Mud Test Autopsy: Steyr AUG REDUX

In this video we deeper dive into the Steyr AUG's failure with the mud to attempt to determine why and see what it takes to remediate the issue.
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[@IPostSwords]

These autopsies are an excellent addition to this format.

[@CssHDmonster]

i would love em to do more autopsies in general, like testing general malfunctions and why they happen and how to fix it

[@lucsalander]

Yes!! It's very interesting, please more!

[@Magiktcup]

Yer agreed

[@Carterwray1]

IPostSwords How did they miss their chance to use the word AUGtopsy?!??

[@MasterN64]

It does shed more light into failure points. However while these tests are interesting they are far from a practical test and should in no way be taken as a measure of the true reliability of any firearm.

[@PewPewPark]

This is why Augs are meant to be used in skyscrapers and not muddy deserts!

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

Only if you have long blonde hair, otherwise it´s MP5 for you.

[@IRMentat]

Pew Pew Park depends on the state of the skyscraper.

[@Teabagz4fun]

They work exceptionally well in skyscrapers during Christmas time...

[@Batmack]

@@Teabagz4fun That's a very specific, yet very relevant set of circumstances

[@zbyszanna]

It's an elegant weapon for much more civilized times. Or something like that.

[@mrb692]

These mud tests show how useful ejection port and charging handle covers are. Kudos to Steyer for going for a round two

[@USN1985dos]

Steyr when they get their gun back and ask to send a 3rd: "I can do this all day."

[@keldonator]

@Billy FN PS90 civilian version

[@nikik5567]

Kel Drave I think he meant the new F90 model of the AUG. Well, technically it’s another company but it’s a pretty blatant copy.

[@MzeeWeeed]

The T36 dont need covers

[@hobbstactv2571]

You missed a real opportunity to call this an "AUGtopsy".

[@adamchurvis1]

Welcome... to the PUNderdome...

[@intlcamper]

LOL excellent

[@typorad]

AUGcellent AUGservation there, sir!

[@Hairysteed]

@@typorad That was AUGful!

[@lancerd4934]

Take your like and get out

[@davidh9585]

Gunbroker listing “one steyr aug, mud color stock, only 7 rounds fired, disassembled once, practically brand new!...make that 8 rounds”

[@Murphy82nd]

david h I know what I have

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

@@Murphy82nd And also 100% less explodey.

[@craigmandall9420]

I'd still buy it

[@DeadPollo]

Steyr Company (and every other gun company) with binoculars: "Write that down! Write that down!"

[@stevenstovall4491]

Pollo DiGomma so true for the bullpup Gangs lol.

[@taylormartin4346]

I see a Spongebob reference, I like.

[@re57k]

I hope they fix this, my country (Indonesia) uses the AUG, and Indonesian terrain can get very muddy, especially during Rain season.

[@dwerg85]

@@Asghaad What exactly do you think mud is?

[@dwerg85]

@@Asghaad That's what mud looks like maybe where you live. But for some of us mud looks exactly like what they are putting in the guns there.

[@theAlibi6]

Steyr: "Look how they massacred my boy"

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Steyr in the beginning: "That's my boy!" Steyr in the end: "That's not my boy!"

[@SpaceMissile]

ten bucks says the next AUG model has a completely re-worked charging handle

[@MarvinCZ]

Steyr sent their boy to suffer for our sins.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@SpaceMissile I hope but i think it would be more of an attachment like the Micro Uzi is has moving cover under the charging numb

[@williampeebles3218]

@@SpaceMissile But it looks like sand and stuff is all around the bolt carrier group and internals too. Doesn't look like it has anywhere to go once it gets inside.

[@Chlorate299]

The grinding sounds from every moving part are really quite troubling.

[@maxnaz47]

As a mechanic, the cringe was extremely real!

[@brolohalflemming7042]

It's called 'field lapping'. Tell your NCO it helps the action run smoother..

[@tharealsmurf2537]

As someone who has carried a Austeyr those crunchy sounds hurt.

[@LionofCaliban]

As a person who's just fired an Austeyr, those crunchy sounds really hurt. It's really that op rod channel that hurts this.

[@kiwi_comanche]

Agreed mate.

[@simonrival1613]

Those crunchy sounds are 100% normal though. I mean, they shouldn't be. But they are.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

my teeth

[@eoin3591]

That's the sound of being kept up til 2am cleaning rifles.

[@Evergreen1400]

I’ve always wanted to see someone treat one of my dream guns like a $8 lot lizard.

[@Evergreen1400]

Robbie Gorol. Hope you didn’t let it watch this and see how cruel the world can be

[@jean-yvesmead3972]

And so started Steyr's blacklist. Will InRange ever produce a "Mortar It" t-shirt?

[@razor1uk610]

*_Lay it on Thicc_* *_&_* *_Mortar It!_*

[@iamconfused2930]

Nah, Steyr sent em the gun

[@Retr0Whiskey]

Nah. They knew what they were in for when they sent them the rifle.

[@Imbeachedwhale]

I am Confused Either way it’s good for them. If the AUG had passed, reputation restored. As it failed, they now know a significant failure point. If they’re wise, they’ll work on a fix, preferably something that can be retrofitted to existing guns already in service.

