Rundown of Michigan's Gun Laws - Ep. 5.400

[@jerryguerra348]

I am glad you brought up this subject. Many of these state laws are counter to the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA for short) law 99-308. In the FOPA, States are not allowed to have a registration of guns nor have or maintain a list of people that own guns. Also the interstate transportation is not prohibited. There are other subjects covered by the FOPA that many States are violating.

[@plumbertothestarsify]

Its funny how cops will think you are breaking the law because they say the law doesn't allow for it... i.e. open carry. To be sure, some cops haven"t been taught that if there is no law against something, that something is totally legal.

[@andoriannationalist3738]

They will push around the ignorant and the poor because they know they will get away with it. Also lawyers LOVE gray areas. That’s where they make their $.

[@SpiralDesignWorks]

I did not know Michigan had a pistol registration. Why would we want the government to know what guns you have and why is that any of their business.

[@AndreasInGreer]

I wish a lawyer, instructor, or police officer from each state would make and post such a video as this about his or her respective's state gun laws. Very informative.

[@thundergod97]

Found this to be a valuable video since I live in Michigan on the western side. I don't currently own any guns, but learning about your local laws is always a good thing. Thank you I'm wondering why, in Michigan, simply owning guns (all legally owned in MI, ranging from pistols to hunting rifles and shotguns) can be grounds for a protective order against someone. The person affected by this is not me, and this person did not brandish the guns in any way or make threats of using the owned guns. It led to him getting kicked out of his home (enforced by the police officers handling the protective order) and his wife getting to keep essentially anything of his she wanted that was still in the house. The divorce did not go well since he couldn't afford a good attorney (having spent most of his retirement already, more about that in a bit)...and he got royally screwed over. She still has many things that were his before the marriage. Oh yeah, he's now paying taxes via reductions to his social security (his only income) on the disbursements from his retirement account that went toward fixing up that house. The word "screwed" does not feel like an adequate adjective for this situation.

[@Michigan_Tactical]

As a CPL holder, I think you did an excellent job presenting this.

[@mmark6005]

The solution to assault rifles is not to do nothing the age to buy a gun should be 21 that's the age to buy a beer that's the dates them smoke cigarettes that should be the age to buy a gun. 18 and 19 year old can't handle it they shoot people when they get pissed off. Doing a background check takes a day or two if the right people can have a gun then by all means let him have the gun there's nothing wrong with a background check the Republicans objected at because gun sales might go down because the wrong person might get a gun but they don't care about that what they care about is the gun being sold so the gun lobbyists pay their campaign and make more money that's what they care about they don't care if your kids die or your brother's kid they don't give a s*** they want the gun sold and anybody putting up a cog in the machine is a no no. That's what the Republicans believe they don't care about safety kids they care about sales

[@richardy1660]

If a business doesn't allow you to carry, just don't use that business. I feel that they don't deserve my money. I live in Kansas and here, if you are a resident and legally allowed to own a pistol, you can carry it openly or concealed, no problem, and I carry EVERY day. Michigan is a little more restrictive, but they haven't gone off the deep end. CA, NY, NJ and several other states could take lessons from either Michigan or Kansas. I can hope, but I won't hold my breath. Thank you for a very well presented video.

[@kennethbowden4129]

A friend of ours was a local police officer, she would occasionally get calls about someone having a gun. She would show up and ask what the problem is. The other person would naturally say x person has a gun (usually in their car). She would reply "So". They would then ask why she isn't arresting them. To which she would reply "They aren't breaking the law". She was one of the good ones, pro gun, pro record the police treated everyone with respect from the start.

[@JeffKubel]

MCL 123.1102 is also a cool thing about Michigan. Local municipalities are preempted by MCL, so those township or city park signs that say "no firearms" are completely unenforceable and illegal themselves.

[@danav3387]

With all these laws and gun free zones how is it possible for any trouble in those places? Where do we get our other constitutional rights permits?

[@Cryptonymicus]

Gun free zones? The question YOU should be asking is how come everybody in the South has guns and yet the South leads the nation in gun violence and violent crime and practically every category of crime both by raw number and by rate.

[@danav3387]

@@Cryptonymicus You'll have to define what South you are referring to. If you are talking about Chicago Detroit and Los Angeles then I guess you're right. Those are all Democrat controlled strongholds so that probably explains everything right there

[@mr.h5436]

@@danav3387 St Louis has double the death per capita shootings over Chicago. Your fearless leaders have you right where they want you.

[@randydeherder]

Thank you for clearing some of that up! This is the best Michigan gun law video I’ve seen

[@comlbbeau]

​​"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776. My state (Georgia) used to have a "public gathering" law in regards to carrying a firearm. The interpretation of what constituted a public gathering varied from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In spite of ones best efforts in compliance, you could easily find yourself in violation depending on the attitude of the local sheriff.

[@Steve-zf8zn]

Well, that’s clear as mud. I travel in an RV six months at a time per year. Sometimes I’ll go thru 15 states with all kinds of different laws and I’m not about to leave my firearm at home. The gun laws should be universal.

[@jaidanplata8381]

International*??? U finna drive to mexico with your strap?

[@contentofcharacter]

Thank you so much for this video and for the link. I have to travel to Michigan from South Carolina in January and frankly as a concealed weapons permit holder I never go anywhere without my pistol. This definitely makes it a lot easier to know how to do that legally in Michigan.

[@wilhelmkirkpatrick]

The only gun law we need is the 2nd amendment.

[@stevelehto]

Should 5 year-olds be allowed to carry guns?

[@dcgeorge3255]

@@stevelehtoAs long as they aren't liberals, I say yes!

