Muscle Evolved: Modding a Mustang GT

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The Drive

The Drive

Күн бұрын

When it comes to cornering, the Ford Mustang has always been a bit lack luster. Factory attempts to cure this have been valiant (Boss 302, SVT Cobra R), however sometimes you need to think outside the box to get to the next level. The /BIG MUSCLE garage acquired a 2013 Mustang GT last year and were thrilled, until that is, we took it to the track. There we found Cortex Racing and with that, the understanding that with the right set of legs underneath it, even an over weight pony car can be made into an evil piece of track day weaponry.
Owner:
• /BIG MUSCLE Garage
Special thanks to:
Cortex Racing: www.cortexracin...
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@ThatDudeinBlue
@ThatDudeinBlue 11 жыл бұрын
When I first got my coyote 5.0 I said "my god this thing handles so much better than previous Mustangs I've driven." But literally everything he pointed out was true. The pan hard bar alone is definitely a weak link. Shoot, mine was bent when I replaced it. The stock springs were good for cruising but so damn bouncy around turns. Glad to see the progression of this-it was pretty cool. Great video.
@TheHeftyDanielson
@TheHeftyDanielson 11 жыл бұрын
How many of them bit where and or are on your cars shopping list?
@sukiaki96
@sukiaki96 11 жыл бұрын
Dude it's like every car video I watch you're up on the comments! Guess car enthusiasts are about it.
@VictorPitstop
@VictorPitstop 11 жыл бұрын
It is however plenty of fun to heel-toe downshift into a turn, trailbrake a little bit and pivot the Stang on that front-heavy Coyote motor! Nothing like readjusting mid-corner with a bit of throttle steer! I did this on my roomie's '14 5-Hoe and got him a bit nervous under an overpass. It was my first time driving her and I actually enjoyed it. This is all coming from someone who prefers a Miata for handling. Hahaha! Definitely a HUGE improvement from that last clunky model.
@DirtyD07
@DirtyD07 11 жыл бұрын
That's what makes it so fun. You get raw power when you want it, but the car can be figured out how to make it drive and handle decent in the corner. It's just a blast.
@4sake123
@4sake123 11 жыл бұрын
I liked your RSX vid
@CorteXracing1
@CorteXracing1 11 жыл бұрын
For those of you interested in what was done to this car for Day 2 here is the list. No welding was involved for installing this these parts. To gain clearance for the torque arm we generally remove a tab on the exhaust mid-pipe clamp to allow re-clocking which are the sparks you see in the video. For one person with a lift the installation time is about 10 hours plus alignment. We did it in 3 hours with 4 guys including a quick and dirty alignment and stopped for food and filming. After the track day Mike came back for a 4-wheel laser alignment and corner balance. Next step is big, sticky tires! 1. CorteX Xtreme-Grip street front and rear coil overs with JRi double adjustable dampers, camber plates and the ability to fit 315mm tires on all 4 corners (have not done the big tires yet). The vehicle was lowered approximately 1.5 inch. 2. CorteX Xtreme-Grip street watts link with poly bushings. 3. CorteX Adjustable street tubular rear lower control arm system with geometry correction brackets. 4. CorteX Torque arm system, which does not require aftermarket exhaust in most cases. 5. Eibach 3-position adjustable front anti roll bar. CorteX Spec rear anti roll bar that is significantly softer than the OEM bar. 6. Front drop ball joints to adjust the roll center after lowering the car and a bump steer kit to match. The key to the performance is all the parts working together and knowing how to tune system around the driver.
@SLOTHXx
@SLOTHXx 6 жыл бұрын
What’s the average price for that work. ?
@siwash99
@siwash99 5 жыл бұрын
@@SLOTHXx look up the prices on theCortex website, then figure 10 hours for installation @100/hr at a decent shop
@GTFour
@GTFour 5 жыл бұрын
cortexracing.com/product/xtreme-grip-s197-suspension-system-track-complete-system-2005-2014-mustang/
@Jordan-ql8pv
@Jordan-ql8pv 11 жыл бұрын
Funny cause the basic reaction from Mike is exactly the same reaction I have had after completing overhauling my '12 GT suspension. Bought the car for 40, spent 10 on doing various performance mods and now I have a car that makes me smile. Hell, it drives more like a car worth 70 grand now.
@RonJohnCo
@RonJohnCo 11 жыл бұрын
What was the lap time before and after? How much did all of those modifications cost? What was the on road drivability like afterwards? These are crucial bits of information you guys should have included.
