THE GUN LAWYER: The "No Guns" Sign

The Gun Lawyer discusses your rights in regards to "No Gun" signs.
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[@Sewermonkey69]

My personal opinion on the CPZ signs is this : if I’m CCW right, no one will know. I’ll deal with the legal aftermath after I’ve stopped an imminent threat and my family safe. If there is not metal detector or pat down/ security checkpoint, you can bet I’m carrying. There is no such thing as a gun free zone if I’m there.

[@christophersoberg2627]

Sewermonkey69 i’m with you on that one . I conceal carry everywhere I go if I have to draw it out then there’s bigger problems than a sign I didn’t see.

[@Dwilson1282]

Agreed- until it’s a risk of a felony.

[@gadsdenjim8785]

David Wilson then You DON'T Agree slave.

[@bloodeagle2234]

same

[@nomerc3608]

WAkE UP Gun PEOPLE! They want you to violate the signs and any other law so they can legally take all of your Guns! WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR SINCE THE BRADY BILL WHEN REGAN WAS SHOT! I am a Veteran and the only time I do not carry is when I go to the VA. I have come to my truck after appointments to find my truck unlocked and my console gone through several times! My console was locked when I got out of my truck to go to my appointment and it was unlocked when I got back into my truck. To call someone a slave because they refuse to risk everything they own and to risk not being able to legally protect your family for the rest of your life as well as yourself to me is very smart! They want us to break the laws so they can put us under the Jail! Once your in jail and every weapon you own has been removed from your home how can and will your wife protect herself and your children? What happens to her and your children when the crooks your in jail with tell their family and friends about you and that your family is not able to protect themselves? How do you live with what happened to them while you was in jail? You will have your hands full as it is trying to protect yourself! What happens when you do get home and several armed men walk in on you? Do you say welcome! Take what ever you want, oh yeah my wife is in the bedroom! What if you have a young girl? Do you offer her to them too? Whet about if you have a son? None of our children are safe being harmed now! Oh No I am Billy Jack! I can defend my family no matter what threat comes at me or comes through my door! WRONG! What do you do when your threatened by someone knocks on the side of your home at 2:30 AM while your walking to the door to let your cat inside? KNOCK KNOCK YOUR DEAD!!!??? What about when your just over one hour away from home and your alarm goes off? The alarm company tells you and the cops that your cat(s) set it off, there is no threat! You have had this same alarm for over two years and the new home set up is four months old. The cats have never tripped the motion detector! Nope the cats made the motion for just over one minute! When you get home the cops refuse to come clear your home? There was no threat, they didn’t even come check on your home! Then you wake up the next morning to your wife yelling about why is there mulch on her clean dining room floor! Then you go look and you find the mulch is not only in the floor but also inside the two window seals and then you see the two frames of the screens have been bent! LOOK AT THE HOME PAGE! “No Content!” They have shut down and are erasing everything they do not want us to hear and breaking the connections of those that think and feel the same way! Break the connections and make it so you can not talk to anyone else that feels the same as you! Make it so the only news we get is the what they tell us! Like it was before the internet! Hide the Corruption and TRUTH!

[@Jethrobodine75]

If there is no method for preventing a bad guy with a gun, either leave or ignore it. Big boy rules.

[@pulverize3]

No. You make a slingshot as strong as a gun. Its considered a toy. Problem solved

[@johnmullholand2044]

If I get confronted about carrying in a "gun free zone", I just ask the manager, supervisor, etc, "Do you honestly believe that a sign will stop a criminal from shooting this place up? If it happens when I'm here, my gun will stop them from causing numerous casualties. Do you guarantee my safety otherwise? If not, you open yourself up to a lawsuit, for failing to "protect" me." This usually results in the sign going away, with a quickness! MOLON LABE!

[@dragonf1092]

The sign opens them up for a lawsuit for conspiracy against rights and deprivation of rights under color of law.

