Legendary Licks You Think Are Strange (because they're odd)

[@MusicisWin]

What's your favorite legendary lick or riff in an odd time signature?

[@sauravjb4711]

Most dream theatre songs

[@jaceyp.8457]

Music is Win never meant by american football

[@TonkaTheMagician]

Money by Pink Floyd

[@mattdoesstuff8987]

Might be out of place, but the last movement of Dancing Mad from Final Fantasy VI. It switches from 4/4 to 7/8 in every measure.

[@sashingopaul3111]

Jacob’s Ladder - Rush or Erotomania - Dream Theater

[@saumitrakarmakar8336]

Tool - legendary licks you think are strange because they were never released

[@tobias7985]

Soon...

[@sashingopaul3111]

Normie after you’re dead

[@tobias7985]

@@sashingopaul3111 they say it will be released after the queen of england dies, too bad she is immortal.

[@levibrooks1534]

I fucking love you

[@dillonmacpherson3350]

New album title?

[@user-el5mg4it9t]

Music Theory: _Has a tempo structure_ Tool: wUt

[@cupparuppa]

Max Niessl here on youtube does some amazing Tool tabs, and watching how often the tempo changes by just one or two bpm is insane

[@owenf2835]

it has a tempo structure?

[@milkwalkerjones633]

@@cupparuppa That’s what happens when you don’t record to a click lol

[@cupparuppa]

i am aware

[@johnnycsp]

@@cupparuppa .. . J,.

[@fakshen1973]

I'm waiting for the Tool and the King Crimson collaboration. They'll probably invent a new time signature... like 7.333/4

[@ryantorchia3202]

That's actually not a tough meter to imagine -- basically 6 quarter notes, then four eight-note triplets. It would probably be written as 22/12, or something like 6/4 + 1/3 and would be vaguely similar to the first example in the "Irrational Meters" section of the Wikipedia article on time signatures. You could also switch it around and write it as 22/8 with six dotted-quarter notes and one half note if you want it to feel like you're stretching that extra .333, or seven dotted-quarter notes and an eighth note if you wanted it to feel like you're chopping off the last 2/3 of a beat.

[@donovanburkhard]

@@ryantorchia3202 you fohckin drummer

[@LFSPharaoh]

1.618/3.1415

[@KiltedHammer]

I would pay to see that within 500 miles. Maybe further. I can just imagine Tony Levin and Justin Chancellor layering like Fripp and Belew do in Frame by Frame... while all guitars are doing the same.

[@brendongriffin4164]

they did tour together...

[@hermeticascetic]

You don't count Schism. You feel Schism.

[@edsmeds7233]

tool for your gut

[@Amjust002]

You measure that shit with your heart

[@woodchucksquirrel]

@@Amjust002 And your *_soul_* lelelel

[@christmas83]

This guy gets it. I never counted it, just kinda did it

[@Hadgerz]

Time signatures scare me. I just feel songs. I'm a shit musician.

[@JoelBonnie]

How bout Legendary Licks that aren't even legendary :)

[@adindubose9314]

... but they should be

[@nishant2279]

Smoke on the water

[@dinorei7364]

@@nishant2279 Funny.I thought about Perfect strangers.I was almost sure I would find it on a list of popular songs with odd rhythm signature riffs.

[@bazicuber1037]

Day Tripper lel

[@dillonmacpherson3350]

@@adindubose9314 so pretty much a cky video

[@MC-sx6ix]

A whole video about TOOL? I heard that right, right? Did anyone else?

[@bartekpekala77]

M C cant complain

[@blankearth5840]

He really should

[@aidanwilliams1660]

I'm down

[@Privacy-LOST]

I should've gone to music school rather than skipping school to play guitar.

[@iii978]

No. He making this over complicated by this signature counting. I know few people that did go and I've come to the conclusion that they are just parrots. They couldn't write a legendary or even descent lick if their life depended on it.

[@Privacy-LOST]

@@iii978 point taken. As an example Kurt came up with harmonically insane arrangements without really mastering or caring about the theory behind it. But not everybody is kurt, and I believe bands like Metallica, Led Zep, the Beatles, Zappa, and so many others really knew their shit. So it does really help.

