music without emotion

[@kosolapovlev6029]

Is it some kind of burnout you get when you've learned all the popular formulas during your music education, but now have no clue what to do with all this stuff, so all there's left to do is to express confusion and disappointment with all the tools you've perfectly mastered?

[@GizzyDillespee]

Ah yes, the other dilemma of the aging pop star.

[@AtomizedSound]

@@GizzyDillespee not just pop stars

[@aidansilber2028]

When I was younger I'd fiddle around with garageband and a keyboard, it wasn't the greatest music but it was fun and surprisingly good. But then I studied theory and now I have zero creativity or passion.

[@da404lewzer]

I feel this way with programming so I don't see why not

[@progfox]

i think for me, after almost a decade of making music, i get really excited about mixing genres and coming up with shit just never heard before. it keeps things fresh

[@rowan404]

This portrayed the lack of emotion caused by depression, so, technically, yes, it _can_ exist. Many people don’t realize that depression isn’t sadness, but rather, numbness.

[@tacitozetticci9308]

It goes down a long way. Many wish all they had was numbness, that's why medications somewhat work for them, they give them just that, and it's sort of a vacation from the more hellish places.

[@progfox]

id argue that numbness is a form of emotion otherwise we wouldnt have a word for it thats seperate from "nothing"

[@tacitozetticci9308]

@@progfox you have a point lol

[@haelscheirs_haven]

I strongly disagree with your second statement or strongly discourage potentially instilling a generalization of the spectrum of depressive experiences. Of course, one can Google the definitions and types, and sure, some may very much experience depression as a "lack of feeling" while still having very dark thoughts, but it could just as well feel like a fiery hellscape pent up within, ranging between smolders to blazing forest fires as one fights with all one's mental might, for months, and months, and years. Depression _can be_ relentless agony or turmoil carried around like boiling iron in a pot of lead whose breaches you frantically and stealthily weld shut.

[@rowan404]

@@haelscheirs_haven That’s depression too? I thought _that_ part was my anxiety. Most of the time, when I actually feel something, it’s that.

[@PauLtus_B]

This is really emotionally difficult.

[@Phroggster]

This is phenomenal man. Best robot-produced music I've ever heard... Wait, why are you saying goodbye? No, don't leave me, I can change I swear! I'll put on some makeup and work out some more. I'll pick the kids up from school more often. Put my career on hiatus. Would that make things better?

[@tiyenin]

*NO.*

[@chaconneind3777]

I guess I'll see you around, Seth... I'm sorry it didn't work out. Take care, wherever you are. I'll be fine. Be happy, OK? ... Goodbye.

[@jamesking2439]

Some classical music is so unrelatable that it *feels* emotionless to me.

[@Ziad3195]

Like what

[@SirLightfire]

I can't tell if it's intentional, but the way each melodic phrase ends so strongly, like a cadence, makes it feel like it was designed to be so "artificially sweet" that it lacks emotion.

[@kpunkt.klaviermusik]

When Seth gets emotional: "I feel like a robot in everything I do!"

[@filippopassarella7804]

If you are saying us goodbye, goodbye Seth, I will miss the smiles you gave me with your videos

[@loopiloop]

The problem with music theory isn't that it isn't emotional enough. It's that nobody really integrates any of it into a proper workflow. A lot of music theory concepts don't even aim to aid in the creation of music but are just neat consistencies that people noticed between pieces that people like, with absolutely no instructions on what to do with that information.

[@liyuan492]

Well said!

[@TimothyLowYK]

A lot of music theory has been trying to link particular things with emotional concepts though! Schubart has famously linked each key (or perhaps each key in the context of a particular tuning) to an emotion; D minor being melancholic, A major being innocent love, and so on. Particular chords in context have also been ascribed emotion; like the bIV being that of "bittersweetness", or I --> II being uplifting. Atonality and the 12 tone technique has also been used by people like Berg to attempt to convey fear or confusion! Of course, music theory is more often than not, not a set of hard and fast rules - but I've found myself adding a flat 6 or two in my pieces if I really want to tone up that heartwrenching feeling. But yeah I agree that structurally speaking music theory is really restrictive sometimes, and it's probably better to feel out the song first, then look back later and try to understand why it feels how it feels like.

[@loopiloop]

@@GreyAven If we know what a pattern we want in our music looks like, surely we can come up with prescriptions on how to form such a pattern.

[@loopiloop]

@@GreyAven There doesn't have to be one objectively right way to do something for there to be a suggested way of doing something. Music theory identifies patterns, and I don't understand why it can't also identify how those patterns could (emphasis on "could") be made.

