Mushoku Tensei IS NOT the "First Isekai"

[@cherobu2288]

Very true, by digging further, you can see that it is not the first. However, for me at least, it is one of those influential Isekai out there that really inspired many others

[@Ayvhel]

It is without a doubt one of the landmarks of Isekai. Without it I'm not sure the isekai boom of the early 2010s would be as big and long lasting.

[@DarkNorthEmperor]

The Familiar of Zero, is a real forgotten gem of a series.

[@Ayvhel]

I'd love to do a video on it some day, but it's a very forgotten one.

[@abura2980]

it's one of my guilty pleasure animes, because I know it's trash but it was one of my first animes that's why I love it lol

[@rajvirmalhans2073]

Apparently left unfinished after the author passed away too

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@rajvirmalhans2073 I thought it had a satisfying ending. Better than most anime anyway.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@abura2980 Same here. Taiga and Zero were my first tsunderes and I still love 'm.

[@Mikeyuubi]

I'm not that deep into many Isekai series, only Re Zero and Konosuba are the ones I enjoy (but I really want to check out Mushoku simply because of how beautiful it looks), yet this video really grabbed my attention of going through the history of Isekai and what could be considered the pioneers of it all. Really great video man!

[@Ayvhel]

Thanks man! Really appreciate it!

[@MatrixAMch]

I haven't seen Mushoku yet but I've definitely seen a lot of people commenting that it's the first, so thanks for enlightening me on it. I plan to watch it in the near future.

[@Ayvhel]

I can't wait to watch you talk about it!

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Watch it, it's fucking great.

[@Sater109]

"Aura Battler Dunbine" is the first true Isekai anime it was first aired in 1982 and i got into anime watching "The Familiar of Zero" in late 2000's sooo yeah Mushoku Tensei first written in 2012 wasn't even close....

[@Ayvhel]

Decades off.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Of course it wasn't, it was Alice in Wonderland.

[@julesloveless]

vision of escaflowne is also older, but is an isekai. Monster Rancher is technically an isekai as well

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, Isekai goes way back, the idea it started around early 2010s is baffling to me when so many well known shows were doing trapped in another world stories going way back

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I'd call it the first '3rd Generation' isekai. 3rd Gen is also the era that made the genre absurdly popular, it covers most of the 2010s up until the last few years where(thanks largely to Slime) we're moving into 4th Gen. 1st Generation Japanese isekai is stuff like Alice in Wonderland the anime, Magic Knight Rayearth, or Digimon.(this era especially was a huge influence on Western Isekai). Second Generation is the SAO and Dot Hack era.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

So yes, it along with Rezero and Konosuba were pioneers, just less for the Genre as a whole and moreso a specific renaissance of it changing a ton of norms and popularizing the genre. You could argue stuff like Reincarnated as a Slime is doing the same thing for 4th Gen. The older stuff deserves to be remembered though, especially since it's influence in the West is massive. The blood of Magic Knight Rayearth and Digimon is in almost every Western Isekai.

[@Wasted1249]

What was the first isekai tho in manga or novel aspect?

[@Ayvhel]

Aura Battler Dunbine if I'm not mistaken, that's the common answer I see around

[@godsama959]

Visions of Escaflowne and El Hazard are the actual anime pioneers. there were other sort of earlier ones in various forms but these 2 set the stage for the TV formula used for long form plot, episodic flavour of the week and thematic music.

[@Ayvhel]

Thanks! I'd heard of escaflone before, but never of El Hazard.

[@godsama959]

@@Ayvhel Escaflowne was a critical success but it was the financial success of El Hazard that made the cemented the investor interest in future "magic world" projects which lead to the isekai genre moving forward.

[@CrossXaberS]

There were also Magic Knight Rayearth and Fushigi Yugi around that time. There might be something earlier but I can't remember.