[@SRFDriver]

I ask myself that very question every time I walk into a Whole Foods market to use their Amazon Returns booth. That's the only reason I even walk into that place--I refuse to give them dollar one because of their "30.05" and "30.06" signs (I live in Texas) signs that prohibit guns in the store. If someone were to come in and shoot that place up while I was in there unarmed you can bet I'd be first in line to sue them.

[@dragonson72]

@@SRFDriver A private business has the right to refuse service for any reason, and yet you make it a point to walk into a store you are not going to do business with. Why not worry about this store and patronize someplace else

[@SRFDriver]

@@dragonson72 Answer: Because they are geographically close to me.

[@dragonson72]

@@SRFDriver If a store has a policy I don't agree with I don't shop there, seems like an easy fix

[@derekweikart35]

I asked a LEO this same question and he said that public business with those signs are considered “semi private property”. Semi Private property in not on the list of locations where it is illegal to carry concealed. But if hey ask you to leave you must leave, then it would be considered armed trespass.

[@aaronwong1977]

This is true in certain states like Indiana. In Ohio, no such luck.

[@matthewlee9728]

@@aaronwong1977 in ky dont think its even armed tresspass in most cases but may be a misdeameanor rather than just a ticket

[@nokiot9]

Here in Arizona we had someone sue a restaurant last year for improperly displaying the sign, then calling the cops on the guy when they saw his gun. They had it on the host podium and the guys lawyer successfully argued that the owner “manufactured an environment in which my client couldn’t know he was breaking a law until he’d already done it” and then added punitive damages for his detention. Lemme see if I can dig up the case... I think the guys name was Sanchez- the defendant.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

Good thing I don't carry a Beretta M92.

[@andyprairiedog]

Yup........or the revolver one :)

[@Ryan-cr5qq]

What about signs that say, "no weapons allowed, unless otherwise authorized by law" Isn't a CCW authorized by law?

[@MichaelBlocksom]

Ryan Shiflet good point man

[@gamecapturemoments1]

I wondered about this too

[@crocketgsxr6]

Yeah like at most banks. I was a guard at one, and was told Police, Retired Police(with current valid department ID and carry privileges) and of course me as a agent of the bank. They are still CPZ signs.

[@MrDeviousdom]

Check with your state laws. For example, here in AZ, the following criteria must be met: 4-229. Licenses; Handguns; Posting of Notice. A. A person with a permit issued pursuant to section 13-3112 may carry a concealed handgun on the premises of a licensee who is an on-sale retailer unless the licensee posts a sign that clearly prohibits the possession of weapons on the licensed premises. The sign shall conform to the following requirements: 1. Be posted in a conspicuous location accessible to the general public and immediately adjacent to the liquor license posted on the licensed premises. 2. Contain a pictogram that shows a firearm within a red circle and a diagonal red line across the firearm. 3. Contain the words, "no firearms allowed pursuant to A.R.S. section 4-229".

[@b-right-on6707]

@@MrDeviousdom to the best of my understanding, those signs that say ARS 4-229 only apply to establishments that serve alcohol. Looking into statute 4-229, it appears to be backed up by subsection D, explaining that the department of liquor licenses and control will provide them to licensees at no cost. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, the sign only applies if it's posted on a white background and is the correct minimum dimensions, meaning one with a clear background on an entrance door glass is not applicable.

[@overallgreatidea6433]

Ask the manager if he expects a police officer to obey the sign and walk his means of defense back to his vehicle and lock it up, then return to the store. If he responds in the negative, then ask him why he believes the officer should have a better chance of surviving than you should have.

[@36nick4truth]

A cop told me that sign carries the same legal weight as no shoes no shirt sign. They can ask you to leave, then if you dont you can be ticketed for trespassing.

[@qzb2ymig]

Depends on your location. I'm no lawyer, but Virginia is like you say, they first have to ask you to leave, and it's trespassing if you don't. Other states you can be arrested merely for having a firearm in a marked area. Know your state and local laws, and don't take some internet rando's word for it.

