I Debunked the Entire Manosphere

[@suselperez2409]

When men blamed single mothers for getting pregnant, we listened! When men blamed us for being in an abusive situation and told us to 'pick better men', we listened! Now women are leaving these men alone! Now they complain that they are lonely and that women are not having children anymore. The disconnect is real!

[@LizNeptune]

I want to save this comment somehow lol this is it all right here!!

[@TjPhase]

Moving the goalpost at its finest

[@sgshumblecrumb6046]

If you're a woman and single, you're either worthless if you have kids, or if you don't have them you're just a crazy cat lady. You have no worth without a man according to them.

[@suselperez2409]

@@Visitor145 Sir/ma'am, I've never been married and since I'm already 33 and have hit 'the wall' according to these 'men' I'll remain a cat lady until I die! Idk what kind of marriages you've seen but I was raised as a very conservative Christian woman from a third world country. I can do it all for any man with a baby on my hip. I know because I did this as a child and teen helping my mom with my sisters while my stepdad lived in the home and only worked (so did my mom btw). ALL THAT to say men have been molesting their children, cheating on their wives and having sexual side quests because they created a society where women had no other option but to put up with it or die penniless or worse risk the social shame of being a single mom. Just because the marriage doesn't fall apart doesn't mean shit isn't happening behind closed doors. Our grandmothers stayed through it all, some of our mothers got divorced and still had to chase down the man for child support. My generation is not even bothering with all the things we've seen. Men are filled with lust for women and zero respect.

[@suselperez2409]

@@Visitor145 thats a whole lot of backpedalling! ' In the end though what was done in the past to women and what many men feel is going on now, the only choice is to go along with it or leave' That's a real head scratcher. Add some grammar in there so it can make sense.

[@tonioalarcon-borges3619]

“everyone knows rape is bad!” I’ve sat through SA presentations every half year in the military and occurrences have barely changed! Its the snide remarks and glazed over stare that remind me that no, some people DO NOT know that rape is bad

[@c0nd0rd4myt]

I don't know what your units have been like, but there was a while where every time we did that training the conversation would get distracted by the O's and what to do about false reporting.

[@StealthMarmot_]

Indeed, it's sad that people need to be told that it is bad, but more importantly what constitutes rape or assault. Unfortunately, these are not the kind of people who are likely to be swayed by some training video.

[@trishapellis]

I've seen a TED talk once - I'm afraid I don't remember who was talking, but it was a woman who would go give SA awareness talks to high school and college football players if I recall. And she said that at the beginning you start doing your talk and you see their eyes glaze over, because they're only here because they're being forced to. But she would have a presentation with photos of women, and in the beginning they'd be random women, but after the first few, all the pictures were of women that these young men actually cared about - their sisters, their mothers, cousins, girlfriends, childhood friends, whoever the lady could get pictures of through the boys' coaches and parents. And that was what hit home for those boys - that she was not just talking about "women" as a faceless group or a statistic. For every behavior you show or use toward a woman, imagine another man doing that same thing to your sister, your mother, or the girl next door who's been the one you've been able to talk about everything with since you were five.

[@reptilianstudios8994]

Someone should tell the guy mad about gynecologists that pretty much every part of the human body has an entire type of doctor dedicated to it's care.

[@luna-p]

And that there's a TON of medical problems relating to female reproductive organs that medical science still barely cares about.

[@Ghoulicus]

To be honest, I forgot Urologists exist for a second too lol. Though men don't go to them for checkups nearly as often as they should, the only time I ever went to see one was about 10 years ago, and that was because I had a small growth that I found. (It was not malignant, and the surgery to remove was a success. I asked the doc to add a few inches but he declined.)

[@lemsip207]

Not always doctors but medical people such as opticians, dentists and physiotherapists who aren't doctors as they don't take a degree in medicine and specialise later but take degrees in dentisty, opthalmology or physiotherapy specialising from the start.

[@wisdomandy9361]

There's a difference though. Each part of the body requires immense understanding past the surface. But in a few hours you can learn a lot about most subjects let alone if you've studied how they intertwine for 20-30 years. The funny thing about this is when you study topics that intersect, you get greater understanding of the original topic and vice versa. This is why phycology is a joke without a base layer understanding of behavioral biology. Behaviors > thoughts.

[@johannaswanson4077]

The guy just needs to see a proctologist as his primary care provider.

[@usyan]

There was only one person that I can speak openly, ask for advice, vent when I was highly depressed and she was mature, kind and intelligent to help me out. She was my foundation year English teacher. Unfortunately we lost her nearly a year ago. Existence of women like her in my life always helped me to avoid any kind of misogyny. She was like a force pulling my mind from this red pill ideas. Rest in peace, greatest teacher of all time. You still keep teaching me lessons even after your death.

[@c0nd0rd4myt]

sorry for your loss. She sounds like an exceptional lady.

[@sfwelles2712]

I completely lost it at "its not an emotional reaction, it''s a fact reaction". at first I thought this was you making a satirical joke, then he actually SAID it, UNIRONICALLY

[@noalowenstein6741]

it's a reFACTion

[@chrismills7703]

If you just define “emotion” as “what women do” and “fact” as “what men do” then yeah I guess men are factual and not emotional

[@GreebusBleeb]

@@DavidW-ng5zv yeah! Better to bottle them up and unleash them on our loved ones!

[@GreebusBleeb]

@@DavidW-ng5zv Any man who feels anything at all is weak to you. I feel sorry for you honestly, the inside of your brain must be a mess. You probably aren't very nice to yourself.

[@bhibhas9433]

@Midnight Of coarse men have emotion. But one should not based all their views or decisions on emotions as important as they are the 5 senses and critical thinking are more important.

[@immortallvulture]

There’s something pretty saddening about how the modern world was supposed to make connections and interaction easier yet everyone seems to feel more isolated than ever. And everywhere you look there’s some grifter telling you there’s some group to blame for it all.

[@IAmNumber4000]

That feeling has a name: alienation. And there is no group to blame for it, it is the inevitable result of capitalist development. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYG1qauEabCbaZI

[@MaoMavo]

it's a spiral of doom, they get banned from everywhere for saying their "opinion" and feel justified by that, but if you don't ban them you could get more impressionable people agreeing with them and then it becomes a legitimate party that will vote for their ideals, you can't allow this.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

They don’t make money on talking about a world of acceptance, care, or having a humanitarian view of the world. I imagine the American male talked about here can’t afford healthcare if they don’t grift through life. I would recommend men from other countries to not mix up the grind in the US with a generalized European society. There’s not a lot of countries in as bad shape as America where grifting is a livelihood for so many.

[@eatfrenchtoast]

Must point out that the old days sucked even worse.

[@ivanbukac4618]

Munecat blaming thing on patriarchy doesn't help either. I would like her to explain what is patriarchy and how does it influence modern countries in Europe.

[@fin3662]

That "sexual market value" graph is absolutely wild to me, bro genuinely thinks a 15 year old girl is more "sexually valuable" than a 30 year old woman, he should be locked up.

[@antonioyeats2149]

😂 as a matter of fact she is. That's a product of feminist agenda though

[@gudboah4688]

@@antonioyeats2149 🤨

[@whenpigsfly3271]

It was only a few generations ago that a woman marrying at 15 was commonplace. No one considered it to be anything but normal. It still happens in many parts of the world.

[@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066]

Making a 60 + year "life long" commitment at 15 is just ridiculous af and modern day people know better and so they so better. 15 isn't even considered old enough to drive now, but yeah have children while still a child. Sounds like a great plan for everyone involved

[@whenpigsfly3271]

@Kyla Armstrong-Benjamin - I don't understand how you conclude it's "ridiculous af." Divorce rates were very low for those people. What these successful marriages tell you is that arranged marriage works, female virginity has value in terms of bonding, and the grandparents' participation in the marriage has its own value. Contrast to marriages today: most women don't marry until around 30. Most marriages fail. Most women are promiscuous for the first 10 years of their adult lives. Women base compatibility on arousal. They call it "vibes." Pregnancies at 30+ are fraught with problems. Children raised by single mothers are far more inclined to use drugs, experience severe depression and complex trauma, and enter prison. You may want to reconsider your conclusion based on the facts.

[@MerboM89]

Ok can i say 1 in 52 ppl being sexually assaulted is still bad, right?? Like some schools have thousands of students that is a lot of assault survivors

[@corysmith3447]

this video is trash, brent turvey foresic scientist research shows 30% iof allegations are false, debunks this whole video, motives range from caught cheating dont want to be lablleed the you know what bad name, to money, fame , power revenge etc

[@corysmith3447]

lol she says very grandoisily theres never been eveidence for fasles accusations, proceeds to show evidence such as cheating use false accusation as scapegoat when caught etc..

[@SallySueSaywhatagain]

1 in 52 is absolutely still bad! My smallish state university had 11,000 enrolled students every year.

[@MerboM89]

@@corysmith3447 what

[@Ulthek]

@@corysmith3447 She merely made the (correct) argument that the performative fear of ‘being accused’ by women has no basis in reality. Whats more, it creates an ‘us vs them’ paradigm. We can all agree that both men and women have been SA’d, falsely accused of SA and physical violence. People are just terrible overall. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be empathetic for the victims. That being said, women are currently the victim of domestic and sexual abuse more often than men are the victim of false allegations. I have been on the receiving end of ‘false physical abuse’ allegations. And while it wasn’t a great experience, the charges were dropped instantly when there was zero evidence. My experience wasn’t fun, but significantly better than women suffering through abuse and fearing the consequences of coming forward.

[@Lega1Eag1e]

The part about men being ashamed of being the victims of domestic violence really hits home for me, I'm an attorney who handles a lot of DV matters and ide say 95% of the time male victims I've worked with have ended up voluntarily dismissing their cases, even when they have solid evidence of abuse. Some have even outright just told me that was their reasoning despite believing the abuse would likely continue.

[@pancakepop680]

This is true for a lot of these cases for all sexes. Always pursue it, never accept any less.

[@sista363]

Male female both victims have same be behaviour. They tend to supress their helplessness and go back to the abuser.

[@Lega1Eag1e]

@@sista363 eh, the female victims are more of a 50/50 in my experience

[@OutOfTheBoxThinker]

@@sista363 Female abusers are often a lot more subtle in their abuse, though, as it's usually a lot more psychological and less physical. Women tend to abuse through gaslighting and other forms of manipulation, which typically results in her mistreating and disrespecting her man while convincing him and their mutual friends that he is the problem. Long term, this can result in major depression and trauma and even questioning your own sanity. But good luck getting anyone to take you seriously. While feminists keep arguing that men are privileged, it's really women who are privileged, as men's rights, men's suffering and men's issues in general are almost always ignored and even ridiculed.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

@@OutOfTheBoxThinker yes this is a common one, I've experienced it and most of my friends have, when a woman treats their partner like shit, flirts with people in front of them, shows them direspect, goes along with other men messaging them, tells their friend every private detail etc. When their partner eventually says they dont like this they are informed by her that they are 'controlling and abusive', trying to control what they do. And when this drama gets out, everybody will side with her because we've been told we have to unquestioningly. Of course though most domestic abuse is committed by men and we need to sort our issues out as well. Particularly men pulling the mental health card to excuse actually abusive and controlling behaviour. Mens issues are ignored because of the same sexist mindset that women suffer from as well, I.e women have to be always feminine and weak, and men cannot show weakness, depression, emotions, have supposedly feminine interests or admit loneliness. They are kept from their families by courts because they have the sexist belief women are there for family work. Both sexes are suffering and it shouldnt be a men Vs women thing.

[@artespeck8091]

Saying you can tell when a woman has a lot of sex by the way her labia looks is like telling girls not to date guys without foreskin bc their foreskin fell off from having too much sex

[@ouwebrood497]

I think the only men that can hold that belief are men that see very few or maybe even no labia. I have sex with women that have huge amounts of sex and every woman has different labia and that's very beautiful and interesting by the way.

[@ihurtmyarm]

@@ouwebrood497 I would argue that most men have seen lots of labia, but only through pornography. Which is like saying you have seen a variety of cars because you watch formula 1. Its hardly a good representation of the general population.

[@ouwebrood497]

@@ihurtmyarm Good point! I admire sexual freedom, but I have a problem with pornography. It's the unhealthy fastfood of sexuality. Lots of young men with erectile disfunction or premature ejaculation because they watched too much porn.

[@ihurtmyarm]

@@ouwebrood497 I am torn on this issue. I have also heard that increased availablity of pornography reduces incidents on rape. I think the main problem is that it is too easily available for young people to access and that, like everything on the internet, it has been a race to make the most extreme content.

[@ouwebrood497]

@@ihurtmyarm To my knowledge, there hasn't been much evidence for either one of these: that availabilty reduces sexual violence or (what some claim because porn could have a 'normalizing' effect) an increase in sexual violence. What I'm pretty sure of (don't know if there is hard evidence) is that for the individual development of sexuality it is not good. Men should have easier acces to real women, which shouldn't be a problem, because lot of women are willing to be with a man if they want to pay. Than a man learns how real sex works.

[@NidoWeena]

"Rape doesn't happen cuz everyone knows rape is BAD", I have never laughed so hard into tearful facepalm than when I heard that.

[@UwUOnDatBeat1101]

Nobody dies because everyone knows death is bad

[@skyrah1365]

"If you're going to get stabbed, just remember they can't do that without your consent and it'll all be fine"

[@JoshSweetvale]

To be fair, that's not what he said. He essentially says that [people say out loud that rape is bad,] therefore [society is hostile to rapists.] The 'duh' isn't [people do crimes] but [people lie].

[@Victhemighty]

@@JoshSweetvale let them be disingenuous that's the entire point of this video in the first place. She even use the argument that cheating is not the norm to defend women but had no problem using rape which is even more uncommon as if it's a normal thing that happens to women everyday

[@liamwacey807]

​@@Victhemightyya, because rape is an order of magnitude worse bud. It isn't disingenuous to say (fore example) "Women cheat 10% of the time and that's fine" and also say "1% of women are raped and that's bad". They aren't the same thing...

[@EfraimNkengurutse]

I am a man and 27 now i can't believe i fell in manosphere content when i was a teenager... looking back there content made no sense thank god i am out of the loop now

[@darkydoom]

🎉 yay!

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

It's hard to avoid it entirely. They are good at advertising. I've been lucky enough to notice the bits where they accidentally say the quiet part out loud, before I got suckered.