[@thetalesofdaneandco]

1. Awesome idea. 2. I love that Karl always has to suggest that in a certain tone that I don't know how to describe. Also, that he has to suggest it usually 2 or 3 times before it's actually considered.

[@AndreasMarx]

Interestingly, the pre-76 prototypes would have probably handled that better - on those the charging handle didn't act on the oprod, it had its own transfer bar that more or less sealed the slot.

[@BicyclesMayUseFullLane]

@@danielaramburo7648 Well it is a balance act. It might have worked, but it might not have. But wbat is almost certain that it was more costly, because more parts has to go in. That also means more parts to go wrong.

[@termitreter6545]

@@danielaramburo7648 I dont think you wanna stop improving in the prototype phase lol. Considering this rifle is in active military service, this specific reliability issues probably doesnt come up often in "real" situations. Same with AKM, which is considered an extremely reliable rifle, but dies to the mud test.

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@termitreter6545 Like I said on the last video, mud like this isn't generally a "real world" concern, or at least isn't in the same way that sand is. You'd encounter mud like this only under very specific circumstances, but you'll encounter blowing sand just by standing around.

[@Dragunov8808]

@@termitreter6545 To be fair to the AKM, it didn't die on the mud test, it just became an extremely inefficient bolt action rifle, which compared to a lot of the other rifles they test, is extremely reliable, in that it's still "In the fight."

[@termitreter6545]

@@PhycoKrusk Yeh altho mb the mechanism is much more resistant to sand n' dust. Eg AKs seem pretty reliant against that stuff, they only get rekt by stones.

[@shanesizemore3654]

You know it's going to be interesting when the autopsy is longer than the test

[@williampeebles3218]

As long as it is entertaining.

[@enclavesoldier769]

Note to self: Do not bring an AUG when time travelling to Passchendaele.

[@hannahsminecraftchannel6133]

Enclave Soldier especially not in 2020!

[@RedmilesShark]

Or any bullpup for that fact.

[@moronoftheoxyvarietys489]

I’ll do ya one better, don’t go to passchendaele.

[@glockguru9]

I wonder about the SIG platform sometimes. It’s a improved AK which is sealed. So I wonder how a SIG 550-556 series would do in the infamous mud test? Any plans on the horizon?

[@skyhop]

It's sealed until it fires, then stuff will inevitably end up falling into the action. The AR15's ace up its sleeves is that all that gas people complain about actually help to keep stuff from falling into the action when it cycles. This is why piston ARs fail this test.

[@dbmail545]

Not sealed all that well. A wonky rubber cover that looks like it seals more than it does.

[@rayansandid6609]

Tombs Clawtooth the SCAR and the CETME-L passed the test though

[@davidresetarits5616]

Rayan Sandid Probably because it uses 7,62 x 51, more gas pressure. I would love to see rifle caliber variants of the guns that failed the mud test, like the Tavor 7 or the HK 417.

[@CB-dp1zs]

I'd like to see a bren 2ms in 7.62x39

[@littlerobinson7517]

Karl: "I'll close my eyes," that sounds like the response to "Hold my beer" lol. I'm curious if this will end up like the desert tech MDR and Steyr will tweak their design. Either way, I'll give Steyr credit for sticking their neck out and putting their reputation on the line for second mud test.

[@davidresetarits5616]

Littlerobinson 75 We don't have sandy mud like this in Austria, plus a normal soldier would NEVER get his AUG this dirty, so there's no reason to change.

[@ToastbackWhale]

Littlerobinson 75 Given that the AUG is 40 years old, I doubt it. They’ve made their money from all the military contracts.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@davidresetarits5616 Yet the gun is exported around the world????

[@davidresetarits5616]

Eduardo Espinoza The civilian/export versions are slightly different from the austrian military version

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@davidresetarits5616 Hey Steyr knew what they were getting themselves into when they sent that; the very very least they could do was swap ideal parts for this test over, even went as far as to convert it over to lefty for Ian. I also would assume the civilian version have greater tolerances.

[@fenrisulfur666]

I like things that are 100% less explody when I'm working with them.

[@My_Name_Suc]

fenrisulfur666 I feel like things are 100% more explode when I touch them

[@bvs1q]

Even less when someone else is working on them still

[@FirstDagger]

The problem is when things are 200% explody.

[@DKTAz00]

cmon, live a little :D

[@theultimatederp3288]

Unless when the things are supposed to be 100% explody. Then it's bad.

[@JakeShadowCitizen]

Next time one of you should do a dramatic voice over "previously on InRangeTV."

[@GUARDIAN.13]

When Karl said "or maybe it needs the hose again" all I could think of was buffalo bill and I had to pause... Then it happened, I realized Karl is a silence of the lambs fan too!

[@52Ford]

I caught the reference, too.

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

"don't you hurt my AUG" "Don't you make me hurt your AUG"

[@razor1uk610]

@NoMoreYouSure1000 ..what you rote has a vaguely 80's song sound to it in my head

[@alastair852]

This comment is criminally underappreciated

[@JohnnyDogs1978]

@@alastair852 I was wondering if anyone would get it, or see it.

[@TheOz91]

This is probably one of the reasons that Malaysia stopped using the AUG as a standard rifle after less than 20 years in service (apart from the other issues including quality control and the fact that basic training use M16A1s; and the battery of arms transfer better to the M4A1, obviously). And it's really muddy in Southeast Asia in general when the monsoon season comes in. Not great when you are a defense force whose nation has jungles and lots of them.