[@sammolloy1]

Absolutely

[@wilhelmkirkpatrick]

@@stevelehto No responsible parent who would allow a 5 year old to conceal carry irrespective of the laws. Use a 22 lr at the range in a safe controlled manor yes I have no issue what that. Govt can not legislate responsibility. In my state NJ, the old Marlin Model 60 (that held over 15 rounds) was an "assault firearm" Mr. Pelleteri won the model 60 from a out of state shooting competition sponsored by a police dpt. An unrelated search warrant turned up this "highly dangerous offensive weapon". In the courts option it declared "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril."1 NJ gun laws are so complex, full of ambiguity,traps, and very harsh punishments for the smallest of overstep. I do not trust my state elected officials to write laws pertaining to weapons. 1 State v. Pelleteri, 294 N.J. Super. 330, 683 A2d 555 (A.D. 1996).

[@stevelehto]

@@wilhelmkirkpatrick I'm just pointing out that SOME regulation is necessary. The only argument is how much. Thanks for commenting.

[@proteus404]

I am from Ontario Canada and the laws here are very different but I find myself watching your videos, you remind me of a teacher I had in high school.

[@Gibblegobblegoob]

Not planning on going to Michigan anytime soon but I am getting my ccw when I turn 21 in October I already got a nice bersa 380 picked out

[@raisinriverron]

Great video. One thing I noticed in the explanation of out of state CPL holders is the requirement of reciprocity with the state that issued the CPL. Do you have a video on Michigan “castle law”?

[@goaway3717]

Great video Steve. When deciding which state I'm going to move to, one of the few reasons I decided to NOT move to Michigan was the registration requirements on handgun owners. I'll just content myself with the occasional visit.

[@red9man2130]

yep Michigan Handgun Laws are absurd! Of course Rifles and shotguns present NO Danger!

[@johncarlin6243]

Michigan actually does not have registration. It's an acquisition registry. If you bring your guns here from out of state, there is no legal need for you to do anything.

[@michiganmagneto]

Good info. Thank you. I'm going to try to print that out. So here's my situation, I recently purchased a handgun a couple of months ago. I do not have my CPL yet that is something I'm working on. I am an over-the-road truck driver. At this point I neither carry open or concealed when I am out on the road. If I was to keep the handgun in a locked safe area of semi truck and the only time that I would open it up would be wherever I am parked for the night. When I begin to resume driving it gets locked back up once again. Since I am not driving and essentially my semi truck becomes my home or domicile would that be considered legal, or illegal, or one of those gray areas where you may be in violation?

[@TheBBow]

He covered this on an RV podcast about a year ago. If I remember correctly, he said that you still have to abide by the state and local laws of the states or municipalities through which you are traveling. Edit to add link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnO7lIGJpq18kNU

[@michiganmagneto]

@@TheBBow Thanks for the link. I'll look into it.

[@cynthiarothrock4255]

You need a permit in EVERY COUNTY you travel thru.

[@michiganmagneto]

@@cynthiarothrock4255 That doesn't sound right at all. By obtaining a CPL in my state of Michigan,, that permit is honored by numerous other states according to the USCCA reciprocity map. There are a few states that do not Honor Michigan CPL. Illinois being one. Once I receive my Michigan CPL I will also be applying for an Illinois non-resident CPL in which I would be covered in all the areas that I travel through for concealed carry. I may have misunderstood what you stated but it sounded like you need a permit from every County. You travel through. Which does not make any sense. 1 permit issued by the state covers all of the counties in that state and all of the counties in the other states that honor that license. Transporting a firearm in a vehicle as long as it is in a case or a safe there is no permit or license required as long as it is out of the reach of the occupants of the vehicle.

[@Toy2Boy]

No, this is illegal in a few different ways.

[@classicroger]

I've held a license to carry(LTC) in my home state of Texas for years. It is every LTC holder's responsibility in ANY state to know the laws of a state they plan to visit. This license or permit comes with a great responsibility to uphold the laws. Even if we don't agree with them. If we don't, we are no better than those who skirt the laws.

[@cashstore1]

If you do open carry and walk down the sidewalk expect a cop to stop and check you out. People will call the cops as they drive by seeing you with the gun. The cops can be very aggressive even though what you are doing is legal. I have seen the videos on youtube in Michigan. Many of the local cops don't understand the gun laws. I like it better here in Arizona. Go to the store pick out a handgun, do the instant check, purchase the gun, buy ammo, put the ammo in the clip, put the clip in the handgun, put the gun in your pocket, and walk out. No permits needed to conceal here. I see people open carry all of the time.

[@mr.h5436]

You forgot to mention the profitable selling to Mexican cartels.

[@joebleed]

@@mr.h5436 you mean the FFLs that were forced to sell to people they didn't want to during the government run fast and furious operation?

[@byronwatkins2565]

Every state agreed to abide by the U.S. Constitution when they joined the union. For every state except the original 13 colonies, this included the Second Amendment. Yet every state has allowed and passed state and local laws contradicting the Second Amendment. The U.S. government fought a civil war and several more recent military actions to enforce the rights of African descendants. The U.S. government regularly requires state laws to be adapted into compliance with the Bill of Rights w.r.t. free speech, arrest protocols, equal treatment, self-incrimination, etc. But instead of enforcing this part of the U.S. Constitution as they each have sworn to do, U.S. officials also pass "legislation" that infringe upon this "unalienable right." The U.S. Constitution provides within itself the ONLY way it may be amended and no amendment has ever altered the original text of the Second Amendment. I really wish someone could explain to me why the U.S. Constitution can be ignored and abused in this way. And why should we have ANY faith that the remaining "unalienable rights" will not soon be countermanded and disregarded once the state militias thus have their teeth pulled.