[@anthonybird546]

What got you out? I'm curious

[@EfraimNkengurutse]

@@anthonybird546 (english is not my first language) time, maturity ?? i dont really know. i also had depressive episodes. i guess when you touch rock bottom you say to yourself :wait i gotta self actualize... there is also the mee too movement and i realize that i wasnt the only one suffering. so i was like : "men are suffering women are suffering what's going on" and you start searching of answer not the easy one of the manosphere videos but more complexe and scientificaly proved concept. and then i started having interrest in sociology, the neoliberalism , feminism theory, books that talk about class gender and race inequality and i think that gave me a better understanding of the world. and step by step you get out of this rabbit hole. i think that manosphere theory give you a frame trought wich you can see the world and understandng it better you have to replcace it with something else like for exemple human sciences (sociology, psychology, phylosophy...)

[@janjanbinks1710]

Congratulations! I hope you've found peace of mind 🌻💛

[@buffal0bilious]

Having depression and not having access to therapy for many years pushed me into the arms of self-help for a while. My takeaway? The self-help industry almost makes law and politics look honest by comparison. It did leave me with an abiding fascination with the inner workings of marketing and scams though, and once you start reading about that stuff, you really start seeing it everywhere. Hard to imagine that they don't require a "how to manufacture desperate customers and manipulate them" course in every comms and business school.

[@PAS100170]

This video on the manosphere group but I'd lump them together with the likes of Deepak Chopra. With all of them they help a little as it's basically people in need of somebody to listen and then they hook you and take you for all you have. It sickens me what people are willing to do to make money and how many of them are then thought of as 'good' people.

[@readyforlol]

I have a friend in business school, and he says they told students on their first class that the reputation of business schools always say terrible things, like they're teaching students how to manipulate people out of their money, how to lie just enough to not be legally accountable and such, and that they would prove this reputation wrong. They then proceeded to teach him how to manipulate people out of their money and to lie just enough to not be legally accountable and such.

[@love-ip7sz]

There is a lot of good self help out there and honestly even a person you don't always agree with can give you good advice that can benefit you. It's about discernment. I think Jordan Peterson has helped a lot of people.

[@voidify3]

Yeah it’s an industry. And if people stay miserable, they’ll come back and buy more self help books. It’s all connected

[@dragonarmy4208]

It’s called “marketing” and it is included in comms and business courses

[@jackieeg]

literally had a boss tell me “I made enough money for a woman” and “I’m just here until I marry rich”… I made $14 an hour…

[@wraithwrecker_]

Simply psychotic. Least deranged boss.

[@ANTH0NY.VII.]

Men literally sold their women and daughters for profit and or land, and then complain that our culture perpetuates this. While upholding the patriarchy

[@peskypigeonx]

On a side note, how old was he? Because I just want to be sure…

[@fawnieee]

I recently read a study that female surgeons and drs have a far higher success rate of correctly treating and healing their patients than their male counterparts, but they're paid 2.5% less than their male counterparts. :/

[@masterplusmargarita]

I recently casually mentioned to a guy I know who's part of the manosphere that I'm ace. He told me that wasn't a real thing and that I must just be so bad at attracting women that I'm in denial about wanting them - he used the term "sour grapes". Ironically, I got way better at being around women when I came out to myself as ace, because prior to that point I saw myself as straight and (stupidly) had it in my head that being single was a failure of some sort and I tended to approach all women as potential partners. It's hard to tell without seeing myself from the outside, but chances are I was being very creepy. Realizing I honestly have no interest in dating people (outside a misguided and stupid attempt at comforming to social norms) meant I started treating women as regular humans, and - shock and awe - that made them way more willing to be friends with me, which I'm more than happy with because friendship is awesome. Acting the way the manosphere would have me act was actively pushing women away from me - I know, shocking.

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

"that's not a real thing." and then they wonder why the number of asexuals are rising. Like could it be that your personality is such shit that it's turning people off? So sorry that happened to you, of course asexuality is real and valid.

[@atom8248]

@@hey9433 what?

[@mahmutcankaya3321]

@@hey9433 You realise he wants to be friendzoned. That's what being ace means. You know, asexual. He just wants to find friends.

[@ashcloud87]

@@hey9433 you must not have any reading comprehension huh

[@masterplusmargarita]

@@hey9433 I appreciate that everyone else here appears to be as confused by this comment as I am

[@Schwenne1994]

As a studied biologist these manosphere guys make my blood vessels burst because they use language they don't understand to proof shit that doesn't make sense once you start thinking about it. It makes me irrationaly angry

[@jeremy49988]

I don't have the benefit of your education, but I place a lot of faith in fields such as sociology, psychology, biology, etc. Even from a non-altruistic perspective I find the manosphere claims upsetting; patriarchy tries to dictate what and who I should be because I happened to be born amab; feminism liberates me from that.

[@barry963]

So what do your studies tell you? Add something please.

[@barry963]

Patriarchy told me to protect women, I dipped from it as soon as I could. It said not to steal, lie, etc. Umm, gimp myself? No thanks. I went the easier path.@@jeremy49988

[@EdwardHohenheim]

​@@barry963You're gay for myron and fresh

[@EdwardHohenheim]

@oddv123456 Peterson is about to lose his licence lmao

[@waspywasp451]

The Fresh and Fit moment when as soon as the women spoke out and stood up for themselves were immediately kicked was actually embarrassing. My god, what a sad level of insecurity

[@ralphwilsin]

Yeah that was so sad 😂😂😂😂😂

[@danielleerin6884]

How is this podcast allowed on platforms?

[@berni1011]

But we are not emotional bros, my outburst when people point my respect hypocrisy is completely factual bro, only women emotion, I big testosterone, gym, facts, never mad, only women get emotional

[@DMO-DMO-DMO]

@Sean E because of the purposeful dumbing down of society, I dunno

[@mebeb6399]

@Sean E they keep contradicting their views, i do not understand how they have following.

[@RR_theproahole]

I have dived deep into the rabbit hole of that alpha male crap around 2-3 years ago and I was so much convinced with these guys. I missed out the opportunity to talk to girls in my school days and it resulted into my thinking being completely f*cked up towards women. I have a younger sister and I didn't talk to her much but it all changed when the COVID happened. Since we were not going anywhere outside, we started to take evening walks on our tarace and that's where I first time got a genuine interaction with my sister and from then on my thinking got completely changed towards women. At that moment I realised that any idea which divide humans among different groups and paint them all similar is not worth following. Every human is an individual and everyone is different and we just cannot judge someone by their gender or any other thing, no two people are gonna act the same way in any situation. From there till now, I have changed a lot

[@Griot-Guild]

Wow

[@amys0482]

It's wild to me to hear men say they never took the opportunity to talk to women. Like.... that you have that option even is wild.

[@sasentaiko]

Super cool story! It gives me hope that not everyone is entrenched forever in their beliefs.

[@SabatSch95]

@@amys0482 Have you ever talked to men? Yeah that's what I thought.

[@amys0482]

@@SabatSch95 Yes. All the time. That is the point. What kind of question is this?

[@MediumDSpeaks]

When I was first sober I got into pick up artistry, because I needed to build who I was, I was 20 or 21, and didn't know how to be social, I had just locked myself away and shot drugs for the past 3 years and then been in and out of rehab. I got involved with RSD in my hometown of Miami, which had a great group. I watched so many very very insecure men get really really good at conversation and talking to people. We did value picking up women but in reality I only ever had 1 one night stand, and would always end up trying to start relationships with these girls, seeing them multiple times, trying to "juggle" 5 or 6 girls at a time and replacing one if one ghosted me or i decided to ghost one, just really treating women half like objects, and half desperately wanting a REAL loving connection and commitment, and realized quickly I wasn't happy hooking up and wanted love and commitment. That said, I did benefit and watched other guys benefit in social skills and business acumen, so there is something to be gained from the exercises of going out and having to just talk to hundreds of people, men or women, to break down self consciousness. But one of the defining moments that showed me it was empty and miserable to go out and try sleeping with all these girls was that the leader of the group, a photographer who would do "photoshoots" for girls instagrams as an excuse to get with them, while in a committed relationship with a woman he had convinced to have a one-sided open relationship, as in only HE could sleep with multiple other people a week, and she could MAYBE join him for a threesome though when I met her she said it made her super uncomfortable. When he found out I was ADHD, he wanted to buy my medication, and was in my car snorting it while I was trying to open up to him about how I wished I could "pull" girls like him. He turned to me and solemnly said "Dude, you don't want to be me. I'm fucking miserable." It took months to figure out what that meant. He was trying with drugs, cheating, manipulation of his girlfriend, sexual conquests to fill a hole that he was fully aware of but had no way to truly fix. Again, the EARLY stuff can help insecure people learn to be more social and outgoing, but from there it just becomes depraved emptiness and misery. I can only imagine where it could've gone from there onward. Happy I realized quickly enough it wasn't what made me happy.

[@tak4043]

I have a somewhat similar story. 22 got my first internet heart break, wanted to know how women work and spent a year reading everything I could find about pick up artistry. Started testing it out, which kept building my confidence. Figured out a sure fire way to get a woman turned on. Kept testing it. Had married women rub themselves on me at dinner table while their husband was behind flower arrangements, a woman on a date with another guy to the restaurant bathroom etc.. Got traumatized by the depravity. Wanted to know what it's like to really be with someone so got a girlfriend using the same tricks. It didn't really work out so after 2 years broke up. Got out of the scene completely and was fairly happy alone for a few years, all things considered. Getting into it benefitted me a lot in being more social, confident etc. but also made me despise modern culture and both men and women in it, and possibly later was the foundation for me getting PTSD.

[@danielromerosol4158]

Nothing that intense on my side but I read the game. It game me some pointers. But the part that stick with me the most is, the part on the book where Neil Straust said that his life is shallow and meaningless. That one really got stock in my mind. Some things are useful like, little life hacks… but that’s it. They are only little hacks nothing more.

[@michaelwerkov3438]

the way early sobriety and the recovery industry in general function is like bringing scammers and bad ideas together with some of the most vulnerable people in the world. too bad theres so way to skip to mature recovery, because shooting dope is usually better than early recovery

[@MediumDSpeaks]

@@michaelwerkov3438 absolutely. It took so long to convince my parents but finally there was a place that isn't affiliated with AA, you can go once a week if you want and you have freedom just have to write your schedule out. That was the only way

[@kieranhurst8543]

source: trust me bro

[@heathersand73]

The cognitive dissonance required for these people to be like "ALL WOMEN..." but also "NOT ALL MEN" is truly astounding!!

[@purringbluzzmuffin8030]

They frighten you 😂

[@JudeKnowsWhatYouDoNot]

same with women accusing men of stuff

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

It's more like: "So many women." Honestly the thing that really frustrates me is seemingly a third of women want men to behave the new way, and a third of women want men to behave the old way, and a third of women switch back and forth depending on what's convenient for them at a given moment. They don't wear signs that tell you which one they are, and if you pick the wrong one for even a heartbeat it can destroy the relationship or even ruin your life.

[@Vladimirwlr1234]

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Have you tried asking the particular woman you're talking what she's looking for?

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

​@@Vladimirwlr1234 How about they just leave me alone.

[@MrJaron93]

As a father of a 1 year old in the US. I can definitely see the vast issues with cultural parenthood. I took 1 month off when my son was born and had to use every bit of vacation time I had before the rest of the time was unpaid... While my wife got three months off and then decided to find a new job working from home so we didn't have to send our child to day care we couldn't afford.... Terrible policies enforcing terrible cultural norms...

[@emmajay2401]

Not a parent but I 100% agree. My company started offering paternity leave but its a shame its not a standard. Heck, my German colleagues get a year off man or woman and some don't use the whole year, some do. Theoretically both parents could take a year off together or in shifts and be at home the 1st 2 years of their kids life.

[@frida507]

@North Korea Is Best Korea In Sweden parental leave can be taken by one parents or shared between them. But for obvious reasons when sharing, mothers will take the first period. Of course there are always exceptions to every "rule" maybe if the mom really can't be away from the job, even though I can't think of such a case. Even party leaders,CEO:s and such take a leave after giving birth. (Most leaders aren't women in that stage of life though but it happens.) But this is a quite child centered society. You don't question it when colleagues prioritize their child.

[@frida507]

it's "an investment" for life to have a good start with your child.

[@frida507]

@Mike Dalby i'm talking about the parent, not the boss.

[@frida507]

@Mike Dalby The context I was talking about was another commenter who spent time with his child. Maybe you could trust that I know what I'm referring to. :)

[@daydreaminboy7671]

Someone on tiktok said “if you’re gonna look down upon ‘feminine’ hobbies and only engage in ‘masculine’ hobbies, you really should be dating other men” and this is reminding me of that

[@EmeraldLavigne]

I've always wondered about the concept of a "man's man." Cuz, uh, that's just Masc 4 Masc...

[@Ellie_deMayo]

The 2000’s meme of “I’m so manly it takes a man to satisfy me!”

[@Rig0r_M0rtis]

@@Ellie_deMayo Damn, now I need to figure out how to use that in a conversation

[@TonySparxx]

Yeah you are right, I am going to shave my mustache and have my toe nails did! Thanks for the advice

[@daydreaminboy7671]

@@TonySparxx you’re 12. you don’t have a mustache. stop watching “feminist gets owned” compilations and go touch grass.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

Archaeologist here: the idea that hypergamy emerged as a result of the rise of agriculture and monogamy was “invented” to fix this is the single stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire career. That’s brain worms shit. That’s a [citation needed] sign so big it would blot out the sun.

[@ArchaeologyTube]

@@emilyh7912 I haven’t though I just read a synopsis. To be honest this sounds like a book of evolutionary psychology wrapped in an anthropology wrapper. It appears to make some really sweeping pronouncements about human sexuality in antiquity without any real evidence. It’s not wrong about mobile hunting and gathering in the pre-agricultural world, but I don’t know how the authors can be so sure about sexual practice in those societies. To be quite honest this is the same sort of evidence guys like Jordan Peterson use to back up their ideas - that is to say there is no evidence one way or the other. It is entirely possible ancient HGs, in many cases, had bonobo-like sexual networks or whatever - but we do not have direct evidence for that - the same way we do not have any evidence that they would have preferred monogamous relationships. Social scientists love to use archaeology to bolster their claims about contemporary human nature but rarely adopt the humility that every archaeologist has about what the data can and cannot tell us. Geez I woke up grumpy I’m sorry. I haven’t even read the book! So whose the one making proclamations without evidence? It’s me.

[@jakobbauz]

Holy shit that's a big sign. O_O

[@merrittanimation7721]

Monogamy. Yes. That's what they used after agriculture. *looks at the nearly universal polygamy and concubinage in most literate Near Eastern societies, aka the ones who used agriculture*

[@Freefall347]

​@@merrittanimation7721 How do these societies manage to get such a surplus of women to give nearly every man in the society multiple wives and/or concubines (assuming we're not talking about women being allowed multiple husbands)? I mean, I guess a single dominant, highly militant culture could steal them through raids, but it seems like that would probably make widespread polygamy difficult in the neighboring societies.