[@mightywoll3]

At what prices are they procuring their AR variants though? Between upgrading AUG A1's and buying new M4A1's for a low price(and probably some other politics involved), obviously the latter is the better long term solution. And while this is a sorta weakness of the design, even falling down in swamp areas doesnt put mud in it like in the test, especially as most people are right handed. Its also good to remember the AK test, if we take it as a 100% test of reliability, everyone shouldve scrapped their AK's 50 years ago. Edit: Seems like apparently the AUG's were manufactured locally but there was a rift sometime in the early 2000's regarding licensing and theyve gotten a license from colt in 2006 to produce M4A1's, however that also means that QC issues are on SMEO.

[@alexander1055]

@M G whats a f90? I thought they use the Steyr AUG in Australia as well.

[@GraemeBray]

@@alexander1055 Australian Steyr is called the F88 officially. An updated and very much improved version has replaced this, called the EF88 in the Australian Army, the F90 for foreign sales and the Atrax for civilian sales. Three names for the same weapon. This was developed separately from the Steyr company.

[@abohachuk4765]

That thumbnail made me think for a second that dirt broke the rifle apart lol...

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

boom

[@cheezburgrproduction]

I went and watched both videos again to make sure i didnt miss some FPSRussia type shit

[@brtidwell55]

What I learned was how to appriciate the simplicity of AR field stripping

[@nirfz]

I don't think it is easier to take apart than the AUG. It might seem easier for people who are more used to the AR System. Gun Jesus is not as used to do it as a conscript or maybe an owner is, so it looks harder in the video. Here's a blindfolded conscript after his 4th day in the army (which usually means this is the first or second day in his life to ever handle a rifle) he even included the whole bolt assembly and gas system assembly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX2yfn9-Z7qalZo

[@alexwells225]

Or just the AR platform in general

[@knightmaher1]

The steyr is super easy to strip, it was painful watching these guys trying to strip and reassemble though I accept that they aren't super familiar with the system

[@Klovaneer]

The what of what now? _laughs in AK_

[@johannjungreitmayr1533]

The Steyr is super easy to disassemble... in my time I did a complete disassemble and reassemble in under 15 seconds blindfolded... fieldstrip to shoot again like 3 to 5 sec... in that time it took him to fieldstrip the steyr an guy who knows what he's doing would have cleaned the gun and had it up running with out water...

[@elvinmadson]

I appreciate the autopsy addition. I'm always curious about malfunctions in these videos.

[@MontanaCheeky]

I love the idea of follow up diagnosis videos. Should be as entertaining as always.

[@coltpiecemaker]

Please do more after-action reports on mud/dust tests in the future! It is one thing to see haw quickly something fails. but to also see how much effort must be put into fixing it is also very interesting.

[@forestalfrank1074]

Sometimes it makes problems (appear) worse if one is unfamiliar with a design. My take on the situation. The Steyr AUG's main problems with very thick mud on the rifle is: 1) the charging handl, because of it's open design, grit will stop the handl itself in the front, mud can interfere with the rod when it comes forward in the closing circle. 2) the ejection port faces ~ 45° upwards, so when the rifle tries to eject, brass collides with mud that now is gravity fed into the port.

[@chitoryu12]

This is not unlike a problem they had with the Tavor. Because of the nature of a bullpup design, you need lots of linkages that connect controls near your hands to the operating system near your face. If mud falls into those places and jams their operation, there's nothing you can do except a full tear-down.

[@TheFyrePhoenix]

"Unfamiliar with a design" lmao, someone doesn't know who Karl and Ian are. Karl shot the F2000 for competition for several years and is entirely familiar with the bullpup design. Don't mistake his warranted annoyances with the design to be unfamiliarity. Ian has disassembled more bullpup and unique firearms than you have ever shot and also owns and runs one of the few FAMAS rifles in the US. Both have previously handled and shot AUGs on this channel. Ian has disassembled one or two on Forgotten Weapons.

[@blitoris]

Just what we've been waiting for, the autopsy.

[@CoconutCrabGaming]

Do more autopsies! They’re great and show the failure points/causes of the malfunctions.

[@adamchurvis1]

Never in history has there been a more opportune time to say, "Piss on it."

[@fastcar7337]

Margaret Thatcher died and was buried in 2013. Her grave is public!

[@adamchurvis1]