[@DarkTug]

@@Ayvhel Isekai was actually very common/popular back in the 90s. There are more stories involved going to another world than you can count. Although majority of them are in Shoujo genre. Shounen is just a decade or two late to the party. The four mentioned in this comment is probably the most famous/influential one back then and er........Digimon lol The troupes appear in these stories is also vastly different from 2010s isekai. So much so, you might not consider them the same genre. Except both physically involved MCs travelling to another world. So I doubt anyone can take away Mushoku Tensei position of "The most influential 2010s Isekai" or "granddaddy of 2010s Isekai" or whatever title we want to grant the one who establish the troupe we have seen repeated to death. Also, I have to say, I'm less annoying by people who claim that Mushoku Tensei is the "first" isekai ever, than people who counter that by saying Zero no tsukaima, or even RE:Zero is the real "first" one. If you want to do research, please do it all the way. Isekai was so common back in 90s that I don't think any of us know which is the "first" first one.

[@Ayvhel]

@@DarkTug I never really said ReZero, Familiar of Zero, or any of these is the "real first one", near the end of the video I even say all of the examples I gave can be traced back even further. This wasn't a history of Isekai video, just one on how mushoku was neither the first Isekai, nor the creator of most tropes we see nowadays.

[@GoldenRo]

This is a great video on the history of Isekai and why MT is not a pioneer, rather, it's just an Isekai that does it the best. I love Mushoku Tensei and I'm glad you're making videos on it. I might make one soon as well, on the channel Golden Ro. (That's mine btw)

[@resengan123]

i will always have a bit of a soft spot for mushoku teensei. the web noel finished while i was in college and going through a bit of a rough patch . my folks also surprised me by getting back together after being separated for about 10 years. The focus on family and self improvement really got to me especially around vol 12. i haven't come across another isekai that focuses this much on actually LIVING a second life. stories about reincarnation speed through childhood or the mc is a unfeeling genius. there's no demon lord to slay and the MC isnt going out on a quest to save the world. the plot is moved by everyday needs.. pre teleportation? he wanted to go to school & needed a job to help his friend. post teleportation? he wants to go home.. the adventures are a by product of navigating life in a world of swords and magic not something intentionally sought out. as an aside i was delighted to hear familiar of zero finally finished. after the authors passign. re reading it is on my to-do list.

[@Ayvhel]

Getting attached to Mushoku makes a lot of sense, it's not a story that shows the good and hides the bad. It's not popcorn. It shows you the full scope of his new life, and I love that he is just trying to live day to day. I really loved it as an anime, and am now in the process of reading the light novels, and I think it might become my favorite fantasy ln/anime. Thanks for your comment!

[@Ace-Intervention]

Y’all are high, Alice in Wonderland is the first isekai My source: trust me bro

[@Ayvhel]

Insert "big Shaq - mans not hot" 1:10

[@benjminlandalt3156]

correction: sao actually came out in 2002

[@Ayvhel]

If you are referring to the web novel, yes. Since I did webnovel for most I should have done the same for SAO and Familiar of Zero, both of which I used the light novel date, since it didn't affect the order.

[@ketanvirbhadre1634]

There's aura battler dunbine which I think the first anime to mix mecha and fantasy genre, it's also a isekai but mostly focus on mecha.

[@Ayvhel]

It might very well be, to be honest my knowledge on the mecha genre is very shallow.

[@jjcandelabra6164]

Digimon the first isekai

[@ashe5306]

Bruh isekai's have been in existence for like 50 years

[@jdw9]

I think the main thing is that MT was probably the first "big" isekai that hit it off and became popular that had all the tropes that are in modern isekai

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, 100%. Although the Isekai boom and general tropes had already been on the rise for 2/3 years, Mushoku was the first to blow up and bring the subgenre that was growing in shosetsuka ni narou to the wider public.

[@George_Gogo01]

Re:zero was a thing already back then,he literaly shown that it was 7 month prior to it.Not only that,Zero no tsukaima was amazingly popular and as one of Rie Kugimiya most recongnised tsundere character of all time (louise).Also,digimon was a pretty "big" isekai back in the days as well.