[@SmashBrosBrawl]

Hypergamy has always existed among women. Men are polygamist, women are hypergamous. If a women were to risk 9 months pregnancy, then the women would be a fool to settle with men of weaker genetic material

[@TheColombianSpartan]

Some women _may_ cheat. Some women _may_ care only about a mans resources. But that doesnt mean all women will do that. Similarly, some men may cheat, some men may only care about a womans obedience. Its almost as if you can't put half (slightly more than half even) of humanity into a few boxes man, its stupid. Also, the roastie girls are epic

[@keylanoslokj1806]

Most will

[@nunyadambiz8034]

Most women do even if they can't pull it off

[@zakkmiller8242]

Not all men, but more than enough.

[@j.h.6835]

Here's a perhaps interesting observation from someone who has explored the cultural developments of the 20th century quite a bit: In the supposedly more monogamous period of the 50s and earlier that these guys mythologise, cheating was actually MORE common, and MORE acceptable. Like, songs and films and whatnot outright glamorising cheating were all over the place. This was precisely because women were financially reliant on their husbands, so if those husbands cheated on them, they just had to take it. They didn't have the option of walking out -- unless they had themselves been cheating, which they may have done simply so they'd have a plan B in case their spouse left them for another woman. It's only when women began entering the workforce and gained financial independence that they could demand fidelity, and the social acceptance of cheating began to quickly diminish. There was a really sharp change in how cheating was portrayed in popular culture in the 70s, which very neatly correlated with women's lib.

[@James_36]

simple fact is, men are destroyed in divorce courts, men have zero say on abortion although it "takes 2 to tango" when it comes to the responsibility of bringing up a child, the list goes on and on and on. Hypergamy is a difficult one but still lot of truth in it. but you cannot tell me a lot of social media is not promoting hypergamy type realities because it is just a fact. Women do indeed throw themselves at celebs etc and celeb women do not sit there picking their fans to mate with.. they do often pick someone their level or above. Women pickiness is not based on fear in general either, I have never seen such strong discrimination based on things beyond ones control such as height for example.. even weight now is being brought into it. You only need to see the modelling industry to prove this societal norm also. all in all this is one large fail of debunking.. some are good points but in the large she just hates anything she believes is right wing as clearly she demonstrates.

[@bingflosby]

I was raped by women when I was 12 and continually for years crazy part is it was my father forcing prostitutes on me when I grew up and was curious why being held by a women causes panic attacks similar to how I felt when I was raped when I finally realized and came out ppl told me I was gay if I didn't enjoy it and men can only be raped by other men I still can't be held and am suffering greatly but hopeful I can heal and get past it

[@gogego998]

hope God illuminates your way into healing man,I can only imagine your alienating pain. Best of luck to you,keep your head up don't gjve up on yourself.

[@coribakescakes4279]

I'm wishing you the best ❤️

[@kattodoggo3868]

@@gogego998 God already did a lot to him. Prey for God to leave him alone

[@EyeShadowQueenn]

Some ppl are dumb. I hope you are in therapy.

[@BaghNakh1]

Neither you nor any child deserves to be treated the way you were treated. Though I haven't experienced what happened to you that doesn't mean I can try to understand the hell you went through. On my country there is a famous ongoing case somewhat similar to what you describe. Thanks for sharing your story, stay strong and I hope therapy is helping you!

[@TheAussieDoc]

15:32 My wife and I constantly yell 'UN-ASKED FOR' whenever we do something sweet for each other (even if we asked for it) entirely because we found that Ninja tweet so absurd and hilarious. Excellent video like always, Munecat.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Ninja sux... Trust me. Ran into that jerk a few times during the halo 4 days around 2013. He's always had brainless takes... Just some lucky to fail upward neo lib...

[@nunpho]

Couple goals!

[@GuyPerson-jt9tv]

I hope I will have a braless wife that makes me sandwiches in the future. (Un-asked for)

[@Kamakiri711]

You know, this whole "single mothers are garbage" talking point triggers me on a personal level. After my father had an affair and left (a mostly "peacefull" divorce) my mother raised her 4 boys on her own while working. All of us graduated from school with little problems and 3/4 have university degrees while the youngest is still studying. My mother worked her ass off to provide for us and having her work so casually diminished and insulted makes me angry on a level I didn't even know I had.

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

My parents got divorced when I was 10. Dad cheated. To this day my 74 year old mother still insists she did absolutely nothing to make it happen. I know my mother, I know her arrogance. I know exactly what she did, but she will never admit it. You have to remember. 2 people involved, 2 people responsible. The harshness consequences of behavior do not dictate who the real victim is.

[@andrehines]

divorced mothers and widows are NOT considered single mothers in the manosphere community. Singles mothers refers to mostly baby mamas who have children out of wedlock.

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

@@andrehines divorced mothers are the same category. They are infact the epitome of it, when they eject for the cash and prizes.

[@III1l]

@@andrehines weird they call them kids of single mothers, and not kids of absent fathers. So convenient to blame women for everything as if they get preggo by flower pollen.

[@pecoguy]

You are talking about the righteous single mother of the past. THE PAST IS NOT THE PRESENT REALITY. PAST "MOST SINGLE MOTHERS" =/= PRESENT "MOST SINGLE MOTHERS" Now, most women don't leave because of "bad mens", but just because of "not good enough men". And if they are not good enough, while they never get a better man after that ? Any woman leaving her "not good enough" man but finding no better men, only have one person to blame : herself, not men. You tried to get better than you deserve, at the cost of destroying your famility. Shame on you. Women of the past >> women of the present. With feminism, ungrattefullness is not diseapering, it's just changed side. "Most present women = most past men" is what modern feminism is pushing for. Why MOST (not all) single mothers are bad according to manosphere ? If you choose a man serious enough to having kids with you, why cant' you keep long enough for your kids to even get more than 2 years old, what the fuck are you doing ? Men need to wait a women to choose them, and even if they go seriously about it, they get thrown out because the princes want to try again to get her prince after getting her kids. "First marriage for kids and money, and then go back to the street to try again to get my prince". Once a woman get too entitled and try to get better than she what she deserve, she call out men to take HER responsability to leave the "boring" relationship. What single mothers does often, is living with a man, while he can't tell anything to her kids or ask anything from her, meaning they share a house and life, but only according to her own rules. That's not being equal at all. Whatever is the behavior of the kids, the women will put the rebellious toxic kids on a piedestal while the men need to be hers kids servant. How can you defend that kind of Single-mother behavior ? I am just curious. In your mother age, where could you find bunch of single mother with 1-2 years kid ? Only widow or some unluncky women could be like that. Now, women like that are the norm. Entitlement is key here. Ordinary men and ordinary life isn't enough for ordinary women. 80% of women, fighting for 20 to 5% of the top men in online dating. Majority of women (don't remember the numbers this time) on tinder ARE NOT SINGLE. Tell me how those bunch of single mothers appearing from nowhere have nothing to do with this, all telling "my man is boring" (= not good enough for me). Now, women are saying in the feminosphere "First mariage is for money, second is for love". How can women say that without any shame in feminosphere, but women keep defending them ? Unbelievable. Most break-up are done by women, they decide they deserve better while the father get thrown out while they keep the house, money, and kids. Kids are called "burden" during relationship, while single mothers say "they are my world". Kids are only called burden by women when they share them, to get slave-pity, but as soon they break-up they become "their world" to get courage-praise. That's how work modern womens : change everyone world view as long it suits your need. Call kids burden to blame men, then call them their world to get praised (and justify that mens accept being less important than everyone else, even the dog/cat). How many women just want to get "a better man and dad", when herself and her kids already have one ? "I am bored, let's throw him out and take all his money, it's time to find real love!". Don't compare them to your mother. Put her in history books and teach modern women what a real hero is : your mother-like, not them-like. The pride of martyr, is the pride to fight against suffering like your mother, not the pride to suffer because you screw your life but at least people won't blame you for destroying your family and mental health of your kids, because you don't care about anything except yourself and "your feelings". When a modern feminist talk about feelings, it means she stop caring about reality. Stop saying modern women are as glorious as past women, when they are just the most entitled ever. If a man have a bad life, is fault. If a woman has a bad life, his fault not her ! Women say "i need no men", their hapiness is the result of only their own work, but they get a man it's his fault if anything goes wrong in her life. Entitlement is real. But most feminists and single mother of today, are "garbage" (= self-entitled person, choosing random dude as dad of their kids, or leaving for selfish reason with zero tough about their kids outside of herself). Take a man, get YOUR kids (your kids only have one parent at birth), throw out the man and try to level-up your man while enjoying your ex money without asking why men should all be happy to raise other mens kids while being put last.

[@aliciaford5470]

Men blame women for hypergamy but my FATHER is furious that i married down. My mother NEVER mentioned marrying for status or money, so WHO is pushing that narrative?

[@JuliAuditore]

Women

[@AlyaaAbraham]

Ofc its them my ex bf was broke and i didnt give a f

[@HardReadSerRose]

Your dad?

[@WizzdummHeadley]

@@AlyaaAbraham 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DimitriTheBarbarian]

You didn’t marry down. You married poor but handsome Alpha-Chad instead of marrying Beta-provider. Your mother approves

[@klc517]

As a black woman who somehow got sucked into the alt-right rabbit hole in middle school, I'm just now realizing how damaging it was several years later. I had no concept of my own bodily autonomy and often put my partners' wants above my boundaries because I felt lucky to be desired.

[@DerAua]

They only teach us to have an abusive relationship. As a man I learned that only when I learned about my fathers psychopathy that I understood this had prepared me to consider this to be normal. Thank God other ways to live are possible.

[@NutyRiver]

I did my own stint in middle school in the skeptic community (many of whom eventually moved towards alt right in the coming years) and while sometimes I wonder how I could’ve been so stupid to internalize so many awful things, I think it gave me something really valuable: first-hand knowledge about how these people think. And I think in your situation that’s true too.

[@edsheeranahmet6572]

The rabbit hole sucked a lot of us in, regardless of race. Hell, some are still stuck despite being minorities. I just wish some people would realize and differentiate between the memes and the shitty disgusting takes and ideologies fed to us then. Glad you're out of it now, I think as people grow up they realize how much they've been sucked in, and are waking up.

[@IfhesK]

That's horrible. I hope you can find space and fortitude to work on your own wellbeing and overcome those shitty ideas these men doesn't even remotely know they caused.

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

We all did

[@sothisisbasicallyhow4696]

In fairness, surrounding myself with hard men has generally lead to good times

💀

[@sothisisbasicallyhow4696]

@ OMG HII GIRL HIII I’m so parasocial

[@cryptic_daemon_]

As a guy, im jelly

[@wtfistonicwater1120]

@@sothisisbasicallyhow4696 appropriate response

[@franciscopereira5760]

most sane comment that isnt sexist towards men

[@KTheStruggler]

I'm a guy and it took me 6 or 7 years to realize I had been raped. At that point I was so removed from it I'd have no idea how to report it if I wanted to or if I'd even be able.

[@jpocallens6776]

Then it wasn’t actually rape. Unless you’re a child or mentally disabled, you will know if you’ve been raped.

[@ScorpionClaws789]

​@@jpocallens6776You have been failed by the education system.

[@grant0012]

@@jpocallens6776 victims could be in Denial That's a real thing that happens I'm sorry for that awful experience kirsbluefield i hope u can recover

[@ThePhrog714]

⁠@@jpocallens6776excuse me? you don’t know the details of his life and what happened to him, you don’t have the right to tell him that.

[@MuseSunflower]

I’m sorry you went through that! ❤

[@dontworryaboutit3471]

I've decided that every time someone mentions alpha males to me I'm just gonna go "oh are we roleplaying the omegaverse now? Awesome, I wanna be a beta"

[@cringeworthy6512]

Yeeessss

[@floatingpointz5903]

Or, after the "alpha wolf" research was revised, "so you're a pregnant canine?"

[@emdivine]

@@floatingpointz5903 Hell yeah hit them with the original Mech thesis counter

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@floatingpointz5903 Even the original researcher abandoned the idea pretty quickly, and has spent most of the rest of his life trying to debunk the idiots.

[@Youtubin101]

Hit em with " Id rather be a sigma anyway" make something they think is below them become superior.

[@playin4power]

Every part of this video is getting more embarrasing then the last. Munecat, you are a champion for suffering through all this for us

[@DriscolDevil]

The big figures are scumbags mostly, irredeemable, but they are brainwashing a massive group of isolated emotionally vulnerable boys. Sure there are grown men in that stuff, but read the comments on those types of channels and you start to see the trend. Isolating members from the outside using paranoia, hate, and unique acronyms and words that most don't know, all common tactics for cults.

[@tumericvalley6749]

pa!

[@hareemqureshi822]

@@tumericvalley6749 this

[@NoTalentHackJob]

Facts, facts.

[@franciscopereira5760]

i feel bad for these blue pill comunity seriusly, the later u f ind out about true women nature, the less time u have to change ur self

[@CoconutRouter]

Bro as a straight black man, i feel such a visceral hatred towards Fresh and Fit cuz i used to work with guys 10 years older than me that used to spew that same shit at me and called me strange for thinking it was bullshit. Every conversation would delve into talking about some Crypto bullshit or some probably fake story about how many women they've slept with. It got so bad niggas would try to give me unsolicited dating advice to try and "help" me and i just had to awkwardly laugh it off.

[@treacherousjslither6920]

You really sat there and typed out the n word? Smh

[@kofi6239]

@@treacherousjslither6920 ??tf up nicca

[@treacherousjslither6920]

@@kofi6239 More ignorance. Sad smh

[@kofi6239]

@@treacherousjslither6920 y is it ignorant?

[@treacherousjslither6920]

@@kofi6239 It's the perpetuation of a racial slur and you're using it against your own people. It doesn't make any sense. Why say it? You think it's cool to say the n word or something?

[@SnakeMan448]

Damn. I knew that that podcast where it's just men screaming abuse at women was messed up, but the off camera set up of confiscating their phones and getting them drunk is just evil.

[@KaritKtana]

Seriously. They need to be investigated.

[@ezachleewright2309]

Yeah, can't look up proof to debunk their bullshit if you don't have a cellphone

[@Scooter_Alice]

​@@KaritKtanaunironically a non-zero chance that some of those women have been taken advantage of by the hosts or guests, wouldn't be surprised with how vile those guys are

[@michaelhaydenbell]

@@Scooter_Alice Well no shit, ya think? I'm sure some vile stuff has happened in that building.

