Much Abrew: Turbo Depths (Legacy, Magic Online)

Our Legacy kick continues this week! Last week during our Instant Deck Techs, our budget-friendly Legacy option Turbo Depths came out on top, so we're heading back to Legacy today to see if we can win some games by making a 20/20 creature as early as Turn 2! The deck is basically an all-in combo deck, with every single card in our main deck being part of our Dark Depths combo, a way to find combo pieces, or a way to protect our combo from our opponent's disruption. Is going all-in on the combo of Dark Depths, Vampire Hexmage, and Thespian's Stage a legitimate budget plan for Legacy? Let's get to the video and find out!
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Match 1: 4:28
Match 2: 16:28
Match 3: 29:54
Match 4: 37:26
Match 5: 55:41

[@jordanppepper2280]

"Oh okay, it's Emrakul, that's fine." -Seth (Probably better known as SaffronOlive)

[@mrjollyweeper6316]

Loving all this legacy content!

[@JustAnotherPest]

Much Abrew belongs to the Legacy bois now.

[@connorharris1806]

At least until KCI gets banned

[@imasiontist653]

This is legacy territory now.

[@jonathansnow21]

Two thumbs up for Legacy.

[@BenDy3223]

Absolutely loving the legacy content, Seth! I've been playing your updated Restore Balance deck in Modern and this morning I won by just casting restore balance, having my opponent call me a slur and then rage quitting. Sounds like winning to me!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Those are the best wins!

[@youngcorgi]

honestly i really like your legacy content because legacy is a format that i wish i had access too play but i dont, so instead i just like watching you play it. Its actually an awesome format!

[@bryanmanuelhernandez4078]

Never clicked off another video so fast! More legacy! And more turbolands!

[@beastlyman2]

I enjoy watching legacy more than modern now! More legacy content please!

[@JohnDoe-ki6yd]

Man, Saffron. If you know they're holding a Force at 24:00, DON'T Depths Hexmage, some other land into Hexmage makes them question their sanity in Forcing it, and maybe they let it through, then you uncounterably make Marit Lage the next turn.

[@jancukasu]

Watch out man, there's a spider on your face!

[@Audreyraficohen]

No because this way u just follow up with a turn three stage for the 20/20

[@JohnDoe-ki6yd]

@@Audreyraficohen You do that anyway by playing the Stage instead. Urborg leads to Stage tapping for B.

[@luliby2309]

I'm enjoying this foray into Legacy. It adds a bit of diversity to the channel, as Legacy doesn't get as much attention and most people have to enjoy it vicariously. Can't believe the topdecks after Cabal Therapy-ing twice.

[@fuquantiegermann3776]

Loving the Legacy content! Please play more of it! You'll improve in no time.

[@TsahayluFa]

Legacy is a crazy format. I'm enjoying it Seth. Thanks for the content!

[@MTGGoldfish]

I've been enjoying it too! Glad you liked it.

[@QuestionMarc]

Wow, your opponents are super skilled at drawing the best card to stop you over and over. I wish I could have that kind of skill!

[@StringsNStrands]

I have a feeling that all of the legacy content is due to vince's audience coming over here. Which is totally fine! Love ya'll and enjoy the legacy games!

[@fanhoop187]

Yas yaaas more legacy! Back to basics got you so good.... also humans is supposed to be an aggregating matchup more so than modern but holy crap those top decks were unreal!!

[@DommyXMommy]

I always love seeing a turbo depths decklist in my sub box. By far my favorite deck in legacy

[@Sten626]

You almost definitely want Safekeeper against Stoneblade, to protect against Swords and probably Karakas. In regards to your basic lands situation, I really like playing one each of Snow-Covered Swamp and Forest and a couple copies of Into the North to grab either them or a Dark Depths.

[@3obby]

I love watching this format, Seth!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Sweet! I plan on doing more in the future since Legacy is super fun!

[@calebj5852]

Wooo! I just played a slightly modified version of this for my area's legacy day today! It didn't go so well, but I definitely mislplayed a lot since its a new deck

[@nicholasberry8456]

I've never heard someone so excited to win a game

[@lari5875]

It's like learning legacy with you. I like it quite a bit so thanks!