[@shaneflannery6779]

Simple answer is 2A trumps all, as you know. A people that doesnt assert and defend there rights neither deserves them nor keeps them. Form or join a militia. Be a force that cant be bullied and be ready to fight till the end for your rights. That's the only way to push back the tyranny of today.

[@Romans12.2Saves]

Because the SCOTUS “interpretations” of the constitution. Even though the framers argued about how the document was written, what is interesting to me is how it’s in plain English for anyone to understand yet it can still be twisted by the judges it’s just a little confusing to me I hope Steve Lehto can read this and maybe respond I would like to see his opinion on it

[@warrenpuckett4203]

Funny part Michigan does mention those 3 letter agencies and carrying the US government issued pistol. Like my niece. She carries in airports and on aircraft.. It is somewhere handy at all times.

[@7westwill]

I just having 1 question that "NO ONE" seems to be able to or refuses to answer everytime I ask it. As a Michigan resident aswell as a CPL holder if and when I approach by a police officer for what ever reason (let's say a traffic stop for example) and I notify them that Iam carrying a firearm per the law is there a LAW which allows them to confiscate my firearm during the meeting just because they want to feel safe? If there is could you let me know which law it is? I've asked a handful of police and of course they all claim that yes there is but not a single one can tell me the actual law. I dont care about their department policy. POLICY IS NOT LAW!! I ask this because surrendering my firearm to a police officer and a stranger (I dont know if this person is having a bad day something) has now given them 2 firearms and none for me to defend myself should the situation arise.

[@kenc2257]

I've not heard of law enforcement confiscating weapons on a whim. In CA--for example--if you are in a vehicle accident, and you go to the hospital (in an ambulance, for example), before your car is towed away, the police will look in your vehicle, and secure/take any firearms (for security). Depending on the circumstances, it can be quite a job to get your firearms back/returned to you [you might have to ask, in writing, and pay a fee, etc.]. If you never ask for your weapons back, the police can destroy them, after a while. Hopefully, if you were somehow unable to communicate, the police wouldn't destroy a really expensive firearm (like an old Purdey shotgun)--but try to get it back to your relatives.

[@Toy2Boy]

Yes, Mich police have the right to detain you at their discretion at any time talking with you, and yes take immediate possession of your firearm, pencil, shoes or almost anything else that makes them slightly uncomfortable. Yes, that is backed by common law at minimum, and plenty of court cases supporting it.

[@timkies4760]

I just saw a youtube video of some Michigan dude who said he got a Florida CCW permit, and now he no longer registers his pistols with Michigan, since he is exempt as he has an out of state CCW. Right here, you just proved him wrong, with the 180 days residence clause. I knew that it could not be legal, just didn't know why. Also, I always figure when talking about gun laws and gray areas, stick to the side of safety, since it is a long, long time to spend even a single day in a federal prison, and I don't want any part of it. We may not like a particular law, but I know for certain that I would not like prison more. Thanks for this post, even if I came across it late. I am following the link, to check for updates now.

[@otm646]

Your analysis is incorrect. This has been discussed at length by multiple lawyers within Michigan who specialize in gun law. Go read 28.432 (1)(f)

[@Orionsthehunter]

Thank you Steve, you answered several questions I had. I moved from the Wayne County area thirty years ago but still visit friends there and have wondered what the requirements are since I have a valid carry permit here in Tennessee. Love all of your videos, it kind of takes me back, although I have no desire to move back. Thank you again.

[@kylegilbertson2401]

Keep up the good work. We camp in MI all the time and enjoy the knowledge you impart. You would be welcome on our campsite anytime.

[@footfeathers]

Great video. I recently had to study up on MI (and all the states I drove through) gun laws when I visited my mom.

[@AdventureswithLogan60]

Any State making up their own gun laws is wrongly doing so, they cannot go against our constitution or our rights .

[@gerrygilmore4337]

How would you like to do a video on possession of guns in travel trailers, motor homes and in semi trucks which are both, motor vehicle and a temporary home. I live in Temoerance Mich. and mostly interested in Mich law. Thanks Gerry

[@johnp139]

Gerry Gilmore especially in RV’s!

[@caliveteranOIF]

Terribly saddened to hear to what happened at the school in Oxford. Do you have a video on Michigan Firearm storage laws? Particular pertaining to one’s residence.

[@otm646]

In Michigan there are no storage laws on the books.

[@caliveteranOIF]

@@otm646 Happy Freedom

[@williamwallace176]

Texas has a small 72 page booklet which addresses the gun issue. It is available from the Texas Dept. of Public Safety for a small fee. Because the Texas legislature meets only every other year the booklet is usually behind current laws by at least one year. I have been legally carrying for about two decades and there are few places I can not carry. ie. the US Post Office, and any private property IF there is a posted sign at the entrance. There are requirements regarding the size and location of the sign. The booklet includes a list of illegal weapons such as any knife over 5.5 inches long...and Yes, Steve's saber is considered illegal to carry in Texas. Texas has an open carry law, but I have no interest in open carry. Open carry. to me, is like going into an all night store at 3:00 AM with sign on your shirt which says "Shoot me First".

[@BrianDaleNeeley]

A sheriff's posse? Does the law define that anywhere, and does the sheriff himself (or herself) have to organize it, or can a deputy (or a police officer for that matter), call up or otherwise organize a posse?

[@sthomaslewis]

What part of the phrase "shall not be infringed" does Michigan not understand?