[@dknollRX7]

It depends on your state. Some states all they can do is ask you to leave. If you leave peacefully, there’s no issue. If you resist, they can call the cops and you can get in trouble. In other states, just being caught carrying in a gun free zone can be enough to face fines and penalties.

[@richardadamczyk4022]

Magic Man, you are absolutely correct about Kasich. He just recently showed his true liberal leaning just a few days ago.

[@jamesstewart4048]

In AZ, it can be anything from a class 2 missy to a class 6 felony.

[@kurzification]

Magic Man I live in Ohio as well, and a lawyer told me this wasn’t true for Ohio. You can carry in a private establishment and unless they ask you to leave you’ve broken no laws

[@MrKswildman]

Where I live that sign doesn't mean nothing, unless they have a metal detector and a security guard. If for some reason they see you carrying all they can do is ask you to leave, or they will have you criminally trespassed. Also the sign only work on CC. If you open carry here, they have to have a sign similar but says "Open carry prohibited."

[@dadbodincorporated4411]

Any business that have those signs doesn’t need or deserve my money. Simply give my business to their competitors.🤔

[@longgone9869]

But make it a point to walk in and let the ownership know that is what you're doing. In my experience, almost 70% of the businesses will eventually take those no gun signs down😊

[@dadbodincorporated4411]

@@longgone9869 good point, I think I will do that from now on. You would think in a Constitutional Carry state they would have already thought about this and how they could maximize profits by removing those signs.

[@joem3524]

In my state "No Gun" signs do not carry 'weight-of-law.' Except in a few places (like courthouses) that are specified in legislation, anyone found carrying in a posted area must leave peacefully when/if asked by the property owner/manager to do so... or face trespassing charges [NOT gun-related charges, unless other factors (like brandishing, for instance) are involved].

[@kez3000]

Thankfully here in PA, "gun buster" signs carry no force of law.

[@jasonusaf6326]

I always ignore those signs. And nobody has ever noticed my tucked iwb carry

[@nickmckean1057]

What about Easton? They have a no gun policy, but I had to find it in a paragraph of policy on their website.

[@rocky31186]

I'm glad you went over mall questions. I have been told ALL of Easton town center mall property is CPZ. Polaris mall is also a hard one as it does not have a gun buster rather it has a "code of conduct" after you are inside the building it states you can not carry in the Polaris mall.

[@whoeever]

rocky31186 CPZ?

[@rocky31186]

kvnkcrs criminal protection zone

[@Stellanaomiblohm]

Just carry concealed and not wear any garb of 2A and stuff like that and no one will think twice.

[@rondouglas5147]

My NV CCW instructor said you can ignore the no weapons signs in casinos, you”re carrying concealed. If they see it and ask that you remove it, then you must comply or you are trespassing. If they see it and just call the PD. The PD will ask if they asked you to leave, and if you say no, they will do nothing?? So it looks like rules vary by state. Comments??

[@mef9327]

I've had my CCW for 30 years but rarely used it. A recent incident convinced me to be more diligent about carrying. I've seen a lot of ranges that offer various classes. Is there a best one? To clarify, I'm very comfortable with the mechanics of shooting and firearm operations. What I'm interested in is related to legal use of force continuum. Also, you mentioned your group has an office in Atlanta. I'll probably be calling next week.

[@bcork9381]

Link to the "do not talk to cops" video???

[@josh48315]

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[@stevevanhorn9275]

I live in Pa very close to Ohio border and used to frequent Ohio alot but since I have been ccw (3 years now) I stopped going to Ohio because it just isn't worth the hassle trying to find a business that wont discriminate against me and i really don't want my kids growing up without me because I'm in jail. In Pa they have to ask you to leave and that's cool....ill leave but they cant jail me unless I cause an issue....i think its just best to increase my own states economy rather than wasting it in Ohio where your rights are trampled on.

