MultiVersus - a Slow, Monetization Hell

[@WaiGee_]

gentle reminder this game has 1058 people in its credits and ~350 of them are marketers and business roles, only 16 names are under coders/engineers, yknow the people actually working on the game part of the game

[@elvocool]

Naah... this is diabolical

[@ryan_raus]

That’s tragic

[@gocrashbandoloot]

absolutely disgusting. What are they getting paid/resources for? Don’t understand lmao. The game used to look & feel way better. They literally did the opposite from what people wanted & needed.

[@see2remember]

Sad but true

[@thruthevoid]

wow. i wondered why they put more into their marketing. like dang man i feel bad for those 16 people, why the company ainn hire more😭👎🏽

[@NO-io3lo]

Ironic, how a dev team called “player first” didn’t take a shred of community suggestions lmao

[@darksyde3000]

A full revert to the beta would be better in every way and that’s fucking pathetic.

[@gexone-shotstudio9621]

🐑

[@JasonPeters-s9z]

No, the game speed is really great actually. There’s way more important focuses. Fighter currency progression limited to missions, rift grind being miserably slow, tons and tons of UI bugs, etc. The UI itself is also terrible and should be consolidated. The 2D character portraits were also beautiful and should be brought back over the 3D renders

[@KINGVENEDITZ]

If it’s a damn problem then stop playing the game😂

[@HenrySuggs-by5nd]

@@JasonPeters-s9zthe speed is trash it’s so slow that u can dodge more easier cause of how slow they would swing All they had to do was keep the beta speed and keep the current dodge meter

[@JasonPeters-s9z]

@@HenrySuggs-by5nd nah it’s just better. You can actually see what’s going on and react and predict to the opponent instead of every character flying around at Mach 5. Granted, I’ve mostly only played 1v1s but it’s a big improvement.

[@drstclair]

I enjoyed the game, years ago. But never once spent money on it. I'd rather purchase a game up front and have everything available than a game be free, but you have to pay money to unlock things. I know that's more profitable for them, so it's preference. It still doesn't feel great.

[@benjoleo]

This isn’t necessarily about profit (although in this case it probably is). The f2p model attracts way more players, which is important for competitive/multiplayer games. I also prefer paying upfront but not at the cost of slow, low-quality matchmaking

[@KeyDaye]

Definitely not a gacha

[@drstclair]

@@KeyDaye I misunderstood the term and thought it was gotcha like it was a term gamers created, like the game has gotcha, now you're gonn spend lots of money.

[@7OnAtuesday]

Bro this game has corporate slop written all over it. Sucks because tom and jerrys moveset is such a fun concept

[@anthonyontv]

They spent all there creative ideas with Tom and Jerry move set and then they gave up on everything else. It really is the coolest move set for a character, and it’s wasted on a garbage game. It’s getting better though I guess….

[@benney816]

I maxed out the Character mastery for all the characters in the beta. It took a very, VERY LONG time. Then they reset them all back to zero. They say “it’s so everyone has a shared experience”. Well I already had my experience. It was rather tedious, and it looks like I’m gonna have to go through it all over again.☹️

[@swag9950]

just a play a better game my dude

[@orpheus1675]

Ain’t that deep…. You keep all the stuff you unlocked and now you get to unlock new stuff. What are you even complaining about???

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

Don't play it

[@Boboliciouus]

it was BETA... chill

[@MallyMall4488]

@@orpheus1675 This right here. I got all of the characters in the beta and still have them as well as cosmetics and emotes. Any of the new perks that I want to get, I can buy with the shit ton of free perk points. My prestige points got me the Batman who laughs skin, the Shazam ring out and the joker banner for free. It’s a free to play game and people are still complaining about having something they don’t have to pay money for, if they don’t want to.

[@chw14556]

Thank you for being honest about the game. I’m tired of seeing people defend this shit lol. It’s a disasterrrr. The choices they made are just mind blowing to me. It’s guys like Nakat who try and speak for the entire community when the majority of people did not want this game slower. ALSO, the issues go SO far beyond the speed of the game. I don’t see this game living for over a couple months.

[@Jestfoster]

So many missing features and bugs… not to mention the predatory micro transactions.

[@Frichilsasta08]

Nakat really asked the devs to make thr game slower? The pace was amazing in the beta!