[@Xolaeth]

It's never too late to learn about music :D

[@VarsityAthlete04]

@@Privacy-LOST Kurt sucked

[@Privacy-LOST]

@@VarsityAthlete04 Please back up your claim

[@emadeathmetal1264]

*Legendary Licks You Can't Play (because you can't)*

[@cidoet3360]

i bet smoke on the water gonna be on the list!

[@theosls3820]

This is going to be a long list for me :/

[@matthewdelgado839]

Burn

[@d0ngus]

So you just try play king crimson but immediately get a copyright strike

[@joker_storm2232]

2112 in one take

[@SlayerLazenkan]

when you understand (theorically) how schism is played, but you can't actually play it right and you keep trying to adjust the measures i know the pieces fit... I KNOW THE PIECES FIT... *I KNOW THE PIECES FIIIIT*

[@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454]

I can actually play it but know jackshit about time measures or so on. :/

[@hughflapjacks]

I just go by feel with schism, considering it's hard to play too fast or too slow when you have that muscle memory

[@jojoversus1100]

Makes me wish 12Tone would do a breakdown of Schism.

[@4kuj1n]

Interesting how the Schism is about the breaking down of communication and the whole song is a series of "mismatched" time signatures. Almost as if the two parts used to belong together but now are noticeably pulling apart. "I know the pieces fit 'cause I watched them fall away"

[@cfisha32]

Yup. And check out the significance of Lateralus.

[@RyanAcidhedzMurphy]

If memory serves Maynard writes the lyrics after the music is more or less done, so one is directly informed by the other.

[@Devin_Art]

I was literally going to say the same thing, its like the signature switching from 5/8 to 7/8 is like they are both "one" off from being in sync with each other. Its a so close, yet so far kind of thing. God damn, its beautiful haha. I always find something new with their stuff.

[@sejerrasmussen6537]

wow holy shit tool are flipping geniuiuses!!

[@ChickenShackIRL]

The whole of the Lateralus album is full of weird symbolisms like that. That album is mind blowing to dissect and study

[@el0j]

"I wish I wrote this" me after every time I listen to a Tool song

[@beardoggin8963]

OthMan They aren’t written, only ordained....

[@robspear03]

Tool sucks.

[@cesarmennig1385]

Chantal Beck you’re mind is just not on tool’s level

[@yourmoms5602]

@Chantal Beck Takes one to know one.

[@Krouwkaar]

@@robspear03 such a hipster you

[@jsohi0082]

If you're just looking for the licks, here they are. 1:40 - 2:01 : Alice in Chains - Them Bones 2:57 - 3:33 : King Crimson - Frame by Frame 6:10 - 6:25 : Radiohead - 15 Step 8:47 - 9:07 : MGMT - Electric Feel 10:09 - 10:38 : Led Zeppelin - Kashmir 12:40 - 12:55 : Queens of the Stone Age - Hanging Tree 14:06 - 14:17 : ^ I'm going to add more if you request it

[@alessandrorobertis426]

You dropped this👑

[@santaclause4579]

Bitch

[@kingstring853]

@@santaclause4579 damn santa you didnt bring me any presents 3 days ago what happened?

[@kevinm.p9989]

@@kingstring853 this between him An d jsohi, stay out of it

[@kevinm.p9989]

Yoshi howvyou gonnavadd more? You got more weird guys playing weird songs videos?

[@feral11-11]

Adam Jones, the guitar anti-hero. If his minimalist riffs don't blow your mind, it's because you don't know what he's actually playing.

[@Devin_Art]

criminally under rated as a guitarist, even as well known as he is.

[@carlosmatos9848]

I like 7/4, feels natural enough yet that missing quarter note keeps you on your toes

[@treewisemenllc7281]

Almost like a dimished note, or a natural, I forgot to play a note. In, every measure, of the song. Lawl

[@buddneusma6724]

I believe that’s the beauty of it

[@areallybadmusicnerd4632]

That's why its so sick.

[@IceKoldKilla]

Frame By Frame is one of my favorite songs ever. I've been diving into Progressive music for a couple years now, but slowly. And man, it's the most excited I've ever been about music since I was 10 listening to Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Korn. Small fact: Danny Carey from Tool said on video how Discipline (album) inspired them a lot. That if they ripped off anyone, it was them, that album. This was an old studio interview from the 90s. It's clearly the influence those guitar parts had on Adam when making Forty Six & 2. It's so similar. But I guess if you're gonna rip off a band, King Crimson is definitely one to do it from. 3 fucking drummers when they play live! Insane!

