Muhammad & The Empires of Faith: The Making of The Prophet of Islam - Dr. Sean W. Anthony

[@AJansenNL]

Wonderful episode. Please bring this guest back regularly. I studied Arabic, was a muslim (convert) for 30 years, but I learnt so much today! Keep up the good work!

[@misswarda78]

👋 Hi me too.It would be great to swap notes. ☺️ I was also a Muslim convert for 20years from my late teens to early 40’s and have studied Arabic and Islamic history. I recently distanced myself from brand Islam and delighted to find Derek’s sincere approach to understanding real Islamic history and scholarship. It’s so refreshing and is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else I have found out there and certainly anything I have seen in the Arab speaking or muslim world.

[@exzoro8193]

Have both of you come across research materials from Inârah group of scholars from Germany? They are far ahead in this field.

[@chaquirojordao9837]

@@misswarda78 Islam is not in need of you. There were many people who left Islam in the time of the Prophet, but Islam never stopped growing.

[@chaquirojordao9837]

Islam is not in need of you. There were many people who left Islam in the time of the Prophet, but Islam never stopped growing. Even there two Muslims in the entire world, that wouldn't matter.

[@thetruthseeker5448]

@@misswarda78 More than an hour ago I asked question from you why you being a woman, having converted to Islam for 2O years, studied Arabic and Islamic history now distancing from Islam. Sadly KZbin did not post it. By reading the hostility towards you I can imagine why so. Stay safe specially being a woman.

[@tinahassani2065]

As a muslim looking for answers for a long time, your channel was very insightful so thank you

[@myth6142]

@@albusai if i apply the same criticism for the gospel,you will certainly leave Christianity

[@muslimabubakar9384]

@Rishal Charles I prefer plagiarised version that make sense to putting everything rubbish and garbage in the name of religion by Christians.

[@palebluedot8733]

What questions?

[@klaw1425]

What kind of Muslim are you there's alot informations and books 📚 about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam ☪️

[@tinahassani2065]

@@rexrambo7686 I just pay attention to the facts, and draw my own conclusions.

[@turdferguson3400]

My favorite thing about these talks is how curious you are Derek! It's very very refreshing to see someone who is curious and whose main agenda is to figure out what the hell happened before trying to ask why. You never ask what it signifies about "us being better" (or about "them being worse"). You have a very non judgemental curiosity about these topics and I really resonate with that.

[@nexodeus]

Aql

[@tacom0nsta658]

So good to hear a scholar that doesn't have a Christian agenda. That's all we ask for, honesty, consistency. I'm starting to appreciate this channel.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@a.s.l711]

and like wise to hear something without an islamic agenda......

[@darpadevelop]

me too

[@supertrucker99]

Christian agenda...there's no such thing either you love LORD GOD OR YOU DONT. ONLY ISLAM HAS AN AGENDA THEY ARE USING COLLEGE STUDENTS THIS VERY MINUTE

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

🤦🤦 dude he literally said quran is man made book that copied Christian apocrifa

[@zulffiquer732]

I am amazed at your depth of knowledge on Islam. It was a real PhD you have earned with hard labour. As a muslim, I also learnt many things from this conversation. Just to add a little as my knowledge as muslim goes. Prophet Muhammad was orphan from his childhood and was brought up by his grandfather. He was a shepherd. Later he was employed by a rech lady of the then Arab, Bibi Khodeja to do trading of her properties from Arab to Syria. Later he got married with Bibi Khideja, though she was pretty senior by age to prophet. It is worth listening. Thanks Dr Anthony for keeping us informed of your thesis works

[@bendingtrending]

Do muslims question the fact Allah said😬🥶(he will help make the ”true followers” of Jesus uppermost victorius ”untill” the day of resurection) (from the time of Jesus untill resurection) Who has been the uppemost followers of Jesus since the time of Jesus untill now? The christians right? Either Allah failed to keep his promise and the wrong followers of Jesus became uppermost & islams is false bec Allah failed..😑🥶 Or the true followers of Jesus is the christians & islam is still false bec it controdicts the true Christiians😑🥶 Islamic dilemma to discribe it litely..🤔😬😰

[@creoken8772]

@@bendingtrending Chinese are the uppermost victorious. christians are lost and they don't know where they are going 😂

[@aliataie101]

"Total nonsense, absolute garbage" - Dr. Anthony when asked about the Petra theory. He is right on the money. Great interview Derek!

[@tacom0nsta658]

You should be interviewed on this channel.

[@aliataie101]

@@inquisitivemind007 Quizzy, come on, you know better than that. The Prophet ascending to heaven is a miracle. History in the West is determined by probability. Western historians do not consider miracles when deciding what happened in the past because miracles are by DEFINITION, the least probable occurrences. I do not make a HISTORICAL argument that the Prophet ascended into heaven; it is based upon conviction in his truthfulness. But revisionists who peddle the Petra theory ARE making a historical argument. A historical argument that, like your so-called "Inquisitive Mind," is total garbage. Finally, I do not deny that Solomon's Temple was built at that spot. ??? Come one Quizzy, get with the program. This is embarrassing.

[@kumarg3598]

@@stevenv6463 is that sarcasm?

[@stevenv6463]

@@kumarg3598 No, he is well read and actually engages with the Jewish and Christian traditions. It would be interesting to have him on the channel.

[@kumarg3598]

He spent no time on petra. Dan gibsons evidence deserves more attention. As an outsider, i dont find this dr anthony persuasive.

[@1Humanoid]

It would be amazing to see a Muslim, Muslim scholar come on your show and answer your questions.....

[@youmnaification]

I would love to see Hamza Yusuf not anyone else. Hamza Yusuf almost a linguistic knowledgeable in both Christianity and Islam.

[@sam2168]

Nuaman Ali khan

[@Leo-wy1by]

Hamza Yusuf or Ali Ataie

[@alenezi989a3]

I think Dr.Adnan Ibrahim would be best suited to answer but I don't think he is fluent in english.

[@remove122]

Think Muslim scholars failed kindergarten

[@hybridamerica]

Having tons of kids does not make your religion true. Instead, it is a sign of in security.

[@rykadabyka6047]

It's all about quantity over quality.

[@yesnomaybeso5755]

How is having a lot of children a sign of insecurity? There are people who are family oriented, and want a big family. I agree with your first sentence though.

[@hybridamerica]

@@yesnomaybeso5755 Only that bringing a new life into this existence is at best, presumptuous.... at worst, evil. What manner of GOD complex is this to so thoughtlessly and carelessly fling a new life into being? What will is it that decides that this is a good idea? Live your life - don't impose it on another, for every cradle is a grave. The greater courage is voluntary human extinction.

[@yesnomaybeso5755]

@@hybridamerica I’m going to assume you’re not serious.

[@yesnomaybeso5755]

@@dtrez3866 Christian’s used to have big families too. It’s now in modern times that the family size has been reducing, because of certain propaganda. Modern day media influence is destroying the family model. Whether you want a big family or not. It is evident that media is hostile against the idea of a stable healthy family.

[@reason8798]

This is an incredible book just finished. Could not put it down.

[@AbdullahSameerVideos]

Just started watching. This is an epic interview 😳 So we have a document referring to Muhammad within a decade of his death. Wowzers

[@Gehri_soch2.0]

14:17 is very interesting because muslims believe Muhammad was an ummi ie unlettered but here have an early document saying he was learned in the books of Moses 57:50 shows the dualism in the Quran on what happened to Jesus 1:27:19 is just explosive

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

Yay Abdullah Sameer is in the house!!!

[@trentlandon9033]

Yes.. That's not new..

[@nonomnismoriar9051]

@@Gehri_soch2.0 "Ummi" doesn't mean illiterate there. It means "Gentile" (non-Jewish) prophet. That's why they claim to link him to Isaiah 42, even in old hadith traditions.

[@nonomnismoriar9051]

The Syriac note in a gospel of Mark, fragment on the Arab conquests. We have that original. There are more Syriac and Greek sources - though not the original documents - that talk about a certain Muhammad or Saracen prophet in the 640's.