@musclecaroz
@musclecaroz 8 жыл бұрын
they didn't because this video is an advertisement
@fernandizo
@fernandizo 8 жыл бұрын
MuscleCarOz yeh.. not very objective.. guy probably got a deal on the mods and all he had to say is "wow.. it's a different car!!" everybody wins!
@Eyes_of_Oryx
@Eyes_of_Oryx 7 жыл бұрын
$5,000
@nedaCFilms
@nedaCFilms 10 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the new 2015 Mustang GT models to start hitting the tracks... thank you Ford for finally producing IRS as standard equipment, lol (not since the 99, 01 and 03-04 SVT Cobra) and I hear that it is a couple hundred pounds lighter, we shall see......
@hendo337
@hendo337 10 жыл бұрын
The 2000 Cobra R 5.4L 4V was IRS too. I am also antsy to drive a new 2015 and waiting patiently for Ford to release official power specs on the engines. I hope the 2.3L EB is better than expected and I hope the 5.0 is an over 450hp monster. I hope they get an 8 speed auto and 7 speed manual by 2016. I traded out of my 2011 5.0 for a top dollar before the official 2015 design release lowered prices. My lease on the vehicle we picked up in the meantime is up in 2016.
@kalebbrown93
@kalebbrown93 10 жыл бұрын
hendo337 That's a lot of hoping.
@JoshA7fold
@JoshA7fold 10 жыл бұрын
I wish you guys would have posted the lap times and cost of parts and labor.
@Mtnbike121
@Mtnbike121 3 ай бұрын
Those coil overs alone are like 5k lol
@l8tapex
@l8tapex 2 ай бұрын
Core-ex web site. The labor and watts link, shock package redo front end package for bumpsteer etc.... $15,000. Its good stuff. I am doing another brand but these guys are proven.
@frankez99
@frankez99 9 жыл бұрын
Whether you like mustangs or not, this was a great video and quite eye opening.
@joshuamoore13
@joshuamoore13 9 жыл бұрын
This is probably one of my favorite videos that has ever been uploaded to youtube. You guys did a PHENOMENAL job, and it's pretty Damn cool to watch a grown man giggle like a school girl. CorteXracing, good job on the suspension build. It's absolutely amazing.
@sirjammer
@sirjammer 11 жыл бұрын
I see some Ford butt hurt on here. you know, I used to be into that whole Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thing...but then I grew up..and now I just love cars....just a thought.
@drivebigmuscle8080
@drivebigmuscle8080 11 жыл бұрын
Which is exactly the right attitude!
@UnorthodoxMasterOfGames
@UnorthodoxMasterOfGames 6 ай бұрын
What are ya driving nowadays?
@cs5250
@cs5250 9 жыл бұрын
Among all the hateful comments, I want to say this is a really helpful video. I have an 08 GT and I know personally how bad they are at handling. I honestly want to upgrade it's handling before I do any power so this is a nice guide thanks!
@markevans658
@markevans658 5 жыл бұрын
Did you end up doing it?
@oldshreddies2080
@oldshreddies2080 11 жыл бұрын
Awesomeness Mr. Musto and crew.
@Dirtys30
@Dirtys30 10 жыл бұрын
Such a fun track to be on.
@hax0r117
@hax0r117 11 жыл бұрын
Loving the E36 chasing him, lots of cool cars out there!
@vader540is
@vader540is 11 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that E36 ever passed him... it was gaining; awesome video mike! would have been nice to see lap times before & after the upgrade
@ellicopter1
@ellicopter1 11 жыл бұрын
The E36 was lapping him...
@vader540is
@vader540is 11 жыл бұрын
Aaron Elliott I agree I track my e36 and my buddy also has the same year GT but its all stock; and he can't keep up at all; but his is stock; except for a catback ; we weight both of our cars; mine was 2987 his was 3640 lol
@billglueck9705
@billglueck9705 10 жыл бұрын
I owned two E36 before my 06 GT. No doubt the E36 is a much better track car....better car in general right out of the box. But the GT is much more fun and I'm addicted to the exhaust note....it's like crack for gear heads. Both great cars but very different. GT needs lots of suspension mods to handle properly.
@taduse
@taduse 11 жыл бұрын
Refreshing to see a show mod a heavy street car with decent suspension first. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I only wish it was longer.
@coolerdude44
@coolerdude44 11 жыл бұрын
two important things that were left out: 1) how much does this suspension upgrade cost? 2) does it ruin the ride quality on the streeT?
@drx1xym154
@drx1xym154 3 жыл бұрын
1) I would also love to know the full suspenion package used - and what it cost, parts and labor. 2) I would imagine this can be adjusted or tuned to somewhere in-between very stiff for ultimate track performance and still get good ride/cruise quality/comfort. - What also fixes all or most of the Mustang 5.0's handling - the BOSS Mustang 2013 - and some or all of these have adjustable suspensions - where you can ride soft like the GTs or make it tighter for the track. The Boss Laguna Seca was the top track dog, back in the day, for 5.0 performance.