[@ZeyTheDaemon]

I knew their podcast was awful, but I didn't know about them taking women's phones and then having them get drunk so they can barely argue against them. If you have to get someone drunk to beat them in an argument, then you've already lost. And the nerve to charge hundreds of dollars FOR A PHONE CALL ABOUT ADVICE YOU COULD GET LITERALLY FOR FREE ANYWHERE ELSE. Just preying on insecure young men and it's fucked up.

[@kittykatqwe1467]

I used to use tinder. I once swiped right on a guy I thought was cute and he instantly started insulting my looks, weight, and other shit I just ignored him and blocked him. That was one of many bad experiences I’ve had with men.

[@kittykatqwe1467]

@@novinceinhosic3531 I was using tinder as a hookup app so most insults related to my body, like insulting scars on my body from past self harm and biking incidents. However I have also gotten insults on my hobbies, degree and career choice (cybersecurity and criminal justice), my fashion, everything. I’ve gotten similar comments from women too (tinder and friends) but I’ve had more men say it, women seem to not match with me on tinder lol.

[@fawnieee]

​@@novinceinhosic3531 asking a woman that is a silly thing. Every woman has had so many bad experiences with men that it would be a book before we finally jotted them all down.

[@katlablessed]

@@novinceinhosic3531maybe men should stop being assholes to women. This sounds like a more plausible option to me tbh

[@katlablessed]

@@novinceinhosic3531 I am literally referring to the original comment. Use your brain, stop asking stupid questions, stop trying to gather attention by asking stupid questions.

[@brytankak9598]

​Well imagine yourself in the shoes of the woman and how'd you like to be treated. Would you like others to laugh at you, point out your weight etc?! Or be kind? @novinceinhosic3531

[@kylegonewild]

"Hello, woman here." I didn't think this channel would stoop to jump scares but here we are!

[@Jim-yl6tf]

Wait until women get moved to the front lines in the coming world conflict. Her videos will be even funnier 😆

[@theodorebear6714]

Ya but I was spooked 👻

[@stanislavkraus6933]

Quick to the base-cave.

[@Blattie]

That was 200% for real.

[@adammarshall6257]

Apparently she's right because she got you here commenting.

[@LinksBetweenDrinks]

Well, fellas. If you're ever feeling down on yourself, lacking in confidence, or even feeling hopelessness, just remember one thing: at least you're not these guys.

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

Great, that will really help me in my lifetime of loneliness in a miserable collapsing society where women get a leg up and I get nothing.

[@sgilmour47]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatyou won't have a lifetime of loneliness. You need to find hobbies and interests and socialise, you will meet someone that way. What do you like doing? Even gaming, girls game, or you can go to physical board games places! Don't make your happiness revolve around meeting someone, find things you love and go OUT and do them.

[@sgilmour47]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatalso trust me if you were a woman you would want to be a man. Women have to give birth, have periods, work AND do 90% of raising a child and cleaning the home. We also have a shelf life in terms of attractiveness when men do not. Oh and we DO get Rd, it's just not how you think. I was Rd by a colleague who plied me with alcohol when I was 23 and when I passed out Rd me. I left my job as I blamed myself at the time.

[@sgilmour47]

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatugh it didn't post my original comment. I was saying, you won't be lonely forever. My biggest tip is broaden your hobbies and find out what you love and go OUT and do it. DATING APPS ARE BAD NEWS. If you go out and meet people who do what you love you will have stuff in common, develop good social skills and be appealing because a person who is comfortable and has built a life they like they are appealing. People want to be part of someone's world that way.

[@sgilmour47]

I took up indoor climbing and I love it! I met my partner through friends! This is the best way. Please don't think all women are horrible, the loud ones who have horrible opinions get ENGAGEMENT online and so you see them.

[@imsmolandangery4274]

Interesting point about victims of sa not identifying as such and how that affects the data. Just the other day a friend of mine said he wasn't sure if it counted as sexual assault and then described an almost textbook sa that happened to him as a child

[@RoseEyed]

When she explained that I cringed. I've had similar situations with male and female friends. I've also taken stats and work in health equity. The fact researches didn't realize likely traumatized people in denial would probably say no if they were flat out asked if they'd been SA after a barrage of other unrelated questions is sad. You can't use a sledge hammer for a sensitive topic and expect people to be honest, even if it's anonymous.

[@littleshrimping6872]

@@RoseEyed what was the reason for cringing???

[@RoseEyed]

@@littleshrimping6872 that the researchers would put in that much effort just to make a basic mistake like that

[@vicmorgana5516]

@@RoseEyed Unfortunately that's just an inherent issue with using self-reporting methods of research. You can anonymize everything and encourage honesty by reassuring them that personal information won't be publicized or by phrasing questions in non-invasive ways, but it's never possible to ensure complete honesty from every participant. Self-report measures and methods will always be flawed in that way.

[@cheyemily6066]

Yes this is SO COMMON for men. It breaks my heart.

[@matthewhardesty6872]

As my greatest role model in the domestic violence reform -sphere, Laura Richards, says "Men are scared of getting their ego hurt, women are scared of being killed". Another hot take: dating apps are there to make money for the owners, not find meaningful life-partners.

[@GreenBlindness]

As someone who used to watch feminist owned by facts and logic! videos in my mid teens. I'm so glad I matured and moved away from them as I went to university. It's so much darker and more sinister than I had any idea of at the time. Great video

[@albertoandrade9807]

God bless you. You're seeing what happens if you stay there

[@JP-br4mx]

Did you ever think about men talking like that talking about your sister's mother and nieces

[@carasafaa]

U rock 🤘🏻

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

Any kind of "X owns Y" videos are painful to me and should be avoided, even those that support your POV. They almost always consist of one person who's done a whole lot of rehearsal and prep work blindsiding another person who's totally unprepared in a spontaneous encounter, and proceeding to dominate them by barraging them with stats and controversial statements, talking over them, cutting them off and motoring through talking points. Almost anybody caught in that situation is going to look or say something stupid, incoherent or ignorant. And often what happens is if the confronted person even hints at saying something that really does knock a chink in the presenter's argument, you can see the mask slip, the presenter gets stressed and the cutting off, talking over etc increases. In well-edited videos you rarely get the chance to see moments like that; they more often appear in things like long-form podcasts, but even then only if the host is honest enough to upload the whole exchange and not cut out the parts they disagree with. Point being you're never going to see any honesty in these vids and you'll rarely learn anything. Watching ownage just satisfies that part of the brain that likes to know it's right and is happy to see the other side kicked into the dirt. It would be better if everyone watched well-considered, long-form debates where all parties came prepared, armed with all the research and didn't just jump each other with aggression, but no video titled "Feminist civilly debates anti-feminist for three hours, disagree on some things but agree on others, concede to each other's points sometimes and end up with more knowledge and a generally respectful understanding for each other's POV" is going to get many views.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

“As I went to university” is huge, and a real reason why the misogynistic (who happen to be mostly right-wingers for some crazy reason. Gosh, I have no idea why/s) are against college, claiming it brainwashes young people… lol. University opens the door of insight, which is pretty dangerous for them. Glad you escaped

[@xaviermarican4557]

19:50 “You’re gonna respect me” “You’re gonna respect me back” “No” Summation of all of the manosphere

[@XeLYoutube]

summation of modern feminist double standard i agree "im princess do everythign for me die at work while i objectifie men as disposable wallet" agree, we asked to respect while being disrespected then wonder where aree all the good men avoiding expensive superficial misery and lies but women are lucky,. more 0.0001% men for them while 99.999% avoid the payment and drama where are all the good men; busy being wanted by 5 billion princess and queen

[@xaviermarican4557]

@@XeLKZbin L + get therapy

[@matt7144]

⁠@@XeLKZbinbro pulled statistics out of their ass

[@s.k.1082]

@@XeLKZbin Citation sorely needed.

[@DarksideGmss0513]

​@@XeLKZbin Source: Trust Me Bro

[@supgin1616]

That part with Kevin Samuels had me dumbfounded. “Mathematically less beautiful” this is literally some kind of neo-eugenics that the nazis would’ve loved

[@ethanglasgow7612]

During the rise of gamer gate I fell into a lot of the “anti-SJW” crowd (especially with my nerdy, white guy friend group) and this shit was always an “unspoken truth” about women in the community. Feminism is bad because it denies the “natural order” of gender, real men need financial success, women are happiest in traditional roles… it’s really not hard to see how these “self-evident” things can push normal, insecure teens into believing these huge conspiracies (massive amounts of media pushing it doesn’t help) It’s kinda shocking how low the age range is when talking about this shit (like 12-17). These guys haven’t even gotten a chance to grow up and they’re already dragged into hopelessness through this bizarre pipeline

[@fawnieee]

What's hilarious is that in hunger gatherer communities, research shows that women were hunting almost as much as men. Both opportunitisxlt as well as actively. And 80% of food came from gathering, meat was a rarity which is why dogs became omnivores because meat wasn't always available. (Also fun fact! It's been recently found that it was thanks to women dogs were domesticated! As men only treated them as livestock to help with hunting, but women treated them as trusted companions and as part of the family. So much so they would even feed abandoned pups with their own body if said woman has a baby herself ! Very cool!) And the defining role they talk about is that women stay home and men work only really existed in the 50s, for most of history women have always worked even if they were never paid for it. They have always been a part of the work force. I have no idea why the manosphere insists on the 50s ideal because not only were women having to use drugs (mummy's little helper) to keep up with the workload of constantly popping out babies and also treating her husband as if he were a child. There's a reason this dynamic didn't last long. And why single and childless women are the happiest demographic of all people. Men have only ever benefited marriage. It was guaranteed they were allowed to reproduce because women didn't get to choose who they were with and it also meant that men got a free mummy bangmaid that had to obey him no matter what. It was created to benefit men and that still rings extremely true today. Even if a woman outearns her husband, he will still expect her to maintain all the responsibilities and child rearing as a stay at home mother. Which is why studies show that when a woman gets married, her leisure time is drastically decreased or gone entirely while mens only increases because she's now taking care of things he did when he was alone. There's a reason why the happiest demographic of men are married, but the most miserable are married women and single men.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

Glad you got out.

[@F3XT]

one thing that concerns me greatly is how deep this kind of content is shown and targeted for children, it's not so evident like globally but in Brazil where I live most memes and cultural things on the internet for kids between like 8-14 I would say are Manosphere adjacent, I see the way my younger cousins act and it's just horrendous to see

[@ciri151]

I was in the same boat. I'm so glad I distanced myself from that and started thinking for myself.

[@DimitriTheBarbarian]

@@ciri151 as long as you didn’t just switch from listening to 1) manosphere to listening to 2) feminist bs. Critical thinking is much better

[@BlackeyTheDog]

Hey, Munecat. I've been watching your videos for a while. I have to say you really outdid yourself with this one. I have a bachelor's and a Master's degree in public policy, and I work in public service programs for the economically disadvantaged. This video really hit home for me. I was raised by an amazing single mom, even though we grew up really poor. The manosphere puts down men who actually care about serious men's issues like mass incarceration (war on drugs) or the male suicide rate. What's worse is that they do their very best to ridicule you(call you a beta male) if you care about women's rights issues like abortion. I've kind of been in a bad place mentally for the past two years and it's easy to see how these con artists take advantage of people when they are vulnerable. I almost got sucked down the toxic rabbit hole myself. Thank you for all that you do, and keep up the good work, please. You are doing an amazing job.

[@NickJaime]

Lol no that's false.

[@piccalillipit9211]

The most manly man I know fixes downed powerlines - so he is usually working nights in storms on remote hillsides on live high voltage lines. He is 6'5" and looks like a Viking. He also sits and plays with the kittens outside the apartment block, he fetches the shopping for old ladies, he holds the door open for anyone and everyone.

[@TheOrignalTRockz]

You’re on the right track, don’t let this as*holes bring you down. Respectful behavior is key, and this insecure little boys try to convince anyone that they can demand something they are not willing to provide themselves. Women bring new life into this world, and even if not, they all take care and nurture the souls around them, they trust and support people - they should experience that it’s appreciated, that their trust is justified and that men take care of them, too. In the best ways possible.

[@SQUELCH-zj7il]

They always bring that up the suicide rate stat but ignore the fact the rate of attempted suicide in women is higher. They don't care about that tho, they just want a "gotcha" moment.

[@NickJaime]

@@SQUELCH-zj7il lol what are you talking about? Okay, yet men are the ones who are mostly homeless. But you want to do what those women do which is competing on who has it worse. The modern world was built on men's health and lives. So it would lean towards men.

[@FruityHachi]

"look for girls that have qualities that make them coachable" is why they promote the idea of dating 18-25 year old women, because they are more coachable than late 20s and 30s year olds

[@FruityHachi]

@@elitecoder955 you're just admitting your own shortcomings that you only care about looks because you aren't able to hold an intelligent conversation

[@FruityHachi]

@@elitecoder955 way to divert the attention away from your own shortcomings

[@benjaamin]

​@@elitecoder955 Ranjeet mate you'll never be a Brahman, stick to making naan and fixing the WiFi

[@elitecoder955]

@@benjaamin ok incel

[@benjaamin]

@@elitecoder955 Good morning ser, the printer is broken also, is it you or Rakesh that fixes it? Do the needful.

[@TheZatzman]

"A simple enemy is always more enticing than the complex and nuanced issues of late stage capitalism and the social stigmas of male mental health" munecat spittin'. This video is great!

[@MeesyIce]

Not really she’s just trying to take young vulnerable people people from one extremely harmful ideology(Incel - Redpill) to another extremely harmful ideology(Marxism). Late stage capitalism isn’t a thing marxists have been saying this since Marxism was invented and yet life under capitalism liberal democracy keeps getting better for everyone and not 1 non-capitalist country has ever managed to be a desirable place to live.

[@user-gf6xb1xl8g]

Love that point, it illustrates how quickly misogyny and fascism rise

[@sciencyazn1509]

Love your videos man, really engaging and fun and educational, in both general knowledge and life. Thanks for making 'em!! Good to see you here 👍👍

[@dobermanownerforlife3902]

We're not in late stage capitalism. We are in late stage corruption. The corrupt government is spending 102% GDP. The only thing to come is inflation. The root cause for this is the central bank system which picks winners and losers. A central bank working with government and corporations is fascism, not capitalism. If it's too big to fail, it's too big to exist in my book.

[@user-gf6xb1xl8g]

@@dobermanownerforlife3902 Fascism is capitalism in decay - Vladimir Lenin

[@jonathonrobinson6081]

How do these men not understand that single mother households entail that the father is a deadbeat dad?

[@vicu_negru]

weeeeelllllllllllllllll, be careful when generalizing... here is a hypothetical: Man is in a relationship with woman. woman gets pregnant (by accident or her intention it is irrelevant), woman wants to keep baby, man doesn`t. why should the man be obligated to sustain the kid? when he didn`t want that kid in the first place? please do note that i am 100000000% for the right to choose, but that right must be on both sides. the woman has the right to opt out of having the kid, but the dad doesn`t. the only viable way i can see this is for him to have the one-time option to acknowledge the kid, or not. in the case of not, he is to not have any contact or relation with that kid. what are your thoughts on this?