[@chrisdovrik2894]

Excellent discussion. One of the better discussions you have had in relation to the Islamic narrative.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Once again Derek hosts an excellent presentation.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@xdollface177]

The way in which I learned more about the Quran in this 2 hour episode than I did in like 13 years of Islamic school... truly an amazing and fascinating episode. Also this academic is both so hot and so smart pls bring him back on the show again!

[@rajababy2009]

so you are learning Quran from Non Muslims wow ,

[@xdollface177]

@@rajababy2009 lol seek help

[@naufal4493]

Even the first translation of quran was made by non-muslim. This translation encouraged moslem to study more and make the translation perfect based on real meaning in arabic language.

[@ashsuri1289]

@@xdollface177 your not Muslim. Sorry but nobody who follows the wrong way is Muslim.

[@nadeemsiddiq7636]

@@ashsuri1289 and what is "the wrong way" and who are you to call someone "not Muslim"? The days of ad hominem attacks and kafir manufacturing are over. Your brainwashing tactics and lack of logic no longer work.

[@sfb1219]

I'm surprised I discovered you just now ... most unbiased coverage and amazing work ...

[@asgarextassyforces7239]

#respect from Indonesia

[@asgarextassyforces7239]

Thank you to Sir Sean Anthony, for adding insight to us, the knowledge you give us will become good deeds and virtues that will branch out endlessly in the world... we Muslims are commanded to learn from "people of the book" from before Islam... experts who really have knowledge objective. science of facts and science, not just blind theology... true experts like historians like you we have to listen

[@yasirsaleem7025]

Now we want someone talk about Hinduism

[@owaisahmad7841]

Extremely learned and unbiased scholar. Love the interview conducted in manner to receive unbiased information and not disrespect anyone's faith and values. Great show.

[@simoharjane7823]

As a Muslim am enjoying these podcasts ! Good to hear what we might never heard of and think about it . Am open to any discussion. Remember! Nobody has the absolute truth . We just grab whatever was handed to us and we don’t let it go .

[@Drunk3nMonk3y72]

“Brother makes a very good point” I am a medical doctor

[@takiyaazrin7562]

Medikel dokter

[@user-kg2lz9zy4f]

Bello medikal doktar

[@chiraagb]

🤣🤣

[@calonstanni]

Bwaahahaaaaaaaa

[@iamamedicaldoctor2663]

Iam medical doctor Zakir Naik 🤲🤲🤲🤲😂😂😂

[@tavuzzipust7887]

Some scholars claim that Islam was invented to furnish an ideology to justify and keep united the Arab conquests. There are references to 622 as "the year of the Arabs" marking the defeat of the Sasanids long before its later association by the developing Islamic tradition with an alleged hijra.

[@TheUnique69able]

Actually 622 was the date of a war between Arabs in al Hira (Iraq) with an alliance of other Arab tribes vs the Persians and the Arabs won. It’s strange that the Islamic narrative doesn’t even mention such an event

[@historicalbiblicalresearch8440]

The Arabs had a whole series of sometimes crushing victories against multiple enemies including the Romans . I too read that they sought to understand why they were so blessed.

[@hannawurst6064]

***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////**** Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH"" The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "** Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"*** John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""*** Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""*** ****************are all prophets according to the Quran**************

[@letsomethingshine]

@@hannawurst6064 Directly, Joshua means Yahweh saves. Elijah means El (Theos/Deus/Allah/God) is Yahweh. Yohan means Yahweh graces (as in favors/choses/gives) Zakariya means remember Yahweh. Muhammad changed Yahweh "I am" name to that "on instructions from Allah" as the children of Ishmael (meaning "Yahweh hears/listens/follows El/God") would now be favored over the children of Jacob/James/Diego (meaning "Yahweh the usurper/supplanter"). The plot holes thicken. But knowing the real history of these -f-a-l-s-e- religions of violence and ruin stemming as bad fruits from a bad tree of Dark Ages, we see clearly and with understanding. Saul means ask/question. Kish (Saul's father) means lure. Samuel (the priest/prophet that oiled/anointed/messiah Saul as king) means "hear/listen/follow El" Paul means small/few in Roman.

[@Leo-wy1by]

Arabs couldn’t have staged a conquest in the pre-Islamic times because they were never before that united or governed by a single entity, they were tribal. Arabia was chaotic. Islam was what stabilised it, unified it, got rid of atrocious acts like burying baby girls which many tribes did etc. and then the Muslims after unifying Arabia for the 1st time in history, freed the holy land.

[@kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578]

The truth is prevailing... Slowly but steadily...

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@shahidachoudhury6925]

@@inquisitivemind007😂 , means he is lost in the darkness.

[@protestantbeliever8124]

Problem is you dont have artifacts of him from his time. That's a problem. The coins from his time are more Christian, or Gnostic. We don't find inscriptions of him from his supposed time.

[@anubis8918]

And that is because he didn't exist. You won't even find any Arabic writings from the time of Muhammad

[@takiyaazrin7562]

@@anubis8918 Bible was also written in 2nd century

[@anubis8918]

@@takiyaazrin7562 which 1

[@williamnicholson8133]

And absolutely zero texts they claimed existed are present as the only examples of muslim texts are from long long after mohomads death .

[@Ikhlashasib10]

yall are so lost smh

[@erlinggaratun6726]

Great show. Good guest. Bring him back soon :)

[@r_elyaqub8214]

Some muslim scholars speculate that Dhul Qarnayn was Cyrus, The Great a Persian King, not Alexander the Great. Yet others say he was Darius another Persian king who was a monotheist.

[@turdferguson3400]

1:47:23 "the password is the sword". Wow. That really puts the "sword" in "password"

[@OstadeSahir]

thanks for this amazing episode i was a muslim for 42 years and im still a muslim with very very deep believe alhamdolillah ❤

[@metagalaxy-go-the-distance]

You'll get big surprise if there are no 72 hoors

[@remove122]

So ur to brainwashed to leave

[@thepath964]

this sean fella looks like the bassist in any rock band fifteen years ago. and mr mythvision looks like the lead singer of any rap-rock band twenty years ago.

[@Tosin226]

Very intereating to hear this as an ex muslim who took Islamic Studies until university

[@IosifStalin2]

More of chats like these!!! Bring Dr Anthony back soon

[@pedroarceno533]

The very good discussion of the topic and one of the best scholarship from Dr Sean Anthony.

[@roshlew6994]

Arabs created the Quran by compiling the pre-Islamic Arabic literature derived mostly from Syro-Aramaic lectionaries, homilies, hymnals & folklores of eastern churches in 7th century middle-east. They also borrowed heavily from the Jewish Talmud, which was also being compiled around the same time & place as the Quran i.e.. 7th century lower Mesopotamia. Islam began as an anti-trinitarian Arab Christian sect promoted by Arab empire.

[@lilrr1431]

No man can create such a perfect book and unchanged unlike ur New Testament made by paul who is as apostate

[@roshlew6994]

@@lilrr1431 Arabs created Quran from copied scriptural stories and folklores of Jews and Christians..

[@anaskpalmalaki8804]

What was the anti trinatarian Christian Arab sects? Who was the leader of these sect?

[@roshlew6994]

@@anaskpalmalaki8804 correct

[@AbjectTestament.]

Mhm........ Sureeeeeeeer

[@elviolette]

Maybe I'm not the best judge, but Sean's Arabic accent seems SPOT ON!

[@deeznutz1428]

most of the western academics who studies islam has spot of arabic accent.

[@trallatralla8956]

From an arab, noo he have a mid to a decent accent but not spot on

[@shabba213]

Eating too much halal like a duck

[@kismets685]

Thank you Myth Vision for always framing your discussions in critical academic engagement.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@noammkw3770]

really enjoyed this talk. subscribed

[@paulwilliamson6660]

Another beauty.

[@ReasononFaith]

Brilliant episode. Please have Sean back 10 more times!