[@recipoldinasty]

Acually theres a copy of the frame by frame riff in tools cover of no quarter, at the end...

[@maurogalindez3901]

There's a couple of King Crimson's albums that'll blow your mind if you're getting into prog. Give Lizard a try. Also que 80's lineup of KC is amazing, listen to Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair

[@adrianlikins1314]

There are a couple interviews where Primus mention the same thing re: Discipline. It's a pretty cool album.

[@PDXguitarfreak]

Black Dog from Led Zeppelin, has some interestingly timed riffs.

[@nikhilbarretto5804]

PDX Guitar Freak 9/8

[@dumbdickler670]

I was gonna say the same

[@stevencruzgil8288]

In black dog you have 9/8 on the guitar and 4/4 on the drums. So the guitar kind of moves around the drums

[@adiiqbal8010]

PDX Guitar Freak jimmy page never plays on beat. He’s either terrible at timing of genius at it

[@garrettmb181]

@@adiiqbal8010 leaning hard towards genius

[@Mando011]

Licks that you think exist but they don't (and you're playing them wrong)

[@ponungboring6715]

Almost every riff I try to create myself

[@chiara9721]

That’s really funny

[@cuauhtemocmorisco3493]

Wut?😂

[@MindfulProgramming]

schrodinger's riff

[@MrRobRocker]

Little snippets of songs clearly fall under the Educational Clause of Copyright Law. Yet, we'll just wait and see ;-) ♥♥

[@StudioMontaneZone]

So happy to see Frame by Frame called out in 2019. Kudos on the inclusion and break down.

[@primeDecomposition]

For anyone who remembers a little Number Theory, 13 and 7 are coprime so the two riffs will only sink up every 13 * 7 = 91 measures (Least Common Multiple). Kinda trippy.

[@joshuawand3217]

That was the first though that came tomy mind when I was watching this part of the video...anyone got a clue why in all transcriptions online no one transcribes the second guitar in 13/8? All of them divide both guitars in 7/4 bars. Is this guy right actually? :D

[@Joseph-li3df]

They'd sync up every 91 beats, not every 91 measures

[@nikha1291]

*frippy

[@heatherperleberg7816]

KC loves doing stuff like that. The title track of that album Discipline does something similar, Neal and Jack and Me, etc.

[@l______________________l]

*"Legendary Licks That Are Actually Riffs"* *"Legendary Licks That Are Actually Hooks"* *"Legendary Licks That Are Actually Licks"* *"Unpopular Licks That Are Not Well Known"* *"Ordinary Things People Describe As Legendary"* *Ordinary Things That Are Quite Believable"*

[@mickjagger149]

This cracked me up

[@tran.srights7906]

*"LEGENDARY LEGENDS THAT YOU THINK ARE LEGENDARY (because they are)"*

[@flipclone]

either way, i just came here cuz i've just discovered lately that odd times are sprinkled heavily in the music that i love the most

[@omnimutant]

Legendary Licks That Are Legendary Because People are Easily Amused. Followed by Licks that are Not Legendary But So Mind Blowing That The Artists Are Dead Broke Because Most People Can't Grasp Them.

[@ldj7039]

Originally wasn't gonna sit thru all 21 minutes (at first), but you opened with Alice in Chains and hooked me. Glad I stuck around lol

[@patb8617]

L DJ same dude I was like *oh* I see you

[@samerk4024]

My favorite Josh Homme's odd time riff comes from Them Crooked Vultures' "Noone Loves Me" It is so good. Heavy as a jackhammer.

[@jamesblobb7115]

>King Crimson This video ain't staying up for long

[@TheZooropaBaby]

Adrian Belew would protect us all

[@stiperunac2272]

Fobert Bripp

[@scottvelez3154]

Oof

[@EzioMonty117]

But this isn't the official song so i think were safe from Fobert Ripp.

[@MaynardOwns]

Yeah it's not official audio. He's good.

[@shayfarley7253]

Schism is such a master piece of music.. frikkin heck. Gives me goosebumps and a wicked case of air guitar!!

