VE COMMODORE TIMING CHAIN REPLACEMENT (Part 2)

In this second instalment of this series i remove the radiator and other accessories in order to remove the timing cover.

[@darrylcampbell4411]

Hey Bro. A year ago i watched your first vid on this engine and thought I CANT DO THAT..... But thanks to your vids I have done it and am enjoying my fixed and nice to drive commodore. I quite enjoyed the challenge. not a hard job but very time consuming. Cheers mate.From NZ.

[@ms-nj1cx]

how long does it take?

[@darrylcampbell4411]

@@ms-nj1cx Took me a couple of months just taking my time on weekends but now I know what to do I could probably smash it out in Two or three days.

[@yingyangorca4124]

I dont knkw who the hell is unliking these videos but dude you have no fear. Love it. I rather be shot at then get this wrong. Youve got me curious and interested in getting the hands dirty. Thanks again!

[@ozyjimbo]

just to note i did this roughly 6 years ago and never took the radiator out so there is no real need to but great vid for those wanting to DIY thanx for the vids

[@johntarrant2950]

Great video . Nicely explained and didnt wast any time trying to be a star . Well spoken and executed.

[@doobs9643]

Thanks Mufudzi! Watched these vids about a dozen times each in order to replace the timing chains on a 2006 LE0 VZ. Ended up replacing the heads as well on account of the built up oil sludge left by the previous owner. Couldn't have done it without you! took me about 2 months for various parts to come from ebay and I was forgetting how it came apart by the end of it! But so good when she roars back into life afterwards. Thanks again.

[@stormman8393]

Your delivery is first class my friend. Well done.

[@jowsifu477]

Great instructions, well made, a credit to you, thanks for sharing 🤙

[@grahamgallagher1443]

Very good & informative! my VZ be looking like it has a sad head gasket, ill use this to help me with the journey in there & back out again, thanks for posting!

[@markusslesmale2819]

@Mufudzi Gambiza - What can I say but "BLOODY AWESOME MATE" I thank you for your wonderful videos to help as many as you can, this has helped me immensely, I'm your friend for life mate.

[@OffGridInvestor]

Honestly to completely rebuild a Japanese 4 cylinder from the 90s complete with new rings and big end bearings is half the work of just changing the timing chains on these things.

[@darrylcampbell4411]

yep these are the biggest POS engines ever created . The designers should be shot.

[@hedleyt8095]

They're not a POS engine, Very reliable and put out decent power. They're just a big POS to work on 😂😂 but I do agree that the designers need a bullet.

[@darrylcampbell4411]

@@hedleyt8095 I could NOT have put that better myself. Try the bloody Thermostat sometime....

[@ferran588]

Legend, cheers for the video series. Liked all 3!

[@aaronobrien6122]

great job brother one thing if i where you fit a breather filter on top of the engine valve i did that gold colour both side let that worse side breath this the reason it has timing chain suffer eveyone do this

[@lpme126]

Thanks for doing this, good video! Sooner or later all Alloytec owners will face this. The handier one's will save themselves some money thanks to this video.

[@MufudziGambiza]

That's right, this is a very common issue with this model. I hope it does help someone and saves some people money. Thanks for watching :).

[@MufudziGambiza]

@@neoanderz I believe the some of the series 2 VE and the VF have stronger chains that dont stretch as quick as the first gen ones.

[@darrylcampbell4411]

Yep About to attemp mine. piece of shit engines BIG TIME.

[@ianr02]

UNBELIEVABLE... Great video - you are really competant. NO WAY will I try this myself... have to pay a mechanic.

[@helloimthemailman6566]

All, If you are removing the harmonic balancer, you don't need the special GM tool. 3 jaw pullers will work just fine. Just don't follow Mufudzi's way of grabbing the outside of the balancer. You should grab the 3 jaws around the steel center of the balancer. There are flat spots that the jaws will grab on to. If you grab the outside of the balancer, you will be driving to the wreckers buying a new one. Ask me how I know..... Otherwise Mufudzi is a wizard with the rest of the works. Also, the bolts for the AC compressor are a pain. You will find them eventually. Best lift front left and remove wheel and get under to see them.

[@darrylcampbell4411]

Thanks man. I appreciate your advice. Im doing a chain job on my ve at the moment. I wondered if I should take the Wheel off or not. Also thanks for the advice on the pulley jaw pullers.