[@MTGGoldfish]

This is a pretty good description :)

[@brendanerickson2363]

I love love love legacy content! Keep it up

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks!

[@troy7829]

Yes! A great new video from Seth, better known as SaffronOlive.

[@DelusionalKraut]

Loving the legacy content. I hope you play it more and expand into deck building in legacy.

[@DonovanPresents]

Got em with the good ol sneak and show! Man if I could afford that deck!

[@mrantihippie]

Please keep uploading more legacy ! Also, try ' slow depths '. Its budget just like turbo depths but involves more control. Sometimes it isnt best to ' turbo it out ' with TB..

[@daltonmekis]

Play some Nic Fit. It’s the most fair unfair deck in legacy

[@TheOnlyBootlegger]

More like the unfairest fair deck

[@jacobstormann4452]

I thought that was Death’s Shadow.

[@cloaking764]

There have been deck techs for Nic Fit but with funky names before, they just didn't win the poll.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Nic Fit is one of my favorites. I'm sure we'll play a variant of it again in the future. We almost 5-0ed with Legacy Panharmonicon after all!

[@xatex1000]

@@MTGGoldfish Nic Fit pir and toothy

[@mrantihippie]

Delver decks are so fun to watch play out

[@fishbonesoul9527]

Wait, why does Thespains Stage AND Dark Depths both go away when you use Stage?

[@alexanderuckert1316]

I love Legacy good video!

[@Chunkyh1]

Awesome content. I’m wondering if Assassin’s Trophy would be better than Abrupt Decay?

[@mrbobtehbuildah]

Seth with the premature depthsulation lol

[@Dannymiles1987]

This deck looks so fun 🤩

[@alexanderfluckiger6431]

35:34 Why not go: Llanowar Wastes -> Crop Rotation for Karakas -> Bounce Emrakul; if they the Force, they will still have it in their turn. Plus you're giving the opponent an extra draw step and the opportunity to find one.

[@donaldpurkey1864]

What do you consider Budget for legacy? The consensus seems around $500, but I consider $500-$750. Additionally, love the content, especially all the Legacy!

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm not sure. I assume $500 is about right considering how expensive tier decks are, but I don't have a really firm opinion at this point.

[@the_snakelicious]

YES, more Legacy, thank you based Seth.

[@marcoberriodi3685]

m1g1 why didn't you crop rotate mana confluence, get urborg, then activate thespian's stage?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, I don't have a good answer.

[@BeastlyP1g]

Who else was hoping for “Pithing Needle your Pithing Needle”?

[@mrantihippie]

Sometimes you gotta do that when an oponent plays em lol

[@simonandersen7942]

I like running Into the North, as well as 1 or 2 snow basics.

[@NocturneOwl]

4:28 4:28 4:28

[@ПавелКарев-с8г]

That Thesbian Stage sounded almost like a Lesbian strage

[@chrisp3564]

12:54 good batman impression

[@cannonspectacle5195]

I know there used to be BG Depths decks that played Into the North and a few snow basics as a ramp spell that can also find Dark Depths. Maybe that could be an improvement?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, Into the North for Dark Depths sounds sweet. Probably worth testing at least.

[@karstenneal1237]

Hey Seth I know at 53:41 you said you could have gotten steppe for the win, but why didnt u use the scrying anyways to be mana efficient. It looked like you had enough mana to do anything else you might have needed to do or am i missing something?

[@MTGGoldfish]

The only downside is we only have one Steppe, so if we tutor it to our hand we can find it with Crop Rotation.

[@sloth9669]

Its not as budget but would you play natural selection over sylvan library?

[@Entropic_Alloy]

I've been playing the older version with Elvish Spirit Guide and Lotus Petals to go even faster. I also run 1 Forest and 1 Swamp along with 4 Blooming Marsh. You want to go fast, and you need basics to save you from Blood Moon and B2B, along with using Thespian Stage on basics to stop Wasteland from blowing up Thespian Stages.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

Having a ton of choices is what makes Legacy so great. Even with Linear Combo decks, there are a ton of choices to be made BECAUSE of the interaction in the format.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah. It takes some getting used to after playing some much Modern where no one interacts and everyone races towards their combo.