[@azopeopaz3059]

no sao , znt and re zero was big hit beford mt and as anime a lot hit beford

[@Zetsu001]

0:36, Now this… Does put a smile on my face 😏🙂😎💪👏🤝👍👌

[@Ayvhel]

It's just the truth 🤷

[@rubiepie]

Ah yes The familiar of Zero. Damn i missed that anime lol. Best Harem first isekai out there

[@Ayvhel]

Not even that is the first, just one of the examples of what came before.

[@MaXXLeft]

Yeah peeps be tripin, good video bro

[@Ayvhel]

Appreciate it!

[@ratedr7845]

They never said it's the first isekai ever, it's the first one that popularized the trope alot of modern isekai uses

[@Ayvhel]

Yes, I didn't deny that in the video. But like a game of broken telephone a lot of people have gotten the information from sources that removed all context from it, either saying it originated the tropes, or even Isekai itself.

[@saschawagner5167]

You know there was something called .hack before SAO? ,-))) or Fujigi Yugi or Vision of Escaflone. Mushoko was the most profelic Reincanation Isekai and one of the few who actually covers the MCs Jorney from reincation to his death. The Grandfather title is becasue its the well known and beloved title that you actually remember even years later. Also unlike so many of its kind its not a wishfullfilment kind of storry were the MC is unstopable wich makes it one of teh more relatable storrys.

[@Ayvhel]

Yes, I did say the examples I gave can be traced back to others. The grandfather title is justified, as I say at the start, the only thing I intended to "debunk" is the conflation of its influence, with thinking it either "created" isekai, or the isekai tropes. And when it comes to the last sentence, 100% agree, its quickly climbing in my favorites because of the depth that is given to every character and every corner of the world.

[@scyfher1180]

Inuyasha first debuted in November 1996 on Shogakukan's Weekly Shonen Sunday

[@user-ho4tb5qe7v]

It always annoys me when a series is considered the first of a genre just because it became popular, the fanbase looking into older manga and webnovels is so small but theres so many older works that I think a lot of more casual watchers would enjoy without it feeling aged or uninteresting

[@Ayvhel]

It's also hard as it more often is not a case of "first" but a slowly shifting media/genre landscape, and not a thing that is created in one day.

[@chamo7756]

Dang I basically saw and read all those web novels and manga. Also even no game no life pre dates it. Dang how did I not realize this. Good job

[@iLuv4Play]

"A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" - by Mark Twain (Translated into Japanese) This is the oldest 'Isekai' that I've personally read. Isekai isn't new, and don't tell me a story has to originate in Japan.

[@Ayvhel]

No, I didn't. I even say in the video the examples I have can be traced back much further. I just wanted to give the former examples that are more easily comparable, and the ones to introduce these tropes to japanese web/light novels. The oldest I personally think fits the criteria is "The divine comedy".

[@the-anime-bro]

Does it matter if its the first?

[@Ayvhel]

Who knows?

[@inkoinfinity2]

Two things i want to say,sao didn't really start in 2010,the web novel actually goes back to 2002. 2. There's a video made by kenny lauderdale made a video of a show called minky momo,long story short she was possible the first to introduce truck kun when she was hit by it back in the 80s.

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, back when I made this I was more so trying to prove that MT wasn't first, not doing a history of it, but for consistency sake, since most other examples I went by novel, I should have done the same for SAO.

[@inkoinfinity2]

@@Ayvhel ah I see no problem

[@inkoinfinity2]

@@Ayvhel also excuse the typo of "made a video" thought I corrected it in edit but apparently not.

[@Ayvhel]

@@inkoinfinity2 Don't worry, I make quite a few, it's bound to hapen sometimes

[@ezequielfernandez476]

not the first but the best

[@Ayvhel]

You won't find me disagreeing.

[@thegreataustini]

I haven’t seen Mushoku Tensei but you still managed to convince me

[@Ayvhel]

I must have a secret talent for it.

[@kllrnooooova]

Oh, it wasn't. But it was like #1 for nearly all of it's run in narou, and you'll probably say it. I guess you could say most popular but that's up for debate

[@DarkNorthEmperor]

Indeed.