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@dodgysmum8340]

Two men waffling for 2 hrs not not addressing any on of the fundamental questions. Guest admits the heart of the problem is tht there is zero evidence for any of the stuff first written in the Hadith 250 yrs later in the architectural record of the Prophets time and aftermath! And btw, there r no complete qurans for HUNDREDS of years after the Prophet. Wht there r r shards of qurans tht overlap to abt 40 pc of a full one within approx 160 years. The very early ones are the tiniest fragments. This is actually way less than early Christian texts provide, and they provide more earlier. He also never answered about Muhammad being a shepherd IRL. Of course he wasn’t - he was rich merchant initially, but OFC tht means he would have known all those stories like the sleepers at Ephesus that make up the bulk of the Quran not about Hell or killing infidels. In the same way Aishia almost certainly wasn’t 9.. no evidence Muhammad was a pedophile, but it was exaggerated by Sunni scholars in hadiths to press her purity at a time when Shia hated her. Use your common sense!

[@centi50s]

I am a Muslim, I have learned many things In this channel. Derek don't press on his guest, this is one thing why he is different from other people I have ever come across. I don't care if he believes in God or anything. That is not for me to judge but I have reall learnt alot about Islam. Our Muslim scholars made a fool of us by claiming the Qur'an has not changed for even a dot and the quran of prophet Muhammad is what we have now word by word letter. My belief now is we Muslims, Christians and Jews, all of us don't have the original book of of Torah, gospel and Qur'an. These 3 books are yet to be discovered.

[@juniorjames7076]

I think the "elites" at the top who control society deliberately tell the population one-story to keep us ignorant/happy, while they know the truth. I have met many Muslims who were secretly Freemason/Atheists (Turks, Moroccans, Saudie, Sudani) and there is no one worshipping God inside the Vatican (Bank) in Rome. Religion is for people who don't have power.

[@sholay706]

So you respect a white scholar more than Muslims scholar. The miracle of the Quran is that people recite it and people learn the Quran orally rather than reading a book

[@Lindaeditz8]

Brother you are more fooled now than ever before,the scholars have been sincere and accurate in there assessment of the quran,it has been always known that the quran has been revealed in 7 ahruf dialects,also variations in recitations ie style,this does not change the content,you cant compare this with the bible where complete books have been added or taken away,also the prophet pbuh seerah has truly attested,if you are Muslim then stop taking your faith from non Muslims,unbiased opinions is not as unbiased as you think,and if your not muslim,then stop playing games

[@kakatopung8139]

​@@Lindaeditz8don't bother, he's fake

[@nadeemsiddiq7636]

​@@Lindaeditz8 "Truly attested"? What a joke! You have fully revealed the weakness of your position which is why all you have left are ad hominem attacks and kafir-manufacturing. Sad. Rest assured, your tactics no longer work.

[@ashrafkhuffash7931]

All respects to both of you. Study (knowledge sources) + ask questions + think (mind) == LEARNING

[@rafiisaat8708]

The key to paradise is "Laa ilaha illa Allah Muhammadur Rasulullah".

[@diouftaharqa7699]

Stop saying 😅

[@akkafietje137]

Learn first more about Islam , before you deceive yourself

[@jma7600]

Good luck.

[@akkafietje137]

@@jma7600 Isn't there any muslim who can defend it's ideology ? Are it only robots who follow what they are told

[@concretemathematics8146]

This is one of the satanic verse that being transmitted from Satan disguised as an angel to Mehmed.

[@officaltop5276]

I Must admit this was a good interview.

[@Sixtra]

The first book I bought on “Islamic history” was Sean’s. Great book 👍

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@Sixtra]

@@inquisitivemind007 Yes, I saw that interview as well. And I also recommend Hoyland’s book “In God's Path: The Arab Conquests and the Creation of an Islamic Empire”

[@strategic4124]

Arabs A 3,000 year history of people tribes and empire , Tim Mackintosh Smith

[@azeemos]

The newer consensus among Muslim scholars is that Dhul Qarnain is not Alexander but is rather Cyrus the great. A lot of things get explained if this is applied.

[@ehhe4381]

Romance of Alexander. The two-horned one is a reference to Alexander as Alexander appears with horns in his coins.

[@muslimboyilyas775]

Thank you so much Dr Seal W Anthony for exposing Robert spencer 👍

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@sorrowhowel6823]

57:00 Instead of bieng the sons of God, they are the slaves of God who can never argue or discuss their fate. People would rather be the slaves of Muhammad to fight wars only.

[@dqschannel]

Someone with his level of education, I am shocked he doesn't know that Muhammad or MHMT/MHMD was originally a title and later morph's into a name.

[@keezemojito1278]

Exactly lol that’s the whole point he was missing

[@user00404]

there's no evidence Muhammed was a title before it was a name

[@abdullakuthyala6476]

What is MHMT/ MHMD? What title is it? Muhammad is the Prophet's original name. It's meaning is" praised one".You are not Dr. kafferphobia.You are sick Islamophobia.

[@keezemojito1278]

@ you dont know what you talking , MHMD was used in the hebrew bible to talk about prophet Daniel who was the praised one, this term been around. MUHAMMAD was never MHMD lol. It just was never

[@abdullakuthyala6476]

@keezemojito1278 Nonsense. Mohammad is an arabic word and it is his birth name. Arab people of his time never used hebrew words while naming.If you analyse 1000 contemporary names of his time none of them is found other than Arabic names.He received revelation at age of forty.Neither he nor people around him ever had the slightest clue of his becoming a prophet. If MHMD is a title and has any resemblance to his name omniscient God must have bestowed it to him.

[@ferrallc1]

I got a very different impression from the Robert Spencer book, which suggests there is nothing for decades. I know Spencer has an axe to grind, but is his book dishonest or just a more skeptical view of the same evidence?

[@takiyaazrin7562]

@Check proofs of Islam in my playlists Better to talk to non-bias

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@Constantine Mithras I've read his books & he is not a missionary. Not even close to correct. He is a scholar & if you can refute his findings, please do so. Just throwing out insults makes your argument look weak.

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@Constantine Mithras Why don't you ask him and find out? You make claims with no proof so you need to explore the data.

[@feduntu]

@Constantine Mithras lol so you got 8 of your own accounts to like your comment? Let's see who gave you the likes in that comment? John Wick Paul Tarsus Constantine Tarsus Bruce Wayne John Wayne Jason Bourne Constantine Mithras Paul Mithras that's 8 of your many accounts, damn, you get busy making all these accounts don't you?

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@Constantine Mithras No, he is claiming to have a PhD. I have no reason to doubt his credentials. You are the one questioning them. Do an online search of him or ask him directly. You are the one making the claim so this is up to you. You simply don't like what you are hearing. Sorry, but it is not just this doctor but dozens of scholars finding the truth about Islam.

[@MM-oj8vb]

Derek- when he said there would be many preservation and historically critical aspects regarding the Quran that everyday Muslims would be very surprised about- THIS is what I was interested in knowing. This is the stuff that’s new and interesting!! This is what’s outside of the traditional narrative!!! Please please bring him back and get him to go in deep on these points. We need to delve into this stuff because it’s not what anyone else is doing. PLEASE!!! Great work- but please dont hold back from fear of criticism. Critical Christian scholars don’t hold back and Islamic scholars shouldn’t either..we need to get to the truth.

[@shohorabahamed3753]

When he says Muslims, he is referring to the average Joe. Not to Muslim scholars.

[@zeustn9525]

Oh man, why are you so obsessed with conspiracy theories?! As Anthony said, your average muslim who lives in a given community will have very simplistic view of their religion.. same goes for any other religion (or non religion for that matter). If they go and study the Quran in muslim institutions even at a basic level, they will learn everything about variant readings, foreign vocabulary of the Quran, competing codices etc...). Most of what the western academia is "discovering" now, is basically confirming the traditional muslim view on their religion. And they know it, because they cite the enormous work already done very early on by pious muslim scholars. I think the big issue of "preservation" of the Quran today is stemming from a relatively modern idea of infallibility of the text "word for word, letter for letter, dot for dot" that some fringe but very vocal muslims are promoting. If these people talk to actual muslim scholars, they will be reprimanded for being ignorant but the world now is ruled by the most successful in promoting their idea, not by the content of those ideas

[@takiyaazrin7562]

@@zeustn9525 Talking publicly in some countries would lose him his head

[@eatingeatingeating]

All the variants are accepted as the Qur'an by the scholars. All variants are accepted in Islam by the scholars. You need to understand that variants are allowed in Islam because the Prophet Muhammad said there were variations but when they occur in the Bible the scholars inevitably have to assume corruption.