@@fastcar7337 Maggie T was awesome! I loved her so very, very much! I used to write Thatcher-Reagan fan fiction: Ronald Reagan sits in the Oval Office, slobbering over a big bowl of jelly beans, raking them in with both hands while he looks at a signed picture of Margaret Thatcher in see-thru lingerie. The inscription reads, "To my knight in shining armour on his glistening stallion, my body is forever yours, dearest Ronnie." He's is making soft moaning sounds through the double-mouthful of jelly beans as the door opens and Caspar Weinberger announces her: "Mister President, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher." Thatcher walks toward Reagan: "I see you enjoy the picture I sent you." Reagan stands, pants around his ankles: "Well, it certainly does the trick." "Speaking of tricks, Ronnie dear, I'm about to attack those d1rty l1ttle peop1e who've claimed the Falkland Islands. You will steer clear, won't you?" "Well... Caspar, what do you think?" "I say 'K1LL,' mister President. Always my go-to move." "Well, k1ll who?" Thatcher: "'WHOM,' Ronnie!" "Well, 'whom' then." "That's the best part, mister President -- it doesn't matter! Let's just go back to what we used to do and spin your globe over there, turn around with your eyes closed, and then put your hand on the globe to stop it and designate a target. Easy-peasey, Japanesey. Which reminds me, mister President, we haven't bombed Japan in a while. I can make a quick call to the Secretary of the Air Force, and--" "Well, I don't think we have time for fun right now, this Mary Kay saleslady wanted me to--" "Uh, she's the Prime Minister of Great Britain, mister President." "Well, okay, this 'Prime Minister of Great Britain' wanted me to buy some foundation so I wouldn't glare on TV." To Thatcher: "Well, I'll take six." Thatcher: "Oh, Ronnie... Where did we go wrong, you and I?" "Well, it was right after we did it in the Private Residence upstairs and tried to do that 'Reverse Cowg1rl' thing." "No, dear, I mean politi-- Oh, bullocks! Make love to me, Ronnie, you magn1f1cent pagan beast! Ride me hard and put me away wet! You be my 1776 and I'll be your 1812! We shall make this the greatest hate-f%#$ the free world has ever known!" "Well, can I keep my jelly beans?" Weinberger: "And can I watch?" "Of course, my dears! Why do you think we call it a 'Special Relationship?'" Stuff like that. Yeah.

[@likydsplit8483]

“Less Explody” - excellent EOD technical term.

[@georgg372]

As an Austrian having been drilled on it in my rather inglorious military time...at the latest at 6:15 my internal drill instructor kept shouting "REAR TAKE DOWN PIN!!!"

[@jacobparker5358]

I really like the idea of a post-test autopsy. Great addition, very educational!

[@den2k885]

I will now use the sentence "100% less explodey" in formal communications.

[@razor1uk610]

..just lesser in formal areas devoid of humour when making references to wish using or having used their restrooms/bathrooms/toilets/thunderboxes etc etc.

[@likydsplit8483]

I once had a DBA tell me an app wasn’t working because the “data was crooked.” I asked how she fixed it…she said “I straightened it out.”

[@qwerty30013]

Excellent advertising opportunity for them. Most guns fail this test as well, but they got 3 whole videos dedicated to their gun. Well played

[@BigBalmerJV]

If Steyer comes back and fixes these issues it would say a lot about them as a company. This is absolutely something that can easily happen in the field on a hike or hunting trip. Slip and fall while running or something into a mud pit and you have the same conditions

[@braxton1098]

That’s not the same thing. What they did is literally shovel Arizona mud directly into the open places in the rifle. That’s not the same thing as briefly falling into some mud and getting back up quickly.

[@snowdogs01]

Steyr CEO: "Whose bright idea was it to zend a rifle to zese people?!? Zey, are fired! Nefer again vill ve be humiliated zo!"

[@snowdogs01]

.... and the next customer who has dealer order a left hand ejector rifle may get a really good deal on a slightly used demo unit.

[@IRMentat]

Don Davis They probably have 3 research teams looking at this breakdown for funsies to see if there are any quick fixes

[@mig1nc]

@@IRMentat Coming soon, Steyr AUG A4? Now with FN FNC style dust cover over charging channel.

[@yurei8368]

Actual Steyr CEO: "Man, you can't pay for coverage like this. I want both these videos sent to every design guy we have working on the A3/A4, and I want our field guys to find out how to field remediate situations like this and get a video made on it for current owners."

[@jasonkeen3777]

was a plane shot down at 6:40?.

[@aesbj9228]

Made me think a plane was doing aerobatics but I don't know. It should have started up again... so maybe something else entirely.

[@JohnnyBurnes]

Not by an AUG at least.

[@ZReviews]

Ian was making me feel so bad, I had to field strip my AUG on the back of my couch just to cleanse my thoughts of the scraping sound.

[@apoint5film743]

Couple of points: Pushing the retaining bolt / sling swivel in the stock assembly in a few mil allows you to remove the butt plate to access the cleaning kit. No need to remove it all the way unless you wish to remove the trigger group. Pushing the housing lock to the open postion will allow you to draw the barrel and housing out together. After initial IA drills removing the barrel and housing together gave you a quicker method to check functions and just as quick to assemble when needed. Once you hear that gritty sound when cocking and letting the action foward you are guaranteed to get stoppages. Another issue with the Steyr Aug was lads not allowing the bolt go forward under its own return spring power which can cause malfunctions. It needs to slam into battery.

[@dsar9489]

Thankyou for say what every Australian weapons instructor has been screaming at their screens for the last 8 hours.

[@RichterFriedrich]

This is actually a very interesting add on to the standard Mud test procedure: can the gun be reviewed in the field. Would be nice to see a one or two canteens of water to be used to do that, not a random bucket (in other words: could the gun be made functional again by a soldier in the field).

[@apoint5film743]

It needs to be well washed out. Trigger group etc are not an issue, it is as it shows, grit getting in and around guide rods fouling up the channels. They work fine in general use but definitely suffer if buried in sand etc.