[@wtfdan817]

I visited Pa from Oh a few times in the last couple years and enjoy the freedom of being able to ignore signs while there. Actually, I don't believe any of the establishments I entered had signs. Maybe that's because they know it holds no force by law.

[@jeffgiacomel792]

My Hunting bud is an Attorney , the Lead Attorney for our State Rifle Association and years ago got Concealed Carry passed in the State. He sent to all these entities that have the No Gun Sighs that, since the State has passed Concealed Carry Law for people to defend themselves and they are denying that Right that should anything happen, he let them know he will take them to Court.

[@dragonson72]

A business can refuse service for any reason

[@jeffgiacomel792]

@dragonson72 First of all, it is Concealed Carry. Secondly your statement is flat asking for trouble... unless you set up a Private, Membership Only Establishment. Just like the Christian Baker who was targeted to bake a Cake for a Gay Wedding... As to the CCW Issue, the Lead Attorney of the Texas State Rifle Association, that got CCW through, sent Correspondence to the owners who refused CCW, even though the weapons were Concealed, essentially saying that the Business in denying CCW and the Rules of the State on CCW, was taking the Safety and Protection of the Customers upon themselves. He also developed a list and informed those Business owners of such. The signs came down in the majority of businesses. So, if your business is open to anyone in the Public and you are denying the State intention of CCW then the is responsible. You don't suppose all the mass random shootings now seem to take place at facilities with "No Firearms" Signs on them since you? Like.... Schools, Bases, Hospitals, Churches... it's probably just coincidence. Why don't you pick another reason, another Constitutionally Guaranteed Right to use to exclude someone.... how about something listed in the First Amendment?

[@TexasPapa13]

If every state would just honor the Constitution we wouldn’t need to have these conversations.

[@tvbox6955]

*** Count how many times you say ahhh and umm. ***

[@normanhanson3792]

Why do I have to disarm if I have visit New York or New Jersey? Shouldn't I be covered by the same Federal Statutes that gives me the right to bears arms in PA.

[@CitizenCarrier]

There is no and never been a “federal statute” that “gives” you the right to keep and bear arms. Whatever the government “gives” the government take the away. The founders knew this so they wrote the second amendment. They knew the right to keep and bear comes from a much higher power than the government. Some call it a God given right, some call it a natural right. Either way. The second amendment was written as a guarantee that the government SHALL NOT INFRINGE on you God given right. Yet, here we are. And it’s because the people have become lazy and complacent and allowed the government to grab that power of tyranny.

[@AyumiBushido]

My job just put one of those signs on the door and our rules clearly state in our hand book that its prohibited to carry anything that is considered a deadly weapon. I’ve had jobs where the parking lot was prohibited to carry your gun was that legal?

[@rudelo]

Majority of shooters love no gun signs. The Maine shooter chose 2 no guns locations. Need to ban no gun signs for the safety of the people and more law abiding citizens should carry. An armed society is a polite society.

[@lawrencemarocco8197]

Isn't it odd how the places that post the no gun signs are exactly the places most likely to be the scene of gun violence by criminals?

[@princetyler9886]

If a business becomes a no gun zone the owner has assumed the responsibility of insuring my safety and will have to pay for not keeping me safe when a problem arises! The more this happens you will see less of the signs and they'll definitely stop asking who has a gun!!!

[@againstit224]

No the owner is telling you to carry your gun and your business elsewhere. Just do exactly that. No problem.

[@bannisteryort5330]

Hello im in illinois laws are similar to ohio does the sign has to be a particular way in order for it to be enforceable. I have seen all black and white signs no red no wording

[@sethschuyler2771]

Strange thing is only the good guys ever obey these signs...hmmmm

[@gregwalker7214]

BORN & RAISED in (614)🏈🏈🏈🏈

[@wydopnthrtl]

If we would have a BB gun class in about 3rd grade for ALL children.. this wouldn't even be a thing.