[@IIIISai]

Lol

[@BlablahKia]

Have you actually tweeted to the developer and given feedback or are you just ranting on KZbin changing nothing?

[@chw14556]

@@Frichilsasta08 he works directly with the devs on the the changes they made to the game, yes.

[@Eiji475]

First rule of game design. Dont take features away from the players. Multiversus not only ignored this but then added microtransactions. Like holy shit guys.

[@misterymisterio8778]

​@@jkudasai104 If it was there , but now it's not that's the definition of taking away features dude. It really doesn't matter if they plan to put it back later.

[@tntmaster7869]

Well, it's a free game, so there's gonna be micro-transactions

[@striderrhm3094]

Calm down its a free game

[@MoonQueenWolf]

@@striderrhm3094 free games deserve to be good and keep features too, and this game has some of the most aggressive and in your face microtransactions I have seen in my life

[@Sonic171K]

F2P game gone wrong.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

Trying to make a comprehensive list of everything wrong with Multiversus 2024 relaunch >Can’t play locked characters in local or training mode, trying them before you spend currency on them >Camera is too zoomed in >30 frames of input buffer >In-game economy is fucked >Dailies take an hour to do and don’t incentivize you to play more >Can’t grind playing normal matches anymore >Rifts suck shit >Game is overall slower >Bugs and glitches galore >Beta players missing previous Battle Pass items >No leaderboards >Announcer packs are missing >Can’t toast someone back if you accidentally go back to the lobby >You no longer see damage or KOs in the result screen >No option to stay as a team >Can’t change perks or characters in between matches (fuck this change) >Free for all and Silly Mode are missing >Since there's no FFA, there's no items >Certain cosmetics that were in the beta are missing for no reason >Shitty cluttered UI >Lack of in-depth tutorials Did I miss anything?

[@RinoNation]

The game is really zoomed in, it’s more they made the characters bigger for whatever reason

[@skybattle1184]

The garnet nerf is not insane and the banana guard and gizmo need that nerd rtfn

[@kos4793]

Characters doesn't hit properly, Arya doesn't connect the moves, way worse than the beta and in the beta was already a problem but now, my god, ur lucky if u connect ur super moves.

[@buddy3007]

You can’t see where you’re ranked in the world with your character in 1v1 or 2v2

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

EXACTLY LOL

[@DreddG]

This game so slow it makes Ultimate look like Melee

[@Vlazeca]

It makes *Brawl* look like Melee

[@freetory]

Lol, the speed can get adapted to, it’s all the intentional delay they add in that makes it look even slower

[@KiingKai91]

​@@Vlazeca🤢

[@arcubi487]

It makes Brawl look enjoyable

[@johnmarkson1990]

@@freetory key word intentional. it basically means each update the game gets "faster" aka less input buffer/hit stop.

[@G_Grenouille]

Game is so floaty it became a bubble and popped.

[@swuce]

So glad leffens not being like “yeh the games alright but…” it makes the message clear as day that player first games are not putting the players first, they putting the shareholders who are actually slow.

[@DoggyP00]

This is why nobody pretends like gamers care about devs having morals. If they don't like the game, it's automatically greedy, evil devs.

[@Chips_05]

The “kids do care if a game sucks” point is even more important when you realize they’re the ones most likely to go “it’s a smash bros rip off!!!”, why would they play this over the real deal?

[@Elit3Energy]

Free to play. And all anyone does is complain these days anyway. Every game "sucks". Always something to cry about.

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

Refreshing to see someone not shilling for this trash

[@cattlehoop]

The game needs a TON of work still, which is annoying cuz it was just offline to be worked on for over a year. But it did need to be slowed down from beta, at least the amount of dodges and invincibility gained from them. I don't think a dodge attack taking half your meter is a bad thing, it allows you to use a defensive resource for offensive pressure and the existence of the dodge meter itself allows the game to have an actual disadvantage state instead of essentially ledgedashing around the entire stage and having to guess where their invincibility ended (beta MVS). Not every game needs to be as fast as melee. MVS still has fun gameplay, after you play it for a bit you definitely get into a groove and the game flows really well. I really appreciate it being more focused around 2v2 as well. It's a really, really fun game that is plagued by extremely poor choices by the developers.

