩

[@Andrea-e3m9r]

I was soooooioo glad when Merna shot him dwn😂❤😂❤

[@jmartin4204]

women who go by every thing Cosmopolitan said really did not have a broad scope of reading and very gullible to believe everything Cosmopolitan says really sad and pathetic really .

[@dcalris]

Joe is good looking but, not very likeable.

[@nmc5858]

They loved saying terrific and sensational

[@TheAmericanGirl1967]

And Rhoda slapping her thighs

[@nmc5858]

@@TheAmericanGirl1967 Really?

[@TheAmericanGirl1967]

@@nmc5858 yes, she’ll slaps her thighs a lot with her open palms. Now that you know you’ll notice it a lot. It can be very distracting!

[@sabineprennig1585]

And rotten

[@thewrongshoes]

Would guys really want to go to a bar with no possibility of girls being there ?

[@billgreen1861]

Yes, it's called a 'Gentleman's Bar' (not to be confused with a 'Sports Bar') where men can be themselves and discussed business, art, money matters, wine and other things that some people find boring. Also a lot of smoking of cigars went on in there. Not to many around these days.

[@thesilentdiva]

U know.......

[@wookinooki9023]

white dress worst dress I've ever seen.

[@wookinooki9023]

george loros is great in this role, really slimy. and dick schaal is grrrrrreat!

[@mgreentin1811]

Coventry is appallingly depressing.. Hitler loved beautiful historical architecture, & aimed to flattern such beautiful buildings in every UK city & town, & instead of Britain waiting to rebuild the original historical buildings which would have been world famous now, they instead build inhospitable cheap ugly rubbish, so in a way Hitler won on this aspect, sadly.

[@sandraperrigio1822]

That was her real husband.

[@nmc5858]

Brenda was the best

[@kathyflorcruz552]

Perfect example of pushy feminists wrecking things.

[@BettinaBalser]

Oh, fuck off.

[@ixamxmsright]

So true 😂

[@gilliankingston8259]

There's a world of difference between militant man-haters and REAL WOMEN who have intelligence, opinions and minds of their own - don't you know that!!!

[@Kat.Evangeline14]

Hahaha ! Probably

[@thesilentdiva]

Like those blacks.....dam them and their equality ugh....... 😒

[@Lifeafterthedarknarc]

Joes laughs are extra exaggerated, not believable, is it just me? Lol when Rhoda says something funny he comes across fake

[@angelbulldog4934]

It's ACTING!

[@mariawelsh3190]

I cant believe these two were married. Ugh. Horrible. And he sounds like he really acted like that in real life. Ugh.😟

[@annettepadilla6399]

😂😅😅😂

[@eileenkung5839]

Cute sister live in same apartment.

[@carmelaszymanski8104]

Joe and Charlie.. FARTS. DON'T LIKE EITHER.. NEVER LIKED JOE.. CHARLIE. YUKK ALSO

[@ShibaMomma143]

The blatant homophobia! Wow! How far we've come. This episode would have been banned/never aired in today's world. And the outright sexism for being a woman "unescorted" in a bar/restaurant. It sickens me!

[@gilliankingston8259]

Yes, I know what you mean, it seems crazy it used to be like that - even saying that we still have a long way to go.

[@molliwilson5639]

Oh, grow up! This show is almost 50 years old. Come on! Keep it in perspective.

[@americanmanhood]

Two great homophobic scenes in this one. Horrible. I'm all for outlawing old shows like this.

[@gregmccurry5619]

***** what do you think your going to stop people from being disgusted in your sick acts?

[@americanmanhood]

Greg Mccurry The really sad thing, Greg, may I call you Greg? The really sad thing Greg is that most homophobia comes from men who are suppressing their own homosexual urges. Someone along the way told you that it is disgusting, Greg. Why do you suppose they would do that Greg? Because they were fighting these feelings themselves, perhaps Greg? I hope you find peace, Greg, and will soon be expressing your sexuality in the way that God intended for you, with men. Have a good day, Greg.

[@RuiOliveiraTV]

+americanmanhood I don't think it was homophobic...

[@EphemeralProductions]

they werent near open to gay stuff in the 70s as now.

[@revolutionaryviews9702]

americanmanhood No, you know what’s sad? You are so hung up about being gay that you have to shame guys who aren’t by accusing them of being like you. You are so insecure and full of self-hatred that you want depictions of straight guys banned, like some kind of gay Nazi. I hope you find peace and quit dragging others down into your sickness, troll.

[@markxxx21]

The main problem with Rhoda was on MTM, Rhoda was abrasive, obnoxious and pushy. Even borderline mean to Mary in some episodes. But that was to offset her insecurity of being overweight. By this time, Valerie (and Rhoda) was clearly a knockout and for most episodes lost that abrasiveness that made her so funny. Here you see more of the old Rhoda always ready to stand up for herself, even if it's self depreciating.