[@TexasPapa13]

Our school had a shooting team

[@robertkreamer7522]

So can I assume that the establishment that has that sign has assumed full liability for my safety and protection and if I am injured in any kind of criminal activity they are fully alive because I am a business invite and they are obligated to provide a reasonably safe place they have now announced by that sign that they will keep all criminals out so that I am safe . don’t tell me that in Ohio there’s some kind of statue that says that they can’t be held liable if some activity occurs that would be totally unconstitutional

[@longgone9869]

You would be surprised how many businesses are willing to take their no gun signs down if they realize the signs are costing them money. Over the last few years I've approached seven businesses about removing their signs. Five businesses took their signs down, one business went out of business And the seventh business still has the sign up. If the business is mandated by law to have the sign there's not much you can do other than to try and legislatively make a change. But as far as businesses where the owner has chosen to put up the sign You should make it your job to approach them and let them know. I simply walk in and asked to speak to the owner and the manager I give them a card explaining my position. I thank them for their time and I leave. If at some point the sign comes down I start doing business with them and make it a point to personally thank them for removing the sign.

[@AdamWeil]

how about a shopping plaza that has a couple signs up at entry points to the parking lot, but not at the doors of the businesses?

[@tx9cuda]

I'd like an answer to that too. Very confusing.

[@ericcampbell8881]

Ohio is now a constitutional carry state....the law states no guns allowed can be posted, however does not apply to those legally allowed to CC......that should mean your legal due to CC in Ohio....is that not the case.

[@loumac241]

What sign????

[@M_of_the_U]

What is the law on selling a p80 you have built? Please help answer this question for me and thank you for the videos

[@gamingmedic7377]

what about in the states that the signs have no legal bearing like in WA?

[@unclegeorge6175]

Great Advice! I also wanted to ask you, is there a publication digital or not that compares CCW insurance? I don't believe that CU Report has done any reseach on this. Even better, what has been yours and your customer's experience? Your advise would be greatly Thx.

[@drewschlosser26]

Do you have a link to find out BY STATE if no guns allowed signs have any legal standing? I've heard of states that require the legal code to be on the sticker for it to have any legal standing

[@markmaugle4599]

In life in CT and the constitution, article 15 states “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.” The state of CT also has a No Guns sign law. My question is dose this law violate my rights under the State Constitution? I completely understand your response is just a personal opinion.

[@matthewlee9728]

theres a good argument to be made that it violates your rights but you also have the right not to go to a private bussiness and they almost certianly reserve the right to have anybody they wish leave the property

[@williamarnold1963]

What u think of uscca

[@DannySchneible]

What if there is a sign conspicuously located, but only with writing, no "gun busters" image/graphic? In other words, it's just a sticker with text on it saying something to the effect of, "firearms are not permitted in this building."

[@wtfdan817]

I am not a lawyer but, my understanding is it still bars you. The gun buster sign as it's called, is just the recommended sample of typical signs available in packages for business owners to place a their entrances. My understanding is they come in a package along with the no smoking, no shirts-no service signs etc. It's up to the business which signs they post and some businesses just post them all with no thought about it.

[@myblacklab7]

Wait - so is it illegal to bring a gun into a place with a gun-free sign in Ohio? If so, what's the statute, what's the penalty, etc.?

[@largelarry2126]

Never spend your money with someone who hates you.

[@John-to3ri]

I was at a Meijer in Ohio, they had a blue sign with the pic of a gun with the line across. I asked a manager about it he said its for no open carry. Is their a difference?

[@ericw3229]

In Michigan the Meijer stores had them too. A Meijer family member was a GOP congressman. During last year's primary this was brought up and his campaign and the Meijer chain got a lot of negative feedback. By sumner the signs were changed to no open Carry. My guess is Meijer did not want any more so the signs were changed

[@rdaugherty52]

Why would anyone know about your gun its supposed to be concealed.