[@curse5697]

19:23 Difference between uncultured greedy company with only big IPs vs a small team made of players of the genre with smooth and excellent gameplay feel. Man if only Rivals 2 had some huge IPs it would blow up the market

[@punkypony5165]

Rivals 2 doesn’t need any huge IPs let them do their own thing. Sick of plat fighters being mascot fighters

[@curse5697]

@@punkypony5165 i don't think it needs them either, i'm just saying in hypothetical case that the team behind Rivals of Aether had IPs on their game it would skyrocket in comparison to Multiversus simply because the gameplay is so much better

[@puxtbuck6731]

@@punkypony5165 I mean unfortunately I think it does need IPs. This POS game has as many players as Rivals 2

[@eviltom8783]

This is so sad. I don't even want to try this now.

[@mindlessmonk3322]

Don't it's a big scam

[@jimmike8029]

My four big complaints. 1 biggest one being the movement is unrecognizable compared to beta. Slower then molasses 2. camera is way to close most of the time, except for 2s 3. Perks are much less customizable for some reason. Lot more preselected load outs and certain perks you HAVE to pick between 4. All the new currencies are really weird and ugly. Really showing its free to play roots

[@JusRed48]

First 2 mins is exactly the same experience and reaction I had

[@xeno2517]

only played 3 hours and I'm already done. This game is definitely dying soon.

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

I watched my friends play this and it looks like powerpoint

[@blackboimustafa7396]

It’s been awhile leffen

[@sebastianbelu1417]

Bro I cant do shit I am literally fighting the controls. EVERYTHING even the sounds are just 0.5x to even to the inputs. I am pressing a button to get the action 3.5 seconds later

[@deni4l164]

Pretty sure they just wanted to lower the skill ceiling so the difference between try hards and casuals is minimal. You could play training of old version a few days prior to relaunch, the combat felt so much better and skill expressive.

[@shadycat8898]

The genre getting pushed to roll-back was a great thing. This game makes me worried about other influences of upcoming games. My concern is if 2XKO pushes the genre to F2P, that most fighting games won’t have the clout to sustain off reasonable monetization and we will see a lot of franchises with this kind of monetization. Some of the paid ones are already pushing suspect things like items costing different amounts than you can purchase in currency.

[@viivoid]

this video was so fucking cathartic; we normally dont like just complaints constantly but GOD it feels so good for a player who KNOWS gameplay to come at every aspect of MV when it genuinely needs that to happen cuz no one's talking about the real problems thankyou Leff

[@Cherrynasb]

Leffen at 16:54 you mention a ftp platform fighter (you also say with WB ip haha) should be a slam dunk. While its been out awhile, have you haver tried Flash Party? Its somewhat more traditional but has Squad Strike for Comp. Its kind of an in between of Smash 4 and melee. Its also a mobile game/pc game. It has quite a different feel to it vs mvs does. Would love to see a vid of your thoughts of it vs mvs.

[@hasbulla6747]

2:16 damn his hair was slightly off camera this game is an insult to fighting games

[@lordmolag45000]

Either Warner Bros. decided that the game should be much more slower and heavily monetized, or it was the decision for Player First Games to make the game worse. Either way, both should be ashamed of themselves for making a worse product than they had almost 2 years ago.

[@bryanu1737]

You cant even change your character anymore

[@Vlazeca]

The gameplay genuinely looks slowed down. Why they would make a slow game even slower is a mystery to me. Even with the awful monetization garbage, I can’t imagine ever wanting to play this.

[@myvendetta1467]

Why did they take out the ability to see your kills and damage at the end ? And like always they want you to spend 20 dollars on skins

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

​@@jkudasai104remade it my ass it's worse than before

[@gabeygaymes8510]

Finally, a game I can play when I’m already completely mentally, physically, and spiritually destroyed. 🙃

[@tyg-zw7nn]

Eh in a year they will start advertising the new smash bros. It's a small diversion for now.