[@loopiloop]

@JN-so6wt Language has grammar rules. You don't have to discover these grammar rules for yourself when learning a language. Grammar rules are by no means set in stone. They can change or be creatively broken. However, they still give each langue it's character and fundamental structure. Different genres of music should also come with grammar. There is no strict right or wrong, but there are conventions that make a certain genre recognizable and that make a piece more easy to "understand" for the fans of said genre. These conventions are very poorly documented, or at least documented in places that are hard for me to find. They aren't strictly instructive, but they still aid in the process of making music by letting you understand what's expected of a genre.

[@enk335]

honestly if you make music and feel this way just listen to some Mitski and take some notes that woman is a genius

[@juhman]

Music with no emotion is the music in those corporate training videos

[@yungsircashregister]

Basically think insurance and boom. Music without emotion.

[@chrisjamesr77]

That sounded vaguely disturbing to me and I'm not exactly sure why.

[@ThePhlegming]

Hey bud, I appreciate your work that you do and I love seeing them pop into my KZbin feed when I'm not digesting the hypnotic news cycle that keeps us in a constant state of fear. You're a breath of fresh air. I hope that you continue what you love doing whatever it is. Hopefully it involves making us think or laugh with your intricate mini musical masterpieces.

[@timmy9796]

I think music doesn't necessarily HAVE to be based on emotion. i.e. Bach's Die Kunst der Fuge: it's not an emotionally charged piece (unlike his Johannes Passion), since he was composing in a strictly technical and mathematical way - it's was Bach saying "this is what I can do with fugues", and people like it because of that. The idea that all music has to be based on emotions is a Romantic era concept.

[@air6699]

Yes it is called current pop music

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Corporate music has very little emotion lol

[@lastwymsi]

A feeling I know well. Almost just creating for the sake if creation. been a while aince I really had an emotional connection to my music. But how much of that is me? how much of it is my life environment? how much of it is the music? is that even a valid question? i really dont know

[@CA1TE]

been a little sad lately, I appreciate this one buddy x

[@brad3nnn]

he's back Idk why at 0:19 I was anticipating "melancholic blue" but uh yeah idk where I was going with this

[@KanashimiMusic]

He's back and apparently already gone again lol

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

Ever thought about how "my bad" is just a spoonerised "madbye"? "Madbye" is a "badbye" with nasal polyps and "badbye" is a "goodbye" which is ironically more effective than a regular "goodbye" because it makes people pause making for quicker escapes.

[@user-pe5xd3qh7m]

What.

[@rasmusn.e.m1064]

@@user-pe5xd3qh7m He says 'goodbye' at the end but it doesn't feel like a proper goodbye to me. More like a "get out of my own private thoughts, please, you stranger", to which I wanted to reply "my bad". Enter Badbye as a fusion between the two created by my brain fart.

[@MaydupNem]

either you're very smart or very high

[@thenameisgsarci]

no, i don't wanna see you go... not just yet...

[@ryno_io]

wow. the tonal ambiguity and the tritone substitution? as un-robot as u can get

[@arcioko2142]

it is possible to make, just check out whatever's in the spotify top 50

[@yokowan]

do you...do you need a hug, man?

[@theahughes703]

How do you emotionally connect with the joy you bring? I feel like a puppet whenever I sing. Systems are in place and questions need answers but really there is only so much you can get from a book. And I cannot see Who i am meant to be but theres only so much you can learn or discern from a look From a king Am I free or just a puppet on a string?

[@brennengrimes]

yes, its called middle school band

[@kiraoshiro6157]

time to let go *inhale* time to give in... time to say the N word... *inhales deeply* Ngoodbye

[@lazitazi5645]

Actually, yes. Because my siblings tell me time and time again that this is what I sound like when I sing; I've got the technique, but not the emotion. So I can hit the right notes all I want but no one will find it nice

[@RememberGodHolyBible]

On "everything I..." That I think is actually a "Cb German augmented 6 add aug 8 add 9" and not a B7b9 chord. I think and hear the C major the bar before becoming a flat ii chord in Bb. The melody is Bb major but the chord there is borrowed from Bb phrygian with a raised leading tone.

[@KatzRool]

playing into a robotic sound is probably one of the more palatable things you've done

[@Account-kv3jc]

I get Tally Hall/MGMT vibes from this for some reason

[@SaphTheBladeVAWatch]

Still more emotion there than most music nowadays

[@thijs199]

this was fucking aweseom

[@unatkami6084]

aaah that last good bye :'( almost

[@itsjustanothercarl8040]

If you really want to look for soulless music just look up corporate friendly background songs.