[@jonathonrobinson6081]

@@vicu_negru He knows what is at risk every time he has sex. If he chooses to do something that has an unintended consequence then he still has to face that consequence. And since he is just as much at fault for the pregnancy as her, then the consequence should be shared. Imagine he got an STD instead of getting her pregnant. Just because he didn't intend to get the STD doesn't mean he should ignore it.

[@vicu_negru]

@@jonathonrobinson6081 does Woman have the option to opt out of having the kid? Simple yes or no question. Ps: I totally disregard your example with the std, because it does not equate, for the same thing...

[@jonathonrobinson6081]

@@vicu_negru Yes because it's her body. There are still consequences to an abortion, so don't pretend as if it's an easy "get out of being pregnant" card. Just because a woman can opt out doesn't mean a man should be able to as well - unless you think the opposite is true, that a man can force a woman to remain pregnant because he wants to be a dad and is willing to be it's sole financial provider etc. even if she wants an abortion is fair?

[@vicu_negru]

@@jonathonrobinson6081 so, what you are saying is that even though it is a consensual act, the woman gets to choose everything... see here we have a problem, the dude has no choice, and the woman is the one who has all the choice. so what i am saying is this: yes! The dudette should have a choice whether to become a mother or not, her body her choice. and yes! The dude should have a choice whether he wants to be a dad or not if the dudette decides to keep the kid. as it stands if the dudette decides to keep the kid, the dude is FORCED to be a father, at least financially. and that is unfair, and it is inequality. look, you want to keep the baby? cool! no problem! can you provide for that baby if the man doesn`t want the baby? yes or no! don`t force someone into having a baby as long as you want that baby.

[@Baphomets_Kid]

“BuzzFeed, you owe feminism reparations”, I literally laughed so hard milk came out of my nose and I choked a little.

[@bazdotorg]

are you okay?

[@justinwatson1510]

It’s been 18 hours, I’m sure they’re fine by now.

[@ker1SHxD]

@@justinwatson1510 or dead

[@Baphomets_Kid]

@@bazdotorg I survived, barely.

[@hanna.ciszewska]

bet it was soy milk

[@LawrenceMiles1972]

Yeah, it should be "bears to honey", not "bees to honey". Although attracting bears is a very different skill-set.

[@scottvelez3154]

Attracting bears is easy, it just won't be the sort of attention you want.

[@atticstattic]

Arming bears again, are we?

[@tomthomassony8607]

British people say bees to honey.

[@vetreas366]

@@scottvelez3154 I beg to differ. Have you ever drawn a bear to you by caking yourself whole in honey? The bear is attracted to such a degree that it will mount you, tear off your clothes, lick the honey off in the most gentle manner imaginable while pinning you to the ground with its big, virile claws and then tear off your face at the climax. Really hard to get more erotic than that! Men love getting their faces torn off! Scars are manly so have a scar for a face means you become the most manly!

[@basil3663]

@@tomthomassony8607 british bees must b strange creatures

[@gardenboydon]

As a man, I almost got sucked into the "manosphere" red pill nonsense. The red pill gurus appeal to your self confidence issues, even further your insecurities to sell books and materials. Fantastic video

[@Taeodoestech]

I, too, was knee deep in mgtow rhetoric. It’s a grift that preys on vulnerable men with trauma, unfortunately

[@gardenboydon]

@@Taeodoestech the irony is that they think they are trying to build up men by tearing them down. It's horrible

[@Setixir]

@@gardenboydon I don't think they're trying to build up a damn thing but their own bank accounts. Some of them definitely know they're talking a bunch of horse shit but their bank account doesn't care.

[@blazzuris7219]

I remember when I was kinda into that shit when I was younger makes me cringe watching this now cause I know now how right Munecat is lmao

[@Tetragrammaton22]

Just become a communist instead. That's what I did. I'm still depressed but at least I'm not a misogynist douche bag.

[@funkndonut]

my wife and i were set up by friends and did a blind first date. the stories she told me about dating apps were horrific. the way dudes on those apps behave is beyond mind-boggling.

[@painunending4610]

Same for women. Dating apps suck for both sides

[@DreamerofStars-hu9yt]

Dating apps are why so many people have sworn off dating. So much ICK!

[@fordshojoe8080]

It's literally no different for men the way women act entitled on there is insane.

[@tgd02]

Oh please 🙄

[@fawnieee]

​@@painunending4610 Men get upset at women for what women won't do for them. Women get upset at men for what men do to them. There's a difference.

[@TehTechnoMiser]

I'm a dude with self-worth issues, but I can safely say that watching this video makes me feel a lot better about myself, personally. Jesus Christ.

[@Ddx629]

If this video makes you "feel" better, you've got deeper issues that you haven't addressed

[@miriahaustin5809]

​@Ddx445 if he can say he has self-worth issues I think he is, or will address it

[@miriahaustin5809]

I'm a lady with self worth issues so I can relate. Seeing some of this toxic behavior in this video reminded me of my exes and it makes me feel better that I'm 31 and single and didn't stay with them... because who needs that sh!t! I made the best choice 🤷‍♀️ lol men like that are the weakest and it shows

[@karenrobertsdottir4101]

Self-worth issues hit all humans, regardless of what genitals they happened to be born with. It can be a vicious cycle for many, though, as worse self-esteem leads people to be desperate, and desperation is generally unattractive (again, regardless of what gender one is). Flip 22 coins (each representing a person) five times each, where heads is "success" in some thing (such as dating). Odds are, one of those 22 coins will come up tails every single time, while one will come up heads every single time. And that's for 50-50 odds! For 1 in 10 odds, in a group of 20 individuals, you could "flip" *32 times in a row* , and odds are better than not that one of those 20 will strike out *every time in a row* . That's just the nature of random events - some people can just be unlucky, and that sucks. But the two things that one can do is, (A) increase the odds, and (B) increase the number of "coin flips". With (B), that just means get out and meet more people. In the sort of context that increase the odds of meeting the sort of people you're likely to match well with. With regards to (A), that's situation-dependent, but the absolute worst thing you can do is be perceived as someone who thinks of women as "females", as some other species, for which one is supposed to play some "game" learned online to manipulate them into dating you. Everyone is a human. Different people have different things that they're attracted to - which are correlated with, but not at all completely defined by gender - but just treat people as people, enter situations where you'll meet lots of people, and things will work out fine for you. Because however poorly you may think of yourself, I guarantee you, there are lots of people out there who, getting to know you, will strongly disagree with you in this regard. As anyone who's ever been in a relationship with someone who had a poor self image (a VERY common thing) can attest. Look inside yourself. Are you a good person, or at least try to be one? Then there's no problem, and you're going to be just fine. :) Take care, Miser :)

[@Ddx629]

@@miriahaustin5809 What are you defining as "toxic"? What are you defining as "weak"? Because nowadays, some women define toxic in a way where their boyfriend is not cool with them having male "friends"?

[@1993TheDuke]

Imagine blaming the parent that STAYED for raising "the worst kids ever." What a bunch of hate filled monsters.

[@P4ndaBear]

Funny you say that. Since women are 3/4ths of the ones initiating the filing of divorce and then have overwhelming advantage in family court and not only that but a financial incentive and a living weapon to use against the man they divorce by withholding visitation or denying it. I was raised by a single mother who voluntarily left her marriage even though by her own admission my father never laid a hand on her and was providing. Her excuse was she was "emotionally unsatisfied". Fuck the kid who now has to grow up and reap the consequences, right? Nothing about the rest of the story turned out "good". By sheer luck of genetics/environment/resilience I didn't turn out to be something worse.

[@YoutubeStyleChannel]

Hey brother, I didn't really see anyone blaming single parents, rather pointing out the statistical fact that single parent homes raise the highest percentage of criminal youth. A second parent in the home is the biggest statistical marker for a Childs success.

[@salasyk8708]

A good example of a white person not wanting to take responsibility 🤡

[@ameerhamid89]

​@@KZbinStyleChannel The people featured in that part of the video from 1:00:02 onwards clearly blame single mothers for their childrens issues, while absolving the missing parent (father) of any and all blame. They're not blaming single parents, they're specifically blaming single mothers.

[@lemsip207]

@@KZbinStyleChannel They also think single fathers do a better job of raising children than single mothers. But children brought up in a home of strife with two parents constantly fighting don't do well at all which is why so many parents get divorced. What about families where one parent had died and the other parent still living? That was very common at one time in the 19th century and early to mid 20th century because of men being killed in wars and women dying in childbirth. If it was the father who survived and he was earning a lot of money he could hire a nanny to look after the children but many widowed parents struggled on alone. Nobody went on about how those families were dysfunctional and their children would turn to crime. If anything it was poverty that had a direct causation with crime.

[@ratslayer4202]

I was an incel until about the age of 25, after which I started hanging out with women... I found female friends, spent a lot of time talking to female colleagues and suddenly I didn't feel like I "needed" a woman anymore. Then I met a girl and had a passionate but toxic relationship for two years. I've been single and celibate for two years since then but honestly I prefer it that way. I know someone will eventually come along who'll love me for who I am rather than the person my ex tried to force me to be. I'm autistic and used to be very, very socially awkward. If someone like me can pull through, I think anyone can. Never give up.

[@Nassifeh]

The older I get, the more this fantasy of dating or sex just seems exhausting, especially if you're autistic. I can have a whole day ruined by a pair of uncomfortable shoes! I don't need to spend my life figuring out if I'm acting exactly the right way to hold the interest of a hypothetical hot girl.

[@terrystevens3998]

the weird part about all of this is that many of the men that have fallen into the manisphere are actually perfectly dateable but like the misogyny the videos offer.. there are many happily married men watching this shit and they just see their wives as “one of the good ones” and still hate on the feminist leftist women that complain and want rights and equality.

[@ratslayer4202]

@@Nassifeh For me there are no "hypothetical" hot girls anymore, I try not to waste my energy on fantasies and improving my outward image. Instead, I've worked hard on things like appropriate eye contact and studying body language. Anything that improves your social skills as whole will also help with dating.

[@Nassifeh]

​@@ratslayer4202 Oh, communication and so on is absolutely vital, I guess my bigger point is just that if you're (generic you) "weird", you can spin your wheels forever trying to be this kind of guy and hating it, or you can just go be weird and learn how to fit in with other weird people and it goes better. I'm in a very happy relationship now, but I wish I'd figured that all out before my late 30s. I think you personally are on the right track and you'll do fine!

[@SageApocolypse]

Hell yeah ratslayer 420, slayed the rat inside

[@bigbadgerboogie9132]

Jordan Peterson: 10th Rule for Life 'Be precise in your speech' Also Jordan Peterson: I'm an Evolutionary Psychologist Also, Also Jordan Peterson: Has no formal education in Evolutionary Psychology...

[@c0nd0rd4myt]

Also Also Jodran Peterson: I need 45 minutes to answer a yes/no question....

[@jeremy49988]

I can't stand Jordan Peterson....evolutionary psychology is a pseudo-science anyway.

[@floatingpointz5903]

Isn't he also an evangelical Christian? Wouldn't expect a lot of things to go together, but what do i know.....

[@c0nd0rd4myt]

@@floatingpointz5903 that's hard to pin down, as he's tried hard to keep that line blurry. When asked "do you believe in the literal reincarnation of Jesus Christ as written in the Bible?", Jordan Peterson's response was "well, it'll take 45 minutes to answer that question..."

[@barry963]

Yes but that does not undo that he is precise with his language. Even if he takes 10 hours, that's fine so long as he is precise.@@c0nd0rd4myt

[@paisleydorai-raj7494]

the bit about bodily fluids was so insane to me, because in the movie dr strangelove there's a character whose entire bit throughout the movie is his love of precious bodily fluids. it was completely satire there but it's baffling that there are people who really have those beliefs

[@TheSpoonman00]

That's why Dr. Strangelove is such a fantastic movie. Good satire is always rooted in some form of reality.

[@SorowFame]

@XvonPocalypsepretty sure it’s found in toothpaste

[@JoshSweetvale]

​​@XvonPocalypseIt's antibacterial. "Vaccines have mercury" No.

[@HenderHibiscus]

I think Xvonapocalypse was quoting the movie. At least I hope he was. That is the actual reason for nuclear Armageddon in the movie though. One crazy nut job who thinks fluoride made him invirile.

[@briancrawford8751]

@XvonPocalypse I can't tell if you're insane or if you're joking.

[@scarletshadedblack6502]

I love when they reference animal behaviour to try and support their alpha male man theories. I took an advanced animal intelligence course last year as part of my animal biology degree, and one of the studies we analyzed was looking into the behaviours of feral dog packs. The findings were that females did tend to pick stronger, higher ranking males as mates, but if the male was aggressive or pushy, he would become the least popular option regardless of rank. Funny how that works, aye? 😊

[@droc5427]

I'm shocked this comment has been up for over a week without hundred of angry incels trying to convince you, the one with the education on this, that comparing an entirely separate species behavior to us is completely rational and totally applies to human behavior

[@inrisalvatore9520]

@@droc5427 off course it applies to human behaviour, even because all species in this planet share a common ancestral, therefore there is no such a thing as "entire separeted species". By looking at mammals, there are even more traits in common with us because,guess what, we are mammals and we have traits in common with other mammals. If we look at the primates we can see even more similarities with us because the primates are even more close to us compared to other mammals. This is how the biology and evolution works. There are many branches in biology and they all use other animals to compare with humans, for instance: when you want to test a drug you first use rats because they are similar to us.

[@droc5427]

@@inrisalvatore9520 People who have an actual education on this say that's not how it works. Also while similar it isn't exact and there's a reason why there's a human testing phase of things. The fact that you used the lab rat example of all things just tells me you don't have anything beyond a highschool understanding of this. An entirely separate species behavior isn't an indicator of human behavior. Stop trying to make it seem like that's how it works

[@Ddx629]

You contradicted yourself without even realizing. So you agree that the female animal is most likely to go for the higher ranking males, but would lose said ranking if he was aggressive? That makes no sense. Because aggression is a masculine trait that indicates dominance, which is what decides a male animal's level on the social hierarchy.

[@scarletshadedblack6502]

@@Ddx629 male aggression directed towards females is not an evolutionarily favourable trait. When we study mate selection behaviours in animals, we must remember that the females choice is completely based on the outlook for her offspring; an aggressive male will be a danger to her and her offspring, posing a threat to her ability to pass down her genes. She will not select him.