[@hereweare9096]

@@eatingeatingeating That’s incorrect. Islam has consistent stated that not a letter nor a dot was ever changed in the Quran. As to the Bible of course there are minor variants this is an ancient document. Manuscripts have been studied by academia for decades.

[@vonfolta]

"lets become better people!" I like that =). I think that sums it ALL up! here a thought on 'the sword' ... it has been used as a symbol for the mind (element air) it cuts both ways depending on its use ... to cut the ties of ignorance and reveal truth that leads to wisdom and peace (paradise) or to simply cause further useless bloodshed and pain. I guess we all have to decide for ourselves ...

[@sqorpy86]

Amazing episode, bring the dr back again, and keep delving into more material, your tenacity in pursuing the origins of religion and how they change over time depending what the civilization needed at that point of time and history, fascinating

[@centi50s]

Thank you very much Derek may God guide us. I am learning alot

[@inklingt]

I have been teaching Comparative Religions for over 20 years. I have yet to meet a single person who studied Islam in a neutral way (without isms) and have not become a Muslim during or by the end of studies. I also, have had the honor to congratulate and sign 1009 reversion "conversion" certificates. You owe it to yourselves to learn about Islam from a practicing Muslim. Also, read the Quran it's the (Final Revelation) ❤

[@oxyht]

👎

[@joygibbons5482]

Yo teach comparative religion, not the underlying sciences which examine what religion is in its essence. Those blow religion apart, including Islam. I’ve studied Islam and conclude that it’s a human phenomena, in fact one which perfectly encapsulates the neurological, psychological, social and anthropological theories of why the human mind generates religion. I’ve read the Quran and see no good reason to think it’s a mashup of human ideas trying to explain reality, poorly.

[@anewdayali2538]

Facts but the truth be told so many people lack the confidence in their own abilities that they render them self incapable and give up before they even started so they remain ignorant all their lives. But then they love to lie about being Informed and educated instead of actually being educated and informed. The idiocy they display is just outstandingly incredible

[@remove122]

No its not final revelation its just a book copied and stories twisted

[@anewdayali2538]

@ you retards don’t even know what copy means? Why do you imbeciles loves to talk the most with the least amount of knowledge.. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeahs that’s why you delusional Christian’s are the closest to idol worshipers

[@hans471]

@Sean Anthony: Thank you for the insights. I have watched some material by Dan Gibson where he claims that all the early qiblas point in direction of Petra and hence Mecca = Petra. I know that you are sceptical about this finding, but could you specify your criticism? Do you disagree with 1) Dan Gibsons claim on the qibla directiobs. In this case is there any academic research which contradicts the data found by DG? 2) Otherwise, an explanation needs to be found why all early qiblas point in direction if Mecca. D. King's argument that the early Arabs were incapable of aligning the qiblas accurately is not convincing since this does not explain the statistically significant and consistent alignment of the early qiblas.

[@takiyaazrin7562]

I dont think he read comments

[@imlookingumomo4481]

mecca=petra 100%proved.

[@Larrypint]

Former Muslimbrothers Hamad ABDEL Samad wrote also some great books about Mohammed and Islam from a critical historical perspective.

[@takiyaazrin7562]

He made the theory that the prophet was epileptic

[@gustavlarsson7494]

I really enjoyed this!

[@dellerikofta]

I fell in love with islam❤❤ after watching how much western media trying to defame muslim...

[@remove122]

U not very bright its not to show truth

[@hiefia8568]

47:57 was Palestine the name of the city the writer wrote?

[@ezzeldinadwan]

Mohamed tomb is a historical site that refers to the final resting place of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the founder of Islam. The tomb, known as the Prophet's Mosque or Al-Masjid an-Nabawi, is located in the city of Medina, Saudi Arabia. The Prophet's Mosque is one of the holiest sites in Islam, and it holds significant religious importance for Muslims around the world. It serves as a place of worship, pilgrimage, and spiritual reflection for millions of Muslims who visit the site each year. The mosque has undergone several expansions and renovations throughout history, and today, it stands as a grand structure with a large courtyard, elegant minarets, and a majestic dome covering the tomb of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The tomb area is a focal point for Muslims to offer prayers and seek blessings. The significance of the Mohamed tomb lies not only in its historical and architectural importance but also in its role as a symbol of unity and reverence for Muslims worldwide. It is a sacred place of veneration and remembrance of the beloved Prophet, and it holds a special place in the hearts of Muslims as a center of spiritual connection and devotion.

[@samuellindh2]

Good discussion. Prof. Stephen J. Shoemakers in his "Creating the qur'an" makes the case for a much later and much more dispersed origin of the qur'an. Would've been great to hear Anthony engage Shoemakers thaughts.

[@misswarda78]

All credit to you for this EXCELLENT episode Derek. Literally my favourite so far of your ‘focus on Islam’ series. 😍 This is true Islamic scholarship (and beats hands down the so called ‘religious scholarship’ churned out by the religious schools.) This is the stuff that Muslims REALLY need to get their teeth into. (But never will as it causes too much cognitive dissonance.) Thank you.

[@juadwhite1391]

@Vicky Wells He did not significantly contradict the standard Islamic narrative though. For instance he seemed on board with Qur'an being properly preserved narrative by indicating that Qur'an has a stronger case in this regard compared to the bible.

[@thetruthseeker5448]

I can imagine Islam with what happened in Norway and with British parliamentarian and today in Victoria in Australia by a woman named Momena Shoma. I cant give more details as KZbin will block me. Cheers

[@juadwhite1391]

@Reverend Jay Smith is a Christian missionary, it would be a horrible idea to me to learn Islam from him, it's like me learning about Judaism from Hitler 😊

[@takiyaazrin7562]

@@ahmarshaikh7427 Mauritania (Islamic country) still practice sex slavery to this day

[@juadwhite1391]

@Reverend I'm not faulting you for watching Jay Smith's videos, you do you my friend, you're entitled to choose the contents you wanna watch. The guest isn't a practising Muslim, he's tackling Islam from a historical point of view. He's probably not on board with Islam having a divine origin, i think what this scholar is trying to say is that Islam makes more sense than the other Abrahamic religions from a historical point of view 😊

[@Yenirose78]

This is amazing episode ! Thanks

[@AsereCrypto]

I don’t know but to me Islam makes more sense than Christianity and Judaism. I didn’t investigate about Zoroastrian religion yet but so far Islam makes more sense in the concept of Monotheism, family values, brotherhood, mercy and heroism.

[@tsaoh5572]

Islam has very questionable ideas about marriage and especially the age of consent. I don’t think it is the best religion for family values. That being said, Christians and Judaism have lots of very bad ideas of their own.

[@remove122]

Islam doesn’t make sense

[@AsereCrypto]

@ You’re just talking from a religious blind perspective, but when you really study Islam in a Historical and Cultural context you will realize Islam makes more sense for a better world. No wonder why in western countries the crimes rates, divorce rates and rapes rates are extremely high in comparison with the almost 0% in Muslims countries.

[@HendroMartono-k1y]

​@@remove122so killing God by His creation makes sense to you😂

[@mohdshakeeb7500]

Quran is the best proof of existence of Prophet MOHAMMAD (saw)

[@gabesegun7966]

Seriously. Why was his name mentioned only once

[@HendroMartono-k1y]

Seriously because Gods revelation not Muhammad words​@@gabesegun7966

[@kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578]

The year MUHAMMAD and the early Meccan Muslims (called: al-Muhajirin) left Mecca to Medina started the Islamic Hijrah (H) calender. It is still counting till this day.. now it is 1443H, month of Ramadan.