[@Freespirit5371]

S. Thomas Lewis The Second Amendment originally applied only to the federal government, leaving the states to regulate weapons as they saw fit. In the District of Columbia v. Heller and in McDonald v. the City of Chicago, the courts technically ruled only that government may not ban the possession of handguns by civilians in their homes. Heller tentatively suggested a list of “presumptively lawful” regulations, including bans on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, bans on carrying firearms in “sensitive places” such as schools and government buildings, laws restricting the commercial sale of arms, bans on the concealed carry of firearms, and bans on weapons “not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.”

[@jjs9390]

I guess you missed the "well regulated" part.

[@tracyolsen5715]

@@jjs9390, perhaps you should do a little research on what that actually meant in context.

[@sthomaslewis]

@@jjs9390 Well regulated means being well-trained, not government regulated. The people need to be well-armed to protect themselves from a tyrannical government, so having the government regulate firearms would be a conflict of interest.

[@jjs9390]

@@tracyolsen5715 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts rou- tinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. For exam- ple, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws impos- ing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms"

[@jlcougilljr]

awesome video Steve!!! Michigan's gun laws seem to be alot like ours here in Indiana for the most part. one of my biggest gripes in life are all the varying gun laws state by state, especially california which i won't even give light too. i've always wondered how New York City can forbid carry when our second amendment right is of higher order? AND THEN! we have the major current issue of "resiprosity" rights and carry. i'm somewhat lucky in the fact that my father and grandmother are retired and live in Florida and most of the states between Indiana and Florida (at least if traveling on I75) recognize each others state personal concealed carry permit,and thank god for it. as an Indiana lifetime personal protection permit holder i don't carry much around locally just for the simple fact that i don't go places where i feel i need to conceal carry,but, when traveling i will conceal carry for sure. Indiana had an issue 5-6 years ago regarding carry on place of work property and our state legislature passed law upholding our right to be able to have our firearm at our place of work but limited to it being locked in our vehicle in the parking lot whether the property or business owner restricts posession inside the workplace. at the end of the day, there's way to much varying crap from state to state and verses federal law as well. but hey!, it wouldn't be America or the American legal system without all the bullshit and confusion would it-lolol??? i reckin' it keeps a lot of lawyers busy and making money-lol. anyway, god bless America and you to Steve Lehto for all the great(educational and informative) content you give us. i truely appreciate the time you put into the content-so thank you!

[@CaptainRon1913]

I'd like to hear you address the registration grey area. 28.422 requires registration of a pistol. But 28.432 is Inapplicability of MCL 28.422. And 28.432(f) Janet Kukuk act says, "A United States citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state". I have a MI CPL, but I also have a CPL from another state, does that mean I don't have to register a pistol in MI? Since the law states "only residents of michigan can purchase a pistol", where does that leave 28.432(f)? Why is it even there as an exemption if this is the case?

[@TheRyanDude]

I'd like to hear clarification on this too also would registration be required when the cpl in the other state expired

[@TheOkami1]

Would like clarification on this as well please.

[@GadgetOFreak]

Clear as mud! Thanks for all your videos!!!

[@The_Privateer]

blah blah blah... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Hmm... Ever get the feeling that "licensing" is just a fancy term for "We're going to take this right away from you, but if you give us money, you can have it back." Not just with the guns and the Second Amendment, but a lot of other things too.

[@samoksner]

Licenses are generally "rights with conditions" combined with "money grab in this amount I just made up" Now that's not a bad thing, many things in society should require a barrier to entry, can you imagine road safety if it was just free to drive for anyone?

[@SuckerFreeGear]

@@samoksner Honestly I don't think driving conditions would be that bad after driving on roads in third world countries like India. I am willing to accept that type of loss of security for freedom especially when it comes to my right to self defense.

[@zososldier]

Purchase permit or license with a registry? Hard no.

[@bluntly2165]

Looks like this is gonna have to be updated in a couple months

[@austinbenesh1193]

I wasn't driving. I was travelling to the gun store.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

I do not go anywhere I can not carry legally. The exception is hospital or legally required to enter. I avoid gun free zones. Pretty much nothing happens in gun toting zones for some reason. Maybe the up to no goods don't like the idea of a 2 way shooting range? Most of my neighbors are veterans. AKA highly trained killers. You might want to behave in this part of the hood.

[@thumper4068]

Serves him right for living in MD. (Enemy territory.) Mr. Lehto, been watching your videos for a while, finally subscribed. Especially liked you tutorial on what and what not to do in a traffic stop. You do good work.

[@tompinnef6331]

Thank you for the link - since I have a IL and Utah CCW permits. I do carry in your state when I visit. Thank you for your video. Spin

[@danperry3116]

Michigan no longer requires a permit to purchase a handgun. However you are required to go through a nics process, (background check) and possession of a cpl does not exempt you from the background check any longer.

[@johncarlin6243]

You are correct with a purchase through an FFL, a private purchase still needs a "permit to purchase" or a CPL.

[@chrisstrefling6193]

Incorrect. I was told today by a ffl if you don't have a cpl you have to go to police post pay for a purchase permit then come back and do the 4473/ nice background check. Basically making people without a cpl go through multiple background checks

[@tracyolsen5715]

Some time ago I emailed asking about building a handgun and if there is a requirement to fill out the RI-060 registration certificate upon completion but never got an answer. I would love to hear your thoughts on that subject as State Police (that I am aware of) advise people to fill out the RI-060 when making a handgun/pistol but there is no actual legal requirement to do so unless the handgun/pistol is transferred to someone. That also brings in question the legality of lying on the form to say you transferred it (to yourself?). The pamphlet you are reading has some upsetting and misleading content in it that will hopefully be addressed by MSP in the near future. Thank you for finally doing a comprehensive video on gun law!