[@joshsweet7512]

3 minutes in, after dreading the terrifying title, and "Chadawan" has entered my vocabulary. Top tier work as usual.

[@mechanought3495]

I immediately ran to my wife and without context just said "Chadawan".

[@edwardsmith1768]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cizd]

I favorited it after 10 minutes. Munecat never fails to deliver.

[@danJAHrous]

Feminist bussy-ole

[@PuddiPudding]

I used to be somewhat like this. Never so blatant or aggressive but I still had the inkling. The moment I stopped seeking dates for the sake of it I suddenly found myself flush with interest. Its almost like women are people and appreciate real human connection instead of some weird fake pursuit of them??

[@painunending4610]

Weird how when others stop trying people are interested in them meanwhile I've never tried and no one's ever been interested in me

[@harsh3948]

No, it’s not because you stopped looking for dates, it’s because you stopped being a desperate tryhard. It’s a difference that most guys ignore. Persistently looking to get dates is a far better strategy either ways

[@marvin2678]

how long were you like this ?

[@PuddiPudding]

@@marvin2678 Shamefully long. Maybe 3-4 years if you include the deprograming phase

[@marvin2678]

@@PuddiPuddingdoesnt seem to work for me lol

[@nickwalker2438]

Whenever I hear someone saying they are the Alpha I chuckle. If you have to say that it automatically means your not

[@micahslash]

Alpha literally isn't a real thing anyways. That paper studying wolves was disproven by its own author.

[@randomrealistictone2231]

A real alpha doesn't use those words.😂

[@earx23]

You're. But yeah, this red pill / manosphere culture is full of bullshit bingo terms. Unfortunate, for a big part of what it says is uncomfortable, but very true. People just don't like unconfortable thruths, be it climate change, or falling birth rates (guess why).

[@catwaffles9960]

"Any man who must say, 'I am the King', is no true king." ~Tywin Lannister

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

“A man who needs to yell ‘I am the king!’ is no real king.”

[@stephanie8560]

I was actually a phone interviewer for the CDC's Intimate Partner Violence study,about 10 years ago. Training as far as how we asked the question was extensive, and calls were listened to by an expert who would take over if we messed up. We described the event EVERY SINGLE QUESTION, it was to the point of being ridiculous, but seeing this I understand why it was important to do that for every question.

[@vsmith1688]

I love that this channel is finally getting the attention it deserves. Definitely one of the most underrated KZbinrs.

[@otakarbeinhauer]

It should have the audience like hbomberguy has. It is the same topics, the same kind of comedy, the same debunking tone, the same care put into it plus music epilogues.

[@franciscopereira5760]

this is the anti red pill channel, its destined to fail because red pill is all about hard facts thats why she seems soo trigered

[@harvyt257]

For real. Never herd of this person a week ago. I think this is my 3rd video I watched. Yeah yeah her pretty hair and stuff is pretty but thats like 4 hrs in one week of her. Clearly she knows her stuff and can deliver in a way that doesn't make me want to microwave my phone.

[@harvyt257]

@@BullwinkleFFMn I thought she did buy you got to remember it's a global audience and it's the internet "marketplace of ideas" where these clowns live and poison everything. Like she said you look up basic self improvement and the damn algorithms funnel you into this outrageous bullshit.

[@patrickchiasson7081]

Book four had me on the floor

[@slurpingmario8006]

Many men ironically enough are slowly becoming more and more self destructive with this type of mentality in the first place, many of their ideas about relationships won’t help them get a good one, their ideas about money may actually get them something but they won’t even have time to enjoy the money they gain

[@SamVegeta]

those men listening to the redpill were already having no succes with women to begin with so no, its not helping them but also it does not matter, it would not work out for them either way.

[@James_36]

what advice would you give them? surely if finding this huge amount of good, loyal, honest women out there is so clear and obvious to see, why are they turning to these people in the first place? where are these amazing women for them? that are not "picky" open minded and give a reasonable guy a chance? hmmmmm

[@VijayThakurMD]

If it keep on going this may lead to increase in violence We will have to brain wash and emasculate about 30-40% of men into thinking that persuit of romantic relationship is bad and working for survival is good for them So that the top 20 % of men can have kids with most women and remaining men can help fix some broken hearth ​@@James_36

[@brianmolina2615]

​@@James_36 lemme ask you this. Has any of this manosphere advice ever been fruitful?

[@norapodlasky8278]

@@James_36 Read the bible. Go for a christian woman. Or a woman with traditional values.

[@wulfleyn6498]

I am constantly astonished by people who just won't go with the idea that people might be more depressed now because of feeling trapped in a system that continously exploits them and never gives anything back.

[@DrFeltcher]

Nah....cant be. Gotta be feminism amirite? Certainly can't be late-stage capitalism

[@ThreeBeingOne]

Perfect comment

[@franciscopereira5760]

Come to the red pill, we encourage men to work on them selfs and build them selfs, be it ur carrer or ur body

[@dieSpinnt]

You just "flipped the tire", toooooo less! Hehehehe, Wulfleyn

[@DrFeltcher]

@@franciscopereira5760 .....and also to think of yourself in terms of sexual market value while assigning yourself an arbitrary x ouf of 10 number so you become more self conscious of yourself. While hating women and seeing them as objects good only for breeding. We'll teach you how if you don't look like the stereotypical Chad then all hope is lost, and you'll fall further down the alt right pipeline. Finally culminating in an act of violence or sexual assault. At least 99% of the "Manosphere" is like this. Theres 1 or 2 prominent members of the men's right activists community who genuinely try to help, but most are grifter pieces of garbage.

[@StumpPumper]

I’m a dude, but all the manosphere stuff never really appealed to me. My brother though has fallen into the “red-pilled” Manosphere stuff recently, and for the past month, he wouldn’t shut up about all this nonsense. All he ever does is complain about women and gay people now; seriously, every day it’s something new. I just want my brother back, man

[@meganmoney3479]

I encourage you to show him this video

[@giftkorope5968]

Your brother found the light and is never going back 😂

[@wackyclock]

​@@giftkorope5968 if you can call that light

[@sammyruncorn4165]

​@@giftkorope5968 Like a moth drawn to light.

[@excalipoor]

@@giftkorope5968 he should play TLOU2

[@adult_nubian]

I used to be in the manosphere until 2020 and I couldn't really pin down why I gradually drifted away from it, I think it was the anti-woman rhetoric that was being pushed that didn't make sense to me because the ultimate goal was to be in relationships with them, but we hated them? One day I decided to just have regular conversations with the women in my life and it changed my whole relationship with them. I feel better about myself, I'm steadily getting closer to graduating and working in IT, my current job is going swimmingly and I'm in a loving, healthy relationship with my girlfriend. I joke about being apart of the red pill with her and we have a good old laugh together. Thank you for articulating what I was feeling when I was there. I now have to go back and analyse the thoughts I used to have. You really put words to my gut thoughts, thank you so much for your content ;)

[@kmann100500]

What's your girlfriend's rating out of ten? How many men had she been with before being with you?

[@adult_nubian]

@@kmann100500 for a second I thought you were serious lol

[@kmann100500]

@@adult_nubian I am. There is no use claiming you're a winner without stating what the supposed prize actually is.

[@adult_nubian]

@@kmann100500 Wait. So you're saying a woman is a prize to be won and she's only valuable if she's a ten and a virgin? Clearly you haven't spoken to many beautiful women. Go outside and touch some grass bro. It'd be more fruitful than inciting arguments with strangers online ;)

[@kmann100500]

@@adult_nubian nice strawman and evasion. Quite telling though.

[@MnementhBronze]

I actually met my wife on Tinder, incredible as that is. We matched right at the height of covid, our first date was at the outside seating area of one of my favorite restaurants, we hit it off quite well. 3 years later, we got married. Early on when we were dating, I asked her if there was anything in particular that made her swipe right on me. In short she said I seem "more normal and sane than the average tinder dude" lol

[@dannyguy2008]

Normal is a euphemism for taller and more lean. I have good pictures and never get any matches on online dating. I got to lose weight and get jacked.

[@bratprica6383]

​@@dannyguy2008 There was an entire portion of the video dedicated to debunking what you said. Do you people just come on random videos and start spewing nonsense?

[@dannyguy2008]

@@bratprica6383 Nope, I read the chart she put after the 80% OkCupid stats. Below average men get far fewer messages than those attractive. It’s even worse on Tinder and Hinge. I don’t know why she misread it.

[@dannyguy2008]

@@bratprica6383 She didn’t debunk that part. Less attractive males get less messages according to the graph she posted. She just misread it.

[@bratprica6383]

​@@dannyguy2008 What? How did she misread it? The blue line literally reaches it's apex below average.

[@lVlegabyte]

I almost fell into this rabbit hole when I was younger. Thankfully a video similar to this did end up in my feed and gave me more to think about. I am so glad to have escaped that kind of lifestyle and way of thinking.

[@meganmoney3479]

Yay 🎉 I’m happy for you. Sadly a lot of guys end up there

[@adrianmetzler2523]

@Jad because it’s dangerous and toxic and doesn’t allow people to take accountability for their own actions/ short comings.

[@mousesteam7882]

​@@JaddddddddddddddddddThe video, The video you commented under, The video built to explain it.

[@l3unnies]

@Jad the proof is u babe

[@notpartofyourcult281]

@Jad proof of the proof you're asking ? 🤨

[@itsquach5944]

Can we talk about the stat about 1 in 52 Women being SA'd. Because these right wing pundits say this number like its a tiny, insignificant number, but that is still way too many women that have to go undergo such a traumatizing experience.

[@MonkeyDIvan]

1 in 52 is too low a number dude. In Germany alone atleast every 1 in 3 has dealt with sexual assault or harrassement

[@gemh89]

I wonder how this study defines SA

[@bradkins94]

Oh my god at 20:11 when you said "No it's not a female emotional reaction, it's a FACT reaction." I thought it was a joke. And then he literally said it in the next clip. I would almost feel bad for them if they weren't so terrible. Brilliant video once again (thus far)

[@dubfox1691]

Same lol

[@frickinfrick8488]

If I label all my feelings as facts, nothing I say is based in feelings and it’s all logical and factual. It’s genius! /s

[@YamiHoOu]

Exact same here. Literally exclaimed "omg he actually said it!?"

[@TenderNoodle]

When start crying because I don’t know what to order at the McDonald’s drive thru I’m gonna call it a “fact reaction”

[@miniciominiciominicio]

lmao I thought similarly. I was like… this is kind of a stretch, a strawman, even. No one would say that. I’m with you münecat but come on now. Sigh.

[@wolfpack6018]

" how dare u interrupt me " proceeds to interrupt everyone and get offended

[@artbygilik]

Some of those guys who accuse women of being highly emotional are actually very fragile and emotional themselves and on the verge of an outburst

[@wolfpack6018]

@@artbygilik literally

[@shirereaver919]

Being a complete idiot myself, it was nice to have the "negative feedback loop" explained to me. It gives me plausible deniability that maybe not everything is totally my fault. I just need to go outside and- ah its right there in the video. Yes touch grass.

[@suzanned5859]

Couldn't hurt and it's free.

[@rhill571]

I'm going to be the pedantic guy and say it's a positive feedback loop. Positive and negative feedback loops aren't about whether or not you enjoy the outcome, but whether the feedback will amplify or counteract the effect.

[@icravedeath.1200]

@@suzanned5859 I like walking outside.

[@cl8804]

@@rhill571 i'd argue that's elementary and fundamental, rather than pedantic. i guess what you mean is that no one is going to get the opposite idea from hearing it. bish also probably means "formative years", rather than "figurative years"

[@MichaelTurner856]

You shouldn't consider yourself an idiot if you're open to learning. Cut yourself some slack bro :)

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

Always remember: These MRA types aren't trying to impress women, they're trying to impress other men.

[@smallguy2]

Exactly, also there is nothing more homoerotic than legally changing your name to admiring men's body's. 💪🦵

[@SA-mo3hq]

So much of this brainrot could have been avoided with a quick cheeky brojob. Always kiss your homies goodnight, friendos!

[@edenwinter9055]

Amen

[@Taeodoestech]

What about women MRAs?

[@cellus523]

​@@Taeodoestech same thing, to impress men

[@charlie3k]

The Red Pill community creates their identity with the idea that a woman shouldn't influence it, but paradoxically this still requires some idea of a woman in order for them to form their identity in relationship to. Why does the Manosphere community put so much energy into creating their image based on how they are perceived by women, yet simultaneously they don’t condone letting a woman form your identity? It's kind of like saying, don't think of a pink elephant, but you still end up thinking about a pink elephant. I think a lot of the men that are attracted to TRP/Manosphere are men who genuinely have been emotionally hurt in a past relationship, but that pain wasn't properly dealt with in a healthy manner. Instead of seeking professional help from a licensed psychologist, they instead seek prophet-like figures who will provide these insecure men an explanation as to why the world is the way it is to fill the emotional void. Enter, the manosphere/TRP-complex, where you have men giving the worst relationship advice that will only make other men deeply more miserable than they already are, but at least they have the image of being successful. On the topic of "sexual market value," I can't help but feel like this is more of a symptom of a larger societal issue, a consumption society that is driven by the perception that everything is a commodity to be exchanged on a market. Even intimate experiences such as sexual relationships are subject to the economic laws of a market-based ideology (also, there is nothing more of a sexual turn off than explaining sexuality through the lens of economics, haha). If only there was a word to explain this phenomenon, maybe late-stage capitalism? It's also hilarious how proponents of hypergamy (who view women like a market and are also right-leaning) also subtlety recognize just how a market-based system creates an unfair inequality in resource distribution.

[@FreakMeat74]

A lot of good points even if a few are oversimplified. I'd add that SMV and hypergamy are as old as life itself, and that most of the truth that can be found within TRP/BP is probably always biologically based. Everything is merely amplified these days as the population booms and interconnects, and competition for mates/resources increases. The rest is largely up to subjective human perspective/interpretation, and people definitely shouldn't attach too much if they want to be happy, balanced and productive.