[@Omzzz85]

This was great! Thank you, Derek. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@Omzzz85]

@@inquisitivemind007 ya I’ve seen it. Thanks

[@cabezzadevaca4157]

People tend to give a pass on Mohamad. The fact is that he killed, tortured, and was vindictive with people he did not like and those things could not be explained away with the mores of the times. It was all politics and the theology came later. Do the history and forget about theology. I was hoping you’d talk about the political intrigues that went on around him. There were attempts on his life, his ailment and impending death, and how Omar, the second Calif, stopped him from doing his testament and what possible role his household women folk had? Two of his wives were the daughters of the first and second Calif, whereas his own daughter who came out in the strongest terms against the califs who took over immediately after his death, died mysteriously soon after, and his whole family was bypassed.

[@thenun1846]

Good insight. Also it's important to mention that he explicitly married some of his wives for political bonds and ties. It's particularly interesting around aisha. She was the daughter of his bff abu bakr, after his death she had a battle with Muhammad's nephew Ali. The battle of the camels I believe. Interestingly, over 50% of authentic hadiths are attributed to aisha so it's hard to turn a blind eye to the impact and prominence aisha had ... Almost akin to a king marrying his daughter to another royal family to add on to the Empire that's being built

[@cabezzadevaca4157]

@@thenun1846 Marriage for political reasons was not uncommon in History as we all know, even in recent times. The modern founder of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, King Saud, and he named the country after himself, married I don't even know how many women, and it was not because he was such a libertine but it was intended to cement political alliances. Supposedly, Fatima did not got along with her father's wives and the wives controlled what went on in the household, and she fought back at the califs in a very aggressive manner. It was clear to her how they pulled the rug from under her feet. Mohamad was a political leader foremost and the religious part was the equivalent of a modern political party dogma.

[@calebjackson99]

@@ahmarshaikh7427 two wrongs don't make it right. It was wrong of Western imperialism to exploit people in the middle east. It was also wrong for Muslim campaigns to conquest most of the Arabian peninsula through the sword. Both sides can acknowledge fault, but just pointing at your opponent's faults without addressing your own is a Tu Quoque fallacy

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@ahmarshaikh7427 tu quoque fallacy? Just because "the west" did horrible things is no excuse for Mohammed his barbaric ways

[@carpediem7654]

@@ahmarshaikh7427 whataboutism

[@FaroukAkbar]

Great interview. Was refreshing to watch.

[@FA1298_abc]

Thank you so much. I understand there was so much to cover and I’m glad you will invite Dr Anthony again. I was hoping Dr Anthony would talk about the influences of the Aramaic/ Syriac and Hebrew languages on the Quran. Traditional Islamic narrative claims that’s it was all delivered in Arabic when in fact there are many non-Arabic words. I guess I should read Dr Anthony’s book to learn more. Thank you again.

[@akkafietje137]

Why not invite Jay Smith, if you want to learn something

[@fuuf102]

So did Jesus' earliest followers consider him to be God? EHRMAN: Well, what I argue in the book is that during his lifetime, Jesus himself didn't call himself God and didn't consider himself God and that none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God. The way it works is that you do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, our last Gospel. Jesus says things like: Before Abraham was, I am, and I and the father are one, and if you've seen me, you've see the father. These are all statements that you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier Gospels, and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things about him. I think it's completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that's what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make. So this is not an unusual view among scholars. It's simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understand of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate. GROSS: Jesus was referred to as the king of the Jews. Did he call himself that, and what did that mean it is time? Do we know? Can we have any idea what that meant in its time? EHRMAN: Yeah, we do know, and actually to be a king of the Jews simply meant literally, being the king over Israel. It is a very difficult question to get to, what Jesus taught about himself because of the nature of our gospels, but one thing is relatively certain, that that the reason the Romans crucified Jesus was precisely because he was calling himself the king of Israel. Now, Jesus obviously was not the king. So what might he have meant by it? Well, what scholars have long thought is that Jesus was talking about not being put on the throne by means of some kind of political show of power, but that Jesus thought the world as he knew it was coming to an end and God was going to bring in a kingdom, a new kingdom in which there would be no more injustice or oppression or poverty or suffering of any kind. And in this kingdom, Jesus appears to have thought that he himself would be the future king. And so Jesus meant this not in the regular political sense but in a kind of apocalyptic sense, that at the end of the age, this is what was going to happen: he was going to be installed as king. GROSS: So Jesus saw himself as the messiah. What else did that mean in its time? EHRMAN: Well, a lot of Christians today have a wrong idea about what the messiah was supposed to be. The word messiah is a Hebrew word that literally means the anointed one. This was used in reference to the kings of Israel. The ancient kings of Israel, when they became king during the coronation ceremony, would have oil poured on their head as a sign of divine favor. And so the king of Israel was called God's anointed one, the messiah. There came a point at which there was no longer a king ruling Israel, and some Jewish thinkers began to maintain that there would be a future king of Israel, a future anointed one, and they called that one the messiah. And so the messiah for most Jews simply referred to the future king of Israel. And so when Jesus told his disciples that he himself was the messiah, he was saying that in the future, when God establishes the kingdom once more, I myself will be the king of that kingdom. And so it's not that the messiah was supposed to be God. The messiah was not supposed to be God. The messiah was a human being who would be the future king, and that's probably what Jesus taught his disciples that he was

[@fuuf102]

Muslims say Jesus is a prophet and messiah. What does Jesus and those close to Jesus say? If this man was GOD, he would never have been called a prophet. Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee.” Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, “A great prophet has arisen among us!” and, “God has visited His people!” John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. Matthew 21:46 When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. John 6:14 Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” John 9:17 So they *said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?” And he said, “He is a prophet.” Luke 24:19 And He said to them, “What things?” And they said to Him, “The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, Mark 6:15 But others were saying, “He is Elijah.” And others were saying, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” Mark 8:28 They told Him, saying, “John the Baptist; and others say Elijah; but others, one of the prophets.” Luke 9:8 and by some that Elijah had appeared, and by others that one of the prophets of old had risen again. OK, so Jesus doesnt refute anybody calling him a Prophet, he reaffirms it😇 Luke 13:33 . . . . I must proceed on my way. For it wouldn’t do for a prophet of God to be killed except in Jerusalem. Mark 6:3-4 Then they scoffed . . . . They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him. Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family”. In the above two verses, Jesus called himself a prophet. There are also many verses indicating that during his lifetime on earth the people in Judea and Galilee regarded him as a prophet. Regarding the verses in which Jesus says that he is equal to God (mainly in the Gospel of John) most scholars believe that Jesus never said that. It was what people started saying about him after his death and put on his lips in the Gospels written at least 4 decades later.,

[@fuuf102]

The Gospel of John begins with the astonishing claim that Jesus was no less than God Himself! John claims that, in Jesus, God became human flesh and lived among us. And that He did it in order to bring us into eternal relationship with Himself - to make us ‘children of God’ forever. John’s Gospel goes on to describe Jesus’ miraculous ‘signs’ and his heart-searching words that testified to His true identity as ‘the Christ’. The Gospel ends with the words, ‘Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.’ John 20:20-31 Richard Dawkins calls the Bible ‘a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries’. Let’s take the Gospel of John, the fourth Gospel. Is there good evidence to believe that what we read in John’s Gospel is a true account of what Jesus actually said and did? Up until a few hundred years ago, no-one really questioned whether John’s Gospel was historical. But with growing scepticism over the reality of God and the supernatural (a philosophical and cultural movement known as the Enlightenment), scholars began to suggest other explanations for the origins of the Gospel. Against the traditional view of the Gospel having been written by a disciple of Jesus and eyewitness to his life, death and resurrection, they argued that the Gospel was, in reality, written by someone living hundreds of years later, and hundreds of miles away. And the concepts in John, they said, were too Greek, and not Jewish enough (as the other three Gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke, were). John’s idea that Jesus was ‘God in the flesh’, for example, was said to reflect much later developments in Christian theology. So for these reasons, by around 1900, most New Testament scholars believed that John’s Gospel could not be considered as reliable history.