[@bensilvester4531]

How about "Legendary licks you think are difficult (but it's because of the effects)"

[@w_stew8912]

Every Rage Against the Machine song ever.

[@paulojounin]

Rain by Rob Scallon

[@cuviemadeit]

@@w_stew8912 wouldn't work cause those morrelo solos take song long to master shits insane, I have studied his guitar playing for thousands of hours

[@hksagemusic1617]

Bodysnatcherssssssss

[@ThePotatusMan]

so anything by U2?

[@timcotter8178]

Isn't Tool known all around for having odd time signatures?

[@hippyhobo6285]

Yes they are. They're also known for not releasing a new album for a decade and a half.

[@slawaxas]

@@hippyhobo6285 Dude dont be salty itl propably drop this year

[@hippyhobo6285]

@@slawaxas i know. I was making a joke that's definitely too old to be funny. I hope they do release a new record though.

[@E12-v2v]

@@slawaxas well maynard is a troll so it might not happen

[@EmazingGuitar]

@@E12-v2v hes trolling that the album wont come out when it will. First it was "album coming soon" too "no album is coming" is a sign

[@DonkaBingus]

Setlist, because why not? 01:37 Alice In Chains - Them Bones 02:57 King Crimson - Frame By Frame 06:10 Radiohead - 15 Step 08:47 MGMT - Electric Feel 09:57 Led Zeppelin - Kashmir 12:33 Queens Of The Stone Age - Hanging Tree 14:17 Tool - Schism

[@satriaagungkalirasa3587]

Appreciate it man

[@blahblahsen1142]

legendary licks that you can never replicate because she left you 3 years ago and every other chick you find has a gag reflex and/or sensitivity to spearmint.

[@Thrasher987]

Why doesn’t yours?

[@wafflcoptr]

You okay, buddy?

[@cayce3162]

Holy fuck that have me a chuckle

[@guysmalley]

Blah Blahsen you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[@poboypowder7567]

guysmalley no, yours

[@melodyhough3980]

*Dream Theater:* Laughs maniacally

[@orionsarrow2119]

THANK YOU

[@stefanborbely3958]

Laughs in 13/7

[@orionsarrow2119]

@@stefanborbely3958 or 15/8 on one instrument, with them others alternating 7/8 and 8/8 to keep that tempo

[@Пресскот35]

King Crimson: hold my water

[@melodyhough3980]

@@Пресскот35 Frame by frame be like 😆

[@1bgrant]

Lateralus: main riff rotates through 7/8, 8/8, and 9/8. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@benparker2321]

It’s 987

[@simonenoli4418]

Main riffnis 987 and the stanza is im 5/8 xD

[@TheSharkAnt]

Wouldn't 8/8 automatically become 4/4? Maybe I'm an idiot and 8/8 DOES exist.

[@bartekkaczmarek2865]

@@TheSharkAnt i mean yeah, but it's probably easier to count if you have all 8s, than 9/8, 4/4, 7/8.

[@konekoray9323]

@@TheSharkAnt On paper, 4/4 and 8/8 are the same, but in practice there is a difference, and it is all about how you feel the beat...usually. The typical way it works is based on what note is felt the most throughout a measure, denoted by the bottom note. If it is based on eighth notes, it will typically feel a lot faster and energetic (or in the case of Tool, aggressive) than quarter notes, which in comparison feel more relaxed and flowing. If you tried to keep time playing Lateralus using quarter notes, you would very quickly lose track of the beat, because it is not intuitive. You do not feel a quarter note beat, you feel an eighth note beat. Easiest way I can put it is to not think about it too much. If you are musically inclined, I can almost guarantee you will feel it intuitively. Listen to it, let your body react, and take note of what notes your foot is tapping to. If you are tapping out quarter notes, its a quarter note feel. Of course it gets a lot more complicated when beats can be further subdivided like in Schism (5/8 and 7/8 into 2/8+3/8 and 2/8+2/8+3/8), but for most _not_ super complex and intricate music, just feeling it alone will suffice.

[@Tempo1337]

I would love a video dedicated to breaking down Schism

[@allgrainbrewer10]

Rick Beato did an episode on that What Makes This Song Great #15.

[@destructyo757]

He didn't get the main riff right, though. The version he calls easy and wrong at 16:37 is actually how it's played in the song (you can listen to the isolated guitar track and verify for yourself) Rick Beato made the same mistake in his video, which is so weird to me because it sounds completely off to my ears, and these guys are normally on point. Guess they based it on the same bad tabs or something?