@runningmole
@runningmole 3 жыл бұрын
@@drx1xym154 try the post below yours
@MrRoshanroshanroshan
@MrRoshanroshanroshan 11 жыл бұрын
Hehe, the camera work during the build phase with all the people running about doing their jobs to that music gave a sense of little elfs running around in santa's toy factory. :D
@jeadelmann90
@jeadelmann90 10 жыл бұрын
This season is pretty awesome so far... the production value has come leaps and bounds from where it was prior... keep up the great work... simply the most bad-ass place to hang out on KZbin... thanks Mike and et. al.
@cchast3
@cchast3 11 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite episodes so far. Love seeing before and after mods impressions.
@JoshuaC0rbit
@JoshuaC0rbit 11 жыл бұрын
That's why the first mod I did was a full eibach suspension, it makes the car a seriously competent track car.
@0600Zulu
@0600Zulu 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome camera work, especially during the 'build' phase.
@youtubasoarus
@youtubasoarus 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome segment. Goes to show it's not power being the only thing that matters. It means more that you can actually use the power you have. Getting used to the car and how it handles and working to overcome its quirks and/or modifying the car to compensate for them. It's very rewarding.
@KrunchyKaine
@KrunchyKaine 9 жыл бұрын
Filip is just one of those guys you just instantly want to be friends with. Seems like a laid back fun kind of guy.
@BrickMoosie
@BrickMoosie 11 жыл бұрын
"OH SON!" Best Mike Musto reaction ever... That's how you know he was happy with the car!
@Kav3h
@Kav3h 11 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see a build, hope there is more videos to the Mustang
@400hpmustang
@400hpmustang 8 жыл бұрын
Very informative, great job. Currently own a 14 GT/CS with total FMS suspension upgrades.
@colematthews7535
@colematthews7535 8 жыл бұрын
How do you like the car? I'm actually going to look at a 2014 GT/CS on Friday, but I don't know if I can bring myself to get rid of my 2002 WRX lol.
@400hpmustang
@400hpmustang 8 жыл бұрын
I love it, very predictable and hooks up nicely.
@saby8765
@saby8765 6 жыл бұрын
Almost felt philosophical. I got a 2013 v6 and I absolutely freaking love it. Even when it's completely stock, it's so much fun, I gotta get rid of that body roll though. Oddly enough, if you get a body roll on a BMW or a Nissan Maxima, even though they make similar horse power, nobody really cares because we think Mustang is a track car, when it's really not, at least not out of the box. But this video shows what it can do, when modified properly.
@barrymccabe2112
@barrymccabe2112 11 жыл бұрын
Great episode. The expert setup advice from the instructor is invaluable.
@MichaelHowald
@MichaelHowald 10 жыл бұрын
This guy. I like this guy. Specifically, the guy at the shop turning the car into a track car. GG. the Boss was the Boss for a reason!
@BertoBerg
@BertoBerg 11 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys. I hope to see more with this format.
@muddrunk23
@muddrunk23 10 жыл бұрын
This should be a TV show!!!!!!
@PunisherDMT
@PunisherDMT Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know I'm late to the party on this one, but noticed a few interesting things watching this video: 1) Torque-arm setup is the best performing setup on a sold-axle car. Ford when a step in the right direction with the 3-link, but a proper torque-arm is still dramatically better. The improved rear suspension geometry main upgrade in this example. 2) Watt's link is great when you are wringing out every last bit of tuning, a properly designed Panhard bar still works great though. 3) Proper spring rates and shock can be dramatic as well, but improved suspension geometry can do more to balance the car's ride control and ride quality. 4) As the driving instructor pointed out, proper braking is the first step to safely entering turns. 5) Next step: tires. While comparing before and after for just suspension mods is cool, track oriented tires can be the easiest and most dramatic change you can make to shave off track time.
@nogo5.0
@nogo5.0 4 жыл бұрын
this video is the reason i got a mustang last year
@2LateIWon
@2LateIWon 11 жыл бұрын
Looks like fun
@zacharycropper5532
@zacharycropper5532 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Learned a lot just from this 11 minutes since I wanna build my 5.0 for the twisties.
@mygt5003
@mygt5003 10 жыл бұрын
That was a very well done video. Loved the creative "hands-on" camera angles. Filip is a heck of an engineer and his designs continue to impress. I had the opportunity to talk with him at length during the Pirelli World Challenge races in Toronto this past summer. He's a gentleman with a brilliant mind. I hope all is well Fil. Keep up the good work!