[@baawbaaw9931]

Undead Chronic

[@wisdomandy9361]

Actually believe it or not, there's quite a few Red Pill female influencer's, some gaining traction quickly. Men base their image on what's perceived by women as desirable is because ironically it's what's most natural for men. Women used to do the same thing because ironically it was also natural. What a pattern to pay attention to. Interesting. Your right, a lot of men who make contact with this community found it through a harsh break up. Because I'm not sure if your aware of it or not but a large majority of men cannot find a women quickly to get over their ex and lesson the pain. So they go online and search for answers. This is something a large majority of women can do in a matter of minuets, find a replacement that is. Professional help from a phycologist? You know I actually tried that multiple times but you know what they tried to do to me? Make me more soft than I already was. Sadly what's taught in University today is wokism. And something you learn as a man is that it's dangerous to be soft and it leads to bad outcomes in life. Now I don't think the answer for all men is to strive for this "masculine high value man" type of nonsense. Because most men can never be that, which is perfectly fine. Men simply need to stop being so naive and understand their value instead of pondering and saving women at every corner. SMV and Hypergamy are definitely a thing, always have been, and always will be. Now the degree to where it's at is because of social media and all these outlets that're hitting us in the face everywhere we look. I actually have a good idea for you to realize this, and if you have a partner it might be incredibly insightful for you both. On a piece of paper write these 3 questions down. What are the 5 most important things I look for in a partner? What are the 5 most important things the partner I want, want from me? What are the 5 most important things I can offer this partner? Even if the man is somewhat woke but you don't remind him, he's going to write down surprisingly interesting answers to these questions. Good luck!

[@zzhoward]

@Calzvh Perhaps you haven't talked to the right therapist for you. I have found a tremendous amount of value across the 3 therapists that I've spoken to at different times, and my wife has an amazing relationship with her current therapist that has helped her (and me) in so many ways. But I've also been made aware of friends who have had a very negative experience with a therapist, and my wife's first therapist was pretty average, so I guess you do really need to evaluate the session from your side as well. I hope you can find one who is able to provide some insights for you.

[@DestroAzureDx]

That's something I've always noticed. The issue is that alot of hurt people or people new to dating take not being naive to an extreme and frame it as something else for ego or because its profitable. My opinion is of the fact no movement should ever be 100% or even 80% of what you abide by. They are simply things you take into account in your day to day lives, it's like walking in a crowd keeping an eye out for creeps who might follow women but also knowing when a girl you're with is just trying to trap you with a kid or cheat on you. To be completely honest, I despise both fresh and fit and everyone in the comment section because both operate and gain traction through half truths perpetuated by a confirmation bias. Everytime I see a red pill video or otherwise I contemplate offing myself

[@saly4762]

I hate when men blame single mothers. Just because you’re not married or in relationship with the woman doesn’t mean you should neglect your kids. Be a better father for your kids sake

[@19382q]

Stop divorcing your husband if you want him to stay. The best option for divorced men is restarting a family instead of dealing with your new husband

[@saly4762]

@@19382q being a husband and being a father is totally different roles. But you punishing Your kids coz your wife doesn't want you says a lot about you. If she can still be a mother after divorce you can be father.

[@robotnoir5299]

Just ask feminists to ensure "equitable" outcomes, where dads have equal access to their kids as mums. Let me know how you go.

[@saly4762]

@@robotnoir5299 that's your responsibility. No one can forbid you from seeing your kids

[@Valeriamtzp]

​@@robotnoir5299lol it seems like you don't know that today most cases of custody after divorce end up with split custody followed by the father giving full custody to the mother, if those fathers really wanted their children they could fight for them on trial but they don't

[@IAmStillHere-ws4jc]

“Walk into a cafe and be greeted by name, then discover your regular has already been prepared!” Well damn, I must be a celebrity at my local Starbucks, then. I thought they were just trying to get the line moving faster, but I guess it’s just my alpha male energy.

[@obscurum6]

😆

[@cubone44]

They can feel my alpha aura even before I step in the door. (I put in my order through the app)

[@ericah6546]

Me too! I must be an alpha woman! Oooo!

[@Dwarf2005]

It doesn't happen in my cafe, but does the grocery store count? There's something strange about people treating you kind when you are there often, and actually talk to the workers.

[@ahouyearno]

And here I thought it was because I’m a generous tipper that causes my favourite restaurant to always have a table free on a busy Sunday without a reservation And yet these idiots are the same losers who argue against tipping, which just means not paying people who work for you

[@zerodollarbird]

Anyone else VERY worried about the F&F guys constantly getting women drunk before they come on the show, and taking their phones away? I feel like that kinda got glossed over.

[@manderly33]

It’s like two steps away from being kidnapping by law.

[@garancebarbier7381]

@susie x_o fan As a teacher, you have a very easy explanation as to why you need the phones away. As a host, you have none that are not creepy (the F&F guys are not teachers btw) The 2 contexts are ABSOLUTELY different and incomparable... Loved how you did not mention the drunk part because you have no rebuttal on that one

[@universeofopulence]

@@garancebarbier7381 ...the male guests phones are not taken away and they don't have to sign any waiver

[@Folsomdsf2]

I guarantee there are women who have been assaulted resulting from that 'podcast'.

[@worldfamous_23]

Nobody can get a grown up to do anything they don’t want to do…shout out FNF

[@photophob]

To be honest, i am SO grateful my insecure teenage years (without a father) happened before social media. I can see how those "male advice giver" sales funnels could have been a potential path for me to follow.

[@animationlover2944]

Female. Same here. After I got out of those sad years I always reminded myself to question everything and to think things through as much as I can. As much as I like these male psychologists videos, part of me feels that the way they talk about us women and young girls just seems off and not right. I just take the good advice from these videos and ignore the parts where they talk about us women

[@michael.471]

Glad you stayed safe. Wish the best for you man

[@FreyaEinde]

Being a young adult is like…the grimiest and most grift ridden period of your life up til you become a senior citizen. You’re so vulnerable because you’re expected to go from tadpole to master of things in a switch flip…and that’s not how it goes. You’re meant to have this uncertainty and insecurity to overcome so you can become the adult that works for you, unfortunately we as a society are entirely penalty based…so making mistakes feels like death.

[@Ashtree29]

Yeah this video reminded me how much I hate "female" and "woman" being used interchangeably by creeps like this

[@raylouis7013]

If they use "female" and not "male" or "girls" and not "boys" - it's really telegraphing their position.

[@emilymalinowski5027]

Let's take back the word Female!!

[@raylouis7013]

@emilymalinowski5027 nah let's use the word woman again.... Seriously- either use male and female or man and woman. That's the equivalent if they aren't using equivalent words they are being deliberately demeaning- whichever way it falls.

[@carterucm]

I regularly take the yellow pill, but then again, I've got arthritis. Yep, 3 in a day, breakfast lunch and dinner. 100% legit, guys.

[@nenmaster5218]

Hbomberguy covered PUA and Man-Babys and more.

[@LeoFieTv]

I'm curerntly reading a very interesting book about the advent of the housewife (Die Erfindung der Hausfrau by Evke Rulffes, not available in English) that states among several interesting things that throughout the middle ages and modern period most crafts- and tradespeople were actually teams of husband and wife, working and managing their business together. Only with the advent of out-of-home jobs for husbands (officials, clerks, managers, etc.) in the 19th century did the upper-middle class housewife, who's basically another (unpaid) domestic worker who has to beg the husband for housekeeping money and such, emerge. Also these upper-middle class housewifes had to work from home in secret to finance the livestyle required to keep their social standing. The housewife model was never economically viable. It is a myth. Women have always been in the workforce.

[@bhavya5692]

I mean working in the house doing house chores , day in and day out without any holidays and working hours is big fucking job, that hardly more men have been capable of handling. Its just shows how strength is a synonym for women.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

XD……except when it is economically viable. To say it was “never” viable is to open yourself up to be proven wrong the very second even a single instance of it working is there. And I know a whole lot of housewives that do nothing and do not need to secretly work to maintain their lifestyle.

[@dollinterrupted]

@@brandonwilliams6221 where do you live? Where are you meeting all these women?

[@andresabantoenns9697]

@@brandonwilliams6221 i think what op means is that the idea of the housewife who only does housework isnt a viable way for an entire economy to exist, and that in the instants in history when it seemed common, even then there were caveats

[@johnwalker1058]

*GASP* You . . . you mean to tell me that the entirety of human history and civilization did not run exactly the same way as 1950s post WW2 gender roles and nuclear family model? I'm shocked! Shocked I say! 😱

[@middle_pickup]

I have a couple guy friends who fell into the manosphere blackhole recently. It's a spiral of death. Thanks for this video. I hope they watch it when I share it with them.

[@harrybudgeiv349]

if you take anything to the extreme, it's never good.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@harrybudgeiv349 well... Extreme hatred lol. Which is what the monosphere is all about.

[@franki1990]

Best of luck to you on this difficult quest of being a good friend and a conscious human being.

[@ScarletEdge]

Petersonism took 2 of my good friends. We knew each other for years. We drank together, sometimes smoke weed and went on treks in our free time. We had great times. We had non-committal centrist alignment. Kind of I don't care what is going on in politics as long it's not extremes. Well Jordan Peterson convinced them that feminists are too extreme. I begged to differ. The would not budge, because, what is my opinion in their eyes vs clinical psychologist and book author Jordan Gremlinson? I tried to to be civil. I had to listen to similar arguments as in this video by Cat. At some point one of my friends just snapped at me and that was it. He never spoke since. Other friend was just too argumentative and I just stopped writing at some point. He would go in circles and it would just take a toll on my patience. They really believe that women are here to get us and we have to do something before it's too late, because otherwise we will be left with feminine men who won't be able to defend us from people from South and East. I just can't even...

[@harrybudgeiv349]

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 not really but okay

[@masser1a77]

55:56 So, I’m not a incell and I’m with you in nearly all of the points you make, but as a male healthcare worker, I was instructed to never be alone in a room with a young woman because there were instances of them trying to sue our doctors office (trauma and visceral surgery) for stuff like SA because you could get real money through that. I did never do something like that but I was instructed to let nobody the opportunity to sue and it wasn’t just me, my doctors never went alone in a room with a Jung female patient. Also I knew a girl who showed off her suing her ex, just because he left her for another girl. I went to him and gave him the texts to help him with the trial. It is definitely a problem that men don’t have themselves under control, there are no excuses for such behavior and anyone who does this needs to get punished. Also I don’t think you can and should dismiss the fear I have now to be alone with a patient. I was r-ed, from a girl and seeing how this incredible evil and might-less feeling can be used for personal gain let’s me feel sick. Incels are mostly stupid but as a normal man in a happy, equal relationship: I know that getting sued without having done anything is a real possibility. You’d never loose this association, even if proven innocent.

[@eipheres]

not being alone with young people is not just a male thing. I'm a woman who works at a school, and I was taught the same exact thing: never be alone in a room with a student. my mom was a girl scout leader, and the official rules dictate that no adult, regardless of gender, should be alone with a child if they are not the parent. it's not targeting men, it's a way to protect both young people from being victimized, and professionals from false accusations.

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

​@@eipheres this, it makes it safer for both parties

[@masser1a77]

@@eipheressorry for the late answer. Yes, but that wasn’t my point, my point was only that it happens enough to take measures against wrongful allegations contrary to münes claim that it doesn’t happen. I know why the measures are in place, just as your mom, I am schooled in it.

[@plushdragonteddy]

i really appreciate the section debunking evidence for hypergamy. as someone who got two dates on tinder and was SA'd on both of them and then left the app, lemme tell u even if i WAS trading up i don't think anyone could blame me for wanting to go up from there hfjdksh edit: god it's always so wild hearing men say "imagine a woman walking up and just deciding to ruin a man's life with a lie!" like yeah wow can't imAGINE someone just walking up and ruining my life, as a victim of SA that's a completely foreign concept to me, ur right wow men DO have it hard

[@joshuanathanael2123]

I find your comparison of the two disturbing. No one will take what you went through and sweep it under the rug but victims of both have very seriously different consequences.

[@plushdragonteddy]

@@joshuanathanael2123 firstly, it’s a very common reaction to sweep SA under the rug, so much so that i did it to myself. i downplayed what happened to me and didn’t put any blame on the guys who did it. part of me wanted to believe it was my fault because, if it happened because of something i did wrong, surely that means i could do something differently to avoid it in the future. that’s why victim-blaming happens; it’s comforting to imagine that SA can be avoided if you just wear the right clothes or act the right way. secondly, i don’t think the comparison is unjustified. my emotional health was in shambles after the SA, my trust in people was ruined, and i don’t think i’ll ever be the same, even after therapy has helped me greatly. my life was permanently changed on someone else’s whim. i wish i could trust strangers the same way i used to. now i’m a much more fearful and distrusting person, and i can never get back the safety i used to feel in my body. before i did any healing, i was terrified of being in the same room as a man, which is the same feeling that some men claim to have when in the same room as a woman because “well she might accuse me of SA.” i thought that was an interesting comparison. similarly, since many people think SA is the victim’s fault, i could easily be shunned for what i went through just the same as someone falsely accused could be shunned for what people think they did. i’m not sure what the point of your comment was exactly, so maybe i’ve made an error in my reply. i just find a strange irony in seeing some men react to the me too movement by talking about fears that are VERY familiar to me from the other side of this whole thing (fear of being alone with someone a different gender, fear of someone destroying your life at random, fear of judgement, etc).

[@hj7947]

@@joshuanathanael2123you must not have been SAed then… because it does happen. Source: happened to me. My best friend had a false claim filed and proven false… and my attacked went free with a fancy layer. And he will say he would take a false claim over what happened to me. Broken bones and internal hemorrhaging are rough enough-having people blame you for it… there aren’t words for it.

[@massivel]

@@joshuanathanael2123 I have been falsely accused of rape by my own girlfriend who I adored at the time. I have also been raped. Guess which event I got over, and which event scarred me for life and left me traumatized beyond repair? Guess... (ps my accuser eventually- after some time- broke down and admitted that she lied for attention. which is what happens in most false accusation cases. you can remedy a false accusation. you can not remedy a fucking rape.)

[@obscureoccultist9158]

​@@joshuanathanael2123 I'm a man and even I know that SA gets swept under the rug. I remember during the 80s that SA was treated as a joke. Locker room talks that essentially involved men bragging SA women and how no one will do anything about it.

[@TheCozyBearGamer]

I was a bit of an incel as a teenager. Completely bought into the stereotypes about what kinda guys girls like. I'd point to times that girls made fun of me for my hobbies (gaming, reading fantasy/horror, etc.) without realizing that these girls were often themselves victims of a culture that actively discourages them from engaging in hobbies considered unfeminine. Then I met my late wife, literally on a Silent Hill fan forum. We were together for 11 years. I've attempted dating twice since she passed, but have given up because I'm disabled (partly due to childhood stuff, partly due to being my wife's 24/7 caregiver, as she had MS.) I can only be told I'm worthless, not a real man and that I should self delete so many times. Again, I don't feel anger towards the women saying these hurtful things to me. Just like when I was a kid, I think they're just themselves victims of societal brainwashing on what it "means to be a man." I did have one girlfriend a few years ago, but she was physically, emotionally and sexually abusive towards me. I could go in depth on the messed up reaction I've received from people I've tried to talk to about that experience, but again I think they're just unwittingly parroting toxic ideals that have been put in their head. (For example, I've been told that the sexual abuse I experienced doesn't count because "men always want it.") I've given up on the idea of dating. I sometimes joke that I'm an incel without the misogyny, a diet incel if you will. Anyway, I rambled enough. Good video.