[@Athonite]

It is possible to skip handgun registration legally. Obtain an out-of-state CCW/CPL and you are gtg. miopencarry.org/news/2015/06/Opt-Out-Of-Handgun-Registration

[@tracyolsen5715]

@@Athonite, I am talking about specifically when you build an AR pistol or P80 or some other personal manufacture of handgun.

[@paulhester1904]

Is there an updated you tube on this subject?

[@davebruce4722]

A few things have changed since the MSP issued that Update back in 2010. Green Cards are long gone replaced by the RI-060 forms. I would also check www.handgunlaw.us/ in addition to that Update from the MSP.

[@chrisclark5204]

The legal update needs to be updated because a person is no longer required to obtain a purchase permit to buy a pistol. Also I think you should have included the last paragraph that states, Officers are also reminded there is no general duty for a citizen to identify himself or herself to a police officer unless the citizen is being stopped for a Michigan Vehicle Code violation.

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

The AG’s opinion needs to be given in any jury trial as a jury instruction for deliberation

[@doedoe02]

Any updated laws in Michigan concerning cpl, red flag laws and open carry laws 2022?

[@edwardsmall6916]

5:30 I live in Michigan. If a law enforcement officer enters my property, may I tell him that he cannot bring his gun?

[@dairadior5606]

Update please....

[@reedgrele6673]

CT now has a law that requires ANYONE who has an order of protection against them to surrender their firearms for a period of one year. Makes no difference whether or not there was a threat of physical violence involved. You could have harassed someone by sending e-mails or letters requesting payment of a bill. If said person reports you to the police as harassing them, and gets a protective order issued against you, you'll have to surrender your firearms and any carrying permit to the state for a year!

[@Cryptonymicus]

Getting orders of protection ain't as easy as the NRA wants you to believe.

[@Cryptonymicus]

@@MickeyD2012 And I could make up a hundred stories that prove the reverse is true.

[@mr.h5436]

If the lives saved by this(mostly girlfriends,wives and their children) doesn't matter to you....

[@geraldtakala1721]

Sheriffs posse is volunteer deputies who are on horseback during their duties as officers eg providing security for certain events or surchases

[@richardy1660]

I live in Kansas and am occasionally in Oklahoma. Because Kansas has Constitutional carry and Oklahoma recognizes other state"s carry laws, I can carry in Oklahoma without a Kansas permit, as long as I have an ID showing I am a Kansas resident. It should be like this everywhere.

[@markdandeneau2636]

"Should be", could be a costly assumption. I shiver when I think about the assumptions I once had on this subject.

[@jonathanmcmullen3324]

We have constitutional carry now too

[@TNBuckeye1617]

License to Purchase/Transport/Carry a pistol? I live in the Free State of Tennessee, there are no licenses to purchase firearms. There’s a background check and we have a Carry Permit; ironically to the “Free State” comment above, open carry is generally not permissible except with a Carry Permit. However, TN has expanded the Castle Doctrine to enclosed vehicles (yours or your spouse’s), temporary residences (ie, tents), businesses, etc., so its a lot easier for an unlicensed/permitted individual to transport their guns (just don’t have the gun on your person in your and/or your spouse’s enclosed vehicle). What I’ve really taken from this video is that Michigan has probably been added to the list of states that I’m generally unwilling to visit.

[@red9man2130]

I was Born and grew up in Michigan I could write VOLUMES about stupid laws in Michigan!

[@paulb719]

is it legal to carry a black powder pistol openly and conceal in Michigan

[@playsportfun3356]

ATF says it's legal to possess a homemade /80% firearm without registration. My question is, is there any issue carrying one with a valid CPL in Michigan. ATF recommends you put some sort of marking but does not require a serial number.

[@bigk5220]

I believe Michigan requires registration of all pistols 80% or not. They also require that firearms have serial #'s. So if you make an 80% AR you have to put a serial number on it. I know a guy who was convicted for not having a SN on his 80% AR. He got caught by the DNR.

[@playsportfun3356]

@@bigk5220 the law doesn't state 80%. It states homemade. 80% are homemade. So your saying Michigan requires serial numbers on homemade also? And thank you for responding. I guess to avoid a hassle, I should surrender my rights to the system. Isn't that how they want it to work?

[@pennyrobinson4266]

Thanks for breaking this down. Michigan has new gun laws that went into effect in Feb. 2024.

[@acarale]

how do you show an out of state pistol buyers license if no such license exists in your state

[@CaudilloSilovik]

Such licenses do exist in a few states. Tennessee is one such state. You can be from California, go to Tennessee and get a concealed carry license that is only good in Tennessee and one or two other states. I think Arizona is one of the tother states. Michigan is not. California is not.

[@RickinICT]

Russell Scott it’s a moot point. You cannot buy a handgun in a state in which you do not reside. Therefore, if you live in Michigan, get a Michigan buyer’s license and buy the pistol. If you don’t live in Michigan, you can’t buy a handgun there unless you have an FFL, in which case I don’t think you need a buyer’s license.

[@tartarus12]

When I took my cpl class the officer didn’t want to admit the technicality in the law that allows cpl holders to open carry in a school. I would advise against doing it but it is legal.

[@arneservatius1982]

I’ve pulled my. Pistol 3 times. Saved my life did not pull the trigger. Just showing the gun and standing my ground was enough. Never want to shoot.

[@lowellwhite1603]

I have a question. You said that you cannot concealed carry in a theater with more than 2400 seats. I often visit a multiplex where each theater has no more than 1,000 seats but the the total of the several theaters has well over 2400 seats. SO, can I carry in a multiplex as long as the seating in, theater number 5 has less than the limit?