[@steveg2406]

It can be difficult sometimes; But I simply go elsewhere when encounterring these type signs as a matter of common sense....Of course "common sense" is rarely used by majority of modern people...

[@EUSA1776]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[@18661873]

Sign? What sign?

[@MAGDUMP]

Don't know about you guys but I personally never been in a gun-free zone 😎

[@TexasPapa13]

Luckily those signs on the thumbnail are not legal in my state. They have to have the 30.0_ statute on them as well.

[@draco47man]

As long as the picture doesn't look like a glock I'm ok

[@pawelatut]

Can i use an AR pistol as a ccw?

[@TheFUpodcast]

Do you guys work in Florida too?

[@rcsontag]

I do not patronize any business that is designated as a gun-free zone for several reasons: 1)History has shown that a person is more likely to be shot in a gun-free zone than in a place not so designated. 2) Businesses in gun-free zones most likely are not providing armed security. Therefore, they have robbed you of your ability and right to self-defense. 3) If I have to defend myself in a gun-free zone with my legally carried firearm, I would prefer not to be shot by the police when they finally arrive since they can not tell the good guys from the bad guys. 4) Generally there are financial/legal/criminal consequences for exercising your right to keep and bear arms in a gun-free zone. So if a business doesn't want my business then I will patronize their competition.

[@againstit224]

They thank you for not being there.

[@comeandfindme.45]

Personally, I completely ignore all of those signs. They don't know I am carrying, but in my state of Minnesota there are some buildings where you will loose your rights to own firearms. That being said, I will protect what's mine no matter the cost!!!!@

[@BigChiefTomTom53]

WoW, that's an awesome beard... I had a good amount of length to mine, but I cut almost half of a foot off the other day!

[@brenthensley3347]

What do you think of Ohio Senate Bill 260?

[@ericdouglas3039]

What's the penalty for getting caught in a no carry zone?

[@LA_Commander]

None. They just ask you to leave. If you refuse to leave though, they can get you for trespass.

[@sgtlewisbond]

Who’s the associates in Atlanta names , numbers and address

[@cadmanchannel]

Thank you for the data. Please review this video to learn how to improve your audio. I want to clearly hear every word you are saying. Thanks.

[@ronniedr.rockerross2057]

From what I heard in your video you really didn't answer the obvious question....do I or don't I pay attention to the damn sign????? I'll answer that question for myself.....I will not pay attention to the sign...If I paid attention to every sign I see on the doors of so many stores I might as well just leave my gun at home....and I'm not doing that !!!!!!!

[@docholliday1811]

Great video!

[@kevinjohnson3925]

Its a misdemeanor if ur caught and can only be charged if u refuse to leave

[@JWG2014]

I would like some clarification on that. I have been told (cant always trust that) but in Alabama, the sign is not a legal notice but you must exit immediately without arguing. I was told in McDonalds in Montgomery that I could not have my pistol(it was concealed but you could make it out) in the place. I told them it was not a gun and it was none of their business, they cant search me... Anyway There was a police officer 5 feet from me but I said - No problem, I will leave and I walked out. He could have not wanted to do the paper work or was off duty at the time - who knows but he did not bat a eye. By the way... that location had been robbed 5 times that year. They need more people carrying in there. No matter what - if they have a sign and you get caught with a gun, LEAVE - get to your car and exit the property. 1st - they have no reason to call the police then. 2nd... Now you can say you put the gun on your body after you got back in your car. They can not prove that you had it in the place unless you showed it or admitted you had it. Its like the case where a beer truck driver had a wreck, beer all over the road. He picked up a beer and started drinking. He got arrested for drunk in public but they could not prove he had been drinking at the time of the accident so no DUI.

[@kevinjohnson3925]

@@JWG2014 I live un Ohio. So, only moderate tyranny.