[@apoint5film743]

@@Asghaad ....and the way they delt with the jam was poor and inexperienced. After he failed to clear the weapon he should have disassemble it by removing housing and barrel group from the butt group. Then to answer the OP question it would be easier to wash down / wipe off and get it back in action. Never fired in anger but carried it through mud and rivers enough times in 30 odd years to know its peculiarities. Ingress of grit and dirt along the guide rails was the biggest factor of malfunctions due other than user error or poor maintenance.

[@Ratlstrap]

The grinding coming from the op rod is exactly wat I imagine all the collective screams of Steyrs engineers is right about now

[@spairus4492]

Thanks! Been wanting to see autopsies for the mud tests since forever! Please keep this as a permanent addition!

[@scale_e]

This is absolutely the "Muddy Steyr experience" I was expecting. Good work guys. Right down to the individual points of failure. Well done. As for the Steyr itself... Sans mud, it's an excellent rifle. Truly the primadonna of the bullpup world.

[@wollekemper8317]

Note to Austria's Military : Never invade Arizona during Monsoon season :-)

[@lappol1]

mud test: steyr aug redux autopsy expanded edition revelations director's cut & knuckles

[@cheezburgrproduction]

Ft. Dante from DMC

[@lava2istrue]

With new funky mode

[@lappol1]

@@lava2istrue i suppose that would be the "adverse" gas mode, didn't really help, did it

[@christhefirst]

Steyr aug redux autopsy expanded edition revelations directors cut & knuckles + duck hunt for nintendo switch

[@Ducaso]

I love the added autopsy to the format. Extra information of the best kind: failures!

[@eatalotmorebeef]

I really enjoyed seeing the tear down to try to fix. If its logistically possible id love to see this done for all the future mud tests

[@Bamdd5]

I feel like this shows that even if the mid had been removed from the ejection port in the first video the gun still would most likely not have chambered another round

[@firewalker6712]

The Australian military : Styer AUG was never my friend!

[@CDOES]

Im happy to see that you guy's continue to go above and beyond with everything! One recommendation. A small folding plastic table the next time you head to the desert. It might make things more comfortable.

[@JoshuaNicoll]

That poor AUG, it was probably like "Oh boy, daddy Steyr is sending me as a review sample to some fine folks, I hope they love my versatility and my acurracy and build quality, hey wait what's that in the wheel burrow"

[@Totemparadox]

Accuracy? XD

[@CrysResan]

It seems like anyone wanting to make a new gun design, IF they care about this bit of fairly unlikely happening, should have a dust cover for the ejection port, and the charging handle should be something like the AR where it is basically internal, save for something to grasp it by until you go to charge it. No open slots in the side of the gun.

[@INFLTTR1]

Or a g36 style charging handle, it's in a good location and has no channel.

[@bdockett]

@@Asghaad For a rifle that uses a last round hold open feature the placement of the charging handle to limit the ingress of dirt and debris is advantageous over a configuration based purely on ergonomics. Someone expecting an engagement would have charged his weapon prior to (maybe days before) entering a hot zone, all subsequent bolt manipulation is done using the bolt catch/release (typically). The Israeli Galil with sliding spring loaded dust cover is an excellent compromise as long as the cover continues to function. Considering how little it is actually needed, which would you rather have? A charging system that strictly limits the ingress of dirt and debris or one that is ergonomically better but allows junk into the action?

[@bdockett]

@@Asghaad I have both an AK and an AR at my side right now. I can run the charging handle on either one without taking the butt off the shoulder very quickly, LESS than one second.

[@FriedrichHecker1848]

"It's runs the action properly, or else it gets the hose again!"

[@marine6680]

I said it in the other video... While the AR charging handle position can be awkward at times, it's design helps prevent gunk from getting into the rifle. Side charging rifles have to have a slot somewhere in the receiver for it to ride in, and that slot will allow gunk into the rifle at a critical area. There are ways to mitigate the issue, but it will always exist to some degree. The AR CH fits into a small opening, that stays plugged at all times for the most part. It would be hard for it to be a significant ingress point for external debris.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Easy charging is a much more beneficial aspect than an extra opening is detriment, however.

[@bruceinoz8002]

Ah! The "Tupperware" rifle! I spent some years "maintaining" these. The initial instructions in these parts referred to "oiling" various parts, including the hammer pack. NOT a good idea! Oil plus dust equals grinding paste. Bad enough on steel components, brutal on injection-moulded polymers. GRAPHITE (or Moly) powder is your friend.. The total lack of primary-extraction leverage like the HK goodies always irked me a little, but it was less of a problem than the wear on the die-cast housing caused by the steel cocking handle base riding along the rather scanty "tracks" in the alloy housing. Another "water-related" issue was the return springs in the two tube"s attached to the carrier. These were initially lubed with "special" grease. However, when the rifles went for a swim, water got in and was a "problem", even with a lot of "pumping of the action to get it out. Eventually, new springs with a "dry-lube" coating were supplied and the entire fleet was eventually changed over.

[@metalinside]

So... my impression is that it could be "easily" fixed with a dust cover and some kind of transfer bar for the oprod like Andreas Marx said the prototype had. Not sure how difficult or expensive would that be (that's why I'm not working at Steyr).

[@skyhop]

That's what the tavor has, and that didn't help. The tavor also seals slightly better around the ejection port.