@aaronbehindbars
@aaronbehindbars 10 жыл бұрын
Great info! While my car is the puny V6, it comes similarly set up to the GT suspension wise since it has the performance pack, but there is only so much sticky Pirelli P Zeros can do. I was cracking up as Mike described the nose-heavy, brake divey, twitchy feel of the car. With 100 lbs more motor over the front, I can only imagine the GT is a little worse in those areas, but I still would love to have the extra 100+ hp. I am glad to see I was on the right track for modding my car. Power mods are and will be minimal. I'd rather put the money in the suspension and brakes. While the watts link is nice, I can do adjustable shocks, springs, camber plate, and panhard bar for about the same cost. Perfectly adequate for a street car that may see a couple of track days. Good program guys!
@kostman23
@kostman23 11 жыл бұрын
put a couple racing stripes and you'll gain 50hp
@Nomadmandude
@Nomadmandude 11 жыл бұрын
Mighty Car Mods fan?
@kostman23
@kostman23 11 жыл бұрын
NegativeNumbers427 He's still right though
@StaticSleet
@StaticSleet 10 жыл бұрын
Way ahead of you.
@up1473
@up1473 9 жыл бұрын
kostman23 Because Race car.
@CC-fv7vp
@CC-fv7vp 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@oliverb.7860
@oliverb.7860 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for that video. I am looking for information on Mustang track tuning and this is the first video on mods that is not about drag racing or pimp my ride style mods.
@pabauza
@pabauza 11 жыл бұрын
Hey Musto, you just saved me a hell of a lot of time doing research. I have a 2013 GT and plan to modify it. Now I know what I'm going to do to it. Your best video so far.
@drivebigmuscle8080
@drivebigmuscle8080 11 жыл бұрын
You won't be disappointed!
@pabauza
@pabauza 11 жыл бұрын
Drive BigMuscle BTW, I don't know if you remember but I asked you a few months ago if you could do a video on your 2013 5.0 So thanks!
@Spearfisher1970
@Spearfisher1970 11 жыл бұрын
One of your best episodes yet.
@mikesixer3
@mikesixer3 10 жыл бұрын
Videos like this are why I subscribed to DRIVE. Thanks.
@bobanppvc
@bobanppvc 11 жыл бұрын
1:08 "As you know my last name is not SENNA" its great to hear we dont forget legendary driver as he was...
@BritAcrossThePond
@BritAcrossThePond 2 жыл бұрын
Just put a Cortex watts link and torque arm on my ‘12 Mustang GT, rear of the car feels so planted
@EJBarrois
@EJBarrois 10 жыл бұрын
Beautifully edited piece here. Props to the editor. Well done.
@lunytrickz
@lunytrickz 11 жыл бұрын
"Thumbs-up" USA finaly fould that cars are not just there for DRAG but there's even more fun in CORNERING xD
@281Motorsports
@281Motorsports 10 жыл бұрын
We posted this on our Facebook page and so far we have 30,000+ views! Great video guys!
@ExMachinaEngineering
@ExMachinaEngineering 11 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! Great episode!
@Geekandsneaks
@Geekandsneaks 11 жыл бұрын
Love it!! Great ep! Keep it coming.
@V6MustangPerformance
@V6MustangPerformance 11 жыл бұрын
Great Video. Mustangs can handle with the right mods. Both Cortex and Kenny Brown make some great parts to make them real corner carvers.
@vlad146
@vlad146 11 жыл бұрын
"Yeah Son" lmao
@williamcody4763
@williamcody4763 10 жыл бұрын
Sick one handed track driving bruh. Paul Walker is looking down on you with great admiration.
@QuickQuips
@QuickQuips 11 жыл бұрын
In short, track to identify weaknesses, and tune to fix them. For muscle cars, you may have to look at the suspension. For something like a Miata, you can add power. Simple mods like brake pads are good in general. Though it wasn't said, but tires are the most important thing and you should buy the most you can afford.
@buhrrito
@buhrrito 6 жыл бұрын
This is what I’ve been looking for. Thank you for the great input and facts.!
@unccred
@unccred 10 жыл бұрын
You guys put on any power adders? CAI and a tune at minimum would have woken that stang up a little bit more.
@beth3698
@beth3698 10 жыл бұрын
My coyote 5.0 was exactly like this off the lot; bouncy, wheel hop, tons of roll in the turns. I was like wtf? With all that power, it was a little dangerous for anyone who knows how a car should handle. I put on an Eibach pro suspension kit, springs, struts, shocks, roll bar, which over all lowered the car about an inch and a half. Replaced the panhard bar and lower control arms. Threw on a set of staggered Foose 20's" with Zredestein tread and it definitely got things going in the right direction. Caution: If you lower this car, get a camber kit as well or you will eat up tires quickly. This years' 5.0 definitely needs suspension upgrades.