[@Ayvhel]

It was the longest running number 1 in the history of the website if I'm not mistaken, since I couldn't find a source, and can't read japanese I decided not risk misleading anyone.

[@angkear6267]

it's definitely the most popular and influential isekai that kickstarted the new trends of modern isekai into the next gear in early 2010s.

[@MABfan11]

the WN for SAO was written in 2001. IIRC, it was even released before .hack started airing

[@Ayvhel]

You are right, since I used webnovel dates for the others I should have done the same for SAO and Familiar of Zero. Both of those I went and used the light novel since they were already big before mushoku ever came into existence, while for the rest it's a question of a couple years at most.

[@epic598]

The birth of truck-kun

[@Ayvhel]

top 10 villains in anime

[@CCClifff2000]

It is not the Godfather because it is the first. It is the Godfather because it embodies what an "isekai" supposed to be

[@Ayvhel]

Yes, as I say there is a justified reason to call it so, just not for being the first Isekai, or the first to set the standards for the modern Isekai.

[@yochananzaqantov7143]

Another forgotten Isekai is Tenchi Muyo! War on Geminar which was a spin-off of Tenchi Muyo series.

[@Ayvhel]

I believe that was also around the late 2000s if I'm not mistaken. I've heard mixed reviews on it, is it worth a watch?

[@luan3762]

Mushoku tensei isn't the first isekai that much is true However, mushoku tensei is the one brought us the isekai formula/tropes we know. That's why mushoku tensei is regarded as ''grandfather of isekai genre'' since it is one of most influential isekai out there. I mean, you wouldn't call harry potter/yu yu hakusho/inuyasha an isekai since they don't have the same structure as the kind of isekai we know nowadays kenja no mago, ansatsu isekai, smartphone isekai, the beginning after the end, rezero, tensura them all took inspiration from MT's formula even anime like goblin slayer, redo healers aren't even a ''proper isekai'', but the structure is the same as one just like SAO, mushoku tensei popularized the genre before they came out as anime in the LN/WN community

[@Ayvhel]

While the importance of Mushoku in popularizing tropes was second to maybe only SAO, as it was by far the most popular web novel of the Isekai boom in the early 2010, the webnovels for things like ReZero, Knights and Magic, isekai meikyuu de harem o, and a lot of others predate it, so I don't think it's fair to say it "originated" or "created" the formula/tropes, as the Isekai formula and tropes predate it. What it did do was open the doors for webnovels, as it's popularity was second to none in Narō. "the grandfather of Isekai" isn't a correct translation, as in japanese they say "the pioneer of Narō-kei novels" as it was what made the website a popular go-to place to find young talented author's. So it had nothing to do with being first, but more so being the first to blow up and get popular, that fit into what we currently think of as Isekai.

[@travistouchdown3822]

can we consider Fushigi Yuugi as first isekai? it would be shocking as its shoujo, reverse harem series

[@Ayvhel]

Well, I don't know myself. And I don't think it being from the shoujo demographic is that surprising, there used to be a lot of shoujo Isekai. However I've been referenced to plenty Isekai even from the 80s. And depending on what you would consider the "bare minimum" requirements for Isekai, you might even be going back to stuff like the Divine Comedy.

[@Iruilisan]

Bro how did you even do the timeline thing you gotta teach me sometime later

[@Ayvhel]

I can whenever you want g

[@justanormalguy1921]

Nice seeing you here XDDD

[@Iruilisan]

@@justanormalguy1921 bro me and ayvhel day 1 youtube buddies 😈, nice seeing you here as well

[@rhythmmandal3377]

Well it the first good generic Isekai in years.

[@Ayvhel]

I agree.

[@simonphoenix3789]

As far as I know, Mushoku Tensei is the only Adult Isekai out there of any quality. most others seem aimed at children, with topics like sex or marriage being outside their scope, or touched upon in the mildest way possible. So you often have characters who behave like idealized puritans, maybe kissing a girl at some point in the story. With Mushoku Tensei, you get a much more realistic bunch of characters.