[@anakin007darth]

Thank Sakurai we have melee

[@WTH1music]

My beloved

[@cagecage3444]

I actually like the speed, because now you can actually pull combos on people and not be a spam doge zoom through the whole map bs. And when you watch KZbinrs pulls combos you can actually understand whats happening

[@Gg.giantsfan]

The first two days I didn’t like it, but I will it’s growing on me all they have to do is up the by 1.5 , revert the perk system and put damage back in I’ve been using the new defensive mechanics and I came from tekken so I like punishing unsafe moves that’s where it seems like they pushing towards now it’s not by far a finished product but I do have faith think we should give them some time to cook

[@Narutimake]

The moment you open this game you're crowded with a ton of micro transactions, that's enough for me to know this game is not going to last for very long

[@mindlessmonk3322]

Yep they got too greedy

[@rances4418]

It’s free to play not saying that was the right move but this should be expected. In game that gets money from things you can earn in game and not directly from the player. They have to advertise to you like crazy

[@Narutimake]

@@rances4418 they can be less intrusive, for example LoL has the same model but is way less intrusive with the monetization

[@Sonic171K]

I’m sure MVS won’t last forever with shitty Warner. So me putting more money into it would be stupid. I’m still mixed on this game after the beta.

[@O.wmeo2Op1a]

I lost half of my charecters and it got replaced with perk currency ☹

[@MailMayne]

They give you tokens for the characters you had.

[@myhatzulu]

​@@MailMaynecan i buy all those characters i lost immediately with those tokens??

[@MailMayne]

@@myhatzulu yes

[@stenboss1816]

I enjoyed the beta but now it sucks. Slow gamespeed and bad input lag.

[@jackobnicolas6567]

Thanks for all the effort you put into this video, it definitely payed off!

[@Bonecrusher1022]

I keep trying to watch this game but get bored after 5 minutes. I was surprised how many views it gets on YT. Game is gonna be like MK lol

[@grapetoast]

It almost seems like they want it to fail. It's like a tax write-off or something lol.

[@WTH1music]

Vert surprising that they made the game objectively worse in almost every way. This feels like a stock short bet almost lol like they wanted it to fade. Rivals will deliver us friends. We need only wait.

[@TheSackersLounge]

No shot nakat the one who won a evo tournament told the devs to make the game slower

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Nakat probably told em to buff Wonder Woman too lol

[@StitchySpooks]

Word of advice for future game developers: Don’t listen to pro players to design your game. They’re people with too much time on their hands, not experienced developers who understand good game design or attention to detail LMFAO

[@king_pred3453]

Let me just start by saying thank you for being the voice of the community and addressing this. We need more big content creators to at least acknowledge these things so that they became more aware to the dev team and community as a whole. I had 350 hours in the beta and played almost every day with my roommate. We patiently waited during the 10 months the game was down and highly anticipated its return. I was certainly prepared to spend hours grinding the game back out again. However me and my roommate INSTANTLY stopped playing upon its return. I agree with every single thing presented in this video but there are some things I desperately need to reiterate: 1. Don't you think I would've bought every character in the beta with my mountain of gold had I known it would be removed, and compensated with actual garbage? Now I'm stuck with a ton of characters locked where instead I easily could've purchased them all previously. 2. It is NOT fun at all to have 30+ frame delays for most moves in the game. The speed is atrocious and utter garbage and is a total slog to play though. The end lag / start up times for every move on every character (including jump speed) makes the game inherently feel unresponsive and unfun to play. Reaction time should be rewarded in a fighting game which is a concept that suffers with the new slow state. The current speed feels more like a chess match with how back and forth the gameplay is, instead of a much more fun faster paced feel. 3. In the beta, simply the more you played, the more you gained; yet that whole idea is completely non-existent in this new version. You're rewarded just the same amount if you played 100 hours versus someone who plays a character for 2 hours (excluding missions). Where is the incentive? Am I supposed to keep playing just to not have anything to work towards? Its a completely backwards and broken system. Look at some of the most popular free long term based games, such as any of Supercells mobile games. Free games, such as clash of clans or fortnite, are wildly popular because every single day there is something to strive towards and accomplish, which is not really the case for this game. And even IF there was something to work for like higher ranks on your characters, you're not gonna have fun doing it anyways when the movement is unplayable. 4. There is absolutely ZERO justification for removing end game stats, leaderboards, exp gained from battles, and individual fighter ranks. Genuinely I see no justification for taking away something every person agreed was a good thing. The direction the dev team took with the mountain of disagreeable changes is laughable. Who thinks TAKING AWAY content is better than leaving it in or adding it? Its completely illogical and unnecessary. 5. Overall, its safe to say that I was heart wrenched and hugely disappointed upon returning to this state of the game after a long 10 month wait. These are issues me and many other people surely agree upon and I know at least in my case, there's no reason I would want to play this game knowing how much better it was/ could've been. Its just like when someone transitions from 60 to 120 fps. Once you experience greatness, you never want to go back. This game unfortunately gave us an incredibly fun and simply designed beta, including its very user friendly and intuitive UI, and instead reverted to a fortnite menu copy with way too many buttons, and numerous issues and changes that were either entirely unnecessary or straight up bad. I appreciate anyone who took time to read this. I am hugely passionate about this game, but until most, if not all of these changes are at least acknowledged or fixed, I don't see myself returning to this hot garbage game state.