[@fuuf102]

Jesus Christ not God. It is clear from the verses below that he was indeed 100% man. John 17.3...jesus says to the father...that they may know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus whom you sent. John 20.17 Jesus says....I am ascending to my father and your father, my God and your God. Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Romans 5:15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man (Adam) how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! The Greek word for “man” in these verses is anthropos. The Greek word anthropos means “a human being, whether male or female, generically, to include all human individuals, to distinguish man from beings of a different race or order.” Anthropos is used to describe Adam, the first man. In the same verse (Romans 5:15) it is used to describe Jesus Christ. If words mean anything, one must believe that Jesus Christ was a flesh and blood human being just like Adam. On the other hand, Scripture says “God is not a man.” Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man… Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that he should lie, or a mortal… Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man- the Holy One among you..

[@jma7600]

A singular source copied over and over doesn’t necessarily lead to a prophet receiving revelations but to possibly existing written sources.

[@anewdayali2538]

If it’s copied there should be errors and there should contradictions and difference just like you have with the many many many bibles. And another thing that debunk that claim is if you believe all that then surely you can produce a text like the Quran even try produce one as the smallest verse in the Quran. Get whoever you want to help you, you think it was many people that complied the Quran, then get many people, get many linguistic specialists, get your academics, get your professors, get your priests and your gods, get the devil and get them all to help you produce even a verse like the smallest verse in the Quran. Surely if you’re truthful you should be able to produce a verse like the quran but you will never be able too.

[@jma7600]

@@anewdayali2538 I will show you some copyist errors if you tell me first: are you an Arab speaker and reader ? Otherwise we will have a problem with textual translations.

[@omarfaruque3932]

Thank you. That was very informative!

[@inquisitivemind007]

Check out the interview Derek did with Robert Hoyland called Was Umar the Messiah?

[@mohammedmkhan2906]

Check out the following: Rachel, the daughter-in-law of Ruth, was a priestess of Lah. Waraka, the sister-in-law of Muhammed,was his teacher in the ways of Islam.

[@takiyaazrin7562]

Great work

[@sinjary]

At 41:43 with the question "is the Quran preserved word for word?". I didn't understand the answer of Dr.Anthony. Can anyone please elaborate about what he was saying??

[@amanpalestina9664]

I'll try _(insya Allah)_ : Quran is *FORMIDABLY* preserved through the tradition. The host (Derek) don't ask for an Explanation. Just a SIMPLE Yes or No. Allow me to explain then : Quran or any other writing of that period and region were ONLY written on Parchment, Scroll etc etc, here and there. There is NO paper technology from China yet to mass preserved it until the earliest is in the 10th-Century (Paper). The ONLY available METHOD of preservation is through a *RECITATION* (Hafazan in Arabic) from memory or as what Dr. Anthony referred it as TRADITIONS. Its practiced through the 5X prayer a day, at least. Quran is in Quranic-Arabic. The sister language of Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac etc etc. THE MAJOR criteria of the Semitic Language is the GRAMMAR and in writing they use the ABJAD (sort of Alphabet) *WITH NO VOWEL* having a ROOT ABJAD (at least 3) for Adjective, Pronoun etc etc. The Syntax is also different form normal language. English and French only have 6 Pronouns but they has 12, complete with gender. *DUAL* pronoun ONLY existed in the Semitic language. The MOST Amazing Thing about the Semitic Language is that *THEY ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 500 ROOT-WORDS*, taking advantage of the pronouns to make it a HUGE Library of Vocabulary. The Thai Language has the most root-words, more than 200,000. *WITH LESS THAN 500 ROOT WORDS THATS ADVANTAGOEUS TO BE MEMORISED* Earliest Torah is mostly in Greek Kone (except for the Dead Sea Scroll) and its difficult to retraced it back. As for Bible, unfortunately we don't have the Original, in Aramaic. The present Arab or Jew and Bani Israel etc were practicing the respective Literature and Spoken Language, NOT the ORIGINAL or as what they called as Classical Arabic and Classical Hebrew. *THEY WERE TIED BACK THROUGH THE ABJAD, ROOT-WORD, GRAMMAR* etc. As for Quran THEY HAVE THE *TAJWEED* or proper pronunciation, enunciation, and the application of specific rules to ensure the accurate preservation. To further strengthen it they have the RASM (Official) Uthamniah for CONSISTENCY. I hope I have explained to the best of my ability. Take care

[@ahmedhk-t8z]

The answer is yes, it is preserved ,like now what I am doing is memorizing a chapter of Quran .

[@mythoughtsonreligion7763]

Mr Anthony was well understood and presented his stuff in a nice and cordial Wayne Worth while to check his material out in which I'll be doing. Enjoyed this episode Derek and keep up the great 2irk you've been doing!

[@Deuntjes1]

As a very respectable colleague says (- The Nabataean world appears to have been the setting of the Qur’an’s ‘lost’ Arabian tribes, as both Ad and Thamud can be located within it. These references, together with the Arabic language and script of the Qur’an, could point to a Nabataean heritage for its original audience.

[@andanandan6061]

But there is no proof for that. Even the 7th Century Meccan was curious where did Muhammad get his material from bcz they never heard similar recitation before.

[@libanali1626]

The question i have is how arab is connected to nabatians historicaly who were the nabatians.

[@shahidachoudhury6925]

@@andanandan6061 Ad and Tamud was completely destroyed. And the Holy Qur’an did confirm that the people of Arabs always go through those places but didn’t realize that they were much much more stronger than the Arabs but no remnants were left except their homes. And Petra ,Madani Saleh are great example of the Qur’anic information.

[@shahidachoudhury6925]

@@libanali1626 Nabatean is a made up story. They can’t produce Petra or Madani Saleh . Arabs are always there . And the group of arrogant / prideful people get destroyed by their Lord.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

​@@libanali1626Nabateans were an Arab tribe living in today's Jordan who were part of the Roman Empire from very early on. They at one point managed to split away from the Empire and set up their own mini-Empire before the Romans reconquered them. Their ancient capital Petra is a world heritage site.

[@azmisalleh6465]

Jesus lives only 30 years while Muhammad lived for 63 years. Almost double then Jesus. Just to point out something here.

[@Madmen604]

But what is your point? Jesus did not act as political leader. He did not promote violence or conquest. He was not a rebel Zealot against Rome. He was clearly more of a philosopher/healer, similar to Essenes. He was also prophetic and referred to himself as a prophet, saying to the Rabbis that a "prophet is never recognized in his own country ".

[@WelcomeToShorts1]

Some say he was one of tbt essences.

[@azmisalleh6465]

@@Madmen604 he was under oppressed by his own people's (the jews) and later killed by the Romans. As Muslim, we believed he was saved by God not crucified. Somebody else that looks like him died on the cross. Jesus is muslim too since he teaching on monotheism. Later St Paul teach trinity.

[@Madmen604]

@azmisalleh6465 Hi, yes we have some common beliefs as in monotheism and in heaven sent prophets, charity and kindness, hospitality between neighbours. "Love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus' non violent response to colonial oppression inspired Ghandi and Martin Luther King to adopt peaceful resistance and intellectual polemic as tools for justice and peace on earth. All three were assassinated. President JFK tried to live by those commandments. He too was assassinated, and his brother too. Yes, Jesus was really crucified and died. The historians wrote about it and his followers confirmed it. I do believe Jesus was crucified and died. I believe in the resurrection. If your Prophet could ascend to heaven while still alive, how much more logical that our Prophet could ascend to heaven after death. I believe his spirit took physical form when he appeared to the apostles. Paul had no believe, but was so moved by the stories he heard that he was filled with guilt. He heard Jesus voice on the way to Damascus, he lost his sight and eventually converted. It is possible Jesus' body was removed from the tomb by his relative Rabbi Joseph of Aramathia. Jesus had two important religious relatives, both Rabbis and John the Baptist was his cousin. I watched the Chosen video series, very good fyi. Cheers

[@Madmen604]

@@WelcomeToShorts1 Essenes? Yes there are some interesting ideas that fit. Maybe in his missing youth history, he lived with the Essenes, in the desert. Maybe his 40 days in the desert is a reference to the Essenes. I think there is something to it.