[@Ayvhel]

I would agree, I think that was a big reason for why it took longer for it to get adapted from webnovel into a light novel, compared to the other webnovels released around the same time.

[@max55436]

@Sketcher's * the sense that the characters r not op , the sense that just cuz he isekaied doesnt mean his old behaviour changes in one go, the sense that here there is a proper power scale, the sense that here mc dont isekai with smartphone n becomes op or in sense that the mc isekai n makes guns, n other modern earth gadgets as if he is genius,the sense how each character r different in views n traits etc. i guess u need the sense of understanding to understand mt .

[@algomez8563]

Claro que no lo es quien podria creer esto. Of course not who could believe this. There is an old anime from the 90s were 3 girls went to an fantasy world were they became warriors and rode giant mechas it was crazy (Rayearth this is what its called) Then was Escaflowne (however you write it) Inuyasha it is an Isekai also.

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, there is also Dunbine and many others.

[@uchenna8885]

i think people say its the first because it made the genre more popular after i remember tenshin muyho from back in the day

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, it was the most popular of the isekai boom of the early 2010s.

[@animesenpai1163]

It's definitely not the First, but it's one with the most influence on modern ones.. On the top of my head old isekai are... Yu Yu hakushou Kyou Kara Maou Familiar of Zero Inuyasha Digimon

[@Ayvhel]

It is, as I said, while it didn't create most tropes and trappings of Isekai, it was at the core of how popular they became.

[@sugarzblossom8168]

Alice in wonderland

[@jimmyjohnjuan]

What so great about mushuko tensia is, you dont forget thats there a whole world there. A problem with alot of anime, is you lose track of the world at large and the only person that matters or people are the ones on the screen.

[@coilingeat5602]

Great video! I read Mushoku when first Russian to dropped and then understood that it will completely bring Isekai to bigger scene. I of course agree that it is not first but rather most memorable and one that pioneered practically every cliche in Isekais. Academies, training from childhood but it's ending is one I can't help but return to every year. Great video!

[@Ayvhel]

I can't wait to see what kind of ending is in store, as I've barely started on the novels

[@coilingeat5602]

@@Ayvhel Ending is truly tear jerking. I really cried. It was sad and fulfilling.

[@DKlubSub]

True. It aint the first isekai. But the first one on popularizing truck kun. Unless we counting minky momo

[@Ayvhel]

Oh wow, you are going back to the 80s and 90s? I haven't watched but I think I heard that name before.

[@DKlubSub]

@@Ayvhel you can check on youtube that someone made a video about her. The tragedy of minky momo

[@Ayvhel]

@@DKlubSub thank you!

[@animesenpai1163]

Is minky momo that one anime that was said to be cursed?

[@DKlubSub]

@@animesenpai1163 yes it is. The one and only cursed MG series

[@louistolentino4640]

This guy probably don't know fushigi yugi the very first true isekai anime(to another world) and familiar of zero perfectly executed how isekai should be.

[@Ayvhel]

"the first" is always very muddy. Depending on definition it could be something like dunbine in 83, or even Haruka Takachiho's novel Warrior from Another World in 76. Or many others before it. Familiar of zero was great, I agree completely.

[@azopeopaz3059]

lol fushigi tugi is not the first back in the 60 the manag with american girls send in egypte was already one of the most popular shojo manga

[@TheBlackYaksha]

I always said Mushoku Tensei fans can’t handle any sort of disagreement

[@Ayvhel]

I'm a mushoku fan tho 😭😭

[@BladeMaster117]

Yes, that would be petter pan or alice in wonderland

[@daddylongstroke8334]

This came from the creator of that that time I got reincarnated as a slime .

[@Ayvhel]

How did you find out? 😮

[@sabrecarter9482]

Isekai was already a trend . Mushpuku just made it more desired

[@Ayvhel]

exactly

[@rachetmarvel931]

It's not the first, but it is kinda the grandaddy of the new age isekai cliches, yet it did it the best.