@pabauza
@pabauza 9 жыл бұрын
still my favorite Big Muscle video
@girlmagnet3
@girlmagnet3 10 жыл бұрын
I wasn't really a fan of mustangs until i drove my step dads 2014 mustang gt. Mustangs were always big and heavy and had so much body roll. But this 2014 with the track pack and recaros is an awesome ride. It handles like a sports car, its still feels heavy but it's controllable. The 6 speed manual w/ the 3.73 ratio is really close in gears. I had to get use to shifting, but after that it was smooth sailing. Suspension is tight but def wouldn't mind driving it as a daily car. Brembos were awesome. If your in the market for one, i would def get one, there practically giving them away now!
@RivalBro
@RivalBro 8 жыл бұрын
I think tires, brakes and suspension do it for having fun on a track or a winding road. No need of going super tire shredding power. Great video!
@Chevda2485
@Chevda2485 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent suspension set up. I am looking forward to a similar set up for my 5.0 " black stallion"
@vipergtsrgt1
@vipergtsrgt1 11 жыл бұрын
Now that it's been sorted out, I hope you'll consider coming down south to run the Ultimate Street Car event at Auto Club Speedway in June. I need more late model Mustangs to run against!
@M3_86
@M3_86 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode!
@TheTeeroy32
@TheTeeroy32 10 жыл бұрын
Watts linkage, just like the Aussie Falcon used from 1981 to 1998, the same setup that all V8 Supercars including GM used with a Ford 9" up till about 2011 when they went to IRS. My 97 Falcon has that with twin wish bones at the front, great handing car for its size and age.
@ET_Videos
@ET_Videos 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and build. Hope this turns into a series. What's next, wheels?
@bigdm9349
@bigdm9349 10 жыл бұрын
Key sentence he said after all the work was done. "It's just so good, it doesn't feel like a mustang."
@ItchyKneeSon
@ItchyKneeSon 11 жыл бұрын
This was the most enjoyable episode starring Musto that I've seen. The music seemed different throughout and created a nice atmosphere. Shazam, guys. Shazam.
@ItchyKneeSon
@ItchyKneeSon 11 жыл бұрын
btw, I'm never buying a Mustang. lol
@GHOSTJERKER
@GHOSTJERKER 11 жыл бұрын
Put some lightweight 15 inch wheels and racing slicks at the track and you will see a huge difference
@XenoRacing
@XenoRacing 11 жыл бұрын
***** Switch to drum brakes.. lol 1 step forward, 2 steps back
@Dansotherutubeacount
@Dansotherutubeacount 11 жыл бұрын
Xénos Polemistí̱s who needs brakes when you have allllll that grip. cornering G's bro!
@XenoRacing
@XenoRacing 11 жыл бұрын
They need to put a couple washing machine powered vacuums in the trunk like the Chaparral 2J
@surewin1773
@surewin1773 11 жыл бұрын
Putting on slicks will and lighter wheels will only increase the threshold of when the handling issues will manifest itself. The car will have faster lap times, but will have the same handling issues. It's better to fix the problem first instead of masking it.
@XenoRacing
@XenoRacing 11 жыл бұрын
but masking the issues is the Ford way. You don't want to mess with tradition!
@geekf1
@geekf1 11 жыл бұрын
Those speed holes on the hood look really cool.
@mikelyon5595
@mikelyon5595 11 жыл бұрын
I can tell that you're impressed by the improved handling dynamics of the Mustang! Cortex seems to be situated between Grigg's Racing and Maximum Motorsports, or at least my impression. I am a fan of the current mustang, but contact patch and compound also seem to be major limitations to consistent lap times! I really enjoyed this addition to your content, and I think you have greatly improved your on air presence! Have fun with the new toy, and keep us abreast of your improvement!
@mikelyon5595
@mikelyon5595 11 жыл бұрын
Your new project peeked my interests, so I looked into wheels, and, in this niche market, aren't inexpensive. A relatively affordable option is (Jongbloed Racing's) JRS 700s -18 x 10.5 w/.45mm back spacing(check with the kid from Cortex on the tire brand he recommends) this will allow you to install 305's all the way around. With the correct compound, even take offs, your going to really haul the mail! PS Apparently their are two suppliers who essentially say the same thing and, I didn't see Cortex's web page till after posted! I'm still excited to see your projects progress!