[@georgecolby7488]

I've been playing this deck in paper for a year, there are so many cool tricks with lands. This deck really rewards practice.

[@GrimVA]

Vinces influence has provoked Seth to go on a legacy spree.

[@kartoffelnpommesgut]

Yep, you need some practice. But what a sweet set of matches this was.

[@MTGGoldfish]

The deck is a lot harder than it looks! I figured it would be easy (just sort of go for your combo and hope for the best) but there are a ton of little choices that make it hard!

[@kartoffelnpommesgut]

@@MTGGoldfish I run a different, also little budget friendly list of dark Depths. I can share it if you like to see it.

[@Borkybaby]

I love you playing legacy. Sooo happy. Million likes.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm having a ton of fun with it too.

[@nessearthbound3107]

In Game 3 vs Infect why didn't you play Maze of Ith instead of Mana Confluence so you could prevent some damage?

[@int3r4ct]

Its been a while since I played Omni-Tell but I’m pretty sure they just have a wish board and not too much of an actual sideboard to worry about. Edit: wait, that was a Sneak and Show deck after all? What

[@DonovanPresents]

Sneak and Show is a bit more popular than omni tell tbh...

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was Omni-Tell.

[@int3r4ct]

@@MTGGoldfish I've never seen a Sneak and Show deck running Firemind's Foresight, so maybe they just had 3 Sneak Attacks in their sideboard, who knows.

[@spudface1753]

@MTGGoldfish there are actually 3-4 variants of show and tell decks. He was on Omnisneak or Trinity. It plays 3 ofs across the board (except the card show and tell) with a full wish board to attack from another axis. It also allows the player to win at instant speed while still retaining the traditional sneak and show threats

[@klowngaming4507]

Is there a reason Life From the Loam wasn't in this deck?? it seems like its just a red-less version of legacy lands that would benefit from that card

[@ggwtf2273]

Was that Human player punting by not using Wasteland immediately (two times)?

[@jancukasu]

6:06 Welcome to Legacy! Where opponent scoops up after couple of turns

[@KomoliRihyoh]

Yes!!!!! This is the brew i've been waiting for!!!!!

[@1matzeplayer1]

Awesoooome. We love legacyyyy

[@benjaminzeledon7626]

this was actually the first deck I ever played!!! Ahh!!!

[@НурсултанТалгатулы-ф6м]

That golgari charm reaction xD

[@brunnun]

51:50 if he plays a Thespian Stage before Wastelanding the Wasteland he gets a Marit right?

[@Flickstro]

Damn, Legacy is craaazy!!

[@kinkajuu1]

you played into everything your opponents had...

[@0nCoolDown]

Seth we need more legacy!!!

[@Optimator7]

Digging the Legacy

[@midnalight6419]

Hell yeah! More legacy

[@turnipy88]

51:37 why didn’t you play the Stage before Wasting?

[@alexanderfluckiger6431]

45:41 Sac a land to give the token Hexproof. That's what the Sylvan Safekeeper is there for.

[@bryanprescott8083]

That would have worked except it was revokered.

[@alexanderfluckiger6431]

@@bryanprescott8083 :-(

[@colgatelampinen2501]

Last opponent was TES. ANT is the one that plays cards like Cabal Ritual and Dark Petition, not cards like Rite of Flame, Chrome Mox and Mox Opal. ANT is about half a turn slower than TES and it goes more often for deterministic PiF kills and less often for natural storm and probabilistic Ad Nauseam lines. ANT also kills with Tendrils more often than TES.

[@zacharychanoi2325]

Hey Seth! An impromptu Raid Against the odds deck would be pretty cool with Emrukal and stuff.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Seems like a good Against the Odds option.

[@jordanmeyers615]

Just wondering, why no thought seize in legacy?