[@andyramirez4293]

your fancy words might be right magic man but it gave us TRUCK KUN it was where truck kun's murder spree started and that tops all other tropes

[@Ayvhel]

I'm speechless, for I have no awnser to such truthful words.

[@jimmyjohnjuan]

Im sitting on the toilet and realized, the original or first in my opinion is "The wizard of OZ"

[@aaronpingol1566]

the first isekai would be alice in wonderland

[@Ayvhel]

I'd say The Divine Comedy in 1320, but maybe that's pushing it a bit too far.

[@thundereagle4130]

Mushoku is more like the Half Life for Isekai. There where some FPS/TPS before, and there where story-driven games out there as well. But Half Life combined so many things together that it became a gold standard.

[@Ayvhel]

That's a great way to put it

[@yhumicamasis4854]

it should be a forerunner not a pioneer but still that's may favorite Isekai.

[@Ayvhel]

it is a "turning point" in isekai... I'll get myself out

[@charles-co2vh]

Isaki /other world /new world genre is super old this is more about the modern trend than the actual greatest works in the genre as many weren't even classed as such pre the popularity so most tropes are actually really old it's just concepts like the modern peeps is new as it was back in the early days of fantasy we just don't connect as much as a: it's all set in the past with that culture and views. B: anime/manga/light novels are more emotionally stimulating than their predisessors. Any way you cut it this isn't a new thing but I love it and will eat up all of em.😀

[@Ayvhel]

🔥

[@angellara7040]

No aura battles dunbine? An isekai from the 80s

[@Ayvhel]

Even more ammo for my point, should I give it a read/watch?

[@adamhinton3663]

The first isekai as far as I'm aware is Gundam.

[@theworldisnotflat5159]

Guys, Magic Knight Rayearth is the True First isekai. (In Anime/Manga Form, In Japanese) But Mushoku is the First Using Truck-kun, so the classic truck-kun troupe is from Mushoku, and some of the Magic and How Mana Works too. Being a GrandFather dont make you the First Ancestor, but you is one of the Pillars. i Started to read Mushoku in 2014 and still think that mushoku is one of the best Web/Light novels. (in general, not only Isekai)

[@Ayvhel]

It's great to finally know which was the first ever isekai in anime/manga, couldn't really find it! Thanks man! Mushoku is highly influential and overall great, as I said, there's a reason for the title of grandfather, just not for being first. Thanks for the comment!

[@theworldisnotflat5159]

​@@Ayvhel even Mushoku gets its inspiration from another isekai, almost all the Isekai appearing in 2010-13 are inspired by Zero no Tsukaima's Popularity and have part of their world building based on the Rance Series. (Konosuba, Mushoku and even Re:zero) even having races (Superd Race is based on Kalars Race) or major references.

[@theworldisnotflat5159]

​@@Ayvhel And we have to remember that almost all the popular isekai were coming out at the same time and all the authors knew each other, so sometimes one takes the idea from the other and vice versa. so to think that one is copying the other is dumb, because they all took ideas from other works and used them in an original way. Japanese don't have this thought that if it is similar, then it is a copy. all works are references to other works. the problem is to attack the other work in an aggressive way or to copy characters.

[@Ayvhel]

@@theworldisnotflat5159 even though I've never played rance, I've seen it referenced by many isekai authors such as Rifujin, who said before both rance and final fantasy were inspirations for him.

[@Ayvhel]

@@theworldisnotflat5159 I completely agree, that is also part of the reason I don't like when something is called "the first" or "the pioneer" in cases like this. There is such an interconectedness between what came before and what came after, its all just a part of an evolving landscape, and I wouldn't merit any with creating it alone.

[@adamhinton3663]

YuYuHakusho did death by (not)Truck-kun first

[@thomaszimmer371]

Hm but one of the first if not the first to use TRUCK-KUN

[@Ayvhel]

Truck-kun is the most influential character in anime history.