[@Sheridantank]

Not picking that fight isn’t a good answer. It’s our responsibility to not follow unconstitutional laws. This sheep mentality is leading American on a one way path. Businesses have the right to ask you to leave, but it can not be a crime to just be there. The only acceptable charge is trespassing if you refuse to leave. The same mentality is what allows places like Chicago and Detroit to get overrun with crime. The law may say you can’t own a gun but you’re a fool and a sheep if you follow it. Criminals don’t follow the law. Anyone who’s charged for “illegally carrying a weapon” is unjustly imprisoned and therefore the arresters are kidnappers and should be treated as such.

[@TeamTnA44]

Start a data base of all such places and locations . Then don't patronize. Good idea?

[@farmerdude3578]

If the laws say no guns? Why do you see police walk right past the sign? They have a gun on there side when doing so. I see no BUT on that sign. A gun is a gun.

[@JWG2014]

Law enforcement is except from permits, their POST status is their permit / option. I had collage class on Maxwell AFB, the people that lived on base cant have a gun in their homes on base but a city cop in uniform could carry her weapon on her side, on base. .. its weird

[@dragonf1092]

People need to stop misleading people about signs,no citizen has the legal right to deprive another American citizen of any rights (liberties) protected under the constitution of the united states of America supreme law of the land whether they are on private or public property whatsoever to do so is a crime. A policy is a custom applicable under title 18 U.S.C. section 242 deprivation of rights under color of law, and it's a crime under title 18 U.S.C. section 241 conspiracy against rights. U.C.C. 1-308 all rights reserved with prejudice, Freedom of speech.

[@Sheridantank]

Mass non compliance, plain and simple. That’s the only answer. If you’re asked to leave a private business you have to leave, but being a criminal for it is beyond unconstitutional. If I’m arrested for an unconstitutional law I have been kidnapped and am being held against my will and will treat my captives accordingly. These laws need to stop. If I’m carrying a gun in “no gun zone” and defend my life from someone else with a gun, no jury or judge in their right mind is going to find me guilty. It’s anti human. If the laws can be proven so arbitrary we shouldn’t have to follow them. It’s our responsibility not to as citizens and the places job to understand the constitution and not enforce such laws.

[@dragonson72]

And a business has the right to refuse service for any reason, end of story.

[@naomiorozco5894]

As someone who mostly stays in gunfree zones, id say please respect the sign 🤷

[@georgehathcoat4011]

Wave bye bye.

[@fredsummerhays9910]

Go about your business,when you are off premises,ask politely about the policy Concealed carry is just that,no one else needs to know.Leave the BIG CAJONES home.

[@jimcarter6669]

If it is a public business, why does a owner have the right to circumvent your 2nd amendment rights when the government can not? Says "shall not be infringed" exactly. I believe none of these signs should be legal in a public business because of that. Besides, if it is concealed, why should the owner care? It is well known that crooks do not obey laws to begin with, of course.

[@dragonson72]

A business has the right to refuse service for any reason

[@jimcarter6669]

@@dragonson72 true, but a business does not have the right to add, amend, restrict, inventory, increase, subtract, or otherwise modify the law. Its a tricky situation. Need to think on it more

[@againstit224]

It's their property.

[@melvinmathis783]

To much talk and don't explain anything just get to the point with less talk

[@VincentSmith1776]

No actual information presented. Typical lawyerly 'it depends' commentary...

[@opoponaxfreetoshus296]

That's because it's true. What may be the law in one state, or even city, may and is often different in another. The thing you should have taken away from this video is that if you're on notice that a gun isn't allowed on a given premises, then you can, at minimum be told to leave.

[@VincentSmith1776]

I'm not saying you are incorrect - just my reaction to the video that might help someone else from suffering thru it to receive no information.

[@kurzification]

I was told by a lawyer that it implies a company policy, not law. Just like no shirt, no shoes, no service. If they see you carrying a firearm and ask you to leave and you refuse, that is when you’ve broken the law and not just a company policy. Of course I mean for private establishments, not the obvious no carry zones like hospitals, government buildings etc..