[@StitchySpooks]

After reading the whole thing, good points btw, I agree with this. They halt progression to boost long-term engagement for you to play everyday. It’s structured like a live-service game but doesn’t FEEL like a video game. I don’t even feel in control of my character half the time anymore. I used to be so in tune with Tom & Jerry, but now I find myself throwing out moves I input half a second beforehand. I don’t mind the slower, more tactile pace. If it didn’t feel like I was planning out my button inputs 2 seconds before they actually register

[@Imvmad]

Thanks for the honest take, like I said half the moves, control schemes n options, half the perks, and half the speed and half the view screen. Game feels like your turn now my turn when you attack. Made for infants and unfun.

[@UltimateBlaze40]

Notes from Sakurai's KZbin channel would have been helpful to this game

[@KKOOLSKOOL]

Bro thank you for speaking the truth on this cuz it makes no sense how they spent all that time making the gameplay so much worse and wasting all that time on damn monetization the higher corporates forsure seen the initial buzz with the game and got money hungry and probably strong armed PFG bc I don’t believe this was their vision

[@charmanfer]

Are you coming to Smash Factor?

[@nkirmath8621]

I'm glad this review is honest

[@0execute]

the day i agree with Leffen, i know things are bad for the game.

[@buddhakai1458]

I mean it's about just as fun as the beta (which is a problem for a full release). Same problems tho. -Most combat is all done in the air. -Aerial combat doesn't have air to ground transitions. (Probably so they don't have to code or worry about landing lag balance) -MTX out the ass -sound design -literal CPU in online matches -no beta progression transfer for early adopters Basically a soulless cash grab capitalizing on brand image. Just some fodder I'd put on for the kids that don't cost me a dime to launch. Don't put any money into this game, that's the only way to stop this type of sludge from hitting the streets.

[@laxmo5504]

i hope this video ages like milk

[@thewubgod]

It won't. The game will definitely be dead in months

[@shimodu402]

Hopefully because PFG listens to feedback

[@laxmo5504]

@@thewubgod such pessimism

[@nickF_CA]

​@@thewubgodThey dont need the smash scene for it to be a success. Theyre a drop in the ocean, they arent as important as they all think they are. The game is and will continue to be a success. Just like MK games feel like busts to FGC people but they are always massively successful

[@thewubgod]

@@laxmo5504 it's unfortunate because i enjoy the gameplay but everything surrounding it is so bad, and we've seen this happen with almost every F2P game before. this one is making all the same mistakes and will suffer the same fate, it's easy to see

[@BlablahKia]

If people have issues which I see these the most Event Notification Bubble - For some players Content Missing from Beta - Some players are missing previously unlocked content from the Beta. All Characters Not Available and should be available In Training Mode. Players request Battle xp gain from each mode just playing the game not just missions or events. Add Coop with Ai partners to Rifts and other modes. Add option to remove color outlines from characters in all modes. My advice reach out to the developers however you can maybe all of this gets changed as it should have or not better than just spamming here doing nothing 😅

[@keb7066]

the beta was just a grift to get melee players to waste their money on this shit. wish i could get a refund

[@Sleeepy.]

Game straight up looks like a parody of itself

[@AllyHollic]

Idk i just started playing it last night and km enjoying it.