[@raymundsantos506]

Magic Knight Reyearth is partly Isekai

[@Ayvhel]

I'd never heard of it, but just found out its from 1993. Is it worth checking out?

[@raymundsantos506]

@@Ayvhel if ur a waifu mecha kinda person it's worth a shot

[@schnitzistudios2602]

Great video :D

[@Ayvhel]

Thank you!

[@kulwinderthiara8174]

So it is iPhone of isekai

[@Spacefrisian]

TBF, wouldnt the Wizard of Oz be the first Isekai, even though its not Japanese.

[@Ayvhel]

Isekai is basically just portal fantasy, so stuff like Alice in Wonderland or The Divine Comedy could fit too, genres are not fixed categories, more just guidelines to help us talk about stuff regardless!

[@brunoverasferreira6263]

Stupid debate. The first is never the first unless you convention it is. You define the genre clearly when you establish the cliche of that genre, or the basis from present to future.

[@Ayvhel]

I would agree. This video came to be exactly because the genre was already well defined before it.

[@ayami123]

it's the first modern isekai

[@Ayvhel]

Well, depends what you consider modern, as it came after ReZero. But I would say it became the go to guideline for everything that came after

[@boboz014]

maybe the term should be the first "modern isekai"?

[@Ayvhel]

A bit better, but also depends where you would draw the line for what's modern and what isn't.

[@protorhd6374]

nadie dijo que era el primer isekai, sino, el pionero del isekai moderno, y eso no lo compararas con esa cosa.

[@Ayvhel]

Como digo en el video, mucha gente lo hizo en los comentarios de mi video anterior de isekai. E incluso cuando se trata de ser pioneros en el Isekai moderno, ya que tanto la estructura como los tropos centrales del Isekai moderno son anteriores a él, tampoco es cierto.

[@YukitoOnline]

The true first Isekai is Dunbine lol

[@Ayvhel]

My point is moreso that mushoku wasn't first, settings develop in very non-linear ways. Dunbine is certainly a key point, but Haruka Takachiho's "Warrior from Another World" came out in 1976, 7 years prior, so it's definitely not so linear.

[@YukitoOnline]

@@Ayvhel Mushoku ain't the first but it kick started the *"Isekai"* trend bubble in the webnovel community. Influenced the community/market so much that we finally got a crap ton of *"Isekai"* novels of various quality, and are getting rushed manga & anime adaptations for advertisement for the source materials. Just like how .hack// story kickstarted the *"MMO Fantasy"* trend bubble. That influenced the author of SAO in creating it's early drafts during .hack//'s heyday. MMO Boom Era back then in 2002 were in it's baby steps, by the time it reached 2004 it was super trendy for companies here in Asia to create their MMOs till it finally slowed down around 2010.

[@Ayvhel]

@@YukitoOnline Yeah, 1000 percent. It made it popular in a way that it wasn't before, it was the biggest webnovel of that "era" that popularized the conventions, here I just wanted to clarify since people were asking in the vid before this one if mushoku was the first to ever do it.

[@RaMraM-zm1el]

Digimon Adventure is an Isekai

[@Ayvhel]

Yes

[@lucasvanwijngaarden670]

Great video

[@Ayvhel]

Thank you!

[@itsoracle]

no way

[@Ayvhel]

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[@itsoracle]

@@Ayvhel trur

[@arturow.araujo5904]

why is just such small channels talking about this as if someone cares?

[@Oxygen1004]

Are you trying to be mean? Lots of people care and enjoy anime, most of the channels you'll see are smallish but have the same people watching and commenting + some people might enjoy other things about the content creator like their voice or the editing style

[@GoldenRo]

@@Oxygen1004 Really well put man! I am a massive admirer of people no matter how big or small they are voicing what they think about something. From this particular video, I got so much information out of it that I may not have gotten from a bigger channel.

[@RionAgrias]

You can always watch Gigguk talk about it, then?