[@brianmattschoss8297]

Currently doing a LY7 motor and the air con compressor bracket has 6 bolts in it pain to get to and easy to miss a couple might be easier to get from underneath there is 1 horizontal bolt basically in line with oil filter and underneath

[@glennsmith1139]

Gee mate very good i can understand you fine very clear in your instructions ❤️

[@user-nc8re4hh4o]

Man I could use your help right now

[@prestigemind5304]

I'm doing this on a g8 pontiac and using your video to reference thank you

[@dre4616]

Hey bro, how did you go about flushing all the coolant out?

[@helloimthemailman6566]

Hi Mufudzi, If you are just resealing the timing cover seal, do you need to remove the rocker covers? EDIT - Yes you do.

[@powerinnumbers6159]

I think you were very brave. What if you had a problem and couldn't fix it yourself. It would be very expensive to have someone come to you to remedy. I wonder if I would be so brave.

[@Venx2ss]

Mine just went out on my g8 just came out. Do you think its easy enough for 3 teens to tackel down

[@DemopVWgarage]

great work Mufudzi, I'll be doing this soon ;)

[@derekmitchell6159]

Thanks for this video. I am about to tackle this job myself and your videos will be a great help. I have a question about the AC compressor bracket. Where are the bolts located at the back? I can see you undoing them but I cannot find/see them on mine. Are there 2 of them at the back or just 1? Thanks

[@michaelranga7826]

I'm stuck on this now. Did you end up finding out? I think I can see one, but can't get anything in there to undoit

[@prestigemind5304]

@@michaelranga7826 you got help on this?

[@ozgecho3023]

This was a major point of frustration. There is more than 3 bolts. I think it ended up being about 5 bolts. There are 3 bolts towards the back of the compressor. You literally have to feel for them. Easiest way I found to get to the back ones was to take the left hand front wheel off and then you can see the back bolts. Only thing is once you get the bolts out and the bracket is loose, you still can't get the bracket out as I think having the compressor still installed prevents the clearance to get the bracket out.

[@James-jz3go]

Hey mate thanks for the video, about how long all up did this take you?

[@MufudziGambiza]

No worries. Took me 2 weekends. Would have done it in 3 days if I wasn't filming even quicker if I had some one helping.

[@James-jz3go]

@@MufudziGambiza no worries, hopefully dad and I can smash it out over 1 weekend. Thanks.

[@vinceking719]

Takes a full day if you know what your doing, 2 if you dont

[@TheFirearmEnthusiast]

Thanks for the video! The crankshaft is spinning when tryna loosen bolt. Do you know how to stop it turning to get it off and torque it? Also is the camshaft actuator allowed to turn without oil pressure? I think I might need a new one of those too lol

[@zunnunkartal1790]

Put in gear

[@down2earth459]

Im struggling to get the ac compressor off i just can't seem to find the one at the back 😳🤦‍♂️

[@MeaHeaR]

Why you re assembull the holé enguné to taking radaitor hose off

[@NushysPubSlots]

Hey brother, great video. I am now attempting to change my Timing chain. It definitely has been stretched quite alot. Just 1 question what MM size was the 3 Leg Gear puller u were using?i know it was the wrong 1. But its cheaper to get. Then the Harmonic Balancer...

[@mattyoung8975]

75mm. Currently doing the same although you could go next size up if you were worried

[@NushysPubSlots]

Lol. I went over the top and got the 150mm. Hahaha. It worked all the same.. ran outta time. Trying to find bolt for compressor in the back. I can't see it.

[@zunnunkartal1790]

@@NushysPubSlots have you found this bolt? Struggling with it myself

[@davidlegrange2688]

Cheers bro couldn't find any other video for changing the chains about to do mine on my rodeo 3.6 alloytec

[@saimongoo5213]

Was it the same method?

[@davidlegrange2688]

@@saimongoo5213 pretty much most of it gee took me 2 weeks to get the timing write though so hard I've sold the car now

[@saimongoo5213]

@@davidlegrange2688 what was making it difficult?