[@larrydaniel1537]

@@jesuschristislord77733 This replay doesn't make sense. Who carries 2400 rounds? He is asking is a multiplex constitutes one theater when considering the legal seat count. I do agree with you intention however because, on the surface, it seems like Lowell is trying to find a loophole, but I'm in no position to judge the situation. To me the word multiplex and movie theater are interchangeable. Having multiple auditoriums in a movie theater doesn't constitute multiple seat counts. One building, one business, one total seat count.

[@jpadgett0023]

Diksaca Yehovah are you dumb? Ppl that can’t read shouldn’t have a gun.

[@bigk5220]

I believe they are referring to the total seats in the building, so it would count all the theaters together.

[@jrsmth11]

@@jpadgett0023 I think it was a joke...like, what an asinine law. How arbitrary that the number of seats matters? What if the establishment has SEATING capacity of 1000 but maximum OCCUPANCY of 5000? I guess it only matters if they can all sit down? 🙄

[@cwbwoodchip]

I just moved here and have several pistols do I have to get them registered if so how does one do that please had no idea I had to do so

[@Athonite]

You can skip pistol registration. Just get a CCW/CPL from another state, such as Arizona. miopencarry.org/news/2015/06/Opt-Out-Of-Handgun-Registration

[@RickinICT]

cwbwoodchip “I have just moved to Michigan from another state. How much time do I have to register my pistols? MCL 28.422 Upon establishing legal residency, you should immediately contact your local law enforcement agency, pass the background check, and complete the License to Purchase form. In the “seller’s” box, you will note “Purchased in the State of _____” and sign your name.” From city-chelsea.org/Portals/0/Website%20Content/Police/Gun%20Permit%20FAQ.pdf If you’ve been living there a while already, you might want to have a consultation with an attorney before contacting law enforcement about getting the pistols registered in your name just in case there might be any problems. I’m not an attorney, and I would advise against taking any legal advice from anyone online, *ESPECIALLY* if that person is telling you to just ignore a law because they’ve found a super secret loophole to get around it.

[@cwbwoodchip]

RickinICT thank you

[@Athonite]

@@RickinICT Read the link. No "super secret loophole". It's statute, now backed by Attorney General Bill Schuette. The pistol registry is a TRANSACTION database, not a possession database. miopencarry.org/news/2018/06/Major-Registration-Paradigm-Shift Bill Schuette Opinion www.ag.state.mi.us/opinion/datafiles/2010s/op10383.htm

[@Mukinrestak]

I'm sad to hear that Michigan's gun laws are so absurdly restrictive. My state went constitutional carry and crime went DOWN.

[@mr.h5436]

The good news is that crime has fallen for the country for many years.

[@KTawes1217]

Assuming you're not in Illinois?

[@mr.h5436]

@@KTawes1217 just google Illinois crime rate

[@mendezmike101]

Very good information. Have you heard anything about bill 4029? I’ve heard it passed through the house but pending on The House Senate??

[@889976889]

I’m really confused on the out of state carry laws it says if you have a license in your state you can carry as long as you follow Michigan laws. That’s really odd looking at my reciprocity map Michigan isn’t on there really confused why they say they honor out of state residents with permits in their state but mine isn’t on there 🤔

[@atticstattic]

"I wasn't driving, I was moving my gun...."

[@samoksner]

Well done fellow traveler, got a good chuckle from that lol

[@MonoGmc]

Notice how they don’t allow them in church’s or theater’s but we have seen multiple shootings here in those exact locations 🤦‍♂️

[@trevoryqt]

An “authorized official” can OK carry in a church

[@bu11fr0g4x]

Nearly all public shootings happen in "gun free zones".

[@danielwilcox6307]

Imagine if banks were governed to not have a safe on site. More robberies would be encouraged at these financial institutions. Same goes for gun free zones.

[@user-wm9hm3pe1p]

Walmart and Meijer look for the stickers they're everywhere.

[@MonoGmc]

@@trevoryqt Never seen one at a church.

[@brianschumaker5912]

If I see a business with a no firearms sign on the door, I turn around and walk away. I'll take my business elsewhere.

[@cryptoace007]

@Steve Lehto CONGRATULATIONS!! i just noticed you hit 70k subscribers

[@stevelehto]

I just noticed too! Thanks.

[@spazzCAPP]

I cant say I approve of many of these laws, but I thank you for the accurate and concise information.

[@mr.2cents.846]

Wherever guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[@mikemcilvoy516]

i have my Arkansas ccl and when i took my classes one of the things they told you was if you have your ccl you can not open carry. it has been a few year since i got my ccl and they have changed the open carry law so i dont know if it changed for ccl. im not a big fan of open carry but i do see people doing it. with open carry i know who has a gun with my ccl no one knows i have mine. keep up the great job i enjoy your channel.

[@lewkar1658]

Steve, can you update this video please?

[@alb.dersame]

What you said about open carry here in Michigan, is Exactly what I was told by a Clinton Twp police officer a few years ago. When asked, he said yes, you can walk to a local gas station, buy something and walk back home (for example) he said ... "But" if George saw that you were open carrying, and asked you to leave the premises, then you would have to leave. I rarely open carry, unless I'm walking to the store or something (which is rare for me, it's too much like work,lol). I walked up to a party store last week, a few blocks from my house. The owner looked and said, "is that thing Iive?" I said well, not chambered, but yes, it's real. He paused, and said ok. That was it. He knows me as a regular there. I'm always very careful not to even let my shirt cover the holster. That's concealed, of course. I've never had a problem with open carry. I didn't know that a Co2 BB gun was considered a weapon because of the Co2 cartridge. Glad I learned about that ! I'm still wondering if Michigan is going to pass a law, that if we are able to open carry, there is a chance that we can get a cpl, without jumping through the hoops. I haven't heard anything more about that. The sad thing in today's world, is that the only ones who can carry in gun free zones, are the psycho's of the world ! People are setting ducks 🦆 with no way to defend themselves. I'll never understand that, as long as I live ! Fish in a barrel !!! Thanks for the help Steve ... "You Rock"

[@HaitianAddy]

Do you need a cpl to own a gun , just to keep it in the house?