[@Borkybaby]

Wish this deck played even 3 wasteland, few loams. Screw budgets. Haha this is legacy baby. We put the kids to bed early tonight.

[@TheEdgedCarbine]

Probably because of budget? I know this is a Much Abrew episode but Seth mentioned something about budget/being relatively cheap during the intro.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah. It is a deck that 5-0ed a league, but it does appear to be at least semi-budget (it's still $500, but by Legacy standards that's pretty cheap).

[@Borkybaby]

MTGGoldfish absolutely cheap for legacy :) I’m just that type of individual that any time I can counter spells, and destroy lands... it’s very very satisfying hahaha. But it is budget and made me super happy to watch. I’m going to watch it two more times today haha.

[@JAGFT]

You are going to pithing needle wasteland every game, that's why you run ghost quarter

[@Borkybaby]

Justin Fuller-Thomson I do like ghost quarter in legacy :) it’s fun against eldrazi too. Straight up strip mine

[@nooneatall5612]

Yay I love Legacy!

[@adammoldover8769]

Why is the Karakas text in a different font than the rest of the cards? Is this because it’s an Ultimate Box Topper version?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, that's the box topper.

[@Magnivore519]

I'm not a legacy player but I'm pretty sure there's a deck called 'Sneak and Show' which includes *drumroll please* Show and Tell as well as Sneak Attack.

[@Jigsawtwig]

Nobody can afford legacy and the modern meta blows right now so we live vicariously through you, Seth.

[@Finngrinder]

I think you mean "Modern is good for once and Legacy should have Delver, Terminus and Surgical gone to finally not suck anymore". The decks Seth played were actually semi interesting this time but that's not where Legacy is at generally now

[@wshayne]

@@Finngrinder I'm not sure if you've looked at the challenges recently... The mtgo legacy meta is super open, the last challenge top 8 had like 8 different archetypes.

[@Jigsawtwig]

@@Finngrinder lol modern is a degenerate wasteland right now.

[@baileyrose6459]

@@Jigsawtwig and it's still fun

[@Kaowaul]

What are your thoughts on using Grim Discovery in a budget Turbo Depths as a way to get back both hexmage and depths?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Hmm, could be worth a slot for when the games go long and the opponent has disruption.

[@Kaowaul]

Back when I only played kitchen table magic, I had a mono-nlack deck built from original zendikar, and 2 of the guys in my play group were much more experienced and gave me 2 Dark Depths to add to my deck. I then quickly saw the value of having a single spell that could retrieve both of my pieces to my combo if it was ever disrupted. The joy of: making Marit Lage, seeing my opponent scramble to answer it, then spend 2 mana to retrieve the 2 pieces and 2 more mana to replay the hexmage and then landdrop depths just so I can make it again, and seeing the hope drain from their face

[@havendavis4318]

in match 1 game 2 if you had crop rotated mana confluence for dark depths then played urborg from hand you cohldve tapped depths and urborg to activate thespians stage and make marit lage to block

[@mrbobtehbuildah]

9:00 could have played urborg and mapped for dd or crop rotation the confluence into urborg then mapped the dd. Make a marit eot

[@MagicalHackerMTG]

Is it bad that this deck makes me want to try to port this over into commander for a video on my channel?

[@MTGGoldfish]

You could. I think all of the important pieces are legal in Commander. Plus you can play something like The Gitrog Monster as your commander.

[@MagicalHackerMTG]

@@MTGGoldfish ooooh that could be neat! I was thinking about Abzan actually to get access to Weathered Wayfarer and equipment tutors to find Helm of the Host. Is this a ridiculous idea? Absolutely lol

[@cosmotect]

Play Arena rector Seth :) I pulled a foil one back at Battlebond prerelease in my single booster pack prize. I think it should be fun!

[@warwerewolf777]

Seth, you maybe could've included crucible of worlds so you could've recovered lost stages / depths

[@JustAnotherPest]

Oh, the first two games are against the same guy.

[@tomjackal5708]

the first two games? I should hope so oh you mean matches

[@pogeman2345]

Found the arena player

[@Jaguar2100]

Huh. I had to back and check, but yeah. Same guy, two different decks.