[@mark9378]

Hi mate. Is there any screws to remove at the bottom of the radiator? I can't seem to get the radiator out. I've removed all hoses and all clips at the top, but it still won't come out. Cheers

[@MufudziGambiza]

There are rubber bushed in the bottom. Radiator is pressed into them. Also make sure you remove the ac condenser from the front of the radiator. You should be able to lift it up a bit and free it without kinking the A/C lines.

[@mark9378]

@@MufudziGambiza thanks mate. I'm in the process of doing the timing chains. Using your video's for guidance. Great videos mate.

[@harrydavidaererua8017]

How'd you lock the crank when you power barred the crank bolt.Everything should of shifted.

[@MufudziGambiza]

Car was in 1st gear. Its a manual. But you can stick a screwdriver in the flex plate if you have an auto.

[@harrydavidaererua8017]

For me I'll just borrow locking tools for cams.but that would work.lol.

[@MufudziGambiza]

@@harrydavidaererua8017 I had the cam locking tools aswell. They are required to complete this jib as you don't want cams to move.

[@brentmason4333]

Great job like your other how too vids

[@nigelmitchell4973]

Where did you get your timing chain kit from I was looking on eBay but I’m hesitant about the quality

[@MufudziGambiza]

I got mine off mace engineering from their website not off Ebay. Most of the ones on ebay are cheap Chinese ones I've heard nothing but bad news from people that have used them.

[@nigelmitchell4973]

Mufudzi Gambiza thanks for the reply

[@1mach28914u1]

@@MufudziGambiza what's a timing chain kit and any other things needed or replaced doing the job cost roughly? What do workshops charge for this type of job?

[@DJAakaRNBFUNKNJS-OLDSKOOL]

I need this done....which city are you in? Thx

[@jumo1834]

How’d you get the camshafts to not move when unscrewing the pulley?

[@MufudziGambiza]

Which pulley? If it's the crank pulley the car is a manual I had it in gear. If you have an auto you need to remove the stater and wedge something in the flywheel to stop it from moving.

[@MekazaBitrusty]

May I ask what happens if the crankshaft turning causes the lower chain to slip? How do I get the timing back?

[@MufudziGambiza]

Lower sprockets can be turned without chain as they are not directly connected to anything major. Being 2 idler sprockets and notion sprockets being oil pump which soesnt really need to be timed.

[@jaredr7473]

What sized puller or type do you need?

[@ricklabreche7893]

Hope u still watch this post for replies I have a 2009 g8 would u know if it has a commador motor or a General motors 3.6 motor in it I know holden I need a us system land made them I'm getting a p016 code u had a 17 so I assume it's the other cam next to your ptoblem. It also gets severe misfires on the right side of the motor cold start sounds good after startup sequence runs for about 2 minutes then the fun starts, I mean guessing that when the solenoids start to tell the phasers to move gets p016 misfires start at that point and as the car gets hotter it gets worse and worse was think chain stretch or skipped but I'm also wondering about a cropped out phaser by passing oil due to work seals in it. Figure I'll do the chains and tensioner watching more the video to see how this comes apparently finally a holden motor video to see u have no idea how hard it is to get parts in Canada for this this especially on a 11 year old car

[@MufudziGambiza]

Yes yours sounds likenstrwched chains. Have you tried changing coils or spark plugs?

[@ricklabreche7893]

Mufudzi Gambiza yup. Changed plugs Stupidest design I’ve ever seen. Pull manifold off to get at middle and rear plugs. Runs fine during warm up. When it starts to call for phaser changes starts to run a bit rough. The warmer it gets the worse it gets. All cyl in right side. Pass side start to miss fire. That chain kit your put in is there a golden number for it. The GM 3.6 opened up sure looks like the same motor. I see Melling and Cloyes makes parts for the GM motor. But can’t find numbers in their system for g8. Since it runs great until phasing starts and gets even worse when hot I’m kinda thinking the phaser is shot. Also saw a vid on a ford motor with phaser problems that has the same Diesel engine rattle as mine apparently the Ford makes this sound when the phaser is shot. Think I have about 180000 km on motor. Kid needs a better car than his biggest piece of crap g6 I’ve ever seen. Probably will change chains tensioner. Phasers. Just trying to figure out where I’m getting parts from other than GM if possible.

[@MufudziGambiza]

@@ricklabreche7893 oh okay. Yes they are the same engines. What's the engine number I'll be able to tell you what chains to get from that.