[@enjoyeroflemons9342]

Leff your hair looks so good

[@Barsee23]

the camera seems really zoomed in

[@i_dvnny]

speed is fine to me, just bring back the input buffer setting, fix the netcode, add a ranked mode cus ppl be leaving, remove like 50% of the perk point currency from progression and battle pass to reward more important currencies, then make rifts and events less grindy. otherwise im really enjoying this game, the launch has just been shaky unfortunately. also you refill your dodge meter by attacking your opponent 🤙🏾

[@rawrdino7046]

Its sad this game might die again, i feel like even when they update the game itll be too late.

[@droid4d279]

How do I play with random people

[@hasbulla6747]

imagine hating on the game because batman has too many skins and hating on the fact that a f2p game is trying to make money off of skins not even p2w stuff

[@GabuFGC]

I very much dislike MVS 2024 as well, the MVS Beta was SO much better but Leffen is came into this game ready to hate it. I'm all about giving things a fair shot, but this is just just comes across as hating just to hate because its popular and will get views.

[@DarthSangheili]

Its still completely accurate.

[@Palolo2343]

Being honest for views? He is not suckin this game ignoring all the flaws for views like the rest

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

​@@Palolo2343exactly lol

[@GabuFGC]

@@Palolo2343 You're right, It is honest and I don't disagree on but it IS objectively very biased and unfair sounding.

[@GabuFGC]

@@DarthSangheili Don't get me wrong, I mostly agree with his views, but that doesn't make the review any less unprofessional sounding.

[@chrisjovelgames]

This guy is super salty ...lol

[@Triforce9426]

The characters still have no fucking weight to them.

[@andrewgraham7215]

Missing all my unlocked characters and some skins I had 👍🏻 already want to uninstall because of that

[@Splinteastwood]

Yeah not sure why such drastic changes from beta it feels like a completely different game and its not great.

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

If U are complaining about the little pay 2 win Multiversus has............. imagine with PET SIMULATOR ON ROBLOX...............

[@KalebSDay]

I don't know what everyone is complaining about the game speed looks normal...mind you I was watching this at x2 speed haha.

[@nickF_CA]

Every game has to be a melee clone 😅

[@arcubi487]

It makes Brawl look enjoyable

[@playboijet215]

Y’all always complain and cry about something the main people complain about the speed are people like this weirdo in this the video u don’t like the game speed don’t play it lil bro the 1v1s are fun the game is fun where its at u just complain too much 😂

[@wolfen888]

Bro every game since melee is mid at best. Melee-control will apparently be forever where it’s at.

[@riahisama]

Legit killed the game for good

[@steelhawk8026]

Bro just watching it looks miserable. I played the beta and thought it was a decent game not anywhere close to melee but not bad, but this is unplayable.

[@echospace7347]

Idk I love this game so far

[@tjack0110]

So many things wrong with it. I really hope they fix it though

[@_dvmbo]

wasn’t this guy sponsored by multiversus??

[@test443-p1l]

every content creator says they can make a better game, but they never do

[@themanager10yearsago29]

yes they do that. also pickle Rick leaked a lot of characters

[@SleepingChimes]

yeah, because those are definitely their goals and could magically put themselves in the theoretical they’re imagining. what an asinine comment

[@benjoleo]

Making this game better is really not that hard in this case. You just roll back the changes that almost everyone hates and you‘re done

[@test443-p1l]

@@SleepingChimes usually when content creators actually attempt to make a game they get humbled very quick. Making video games is alot harder than people think.

[@test443-p1l]

​@@benjoleo You cant make everyone happy. Alot of people hated multiversus in beta, why do you think it died? Trash netcode, ping advantage, unpunishable/spammable moves, And the gameplay was just mindless spamming. oh, but it felt good to play... lmao

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

THIS GAME IS VERY, VERY GRINDY......... but is a a good grindy....... I guess it doesn't feel too long, it doesn't feel pay2win, it feels kinda like fortinite even though I never played fortinite but it still has too many currency types and I much prefered the basic:'' one currency for free stuff and the other currency for paid stuff'' system but that is just a nitpick

[@rundownnnn]

i can’t even try to play brawlhalla or this game its so braindead it’s not even funny man we really had it good with all the smashes back then now look what kids are playing i feel bad

[@lilgohan]

had to watch this on 1.25x :(

[@tajaikeaton6388]

Msg always comparing shit to smash lol mvs doesn’t need the smash scene to flourish go play smash