[@alb.dersame]

@@HaitianAddy i believe that it depends on which state you live in. Michigan is an open carry state, I'm not sure about the laws in other states. But I doubt that it's illegal to have one for home protection. My gun stays under my pillow every single night.

[@deant876]

I have a gun law question. As you know we in Michigan can look across body's of water and see Canada. When someone is out on a boat can they have possession (provided they can on land) of a hand gun?

[@stevelehto]

I'm not aware of any laws on that being land-specific. Just remember that there is a boundary out there, on the water. You may be legal on the Mich/US side of the dotted line - but not on the Canada side.

[@deant876]

I was not sure if there was any kind of stupid law because you have easy access to Canada

[@allegannews9256]

Steve Lehto Are you in Canada if you have not landed on land and passed through boarder. I have flown over many countries and never landed in them.

[@cbk-te7ru]

@ Canadians are too polite to just take the bootyhole virginity..... They ask politely Eh.... 😏

[@Toy2Boy]

@@allegannews9256 - The waterways between the USA and Canada are generally split in half. IF you are on Canada's half, you are subject to ALL their laws.

[@jeffholm3503]

Retired to rural Michigan from California. Found many Michigan laws either odd or confusing including firearm laws. But at least we are a shall issue state for CPL licensing. Thanks for covering this subject. The “may be in violation” depends on the jurisdiction...

[@TheyJustCallMeB]

Next video should be knife/sword laws featuring the Rapala and cavalry saber

[@stephanygates6491]

Is it open carry if openly holstered while riding a bicycle? I read in the statute a vehicle defined so broadly it includes wheelbarrows and furniture dollies.

[@Toy2Boy]

Yes, that is standard open carry, very common.

[@125AXer]

Steve, It seems as though there is a definite need for an updated version of this video!

[@HaitianAddy]

What if you don’t have a cpl, can you keep a firearm in your house without the cpl??

[@RenoTG24]

Yes

[@HaitianAddy]

TrackGod Reno thank you 🙏

[@red9man2130]

yes.

[@TheGarrh]

KY recently put into law, Constitutional Carry. Meaning as long as you are legal to purchase, you can carry concealed or unconcealed without a permit. Kentucky considers that you as a legal person to own a gun have a constitutional right to carry as you wish. Now they still do issue Concealed Carry Permits if someone wishes to obtain one. Let's say I do not want to have an actual permit but I am carrying using my constitutional carry. Since Kentucky considers the Constitution your permit, could one come to Michigan and use the Constitutional carry from Kentucky? Because Michigan says as long as you have a permit from another state they will allow it. Kentucky says your permit is the Constitution. Could I carry a pocket Constitution with me in Michigan along with my concealed handgun as an out-of-state resident?

[@shelbyz1988]

@Nathanael Mcgarrh SD just did as well, the short answer is no. The state still issues permits for the purpose of reciprocity. If you have a valid permit and travel to a state that recognizes your state’s permit then you’re good. I’m maintaining my permit specifically so that I can travel out of state with my gat. I’m good to go in 32 states I think, I’d have to look at the map.

[@jdaz5462]

I used to live in Michigan. Arizona is where I have been for 17 years. We are free of most of those nonsense laws!

[@donabrahamson7922]

Stay alert

[@jerrodwilliams6789]

Open carry causes so much controversy and public panic. I like the element of surprise

[@natec599]

Only police and idiots open carry. Just making yourself a target. In Alaska there is no panic but it’s still stupid.

[@julieludwig8927]

Just recently found you. I live in Michigan just north of Indiana. Could you do another firearms video on Cannabis Growers possessing firearms. Previous to December, 2018 when Recreational Cannabis became law, it was not recommended that Cannabis Growers possess a firearm cuz if LARA "popped you" they could add "while possessing a firearm" to any Cannabis charges. To those outside of Michigan this might sound confusing on it's own.....sorry in advance.

[@GrandpaRust]

Your from Sturgis?

[@spropp6083]

An armed society is a polite society. Thomas Jefferson

[@rickieodem488]

Michigan's laws seem to be rational compared to many other states. The only glaring disconnect that I see is that there is no law against carrying an unconcealed weapon on your person, until you get in a car, then it's against the law. That's a little strange. Thanks for the video!

[@rickieodem488]

@ It's already "infringed" in so many different ways. Many of the constraints make sense, but some are holdovers from regulations that were never well thought out. Cops and prosecutors often take advantage of them, and as Steve often says, it takes a professional lawyer to keep you out of harm's way. I for one keep my attorney's business card right next to my CCL in my wallet.

[@donabrahamson7922]

We have to register all handguns. Not reasonable.

[@scottytherambler6919]

Solution is carry it open outside the vehicle then properly stow it before proceeding to travel.

[@kenabi]

750.231a's unlicensed trunk/not accessible basically mirrors the federal transport regulations, barring the feds say locked container explicitly, and ammo separate from the firearm (not in the same case/container).

[@msfitoyfactory4692]

Thanks for the great vid Steve...btw where did you get that sinking Titanic on the shelf behind you?

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Indiana has a unique law in my opinion. I can have my firearm in my car even in school parking lots, at my place of work, and it is illegal for the company to fire me.