[@lesforets]

The Battle of Yarmouk took place in Jordan, not south of Damascus, and it was named Yarmouk after the Yarmouk River

[@adedayooyegunju828]

He said South of Damascus

[@lesforets]

@@adedayooyegunju828 maps.app.goo.gl/rDvRYt214GrV7sZw6

[@harryhagman6063]

IT IS TRULY AMAZING HOW DEREK LAMBERT JUST CAME OUT OF NO WHERE AND JUST BLEW RELIGION APART THE SCHOLARS HE GETS IS MIND BOGGLING BUT HE HAS YET TO SCORE FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULO DARN-IT THAT LAST NAME IS SO DIFFICULT

[@mustafabayraktar7754]

Wow brother Derek, if you are in to eschatology. I advise you look up Sh. Imran N. Husain. His book Jerusalem in the Quran is not only the only islamic book on the subject but it is also an Islamic eschatological explanation of our world today. Peace

[@similaritiesendhere]

Before modern scholarship, Muhammad was basically attempting to do the same thing that current day religious researchers do: Make sense of old stories/beliefs and correct the inevitable corruption of those things over the years. I'm not an apologist for Islam or even a theist. I'm just pointing out that Muhammad is a part of the evolution of questioning previous spirituailty. In the past that meant creating a new religion. Nowadays, we can question religion without creating new faiths because people are ok with just admitting that they simply don't know the secrets of the universe. You no longer have to be a "prophet" to point out the imperfections in "sacred" beliefs.

[@BC-kc6em]

You have claims that are Purley based on assumptions

[@similaritiesendhere]

@@BC-kc6em Blind faith is an assumption. I made an educated guess while giving Mohammed the benefit of the doubt. A better educated guess would be to assume that Mohammed was a fraud (like Joseph Smith) who rewrote older religions to make himself a prophet.

[@BC-kc6em]

@@similaritiesendhere you assumed I have blind faith. Everything you say is based on assumptions.

[@similaritiesendhere]

@@BC-kc6em All religion is based on assumptions. Do you have a point? I assume you don't since the most intelligent thing you've said is that my opinion about Mohammed is an opinion. BRAVO!

[@BC-kc6em]

@@similaritiesendhere I don't base my beliefs on assumptions. You are assuming every belief is based on assumptions like yours.

[@johncaseyhogan1711]

When do you draw the line how about age 9

[@sofbash]

I think a key difference between the critical history of Christianity and Judaism and the critical history of Islam is that traditional Muslim scholars did not cover anything up. The masses may have adopted a simpler, slimmed down version of Islamic history, but anybody who had the capability to become a scholar would have had access to everything that previous scholars had written.

[@jackpaul3315]

Are you joking the first biography of Muhammad came nearly 200yrs after his death 😂

[@sofbash]

@@jackpaul3315 this comment just shows how little you know. Hadith are not the same as seerah. Seerah was compiled later, but Hadith - what the Prophet said, did or approved - were recorded at the time of the Prophet.

[@user00404]

prophets aren't real ​@@sofbash

[@azizabdullah9107]

Thanks for the subject but why don’t you bring Muslim scholars? All of your questions will be clarified. Most of your questions are trivial and so simple for regular Muslim. Many of Christians have agendas against Islam and prophet Mohammad, although many of them also are fair and just, I must say. Hope I can see in future Muslim guest such as Zakir Nike. Good luck.

[@rajasabirali9856]

I really enjoyed this episode, I would like to add some information for everyone, our guest here is knowledgeable about non Muslim sources but hasn’t had the opportunity to read Muslim sources in depth and most importantly the Quran (or he has forgotten most of what he read) as it shows in the end of the conversation on the topic of apocalyptic events and the end of time. Overall good effort thumbs 👍 I would encourage you both to read the Quran if you really like books you should read it once without pre assuming.

[@ahmedshariffnoorali1337]

I think the professor is right on matters of Idolatry. I remember on of my sheikh said that the idea of Idolatry was brought to mecca by one meccan merchant from Syria and the Meccans adopted this kind of worship.

[@MrDrbld]

01:33:49 What's up Doc? The Petra theory is garbage. Why? "becuase we have papyrii from Petra and stuff like that...". And? If there is no evidence in the Archeological or numismatic record for the existance of the Mother of all cities (Mecca?) up til about 750 AD then why should there not be a plausible subsitute, as Dan Gibson demonstrates? A few of his arguments: Thomas Artsruni, writing in 887 AD makes this very clear as he identifies Petra, and then he lets us know that he is speaking of Mecca, “The Mecca” he says. In the first 100 years of Islam the mosques all pointed to this city in southern Jordan. The original Ka’ba was located in the city of Petra. in front of the large building known as the Temple of Dushara, or Qasr al-Bint. from Azraqi the exact size of the Ka’ba building during Muḥammad’s lifetime. is the exact size of the original Ka’ba building as described by Azrqi. It was not square, and each side had a different length. And this foundation matches each of those lengths. And don’t forget, every mosque at this time faced this building. From east, west, north, and south every Qibla faced this building. Very strong evidence that this is the original Ka’ba, located in the city of Petra. Now today, the Temple of Dushara stands directly behind the first Ka’ba. This was the valley where Hagar wept and cried out to the Lord, because little baby Ishmael was about to die. It was in this city that she found water, in Zamzam. Before the time of Muḥammad, the people of the city were pagans. All nonsense...garbage?

[@inquisitivemind007]

Muhammad's goal was the Holy Land Q5:21 which he was facing for 17/18 months before the qibla changed to Mecca. Towards the end of his life he engaged in Zionist activities to capture the Holy Land Q5:21 as shown in the Stephen Shoemaker interview - that's why the Jews thought Muhammad was the Messiah as reported in Theopanes 817AD and why someone in the Jewish community in the mid 8th century wrote in The Secrets of Rabbi Šim‘on ben Yohai "...He shall raise up over them a prophet [Muhammad] in accordance with His will, and He will subdue the land [Israel] for them; and they shall come and restore it with grandeur..."

[@joecurran2811]

I agree. That felt more like an ad hominen attack that an explanation.

[@lovetwentyfourseven7428]

Dan gibsons theory makes so much sense. As someone not in the Muslim world. From the outside. All the evidence sounds like Petra fits the exact city that he was in.

[@NoMan-pp1jq]

Yes we shouldn’t listen to the person in the video who is actually a PhD, professor and published author with knowledge of Islamic history, literature and Arabic language instead we should listen to some Christian apologist who believes zombies rose from the grave and roamed the streets of Jerusalem.

[@lovetwentyfourseven7428]

@@NoMan-pp1jq Sean Anthony in another video actually said there no evidence of an idol worship city under mondern day mecca. ….He slipped up!

[@NoMan-pp1jq]

@@lovetwentyfourseven7428 in another video? He said that in this video as well. Did you just click to make a nonsensical comment lol. And I do agree with him and I especially agree with what he said about Christian apologists who say Petra is the original Mecca that they are fools and preach absurdity in an attempt to derail from corruptions in their theology

[@lovetwentyfourseven7428]

@@NoMan-pp1jq yeah. I am not a trintarian Christian. I am a monotheistic beleiver; and I beleive in the one God allah. I beleive muhammed was actually a prophet and early on they were arian Christian’s. I don’t beleive the Quran denies the crucifixion. I believe it is a dowcetic view that Jesus spirit didn’t die. But was taken. Out of his body.