@lawmaxtrailer
@lawmaxtrailer 11 жыл бұрын
I panicked when I couldn't find this week's "Big Muscle" thanks for the heart attack "Muscle Evolved"
@Callediceman
@Callediceman 11 жыл бұрын
I would like to hear how that setup works on the road in those settings.... Great vid guys!!!
@sly715091
@sly715091 11 жыл бұрын
Most probably not so nice. Reason why ford didn't do it in the first place.
@TheUsmc0802
@TheUsmc0802 10 жыл бұрын
PS I'm sold on your torque arm! I'll be emailing you some questions. I think I'll be sticking with my konis and ffr stuff for now. But that torqe arm and watts are sick!
@truthwarrior2149
@truthwarrior2149 10 жыл бұрын
You will not be sorry.
@ScottHillsmusclecargarage
@ScottHillsmusclecargarage 10 жыл бұрын
That's why my car went to Shelby American. It not only get the GT350 package, I also went a couple steps further. By going with the wide-body kit. Which allows 10 inch wide wheels in the front and 13 in the back. A chassis stiffening with subframe connectors and a Watts link set up in the back. A completely adjustable front and rear suspension and lastly, 700 hp at the crank. Anymore horsepower and I would have to pull the motor and build up the bottom end. It will be track driven after the four point roll cage and fire suppression has been installed. Shelby American will not install it, because of insurance issues. Which sucks! I'm seriously considering joining the Spring Mountain Motorsport Resort. It's a beautiful track and resort just 45 minutes north of Las Vegas.
@hovnojede010101
@hovnojede010101 11 жыл бұрын
Great ep.! Never heard or that torque arm before.
@chefdan87
@chefdan87 10 жыл бұрын
Mustangs are like the Lincoln logs or legos of the car world. They are built like blank canvases just waiting for someones imagination. Thats why i love them.
@kanaric
@kanaric 10 жыл бұрын
I have a Mustang GT but really a car this heavy I don't consider to be a track weapon. I might lightly mod the car like in the vid and it's fun on the track but if I want a track car I would go with something lighter. Not a Z28 as some people, laughably, suggest. I bought a 2nd car for a more serious track car a Skyline GTS-T. Something with a simple drivetrain, great handling, light, aftermarket support, etc. RWD Skyline (GTS-T/GTT), 350/370z, Miata, S2000, E30, E36, RX8/7, etc. 350/370z is the top end in terms of weight I would consider. Most of those are around 3000lbs, or less. Anything above 3300lbs is getting heavy for a track car. 3600lbs or 4000lbs is ridiculous, no point in a serious build.
@normpeterson7746
@normpeterson7746 10 жыл бұрын
You've perhaps heard the extension of the saying "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"? (it goes "but you can make a very fast pig"). That's hotrodding distilled to its essence, and it works quite well when you can't or don't care to justify maintaining a car you can't use anywhere but on the track (and which would require a trailer and yet another vehicle to support its single use). That said, I'd think something more along the lines of a Locost or some sort of FrankenSprite would make for a really entertaining track toy that would make most of those imported cars on your list seem a bit out of their element by comparison. Think sub-1800 lbs instead. Norm
@jeremyj.5687
@jeremyj.5687 10 жыл бұрын
I have fulfilled a dream of mine last year and bought a 350Z Nismo. It was surprisingly cheap (at least over here in Germany) to buy and maintain, offers exciting and precise handling, plenty of grip... the whole deal. Plus, spare parts and quality aftermarket parts are easily available. I daresay you can´t get more bang for you buck when looking for a lightweight, RWD everyday usable car. I have never been in an RX-7 though, so that could be even better. But to my knowledge, it is hard to come by any that still work properly and the good ones aren´t exactly cheap.
@plateofshrimp
@plateofshrimp 10 жыл бұрын
Buy a sportbike then if all you care about is weight. You can pop sticky tires on a Miata and never have to let off the throttle on the track. That may be fine for you but I like going faster than 115 mph.
@jeremyj.5687
@jeremyj.5687 10 жыл бұрын
***** The video and our posts were about cars. You chiming in like that is like a group of people debating which kind of apple they like and you walk by them and tell them they should eat an orange. It´s OK that you like oranges better, but it´s just not at all relevant to the discussion.
@plateofshrimp
@plateofshrimp 10 жыл бұрын
Jeremy J. A Mustang and S2000 are not the same fruit on a track. The video, for relevance, is about making a heavy Mustang more suitable for a track, NOT what type of car is better for the track off the factory floor.
@TypeVertigo
@TypeVertigo 11 жыл бұрын
Great video, and it's a very scientific approach far removed from the pissing contests of inflated HP/torque figures people like to engage in. Brake, tire and suspension mods, when properly done, can be felt much more often than peak power. Let's see more of these, /DRIVE.