[@guyh4251]

I dont think it was always like that till around 10 or so years ago

[@jasonsmith5077]

A properly stored hand gun in a vehicle is on my hip in a holster loaded. Not locked in a safe in the trunk unloaded and ammo in a separate location. So dumb

[@khall187]

So true! But on the flip side can you imagine how unhinged some people would be if they had easy access to their gun during road rage incidents? I've been run down by a few psychos who had me thinking "this dude has a gun he's gonna shoot at me". But, all the more reason I should have mine. Slippery slope to navigate

[@virginiafrank317]

A quick, three-page document?

[@stevelehto]

For a gov't agency, yes. It's all a matter of context.

[@kevinlawrence9629]

So in Michigan if you find a gun, are you allowed to take possession of that gun after turning it in to law enforcement and waiting 90 days or some amount of time if it's not claimed?

[@bluntly2165]

Edited to delete.... question was for a different comment.

[@kevinlawrence9629]

@@bluntly2165 not really what o was asking. I was asking about of I happened to find a gun in a bathroom stall, of it's not claimed after turned into the police would I be able to keep it

[@bluntly2165]

@@kevinlawrence9629 sorry, I mustve clicked a different reply comment, your comment. This reply was intended for a completely different comment/question. Boy... you were probably confused.

[@MoroseMacabre]

@@kevinlawrence9629 I can't speak to that instance but I can speak to my experience in Michigan. I rented a storage unit and opened it to find contents of the last renters still inside. After contacting the rental facility they told me it had been abandoned and I could do what I wanted with it. Throwing out their trash I found a shoe box that had a revolver in it. I called the police. The officer told me to bring it to the police station. I told him I'm not walking into a police station with an unregistered firearm. The officer then asked me for the serial number and he ran it to see if it had been reportedly used in a crime. He then told me he would contact the front desk and let them know I was coming in with said firearm and I could file the paperwork to claim new ownership of it. They did a safety inspection, verified the serial number matched what I told the officer and I filed a pistol permit. I still own the revolver.

[@Panzergamingstudios]

What about the law with being a convicted felon here in MI their are some gray areas. Basically of your convicted felon in another state which was 7 years ago from your conviction for a non volient felony, and reside in MI now its seems to be 3 years you automatically get your gun rights reinstated. Is this correct. I read this under michigan law. I also believe its a 3 and 3. Meaning after after 6 years as long as all your probation is done, fines bad, etc.

[@mentalrelaxation3431]

What happens when you have a gun registered in your name put don’t have a cpl and you get pulled over and arrested? What are the possible outcomes? The gun has never been used.

[@libertarian1637]

Federal law allows for interstate transportation of firearms across state lines, including through a state wherein said weapon would be illegal to posses, such that a few conditions are met: the weapon must be legal to posses at both ends of the journey, the weapon must be locked, unloaded, with ammunition secured separately, and the journey shall be limited in stops to what is necessary. This drives some NY and NJ LEOs nuts as some are quite anti-gun. In NYS firearms laws are identified in sections 265 (crimes) and 400 (licensing) of the NYS Penal Law. Thanks to the federal district court the 7 round limit has been struck from the law which has defaulted back to 10 round magazine limits.

[@richardcassinari7026]

Like the vids greatly...question...some states allow conciled carry with no paper work based on federal and state constitutions which are laws...how would those states laws apply to Michigans laws for non residents to conciled carry in Michigan?

[@roberteltze4850]

Kansas is one such state, but even though you don't need a permit you can still get one. If you want to concealed carry in Michigan you would have to go through the trouble of taking the test to get an actual paper permit to take with you to another state.

[@vernadkins1673]

Steve can state law over ride federal law under USC?

[@vernadkins1673]

Lisa Casteel Clark Wow. That seems a bit backwards.

[@alvaroakatico9188]

“The preemption doctrine originates from the supremacy clause of Article 6 of the US Constitution. This doctrine states that any federal law, even if it is only a regulation from a federal agency, supersedes any conflicting state law, even if that law is part of the State’s constitution.”

[@MrHerrjon]

This video exemplifies how the 2nd amendment has been mortally wounded by regulation. This is true just about everywhere because you will eventually cross a legal boundary during the course of normal daily business. It is hazardous, but not impossible, to carry - remove - carry as you cross these boundaries but you risk being viewed by a gun fearing citizen and then being confronted or arrested, or worse "swatted" when the swat team is called on "a person with a gun". I am permitted within my state and my state is a lot more gun friendly than Michigan. None the less... gun control does not promote gun safety, just makes criminals out of normal citizens.

[@unisuit]

When transporting a long gun, with the Magazine detached. Does the Magazine need all ammo removed from the magazines or just separated from the long gun?

[@user-wm9hm3pe1p]

Detached with a lock on the gun

[@unisuit]

@@user-wm9hm3pe1p Thanks. Where does it say "Lock" ? I would guess a case is what's recommended by law. Still wonder if the magazine needs to empty of rounds. Thanks again.

[@user-wm9hm3pe1p]

@@unisuit the gun needs a gun lock through it. It needs to be in a box or case in the back of your vehicle completely unloaded that means magazines too. Unless you want to do jail time. It's a criminal offense plus loss of license and a fine. I called DNR this week just to target shoot in state game parks without a CCL. DNR finds this and you're fucked.

[@unisuit]

@@user-wm9hm3pe1p Rifles, shotguns, muzzleloading and other firearms must be unloaded in both barrel and magazine and enclosed in a case or equipped with and made inoperative by a manufactured keylocked trigger-housing mechanism. Or, not both.

[@malikz.762]

@@unisuit thank for the info! Can I have a rifle in the back seat while just in the case and unloaded?