[@4xvndre]

Harmonic planing is apparently very emotionally ambiguous, to the point where composers use it as transition/filler music

[@Luca-yg5qx]

Would you like to share which programs you use to make these videos, e.g. sound library, autotune, etc.?

[@garybeez]

Ah! I am glad he is back

[@lonesomealeks4206]

I don't know what this is, but the answer is yes.

[@40_ton55]

Cooperate music.

[@autoimmunedefficiencysyndrome]

History is made

[@alphie1765]

You are not a robot.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Not you. Not even the sorting hat! Only captcha has the authority decide if someone is a robot.

[@arielorthmann4061]

Music doesn't have to convey emotions. Great composers such as Boulez, Stockhausen or Lachenmann have written beautiful emotionless music.

[@Ziad3195]

Their music is definitely not emotionless. Not in the slightest.

[@arielorthmann4061]

@@Ziad3195 I didn't say all their music. But I don't see where emotion finds its place in Boulez's third piano sonata, for instance.

[@laaplicacionlogistica_]

Fans del clasicismo: obviamente, es la mejor

[@ianmoore5502]

So direct

[@GizzyDillespee]

Folks, he's not leaving. This is how you negotiate your new contract with The Algorithm. First, the rapport - hey, we're all robots here, right? And then the threat to leave, embedded in a reminder of why The Algorithm should want you around. It's a standard formula, really. To answer the topic... yes, music without emotion can exist. But it helps to use the right tools. You can be as strung out as the red-eye from Goa to London, but unless you have a generative modular system, which thwarts every bit of musical structure you attempt, then some emotion will probably still slip thru. If that ever happens with Eurorack, you can always toss in a couple more quantizers and another random generator. Probably Buddha was right about suffering and emptiness, but emptiness doesn't mean nothing. That's a semantic misunderstanding. Unadulterated might be a better term, but it's still expressing a negative, which is inaccurate, but words fail sometimes. All things must pass.

[@droptherapy2085]

The answer to the thumbnail's question is yes. Ever listened to prog?

[@nateonytube]

why does this sound like Tally hall?

[@tommol7314]

you should really have at least 500k subs but sadly not many people subscribe

[@SkyP9812]

Wait, you're not really going to go, right? Tell me, all this talk of leaving... It's just for the bit... ... Right? ... Oh... Guess I'll... See you around... I hope... Take care of yourself... Goodbye.

[@SkyP9812]

P.S. Don't worry about us leaving if this is your hiatus-announcement. Take your time. Get some rest. We'll be here if you decide to grace us with your content again.

[@thmsrttg]

Woah, love the harp!!! Did you play it?

[@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266]

It sounds a bit like Gentle Giant lol

[@evangelhogelho]

Damn good damn It hits me hard

[@ThatOneGuyRAR]

You can have music without emotion. Just listen to Vivaldi’s Violin Concerto in A Minor

[@8Phoenix8]

You okay bro?

[@LoVE.B.]

Good morning, and good bye.

[@voltagestorm1787]

This had emotion :|

[@Christopher_Wheeler]

I hope you’re not actually leaving for good…

[@petterhouting7484]

Pop music

[@AtomizedSound]

Goodbye 👋

[@Txdcblues]

Making a song without emotion is easy, it’s called making a song with no key signature

[@Ziad3195]

That really isn't how it works.. Plenty of Omnitonal and Atonal works are emotional works.

[@pellekopp]

😢

[@rebelli65]

Train

[@itamarbar9580]

The answer is yes and they're called fugues

[@blitzstryko6568]

And concert snare etudes

[@Ziad3195]

Fugues are emotional and intellectual for me.

[@Gr8Davidicus7707]

First

[@notalinglingwannabe5028]

Music without emotion is technically baroque music

[@leodesaintsalvy6948]

Say what now

[@kreeperkiller4423]

care to explain what you mean?

[@notalinglingwannabe5028]

I guess I was told that music in the romantic period started to use expression and emotion

[@kreeperkiller4423]

@@notalinglingwannabe5028 I get how that could be misunderstood, but as far as I know, music has been emotional since the dawn of man.

[@leodesaintsalvy6948]

@@notalinglingwannabe5028 What actually happened in the romantic period is that composers started breaking more and more of the conventional musical norms of the time, making their music less strictly defined by precise rules as was the case in earlier styles of music. It's not as simple as that of course, but it's the general idea. So emotion was for certain in baroque music, it just might not sound that way to modern ears because for us it seems very stringent compared to all the "freer" music we have nowadays

[@GDRMLogos]

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[@GDRMLogos]

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[@GDRMLogos]

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[@aldobernaltvbernal8745]

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