[@yeahehtheseguyseh3703]

Please get SHAYKH HAMZA YUSUF HANSON

[@franzxavereiholzer8499]

Very good the best solution is an analytic scientific analyses

[@thenun1846]

Great episode Derek! It's just a shame that there are some Muslims in the comments making childish comments because they don't like what they hear, I don't normally see these types of comments when you discuss other theologies.... atleast they're here and hopefully will learn something new

[@takiyaazrin7562]

Show was past 2 hours. Muslim commented past 1 hour

[@thenun1846]

@@takiyaazrin7562 😂 not surprising

[@TheUnique69able]

Christians and Jews do the same thing when scholars talk about their religions

[@hannawurst6064]

***////////⚠️⚠️ Allah's prophets are named after another GOD⚠️⚠️ Has Allah forgotten his name or is he just an IDOL!⚠️⚠️//////////**** Why is it the unforgivable sin in Islam to confess " there is only one God and this is YHWH"" The Name Jesus means------------- ***"YHWH SAVES "** Elijah means------------- --------------***" MY GOD IS YHWH"*** John means ----------------------------***" YHWH has been gracious""*** Zakariya means -----------------------***""YHWH has remembered""*** ****************are all prophets according to the Quran**************

[@stevenv6463]

Childish comments? I am like halfway through and don't see him saying anything very offensive to Islam.

[@xXyaminXx]

Can you remake this video ask the same questions to a Muslim historian?

[@bensondavido4525]

Great video. I have been reading a lot about early islam. Stumbled across a man who says muhammed never existed. It seems both religions have cloudy beginnings.

[@jd454545]

Most documented last prophet in the history.

[@bensondavido4525]

@@jd454545 but the funny thing is the early sources don’t actually talk about Muhammad they talk about Jesus and many of the later sources seem to disagree on his life. Not saying he didn’t exist I’m saying there is some murky history there and he could be a literary character as well

[@BC-kc6em]

​@@bensondavido4525you need to be very stupid to not believe he existed

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I noticed that the interviewee didn't give any dates for this Sabios person. He said that he wrote about Muhammad but when did he write? Did he write these things in the 9th century or the 10th century? We don't know. I can't find any reference to a "Sabios" on the Internet.

[@amanpalestina9664]

Maybe in his Book. Academician is unlike us, ATHEIST though they may be.

[@thinkagain2229]

Quran and Sunnah is preserved. Even every quote from prophet Muhammad pbuh, every thing he states which we call hadees is preserved and documented with chain of narrator's and their biographies

[@jackpaul3315]

There are 33 different arabic qurans. Quran preservation is a debunked myth that no one says anymore.

[@anewdayali2538]

They never studied the science of the chain of narrations, and the science of Hadith and then they speak about it like they fully understand it and have studied it and have all the information

[@sandlikhaled]

Sorrows overwhelmed the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, and his worries increased and multiplied with the death of the Mother of the Believers, Khadija, may God be pleased with her, and his uncle Abu Talib in one year. Khadija was the best supporter and helper for him - after God Almighty - and his uncle protected and protected him, and loved him intensely. His grief, may God bless him and grant him peace, was multiplied by the fact that he died as an unbeliever. The Quraysh took advantage of Abu Talib's absence to increase their harm to the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, and to oppress him. Abu Lahab was one of the people who most hated the call and its companion, may God bless him and grant him peace, to the point that he would pursue the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, during the Hajj season, and in the markets, throwing stones at him and saying: "He is a lying Sabean," and warning people against following him. Mecca became too small for the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, and his situation became difficult, until he thought of adopting another method in his call by changing the place, hoping to find acceptance. He chose to go to Taif, which was an important center for the leaders of the Quraysh and its people, and a strategic place for them, as they owned lands and houses there, and it was a rest for them in the summer. So he decided to go there, hoping and hoping that it would be better than Mecca, and that he would find support from its people. He went out on foot so that the Quraysh would not think that he intended to leave Mecca. He was accompanied by Zaid, the adopted son of the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, and he was like a protector and guardian for the Messenger of God. After the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, secured all the ways and took precautions, he headed to Taif, full of hope that it would be a land of goodness and Islam, but the surprise was!! He began with the leaders of the people to whom the matter ended, so he spoke to them about Islam and called them to Allah, but they responded harshly to him, and said to him: Get out of our country, and they were not satisfied with this matter, but they incited their fools and slaves against him, so they followed him, cursing him, shouting at him, and throwing stones at him, so his feet were injured, peace be upon him, until blood flowed from them, and the Prophet, peace be upon him, was afflicted with worry, sadness, and fatigue that made him fall on his noble face, and he did not wake up until Gabriel was standing next to him, informing him that Allah sent the King of the Mountains with a message in which he said: If you wish, O Muhammad, I will crush the two mountains on them, so the answer came from him, peace be upon him, to pardon them, saying: (I hope that Allah will bring forth from their loins those who worship Allah alone and do not associate anything with Him) Narrated by Al-Bukhari. The people of Taif continued to harm him, may God bless him and grant him peace, until they forced him to go to a garden belonging to Utbah and Shaiba, the sons of Rabi’ah, two of the leaders of the people of Taif. He sat in the shade of a tree, seeking comfort and security. Then he called upon God Almighty, saying: “O God, to You I complain of my weakness, my lack of resources, and my insignificance among people. O Most Merciful of the merciful, You are the Lord of the weak, and You are my Lord. To whom will You entrust me? To a distant one who will treat me harshly? Or to an enemy to whom You have given control over my affairs? If You are not angry with me, then I do not care. However, Your well-being is more expansive for me. I seek refuge in the light of Your face, by which the darkness is illuminated, and by which the affairs of this world and the next are set right, lest Your anger descend upon me, or Your wrath descend upon me. To You is the reproach until You are pleased, and there is no power or strength except with You.”

[@ivanos_95]

The main problem with the historical person of Muhammad, is that there are no information about such personality in the main source of Islam, namely the Quran, and all the information about such personality comes from secondary sources like the Hadith and Sirah, which have been gathered and canonized after many transitions by different individuals, centuries after the supposed death of Muhammad or founding of the religion, so it's impossible to know at this point which data is authentic and which have been invented by the Islamic leaders for political purposes, especially when different Islamic scholars have various opinions about reliability of different Hadith, so Muhammad is a secondary and very uncertain person even within Islam.

[@youmnaification]

What are you talking about. Did you search the Quran to make such a claim. There is a chapter in the Quran named Mohammed. After all Islam is not about Mohammed. It's about the message to worship one GOD and only one GOD. One of Mohammed's companion Abu Bakar said after Mohammed's death and I quote "Whom ever used to worship Mohammed.. Mohammed died and whom ever worship Allah.. Allah is alive." The purpose of Islam isn't to bring a new religion but rather bring back the religion that all the Prophets preached again to worship one GOD and only one GOD and not associating anyone nor having intermediaries. It's simple. Yeah Mohammed wasn't living in palaces with wealth or Gold and parties. he spent his life after the revelation when he was 40 years old preaching the what he received.

[@ivanos_95]

@@youmnaification Actually, over 50% of Islam is uniquely about Muhammad, as supposedly the perfect moral example for mankind. Nowhere in the mentioned chapter is there any description of a unique person called Muhammad, otherwise please give me such description.

[@user-el6xm2pk7x]

@@ivanos_95 you are making outrageous claims lmaooo Have you even read the Quran...your making it out as if the Quran is a biography of Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him) Well it is not...it mentions Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him) a couple of times

[@BC-kc6em]

​@@ivanos_95wow you are extremely ignorant 😂😂😂

[@ivanos_95]

@@BC-kc6em No, I'm simply honest, also well educated on Islam.

[@joecurran2811]

This guy says the Petra theory is nonsense but doesn't really explain why.

[@BC-kc6em]

Because it's THAT absurd

[@GnosticInformant]

InstaClassic

[@asgarextassyforces7239]

The Prophet Muhammad was asked when the Hour would come, the Prophet said no one knew, it turned out that the questioner was Jibril in disguise, the Prophet said only God Allah knows.... Likewise, when Jesus was asked he didn't know, only his Father knew (although the words in The Bible has many words that contradict each other

[@ismailrahman1203]

You provide a great service Derek, may Allah bless you

[@ShalomYal]

Nice conversation But take a deeper look into the alternate origins of Islam. There are serious scholars who are working on this. I was surprised how he towed the orthodox line