[@metalinside]

@@skyhop Didn't remember the Tavor video, watched it again. Looked like another problem, but without an autopsy video we couldn't know. I would like to know how the problem can be fixed because I love the Aug, but probably is not worthy yo redesign the gun for a very unlikely scenario.

[@agbond003]

Watch the next evolution of the AUG be greatly influenced by this mud test. I mean Steyr is watching.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

i would feel bad for the people who are still going to buy an Aug & then a new & improved version comes out i know mud my not seem like a big deal but if mud can get in than other things can get in

[@agbond003]

Eduardo Espinoza, I don’t think the people who are buying AUG’s are buying them as their primary rifles. It’s more of a collector’s/novelty item than a duty piece for civilians.

[@agbond003]

Asghaad, Someone’s never been to the beach... nor heard of the HK416...

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@agbond003 honesty i would since it takes up less space & i love bullpups

[@agbond003]

Eduardo Espinoza, If that’s what you like, good for it. Just train on it and know it’s strengths and weaknesses.

[@muddyboots1881]

Steyr management: So whose idea was it to send another rifle?! Marketing: averts eyes...

[@andrewadams4867]

I think that the top mounted charging handle on the AR-15 is a vastly underrated feature in these sort of tests. It is one less place that mud and debris can get in and as we saw here you only need one thing to go wrong for a gun to stop working.

[@JS-ob4oh]

The top mounted charging handle was moved because it got really hot after a few rounds and very much so after full auto fire.

[@igorpost4894]

Mud really isn't kind to charging handles and the slots they run in!

[@Salesman9001]

Only thing worse than it is fine wet sand (not the coarse desert sand) it gets in everywhere and jamms all moving parts it touches

[@tstststs]

If there's anything I learned from this series, its that exposed op-rods are probably not the greatest thing to have

[@diamondflaw]

@@Asghaad Dunno what you mean that wet sand doesn't exist in real life field. I know at least in the mountains where I live glacial erosion and weathering of the granite in the area means that anything that hits the deck in spring or fall is covered in mud filled with harsh sand of sharp pulverized feldspar and quartz.

[@darkwolfrob]

@@Asghaad Give it a rest dude. I attended basic training at Ft Benning in Georgia. Do you know what they call the infantry training area at Ft Benning? Sand Hill. Do you know why? Because it's covered in sand, and not just beach like sand. Some is course, some is fine. Do you know what it does in Georgia? It rains, all the freaking time and it sucks ass. I cleaned enough sand out of my gear in 2007 to make a nice sandbox for my kids to play in there was so much sand. After that I was stationed in Schweinfurt and later Grafenwoehr Germany. Do you know what they have in some places there? Sand. Some soil is rocky, some is sandy, some is straight up clay. Then there was Iraq, that sucked. And after I got out of the Army I moved back to Kansas. Did you know KS was in prehistoric times covered by water? Guess what, there's sand everywhere! I've patrolled and shot in the rain and laid on the embankment of a muddy hill that was mostly river silt and sand and walked away with a rifle caked in goopy brown shit that took a day to clean out, but it continued to fire because the major moving parts are contained in a more or less sealed container. It sounded like ass, but it never stopped working.

[@Salesman9001]

@@Asghaad If wet sand doesn't exist naturally then how come my service rifle was full of it every other day after operating operationally in wet sand conditions? Where I served everything rest on few meters of sand.. even forests and every ditch, pond and lake is natural nesting grounds for wild wet sand species of sand. Having my rifle freeze at -30c was blessing compared to cleaning sand from the action for 30-45 minutes every day. Also AR15 is literally designed to be used in such areas and I think has performed the best in this mudtest so far.

[@SportbikerNZ]

Seeing the internals with all the crevasses nooks and crannies, I just think yuck. Standard bull pup internal labyrinths to achieve the shorter length. I can see why Carl isn't too keen on bull pups. I've gravitated toward the same view.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

It really isnt that bad. There is an oprod and a gas piston going forward, rather than a piston forvard and a rod backward, and thats about it.

[@SportbikerNZ]

​@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 The stock and lesser extent upper receiver are the nuisance points. I don't envy cleaning this things vs a non-bull pup.

[@RevRaptor898]

@@SportbikerNZ It's not really much of an issue, cleaning and maintaining it is pretty easy, there's plenty of room to shove a rag in.

[@charlescomly1]

Thanks for following up with this autopsy video, I wish past videos were followed up this way, however hind sight is usually 20 20.

[@freeroamer9768]

you should do a tear down on all the mud test guns it would be cool to see you get them working again.

[@davidaxman]

The sound of dirty parts rubbing against each other is like nails to a chalk board! I cought myself squinting from the grinding noise...

[@Seeker-wq8jc]

Nobody: Crusty, muddy gun parts: KSSSH...

[@diamondflaw]

Psh, just putting stuff on the ground like that while disassembling. What if you got some dust or grit on them? You could get the gun dirty!

[@yurei8368]

Oh hey, cool! I wasn't expecting to see this video. Nice. I do enjoy a good post-mortem on mud tests that yield interesting results. Not every mud test needs one, it's kinda obvious where something like an M14 fails ("literally everywhere, Jimmy"), but in cases like this it's an eye-opener to see what actually went wrong, and almost as importantly what *didn't*. Thanks, guys!