@AKDMB
@AKDMB 11 жыл бұрын
There is still a lot left in it, considering this is on the stock wheel and tire combo.
@LZKS
@LZKS 11 жыл бұрын
Fanboys watch from 4:45 to 5:15 and listen well. Ray's done a hella good job explaining.
@drivebigmuscle8080
@drivebigmuscle8080 11 жыл бұрын
David Ray is one of the best and most knowledgeable people in the business.
@aker1993
@aker1993 11 жыл бұрын
Drive BigMuscle i like his philosophy on the mustang he emphasize on cornering than power.
@NotSoFastDriver
@NotSoFastDriver 11 жыл бұрын
Finally keeping up with the Miata! Lol. But yeah, Mustangs can handle well. We actually got a bunch of them in our local Autocross. I love seeing them run. Still not as competitive as the Miatas, S2000s, and BRZs. But that's to be expected from the tight courses we get around here.
@daugbret
@daugbret 10 жыл бұрын
Cool! I love my 86 Mustang. A few cheap suspension mods can really turn it around.
@Bdr302
@Bdr302 10 жыл бұрын
First mods I did on my 2013 stang include koni yellow shocks and struts, eibach pro kits, steeda HD mounts and toyo tires. Believe me, the car isn't a mustang anymore. It turns fast, responsive, more stable and eliminated nose dive. Stock suspension fails a lot.
@TheCamaro5
@TheCamaro5 11 жыл бұрын
Nice video wish it was longer. Would like to see the difference in this car vs the Leguna Seca edition.
@GBrai-mu5zy
@GBrai-mu5zy 5 жыл бұрын
That "I drank 4 beers" comment killed me.lmao
@opinionatedjam
@opinionatedjam 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! Going to check out Cortex Racing supplies now. Hoping the rear Watts system allows for lowering of the wheels...
@ziiofswe
@ziiofswe 9 жыл бұрын
+opinionatedjam The Watts linkage is basically just a "double panhard bar", the rest is the same.
@opinionatedjam
@opinionatedjam 9 жыл бұрын
+ziiofswe Awesome! Thank you!
@stevegoodwin9067
@stevegoodwin9067 11 жыл бұрын
Love the before/after episodes! It looks like you just put $10k of parts and service into that car though. After that significant upgrade you need to come to grip with the fact you may have started off with the wrong type of DD/track car.
@TheRextc
@TheRextc 11 жыл бұрын
A watts link bar, new struts/springs, rear brake upgrade, and camber adjustments would be less than 3k. Having a shop do it for you might be a different story.
@stevegoodwin9067
@stevegoodwin9067 11 жыл бұрын
Musto! How much was the upgrade?
@vipergtsrgt1
@vipergtsrgt1 11 жыл бұрын
Rex Overbey Just commenting on parts. The Watt's Link is in the $1000 range depending on chosen brand. The rear brakes I bought run about $500, but can be a lot more if you go extreme. Camber plates on their own are $300-500, but can be included with certain coilovers. A simple spring and shock upgrade will be about $1100, but the JRi coilover setup shown in the video is around $4700 total for all 4 corners. That's a lot, but it will transform the car.
@DirtyD07
@DirtyD07 11 жыл бұрын
Based on the pricing on Cortex's website, appears to be around $6k including the willwood brakes.
@filiptrojanek5083
@filiptrojanek5083 11 жыл бұрын
DirtyD Mikes car only had Wilwood pads and rotors, not a full brake kit. My preference on a budget would be OEM Brembo calipers with track pads and the Ford Racing brake duct kit.
@jeanglobensky2941
@jeanglobensky2941 11 жыл бұрын
This great Input on what to do with a "given" type of car, what you should have mentioned is the cost of those modifications so that your listeners can judge if they can afford them or not, I shouldn't be mentioning this.
@jordanpark8980
@jordanpark8980 10 жыл бұрын
my sn95 had bad handling too everytime id hit the track, the nosedive (as pointed out) was ridiculous and gets me everytime. Luckily, I thought of purchasing koni shocks/springs, (which I did later on) and that changed everything best $800 spent
@TheCzechmichal
@TheCzechmichal 11 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of moments when you´re driving one handed and don´t shift. Keep both hands on the wheel as long as possible. Get your body possition right. Good seat and harnesses are also vital to keep your body in the same place, so you don´t need to hold the steering wheel so tight. Lighter wheels do a lot and you don´t need slicks, there are many options in track tires. Slicks bite on the limit.