[@ricklabreche7893]

Mufudzi Gambiza thanks. I’ll have to look for it. Would it be the serial on block or some where else. Cars. Buried in garage at the moment. It’s 7 am here I just got home from work. I’ll. Try and get numbers when I get up. Thanks

[@ricklabreche7893]

Melling has 2 diff listing for the Holden motor. They didn’t show kit with all the parts just separate part numbers.

[@mooroocho834]

What size pulley puller did you use?

[@nickl2548]

By the way, how many KMs has this engine done?

[@MufudziGambiza]

It's done 245000 or so KMs. Original factory chains donors done pretty well. You can tell the engine has had regulatory oil changes due to a lack of sludge.

[@OffGridInvestor]

Explains how a former workmate was trying to sell his for 3 or 4 thousand dollars to buy another vehicle when his timing chains needed changing. I couldn't understand why such a nice car would sell for peanuts.

[@JohnnyE7]

Great video's mate👍🏻

[@mideu7388]

I have a VT and a VZ - - - vid makes me want a VE SV6 - LOL

[@v1messiah716]

Hey man still trying to find the back bolt for ac compressor

[@prestigemind5304]

Ya I noticed he didn't specify he took the top mount off I'm stuck there too

[@v1messiah716]

Ended up finding it, it’s the lowest bolt on the ac compressor bracket easiest way to get to it would be to take off your passenger front wheel.

[@prestigemind5304]

@@v1messiah716 got it thank you

[@NushysPubSlots]

Thanks Fellas. Was reading comments..having same issue. Ran outta time. Hopefully have this sorted tomorrow. Cheers

[@jarrodmcleese]

Nice video helped alot but first car was black 3rd car was black I'm so.confused haha I got my red vz done with this guy's video 5 star stuff

[@BerettaTV]

How do you stop the crank from turning when you loosen the crank bolt??

[@MufudziGambiza]

If its a manual put it in gear. If its auto you may have to remove the starter motor and wedge the flywheel with something.

[@BerettaTV]

Thanks for quick reply

[@birdsandthingsbeachandbush1064]

How do I get my pulley not to turn as I use the gear puller, I tried putting car in P,D,N and it still turns pulley around??????

[@MufudziGambiza]

Bit different with an auto remove the starter motor and wedge a srecdriver into the flywheel teeth to stop it from turning.

[@jimrodgers7042]

@@MufudziGambiza There are some grooves under the flywheel on the engine casing and wedge something in the flywheel spokes.

[@birdsandthingsbeachandbush1064]

Cheers I give that a shot .

[@mark9378]

Mate, I need your help again. Can't stop the crank from turning, even though it's in gear. What am I doing wrong?

[@MufudziGambiza]

Is the car auto or manual?

[@mark9378]

@@MufudziGambiza it's a manual

[@NushysPubSlots]

What are you trying to do? @Mark

[@mark9378]

@@NushysPubSlots I'm doing the timing chains in a ve. It's all good now thanks. Got to the part where I'm about to put the chains and sprockets on, and the sent me the wrong kit.

[@NushysPubSlots]

Im doing timing chain as well on VE. Upto getting the AC off. But ran outta time. Hopefully i get timing cover off and having timing chain replaced. 💪

[@dexta4033]

Great Video :)

[@campcreekhill8933]

Brilliant

[@trentoncorbet1]

Geeez what a pain in the arse to get to the chain

[@theaustraliatimes3286]

thanks man

[@troyhier6509]

you put way too much sealant on and it will now squeeze out when you assemble the cases. this will cause excessive silicone to block up your oil pick up. i would advise anyone watching to use two paper thin layers of correct silicone on both case sides for good seal and avoiding excess silicone squish out. and also, radiator does not need to be removed. otherwise good video. this video goes into more detail kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJmnpGR9mNyFedU

[@iamasmurf1122]

you have hayfever or an allergy of some sort you need antihistimines

[@prestigemind5304]

Change title to include pontiac g8 v6 please it helps us Americans.

[@MufudziGambiza]

Thanks for the tip. I'll add that to the title

[@c_magpie222]

No need to take radiator out,,bit of a waste of time.

[@MufudziGambiza]

Took it out to give my self more room to work, plus would be nearly impossible to get the harmonic balancer/crankshaft pulley without taking it out. But thanks for your comment :).