[@SteveSmith-wm4qy]

The Fired case hit the wall of mud because there was no "shake", which caused the failiure to fully extract. Then it didn't go fully into battery and would have needed a rock on the charging handle, which wasn't working because of the mud in there. The only initial problem seems to have been the open charging handle slot.

[@tommyguns4018]

at least the tavor would fire after with out disassembly and that mud in tavor test was a little less imo but fun to watch this aug train wreck lol. thanks.

[@venator5]

Turn this into a standard addition for mud test!

[@xgford94]

I said this on the last AUG test. I’m Australian and our army uses the AUG and it’s good that we don’t get rain here very often because otherwise we would be in big trouble, I feel bad for the Irish.

[@GruntJoe0341]

My first thought when you said "Maybe it needs the hose again," was "Yes, Precious! It gets the hose!" Then you mentioned lotion, and I had to fight to not laugh my ass off.

[@StefanONeil]

Who the hell is downvoting something everyone has been asking for forever?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

☝👍

[@PavewayJDAM]

Steyr USA marketing department

[@bluefalconssuck5881]

Ian did this just to have a new "shower buddy"... Not Judging.

[@benash2954]

The way to clear that is 1) pull the mag and use it to belt the stovepiped case out of the ejection port. 2) If that doesn't clear it, pull back on the receiver and push the body locking latch across and pull the whole receiver and barrel out as a unit. At that point it will definitely have cleared the jammed case and you just need to wash it and put it back together. Pulling the trigger mech isn't going to help and for a stoppage like that pulling the barrel isn't much use. Stovepipe stoppages were super common when firing blanks so we got real good at clearing them quickly. The bottom plate of the magazine was the best thing to hit them with.

[@EdAb]

These Mud Tests are so good they could be considered a valuable public service! I know it is not a historic gun, but considering how many people buy them as a "bug out", or "survival gun", would you consider mud testing a Sub 2000 Gen ll? I'm sure this test would be greatly appreciated during these pandemic times! Please don't stop, we love what you do!

[@chadjordan9382]

I'm a long time viewer I keep seeing the advertisement for the face sized circle shirts, mugs ect.. what is that referencing?

[@jakedeforus6779]

Same I get them too been watching for years.

[@Nathan-mg7ho]

Face sized circles, duh. To go with the clearly prepared water (TM)

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Manga Yaranaika face

[@chadjordan9382]

I'm not getting the reference.

[@tstststs]

There was a commenter once who threw a fit that the targets being used in 2 gun weren't "realistic" enough to simulate heads. This commenter had a strange obsession with targets that had faces. It ascended into Fuddlore and Karl hazed this commenter through the use of weaponized merchandise. At least that's how i remember it.

[@panthersfan3168]

But but but you used their adverse gas system this time...HA!

[@panthersfan3168]

Ar-15 says hello.

[@dunadan7136]

Asghaad Any gun will fail when mud gets into the action, including the AR-15, unless you happen to think guns run on magic instead of known physics and that guns can magically teleport bolt carrier groups through walls of mud using quantum tunneling or something. The entire point has always been to keep crap out of the action no matter how much you sperg about it. Telling us how InRange is testing on how the gun keeps crap out rather than how the gun handles crap getting into the gun is just pointless wankery and a sign that you’re just a salty hipster who doesn’t like seeing his favourite rifle fail their test.

[@Tacklebox3000]

I found the augtopsy more interesting than the test itself. Would love to see more of these

[@jamesrunions4553]

Please don't stop making this's videos. We love theme

[@Murphy82nd]

The positive thing is it’s easy to remedy in the field.

[@LovingYouAll316]

Steyr: “Our firearm is proven. Would you try again with a setting that doesn’t prevent the problem you had?” Ian: “😐”....”🤦‍♂️ok...” Same problem presents itself. Steyr: 🙉🙈🙊🦗

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

💩 > ︻┳═一

[@jellowiggler]

This series with the Steyr AUGs is just awesome. Why is environmental contamination such an issue, what does it take to get your weapon working again in the field, how much of a battle is it to keep you primary and secondary firearms functioning in the field? This is your answer.

[@jrhan7629]

I feel like I'm watching Blue's Clues while Ian looks for the parts he set down in the grass. "It's right there, Ian, right there!"

[@alexduke5402]

I'm a 1:33 sec in and you could have already had an AR torn down & splashed off in a semi clean mud puddle and back in the fight j\s

[@blackhatch46]

Or an ak at 1:25

[@alexduke5402]

@@blackhatch46 eeewwww!

[@roguetorino]

Sure is fun seeing the fanboys cry. Meanwhile seeing people who actually used the AUG in the military confirming what we see in the video. Sorry kids I'll take the opinions of people that used the weapon over gamers.

[@shanemartin2491]

I have used it in pretty fucking muddy places. And sandy wind blown shit places too. This is the most extreme test a firearm can be subjected to. The AUG had issues that we dont see with the LMT MARS-L but still it was a good well balanced weapon.

[@bigghoss762]

Appreciate you guys taking the time to show this. And the Silence of the Lambs references. If you haven't already sent it back it would be cool to see Ian run it in a match and compare it to the other bulpups you've shot.