@Fastback2151
@Fastback2151 11 жыл бұрын
Nice suspension set up. Watts link looks like it kept the rear end tight. Did you notice a big difference switching from the stock Brembos to the Willwoods? I was surprised to see you change the brakes out.
@walperstyle
@walperstyle 11 жыл бұрын
Full coilovers and tire choice should be really all a mustang needs. The coyote should handle itself just fine. Compliment the drivetrain.
@walperstyle
@walperstyle 11 жыл бұрын
I don't like the idea how he says to modify the car in stages. Most people in the performance world start with bolt-on's when they should start with a good programmable ECU (not a cheap chip) this way you can program every upgrade there after and have it work.
@normpeterson7746
@normpeterson7746 11 жыл бұрын
walperstyle Unless you're [blindly] following somebody else's formula, modifying in stages is exactly what you need to be doing. Find what needs the most fixing, do the one or maybe two things to fix that, and drive it some so you can see what you need to work on next. Lather, rinse, repeat. I wouldn't bother looking past the FRPP tune at least in the beginning. Keep in mind that what you DON'T want on a road course (or even more so at an autocross) is the too-eager throttle opening that impresses all the street wanna-be's. Later on, maybe there's enough value in a custom tune, as long as it doesn't tip the throttle in too quickly at small throttle plate openings either. Norm
@normpeterson7746
@normpeterson7746 11 жыл бұрын
Tires for sure, but not right off the bat if you're a newbie to track days. Just drive the car equipped the way you're accustomed to driving it, with DOT4 brake fluid and maybe entry-level track pads at most. 255's really aren't enough once you've gained a little seat time, but they're plenty good for a newbie (and they might be a good rain tire size even after more experience is gained). I'd get tires and wider wheels, deal with camber correction, maybe swap springs and/or sta-bars, and drive it a while on Konis rather than jump straight away to coilovers as part of a first step. Norm
@Prodriver33
@Prodriver33 11 жыл бұрын
Norm Peterson i hate this assumption that anyone modding a mustang is a newb, if your getting a mustang for a track toy it should NOT b your first car! thats retarded! and anyone who claims to be a "car guy" would know exactly why mustangs suck on track, they neeeed brakes tyres and chassis rigidity to even come close to enjoyable on track, I love my mustang but not without the chassis reinforcement bars and big brake kit i have on it. spending 10k rite off the bat on a mustang is soooo easy without even touching the engine, a 01' cobra IRS swap, wilwood brake kit, OS giken super lock 8.8 diff, coil overs, swaybars, reinforcing bars, 305's all around, is just a start. fuck the watts link IRS son!
@walperstyle
@walperstyle 11 жыл бұрын
Frankly, when it comes to a known chassis like a Mustang. I have no problem copying the performance of others. Stick with what works, but I will always stand behind starting with a good ECU to start with. Then all other mods afterward will fall into place easier. Turbo, Supercharger, fuel injectors, cams etc.
@drush525
@drush525 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why people say the Mustangs are not good track cars. You all may want to look at the tracks across north America and it is seems to me there are an awful lot of Mustangs competing and winning. Right out of the box these cars are very capable. Add a little bit of money and they are lethal weapon on the track.
@MrWindmad
@MrWindmad 11 жыл бұрын
Interesting and enjoyable episode!
@Marciaus007
@Marciaus007 10 жыл бұрын
Even the passenger comments how good it has become...
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya 10 жыл бұрын
fantastic presentation...! the only question i have is.: assuming the car is a daily driver, do any of the shown adjustments and/or parts change present any relatively significant compromise for everyday use ?
@larryhernandez5062
@larryhernandez5062 6 жыл бұрын
Great Video Mike . . . . Really Liked Video , and Advice .
@Jesusmakesmelovelife
@Jesusmakesmelovelife 11 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. How much would those mods cost to average joe? Definitely will look into the panard bar replacement system. Does it use a torsion/spring or what
@Zi.Zenior
@Zi.Zenior 3 жыл бұрын
Many people are asking about price. Can’t comment on price but here’s what they changed based on the video: 1. Coilovers with camber caster plates 2. Tie rods/end links 3. (This is a guess) ball joints 4. Rear lower control arms with relocation brackets 5. Watts link 6. Sway bar relocation brackets 7. Sway bar It looks like they also did the rear brakes. All of this is what I noticed. Chime in if you see more.
@CrossWindsPat
@CrossWindsPat 11 жыл бұрын
You should do a battery relocation. That is a cheap and easy way to get some weight in the back.
@925boosting
@925boosting 11 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wish you where recording your lap times to see his much of a difference it made.
@detmer87
@detmer87 11 жыл бұрын
It's a known must have upgrade, every mustang needs it.
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