[@pogeman2345]

@@Jaguar2100 oh shit rly? Well damn lucky guy

[@DarkThomy]

35:06 That moment opponent turn 1 emrakul and....it's actually not gg yet !

[@ggwtf2273]

Seth + Legacy =

[@MTGGoldfish]

I've been

[@motmontheinternet]

If you'd like some advice, I'd rethink the way you sideboard. Bringing in sphere of resist against anything other than combo is a no-go, and not just for the reason that you lost a game because of your own sphere. Where modern is a format where sideboard strategies are based on hopes and prayers, legacy has legit card selection and broad hate cards, plus your deck runs a lot of hate cards mainboard like pithing needle which are relevant in many matchups. A lot of times when you see someone running a narrow sideboard card (like massacre, for instance), it's because their sideboard and general hate cards already provide a lot of coverage and the few decks that narrow cards cover are prominent in a more stratified meta than modern Legacy is a format where most threats are absolute bombs. You should sideboard to win, not using hate cards that have pretty soft effects against your opponent's deck.

[@georgecolby7488]

Ghost Quarter isn't a budget wasteland, it kills karakas and maze of ith from opponents while Pithing Needle names wasteland. I also think that lotus petals and elvish spirit guides only add about $50 to the price tag, and well worth it.

[@MultiTaz333]

Loam would be great in this

[@ErroneousClique]

woohoo legacy!

[@Snowjiggles]

Now we need some BR Reanimator action.

[@Saffron-mb8mp]

Pauper became it's own series. Maybe Legacy could be It's own thing

[@MTGGoldfish]

That's what I'm thinking too. Might be time for a Legacy spin off!

[@xylophone897]

Glacial Chasm doesn't actually stop Storm, because Legacy Storm uses Tendrils of Agony, and Tendrils says lose life, not deal damage.

[@trey6883]

Does this mean you won't be playing Vannifar, or is that in the next poll? Edit: I just realized Vannifar isn't even out yet, whoops

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah. We'll definitely be playing Vannifar, just have to wait for the cards to come out.

[@trey6883]

MTGGoldfish Sweet! I'm so stoked for that deck.

[@3sts246]

GOAL GARY!

[@Finngrinder]

by the way, ANT never has RoF. That's TES (where, ironically, AdNaus is actually fine other than for ANT) which you always wanna have GCharm for Empty the Cheons

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ah, I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[@GLHFMtG]

Does all the legacy help with getting ready for Vintage or not what so ever.

[@the_snakelicious]

They're completely different formats, the cards that are banned in Legacy completely warp the Vintage format.

[@ianmcabee8036]

Knowing how to play with cantrips and being aware of force should help

[@MTGGoldfish]

I played Vintage for the first time yesterday. I recorded it, so you'll probably end up seeing it before long. It's a lot different and a lot faster.

[@TheBeatlesfan013]

V E E D I O

[@Cujucuyo]

Why not add 2 Vesuva to the deck and remove 2 Thespian Stage?

[@NMS127]

Vesuva copying Dark Depths enters with counters.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, Vesuva doesn't actually work for the combo.

[@Mcfluffy123]

Can someone explain to me the combo? Slightly confused

[@mrjollyweeper6316]

You activate thespian’s stage to copy dark depths, get legend ruled, keeping the stage as it has no ice counters on it. Then, the now dark depths sees it has no ice counters, so you sac it to get the marit lage

[@brunoqueiroz2759]

if people played legacy in my town i would build it for sure

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, that's part of the problem with Legacy. Some places have a really good scene, other places you can hardly find a game.

[@alexcomfort477]

You talk about how the llanowar wastes were your downfall for them being budget but there is a reason they run them and even why no basic forest are in the deck. A card that is not so prominent now but used to be present is submerge so many depths decks don’t run forests because of it. I personally avoid forests by using cards like pendelhaven and Okina.

[@grisselbrandthegreat5567]

Holy crap I have most of these cards.....cool. Manaless dredge can't play needle 😭