[@likydsplit8483]

The sound of the grit on the plastic makes my teeth hurt.

[@VeraTR909]

Mud: 2 Steyr: 0

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Mud: 3 Steyr: 0

[@VeraTR909]

@@Eduardo_Espinoza huh? this is the result of second mud test they have done on this rifle right?

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@VeraTR909 it failed 1st 1 2nd 1 & the 3rd mud clear test

[@VeraTR909]

@@Eduardo_Espinoza Hmm, I think it comes down to whether you consider this to be a separate test or not. But never mind, no reason too get too pedantic over this :)

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

@@VeraTR909 okay Mud: 2 Steyr: 0 & Sand: 1

[@therealcarlxii]

When the Austrian army calls it´s reserve forces into action, I´ll ask if I can take my AR instead...

[@jshaw1503]

Ar15 reigns supreme 💪🏼

[@nirfz]

No Arizona Mud in Austria... And nobody else voluntarily puts mud on the op-rod-opening of his rifle by purpose. I might be too old soon for getting any call up for any reserve, but i can tell you that in muddy conditions slipping and falling doesn't necessarily mean you get mud on this part of your rifle. I took a full side once, and the only thing clean was the rifle... The first thing i heard was "Deckung war nicht befohlen!" ("Nobody ordered to dive for cover!")

[@therealcarlxii]

@@nirfz I know, the AUG is overall a very well designed rifle and is reliable in the most situations that a soldier will ever encounter. The fact that it´s in Austrian service now for way over 40 years proves that very well. Other militaries use it as well, so it seems to be a very feasible option. During my time at the Army I really liked it, but then again I had no clue about firearms back then. Since I got into AR15s I prefer the conventional and more simple design as opposed to the bullpup style. But I guess that´s mostly a matter of personal taste.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

@@Asghaad Tests conducted in harsher conditions than expected operating ones is standard, to attain a margain of safety. This desigb clearly doesnt have the sealed nature of the AR platform, or the loose tolerance of the AK platform, that allows the former to remain clean, and the latter to be effectively hand cycled until it clears of the latter. I suspect Steyr will incorporate a better seal of the openings into their next revision after this, which is nothing but a positive.

[@dunadan7136]

Asghaad I was not aware that wars also suddenly get called off because of “unconventional conditions”. Until that day happens, gun designers should also account for unconventional conditions as much as possible.

[@Name-ps9fx]

The sound of grinding sand and gravel made me cringe...and trying to put it back together without a full cleaning and oiling...I felt so sad for the AUG! 😢

[@jeremyhannaford1306]

I remember the first time I saw one of those things. On a vacation to Ireland a bunch of soldiers got out of a Landrover and I couldn’t make sense of what they were carrying they looks space age. When I left the RAF Regiment we still had L1A1s with the SA80s tantalizingly close but way on the back wall of the armoury so I’d only seen literature about bullpups. Styr AUG- want one!

[@GetMeThere1]

An idea. When you test a new rifle and it fails, it COULD be that the mud mix is particularly bad. At that point, you should retest rifles that have earlier PASSED on this batch of mud. Then you could know much more definitively, that one rifle passes PRECISELY where another fails. These tests are great. I like to see even more rigor in them to help us have the maximum confidence in the conclusions.

[@Anthony-yn9dg]

Over 6 years using this and never had a problem. I actually found it worked better with a slight carbon build up. I'd also add that after my time that did upgrade to a rifle that could regularly hit over 600m, after lessons learnt from afgan.

[@johnblackstone357]

I hopefully this becomes a thing where they either do a round 2 on popular failing guns or for new ones, where we get this kind of after action/ autopsy reports

[@adammathers4879]

That AUG sounds like it needs a lot more water to flush out all the dirt from inside. Or submerged in a stream and vigorously shaken underwater.

[@thatgearaddict6397]

For the swivel pin in the back: you are supposed to push in on the butt cap, then push it inwards, remove buttcap and then push on the triggergroup to remove the pin. Was a pain in the ass to see ian struggle there as the way he did put it in is also hard when the gun is clean

[@Max-hn5fs]

just a little advice for the pin, well as much as i remember: press dent in the backplate, push pin further in, remove backplate, push on that plastic bar (thingy) on the fire control group, remove pin, remove fire control group

[@mirzahakeem6151]

And people say Malaysian Armed Forces are dumb to replace AUG with M4 as service carbine in 2007. Now this is the proof why MAF replaces the AUG to the point of breaching the contract made with Steyr in production agreement.

[@glynnbond4882]

I spent 14 of 16 years carrying a Aus Steyr in any number of conditions both very dry and gritty and very wet and muddy. In all of these situations i found the steyr to be very reliable. I have seen them with more mud on them then that and still work for a number of mags obvoiusly they would be field cleaned ASAP. so no hoses, but worked well enough to last at least a few weeks out field after that or even in some cases taking that abuse daily. I am not saying that Ian is wrong but I am saying that my exprence is different to what is shown.

[@badweetabix]

Then how do you explain that this test was conducted twice - the second time using a rifle Steyr sent them claiming it to be a "better" rifle? And both times it failed.

[@MarvinCZ]

This is anecdotal evidence and both Ian and Karl know this. It is however compounded by the repeated test. We can only speculate about the reason for the different results between your service and these tests.