[@manderly33]

I’m so sorry life has dealt you such a tough hand. It’s not easy to keep an open heart and mind in the face of all that; it speaks volumes about you that you have.

[@thelittlewateringhole5576]

I want the conditions we live in now to never let the cruel things that happened to you, happen to any one other living human now. I hope that you and your life can heal and try to put it all behind if need be. 🐚🌱🌺❤🧡💛💚💙💜🌺🌱🐚

[@deddin]

Hey man, that sounds really rough. I'm sorry you feel so alone. You're an amazing person for being there for your partner.

[@Sam-es2gf]

This is something that feminists always gloss over. More women hold these toxic views about what men should be than men.

[@ioannisn.tsiroyiannis6022]

I don't think it gets much more manly, standing on your own two feet after experiencing the ordeals you had to and still going through.

[@Cartmanchill]

“I had three girls in one night. Sounds crazy, doesn’t it?” It sure does. I’ll take “Things That Didn’t Happen” for $1000, Alex.

[@ouwebrood497]

I had three girls in one hour. Thing that did happen, for $400!

[@BloodWired]

Bro, that’s so gross lol

[@clatterslam]

​@@ouwebrood497 wow, you paid only 400 dollars for three girls?

[@ouwebrood497]

@@clatterslam Yes, it was first one hour with one lady and then half an hour with 3 ladies.

[@UnemployableFakeGuru]

You don't wanna know for how much of this BS I might have fallen for. I decided to start using my brain currently.

[@1hitwoon99]

u have gf now?

[@masa-pt9vs]

so glad for you !!

[@LurkinHandworker]

Congrats!

[@fawnieee]

​@@1hitwoon99 The manosphere; men stop being simps!! Also the manosphere: okay, you're gonna work out and get money and do all of these things to get women. But this isn't simping, I swear.

[@bhhaaaal]

Same here man. It is a chapter in my life that keeps me up at night for all the cringe word vomit that space spews I’m reminded by.

[@santoast24]

As a man who is going through some really tough times right now, and who was raised in a slightly toxic-masculine environment... I can assure you that eating 4 raw eggs would either solve all my problems forever, or cause several more.... and I am not going to take that chance thank you

[@R4G3FULL]

Lol your all like “man I got enough problems already I don’t need raw eggs in the mix” 🤣

[@CureSmileful]

I can't tell if godly being is being sarcastic or not

[@clonejones7955]

@@CureSmileful Then you are lost,my God. You actually believe? Masculinity is toxic.

[@DriscolDevil]

@@forspartaaa2348 no. Toxic masculinity doesn't mean masculinity is toxic, hence why toxic is a modifier. Saying "that is a broken taillight" doesn't mean you are saying all taillights are broken. "That is a big dog" doesn't mean all dogs are big. How did you not realize that in the time it took you to read the comment and then reply?

[@thequickbrownfox7604]

@@forspartaaa2348 I can't believe you're publicly admitting you don't know what an adjective is.

[@huntercoleherr]

I cannot fathom how you are able to listen to and summarize this much insane shit. Props.

[@probablyants]

It's probably the magic of alcohol and a courage no mere mortal possesses

[@ethanfenderson7023]

​@Probably God its just grinding for hours 😂

[@ThePulse2x]

She's not doing a good job

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

@@ThePulse2x exactly, she's doing an AMAZING job

[@damien678]

Rage can make one do truly insane things

[@romanwashere2]

Your section where you break down how dating apps aren't real life is something I needed to hear. They've hurt my self esteem as a guy, but you really underscored what an absolutely horrible thing they can be for women. Great video!

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

my problem is that I'm very anxious and probably autistic to some degree (I have 25). I absolutely HATE approaching strangers, and approaching women for romantic interest makes me literally shake. It makes me feel horrendously uncomfortable, reason why I always tried to find partners on the internet. Knowing someone and approaching them virtually felt a lot "softer", and made all the anxiety of meeting them in real life almost good to feel. Back then, it was INCREDIBLY hard to find girls to go out, I ended up hanging out with a girl per year or two. But from two years to now, what was almost impossible became just impossible. I use Tinder regularly and I get something around a match per two weeeks. And I end up exchanging numbers somewhere around a time for each 6 months, wich veeeeeeeeery rarely ends up in we going out. I'm not complaining, I know that dating apps suck and don't represent real life in any way. But it was at least "something" for me not to just die alone. It was better to go out with someone a time per year than literally never. I use it mostly as kind of a distraction, whilst feeling like "I'm doing something" so I can feel ok for being alone. But I'm really considering starting to go out more, even if I hate parties and this way of socializing (I just like to hang out with my friends and do stuff, like trails or playing music), just because I think that virtual dating is kinda dead. Wich saddens me, because I really wanted an alternative for feeling like a creep for approaching people. I absolutely HATE it, but being alone so long is not very fun, too...

[@Makyura43]

@@gustavogoesgomes1863 You don't have to go to parties man , just gather your friends and visit interesting places. There will be women there as well and some of your friends can break the ice for you. More you socialize , easier it gets.

[@LeneChibi]

@@gustavogoesgomes1863 Go grab some friends and do stuff with them - I've met lots of people during group activities. It's easier for 2 groups to merge at some point because it's a quite safe environment. And if it helps you, I totally get what you're describing with the shaking and stuff. I'm a pretty anxious woman and guys tend to approach me in bright daylight - I start shivering as well because I get extremely anxious. I don't like to approach people but hell naaah if they approach me it's even worse because I feel so trapped. We'll get better at some point, I'm sure of it! Stay strong

[@tiny_weeb_rin5583]

Yea, don't let dating apps hurt your self esteem. It's hard to present all you have to offer in one paragraph and a picture.

[@tiny_weeb_rin5583]

@Sean E Maybe women are stereotyping a certain look of man to be more dangerous. Also, looks are subjective. None of my friends and I have the same tastes. The main thing we all agree on is they have to have a good personality. What is a good looking guy to you is probably not a good looking guy to me.

[@torylva]

Frankly, I think that if there is an accusation of rape, it should be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated. Not just for the sake of the person who claims they were raped (Even if that is the most important factor here), but honestly, being falsely outed as a rapist can be extremely damaging to any future the person may have. So for everyone's sake, it should be taken with the gravity it truly deserves, rather than how offhandedly dismissed it gets.

[@koltoncrane3099]

It’s not just rape but the me too movement of a guy using his position for sex. Newsom had an affair and destroyed a marriage but the woman was like I didn’t want to treat this like a me too movement cause it was consensual. I’m like hmm. Did she sign a NDA like bloombergs women? Idk. Bill Clinton should have been prosecuted with the me too movement as it could be argued he clearly had a position of power over Monika.

[@mynameisambertoo7379]

Right??? We work under an innocent until proven guilty system for a reason, a fair trial only serves to find if it happened, not to find out what **didn't**

[@GameChanger-xi4iy]

Sometimes for the accused not even an innocent verdict can repair the damage done by the allegations.

[@mrsherwood2599]

A false rape accusation is for life. I've seen it over and over. It isn't funny and it isn't OK. Go back to singing for ABBA.

[@smam375]

​@@mrsherwood2599ah yes, and trauma obviously isn't for life

[@lythejanssen-link108]

And please, please, for the love of everything right in this world: keep on making these deep-dives that are as long as a movie.

[@lorddeer8631]

As someone who’s worldview was pretty severely warped during my teenage years because of this sort of harmful ideology, watching someone rip it all apart was very cathartic

[@misevibre]

Meh, you are still validating your opinion on the internet...it's just a different opinion now.

[@rsk47reviews59]

@@misevibre if you dont see the difference between the "opinion" that the manosphere regurgitates and the opinions that are backed by actual critical thinking and research, as demonstrated in this video, then you are just triggered that your manosphere bubble got burst with clinical precision and common sense.

[@vanguard6937]

@@rsk47reviews59 mate there doesn't seem to be any evidence in this video either. It's mostly calling them incels, saying f&f are scam artists (which is pretty true), strawman arguments, and saying "but there's no evidence!"

[@myronbourne6937]

@@rsk47reviews59 You're delusional lmao

[@gashinggustwind5074]

@@vanguard6937 why are you here then?

[@rjmacready363]

"we should help straight white men" We definitely should. Glad that you said this. I was big into Neo Nazism, blaming foreigners, women, Jews, etc. for more than a decade. Years before the Alt Right even became a thing. I'm 30+ and got into this stuff around the mid 2000s. Name the website, I probably was there, name the right wing gurus, I probably read them, etc. I was alone, depressed, dissatisfied, and all this stuff was like Opium to me, felt like the only community that understood me. But, well, I am actually not a bad guy. I'm white, German, straight, etc, but as weird as it sounds for all this time I was engaged in that stuff I thought I was doing the right thing and everyone else was just acting in bad faith or out of insanity, misinformation, etc. The only thing I will say is that it can be almost impossible to help those guys. I eventually figured it out myself that I was on the wrong path, but it was a slow and long process. And painful too, felt absolutely devastated by regret so often, almost to the point where I just wanted to end it all. Sure reading certain things, interacting with other people helped and played a role in it, but I wouldn't say that I ever got any help. Yeah, this sounds like "I'm a real man, I don't need help from anyone" crap, but it is, for better or worse, the psyche of a lot of men. I eventually decided to do therapy tho, but it was only roughly around two or three years after I got out off the Neo Nazi/Manosphere rabbit hole. I couldn't bring myself to do it before. So I don't know how effective any help can be. But I still think it is good to still have some empathy left, even if these guys believe in destructive ideologies and act like pure a.holes. In the end those guys are victim of the system too. People usually don't just decide to be evil for the sake of being evil. I just hope that as the flaws of the current system become more obvious, more impactful to anyone's life more and more of those guys will see that they've been fooled. Won't be fun, tho. Expect more mental health issue with straight white men in the future.

[@LiterarischeAktion]

Bei mir war es in der Jugend ähnlich. Man kann die Scheiße nicht rückgängig machen, aber es hat auch ne gute Seite: Wir können durch diese Erfahrungen den Gesamtzusammenhang n Stück besser/anders begreifen, wo Andere die Mindsets reaktionärer oder gar faschistischer Subjekte nur von Außen kennen.

[@rjmacready363]

​@@LiterarischeAktion Es ist wirklich ein Vorteil. Im Grunde könnte ich eine Doktorarbeit über das Thema schreiben. Die einseitige Darstellung, die man in den Medien zu dem Thema findet, ist auch häufig einfach nur extrem oberflächlich, extrem schwarz-weiß. Habe häufig den Eindruck, man wolle es gar nicht verstehen...

[@piccalillipit9211]

Ive spent 3 years writing a book that will mostly be given away free. Its designed to try and intercept people before they get so desperate they either off themselves or go down some dark rabbit hole. Its called "ADRIFT IN THE SHARK TANK - how to cope in a post-pandemic world" I got it back from the proofreader last week, I'm hoping to have it published this month.

[@ronjamakela3640]

Thank you for your story. At one point of my life I dipped my toes in radical feminism so I think I can relate a bit with you. I think that both radical feminsm and neo nazism (or any other radical movment) are symptoms of a society that doesn't work like it should.

[@mihkeltroost8769]

wow Im so happy this 22 year old catlady has enlightened you. Im sure you're not just adapting the views of the last youtuber that 'debunked' something.

[@Vindominus]

Jordan Peterson saying "The threat of violence is always there" is giving "She won't say no, because of the implications" vibes.

[@camipco]

On "false" accusations of R/SA, it's also worth noting some of these are cases of incorrectly accusing the perpetrator, but still the R/SA occurred. The most famous being the Central Park 5 where the young men accused were innocent, and later exonerated, but the R still occurred. So in cases like that it can both be true that we need to be more careful about protecting men accused of R from false conviction (especially men of color) while it also being true that the crime happened and the woman didn't just make it up.

[@randomhuman2595]

Exactly Jamie. I thought of this myself and nice to see you echoing it.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

This is based on the false idea that rape is a female on male crime. Also if false accusations are a major problem, it logically follows that the problem is institutional at a deep level. So to then say, "well the evidence is poor" is like saying the studies showing evidence for racism in the 19th century were scanty. Yeah, because the researchers shared the same biases and racism was working for people who funded them.

[@rotisseriepossum]

wait how does one falsely accuse the perpetrator?

[@camipco]

@@rotisseriepossum Apologies, that was poorly worded. I mean the person being accused isn't the person who perpetrated the R/SA.

[@Anom990]

The Central Park 5 were never exonerated.

[@neonrelmsproductions4224]

"All women want a rich man" I'm gay.

[@James_36]

I think it is pretty obvious they are generalising, exceptional comparisons do nothing to disprove a general point

[@unknownanonymous5914]

@@James_36nice ragebait

[@Silversubs29078]

​@@James_36L comment

[@emilymalinowski5027]

I am gay as well. THATS TWO WHOLE PEOPLE FIGHTING THIS FACTUAL FEMALE FACT

[@neonrelmsproductions4224]

@@James_36 Who invited you?

[@terryo4352]

Just thinking "Damn I need a good long video essay to listen to while I work today" and BOOM münecat swoops in and drops another 2hr BANGER. Thanks müne! We love you!

[@bigtombowski]

We don't say _banger_ anymore. It has _connotations_ that may trigger some ambiguous individuals.

[@TheKuroSheep]

AMEN HAHAHAHAH

[@angelenriquechavezponce1629]

same feeling but im actually studying

[@ElkiLG]

It's insane how if you just have a chat with women, like, a normal chat, not trying to flirt or anything, a conversation, you realize how much nonsense it all is. These dudes need to go out and just have friendly chats with women. Most of my close friends are women and I would feel infinitely embarrassed to think like this about them.

[@DavidW-ng5zv]

What in particular is nonsense?

[@painunending4610]

What makes you think women want to speak to these men? Ask your female friends if they'd be friends with someone with no female friends. The answers will make everything make sense. Hopefully they will enlighten the normie mind

[@fawnieee]

​@@painunending4610 the assumption that the expectation of friendship, and not having a simple conversation, kind of speaks volumes. You're already assuming that women owe you something simply because you're engaging with her, and you assume she'll reject you for it. Which isn't surprising because there are far too many men who only engage with women when they think they can get something out of us, and many women are aware of that which is why (shocker) they don't want to engage with you because they sense your entitlement.

[@fawnieee]

​@@DavidW-ng5zv did you actually watch the video? Rewind it and watch it. She breaks it down in a very simplistic way. Hope this helps!

[@painunending4610]

@@fawnieee also, in case you need to hear it, you ARE NOT a victim