[@TommyGonzalez-o6r]

y'all complain about anything, the game is NOT that bad. it aint gon be perfect

[@BiggestP_]

Seriously

[@myhatzulu]

you werent here for the beta were you

[@nickF_CA]

​@@myhatzuluthe beta had a 99.9% player drop off. What is this revisionist history that the beta was a god like game to yall 🤣🤣🤣

[@Jbswe]

@@nickF_CAthis will also have that big of a drop off in a month

[@nickF_CA]

@@Jbswe has nothing to do with what i said. What you say is true and is true for every game. My point was there's a sudden narrative online that the beta was this amazing game that got ruined...when in reality they talked the same shit back then lol

[@MarkFloryda]

This is the biggest overreaction I've ever seen to pretty wellmade game that's trying to stand out from other platform fighters. I agree it could be a little faster, but the gameplay definitely isn't horrible. It's been pretty fun tbh, and as you play it more and more it kinda starts to click with you and starts feeling pretty good.

[@Frichilsasta08]

I prefer the pace in the beta...and the aerials not finishing even when landing is so wack to me. This game will be a casual experience. I see this game dying very fast unless it magically captures children and they blow it tf up

[@kp7505]

Typical smash players crying about any and everything that isnt smash. Smash has been getting worse with every game. Im enjoying this way more than ultimate even with the inconsistent net.

[@DoctorMario606]

​@kp7505 Normally I'd agree but nah. I can totally see why this game wouldn't be someone's cup of tea. Even without smash the combos and movement in this game just don't feel fulfilling to me

[@Frichilsasta08]

@kp7505 I don't even like ultimate but ultimate is a much more solid game than this...this game feels like a mobile game for children. Lmao

[@darksyde3000]

Sorry bro but no, he is completely correct on all fronts. This is an absolute insult to platform fighters and to anyone who played the beta.

[@Midori_Hoshi]

Oh no. You have ads on the screen? I gave up at 21 seconds.

[@TheChocolatBlanc]

Good to see you uploading again.

[@finnscream]

Common L leffen take

[@Acriio]

People always complain for no reason , I played beta and I like the new slower style , before people just jumped around fishing for one move to start an infinite combo , now fights actually feel fleshed out and enjoyable . Also the camera is not bad at all characters are always in focus of the screen I can’t understand the complaining about it . Only thing I can understand is the currency’s for buying characters, but the skin currency I won’t complain about . The game is free to play and skins are NOT necessary if you don’t want to spend money on skins DONT . These days people just wanna shit on anything without seeing the benefits

[@thedeed8740]

I think the hating fast paced gameplay is a valid perspective to have I preferred the fast gameplay but I wouldn’t have minded a slow down but this is a MASSIVE slow down to the point we’re it might as well be a turn based game 😭 Also the monetization is bad. We don’t need to be defending WBs scummy bs they pull because that’s how they keep getting away with it. Starting the game with one character that you don’t get to choose is dumb and when the games whole progression system is unlocking perks as well as cosmetics it can feel pointless to play when I won’t get anything cool for spending time on the game. I think it’s fine to have a shop that’s whatever but when it’s all locked behind a Ingame currency that rewards you for spending irl money it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially when the game removes features like playing locked characters in the training mode. It feels like they put lore thought into ways to monetize rather than gameplay

[@reavergod5226]

I mean ive almost made enought for two characters in like maybe 3 hours of play without paying for it my only issue is frame rate and crashes (ps4) and all old gen console players have it worse the frames are terrible unplayable i wish my only complaint was the cost of things

[@kuhyugaa]

I love this review 😂💯

[@Johndoughgoat]

Was here for the beta and I can say the game got issues but leffen here is just complaining about anything like ”sound mixing" which is good btw and the slower gameplay is better since beta was spam fest and dodge fest now you have to be more cautious about what you do which is fine

[@Thurmanation2011s]

I love bots because I get to win

[@Winterzz.]

crying over lebron being in the game is insane 😂

[@Palolo2343]

ANY game as service is trash

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

Holy shit it’s worse than a mobile game

[@jalonridley6975]

Leffen touch me dad we miss you

[@curse5697]

Rivals 2 is so much better

[@kiIIer_b]

Im not stepping foot near that game