[@ak-488]

Key words" If they SEE you carrying a gun",

[@radiohobbyist13]

Another good reason to do your shopping ONLINE. I don't see any signs like that on the Amazon website. Stuff gets delivered right to my door for LESS money. They can have the local mall.

[@swarupnandi8468]

If any person thinks that weapons is a symbol of violence then that person absolutely wrong weapons is not a symbol of violence terrorist is a symbol of violence weapons is used for protection and toy guns is used for playing by a children's and metal gun keychain is people talking as a gun model.

[@dragonson72]

It's a symbol of protection as long as you are willing to take another human life in the protection of yourself or another if not then a gun has no purpose

[@1scottburns]

Bottomline when arrested or approached be respectful and DONT TALK TO COPS!

[@kevinlukasalan6576]

I hate to be this person, but in Indiana those signs hold no value whatsoever. No legal action can be taken. I do believe, the most that can happen is this. They ask you to leave and inform you about the sign, you informed them that holds no value, they call the police and went you trespassed. If you then return after being trespassed you get arrested. Although I usually do obey those signs, there's absolutely nothing to do in my town. The mall is the only thing to do, and it's full of teenagers and criminals and I feel more comfortable carrying

[@Scott-rw1xw]

What happened to the legislation in Ohio that was going to make violating one of those signs no longer a misdemeanor?

[@tomquagliata9381]

I’m not suspending my constitutional right for a translucent sight on a door. I’m willing to endure whatever consequences might be in store.

[@TexasPapa13]

❤

[@longgone9869]

That's all well and good but why are you doing business with a company that takes an anti-gun position? Why would you want to give them your money? Is it so they can make contributions to the Joe Biden campaign?

[@ladamyre1]

In Florida at least, sign or no sign, carrying a firearm into a health care establishment is a felony, unless you are a police officer or are hired by the facility as an armed guard.

[@larrypatterson3957]

I don’t know about other “insurance” companies, but CCWsafe will not cover you in a deadly force incident inside a CFZ.

[@CitizenCarrier]

Know the laws in your state. Unless it is written in the states statutes that it’s a prohibited area to carry, those signs are suggestions. I see those signs, and exercise my right and carry anyway. The most they can do is trespass you. Which is fine with me. If a business wants to TRY to trample my rights and want to ban me from their place of business, that’s okay. I’ll trade somewhere else. Here’s the key people……just don’t suck at concealing.

[@nicolecurran9844]

I had a similar issue at a mall. they did not have signs on the door. they had a big plaque hidden in a spot you'd never see without looking for it, and in small print said no guns. My weopean became exposed and they tried to eject me from the facility as we were leaving a cop just happened by seen me be escorted by security and stopped to investigate. Cop informed them their sign was not proper and I was well with in my right to be there. The cop educated on what they needed to do to up hold that policy. They still haven't put up signs.

[@dragonf1092]

No gun sign is free speech nothing more a sign is not law. U.C.C. 1-308 all rights reserved with prejudice, Freedom of speech.

[@matthewd.1805]

Personally, I just don't care. It's unlikely to be the only law I ignore that week.

[@barrybirkey3282]

if you're conceal carrying, no one knows you have a firearm. If cops are called on you, you obviously aren't concealed correctly.

[@Loadrunner620]

A rule not a law. Might get banned from property but not arrested

[@genej501]

The whole idea of concealed carry is that nobody sees it. Think about that

[@johnsilver7150]

So is it against the LAW or NOT to enter where a sign is up????

[@catfishjohn56]

the big ? can these people take your 2a rights

[@ghentforce2020]

How does that sign trump the constitution?

[@michaelhayes7471]

Ah hell I don't read to good I thought it said no dogs allowed

[@Godisgood13208]

What about a no guns.. but there is a cop in the place with one?

[@MattHelmSA]

Eli Dicken, I will follow his lead. LOL

[@stevenwoodward4974]

Attemted to stop a rape and was jailed 2 months.