[@Ayvhel]

I'm sorry you feel that way

[@steve0p110]

Obviously it's not. That's like saying it's not the first written word... Just click bait hope you make the money your trying to ring out of these bs titles. Spellsinger by Alan Dean Foster was written in 1983, has a very Alan Dean Isekai feel. A collage guy summoned from our world to a place of talking animals. Also Alice in wonderland is essentaly an Isekai as well.

[@GinHindew110]

Bro, your narration is slow AF, and your timeline is not proportional to the dates, both are annoying That aside, Mushoku is the first "modern" isekai, emphasis on the "modern" part, because if we are going about technicalities, The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant from the 70s is the first "anime-like" isekai MC is a social pariah who gets run over by a police car and wakes up in a magical land, where he is recognized as a hero who must defeat a demon king

[@Ayvhel]

Thanks for the pointers. But if Mushoku is the first "modern" Isekai, does ReZero not belong in that category? Same applies to Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o.

[@GinHindew110]

@@Ayvhel The term "first" is by its own nature, defined when there comes a second, third, fourth and so on Mushoku is the one that inspired a lot of lookalikes, while other franchises got a much smaller follower count

[@Ayvhel]

First is not defined by the following, but by having none before it. Something can be the first and only. Neil Armstrong didn't become the first man to walk on the moon after a second did so. He became the first because no one did before him. Therefore having others that fit into every criteria we use to determine what a modern isekai is come before it (for example ReZero and Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o) would make it not be the first.

[@josedeleon3179]

Mushoku is not that even good. it's only "good" cause it's an isekai. The characters and troupe are just typical bs.

[@Ayvhel]

I disagree, I think it has a lot to it, but thanks for commenting!

[@josedeleon3179]

@@Ayvhel I actually appreciate the pacing and the world building compared to other isekai. still cringing on all the weird relationship dynamics tho.

[@84ganta]

mushoku is the FIRST isekai that did all the tropes waaaaaaaay better than anything preextisting!ppl call it the grandaddy of isekai out of respect(i think and hope) and not cause it was the 1st isekai or the one that made the genre popular!no matter how much we dont like sao we have to face the fact that it was the series that made isekai blow up!trash isekai but isekai non the less :) the most insane part in all this is that mushoku isnt even the "main event" of the world the author made,its a prelude and if you think the scope of what the author tries to make it deserves even more praise!

[@Ayvhel]

It's certainly deserving of all the praise, and yes, that is why it was called the grandad of isekai in the first place. Its just that I've seen some people who first hear of it as the "grandad of isekai" not be aware of the context that led to it being called so. And it's not unreasonable for them to think it was the first after hearing the title of grandfather. Mushoku is deserving of all the praise, It shouldn't be about who did it first, but who did it better, and Mushoku is definitely among the best.

[@Quwucuqin]

But mushoku tensi is really good

[@Ayvhel]

It really is!

[@Abiisu]

yet another midshoku tensei video 😴

[@Ayvhel]

I'm sorry, just wanted to clear things up!

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

It saddens me that you even felt the need to make this video. It's so obviously wrong. The Isekai concept is older than anime itself. Alice in wonderland did it in the 19th century, Beowolf in the 8th century, Orpheus in 3rd century bc, etc... As you rightfully pointed out; who did it first isn't as important as who did it better. Art is never truely original anyway.

[@Ayvhel]

Yeah, but even if we limit it to the confines of just anime and light novels, despite being highly influential, for popularizing a lot of tropes we see in modern Isekai, it wasn't their originator.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@Ayvhel Yes. But even agreeing on those confines is difficult. You'll always find a grey area where art influences art, that either fits or doesn't fit ones own personal criteria. For example "spirited away" 2002 is an Isekai anime imo, but some might disagree, because it lacks certain tropes.

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

@@Ayvhel Anyway, good video. I can imagine getting frustrated when a stupid idea like that keeps coming back like some braindead zombie.

[@Ayvhel]

@@YourLocalCopiumDealer I would also agree that spirited away is an isekai.

[@Ayvhel]

​@@YourLocalCopiumDealer its nothing that serious, I'd just say its slightly annoying. And thanks man, appreciated!