[@yonikup2865]

*Dream Theater has left the voice channel*

[@reaganfriedrice5058]

Basically anything by dream theatre blows all of this out of the water.

[@alekisighl7599]

@@reaganfriedrice5058 Nah fam dream theater has extremely forced changes. Doesn't sound good at all. It's like they're doing it for the sake of it. Doesn't add anything to the meaning of the song and no emotions attached to it whatsoever. Feels like some jazz musicians took steroids and lost all their creativity. At least with bands like tool and king crimson I can feel the passion and emotion reflected in the odd times. Eg- in Schism, The song talks about a divide between humans. This is reflected in the fact that the main riff which can be compounded to a 6/4 is divided or 'schismed' into a 5/8 and 7/8 In lateralus the main riff has the times alternating between 9/8 8/8 and 7/8. 987 is a Fibonacci number. Maynard's vocals incorporates the Fibonacci sequence and the songs main message is to 'spiral out'relating to the Fibonacci spiral. See? These riffs actually MEAN something in the context of the song. Give me dream theatre song that does that. Heck give me a dream theatre song that doesn't sound mechanical as fuck.

[@karlamellado7299]

I think that songs like octavarium are overrated, maybe the only song were the long instrumental parts mean something is A change of seasons

[@alekisighl7599]

@@karlamellado7299 Hmm I'll have to give that a listen.

[@reaganfriedrice5058]

​@@alekisighl7599 Ok that i do agree with, dream theatres "sound" Is very.... clunky. But I think that's why a lot of people like them, their jumpy rhythms that constantly change Are what make the band. In Stream of Consciousness's Intro (0.00-2.03), There's this 5/4 time that occasionally switches to 6/4, you get this continuious "flow" IMO. Same thing at 3:50 when one of the solo starts, the time jumps between 6/8 and 5/8. this 5-6/8 jump is repeated a few time throught thesong, and i think it gives a stepped flow kinda thing. Most human's Consciousnesses wouldn't be completely smooth, but rather a little jumpy. Still familiar, but a little jumpy. The song "Panic Attack". A vast majority of the song is in 4/4, however there are parts that consists of 6/4, 5/5 and 4/4, that are definately jittery. Later in the song there's a part where it jumps from 12/16-3/4-6/8. In this part the only thing that really technically changes is the drum beat, most notably one of the cymbals, (probably a crash or a high hat or something idk). The bass plays a steady rhythm through this part. This song is meant to never slow down, and the constant _/4 time means the song has a constant, yet is ever changing. Songs like "constant motion" definately have weird jumps, halfway through the song the tempo slows down a considerable amount, only to speed up a little later. "A change of seasons" Is very jumpy as well, I believe that's fitting to the title, but it also is made up of 7 smaller songs which are written by different people, leading to the song feeling a little all over the place. Still a mad song though.

[@SPACYtunes]

Prog rock and prog metal are the kings of bizarrely extraordinary time signatures. Rush, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Seventh Wonder... KINGS.

[@dead_kennedys7870]

S P A C Y What about mathrock and mathcore? They’re literally based solely around time signatures.

[@TheBlenderGamingOfficial]

You forgot Tool

[@bemersonbakebarmen]

@@dead_kennedys7870 King Crimson invented math rock in Discipline. So mathrock is prog rock. The Battles is XXI century YES

[@Milpup]

So many amazing tool riffs, Adam Jones's tone is to die for 🤘

[@tassiegamer4516]

him and justin both write really well together, tool wouldnt br nearly as good without jc

[@educostanzo]

Tool and KC on the same video, that's what's legendary about this video!

[@GoR0901]

Adrian Belew's Side One (2004) will blow your mind)

[@obiboy813]

This puts another layer of meaning behind Schism. So the song lyrically is about a couple breaking up, two people that used to love each other that drifted apart, and the actual music is also "schismed" into so many different sigantures that seem to drift apart as well.

[@griffstewart1620]

*Robert Fripp joined the chat.* *Robert Fripp is typing...*

[@dontewalker6919]

Adrian belew rejoins the band

[@danieln6613]

*your video has now been blocked*

[@griffstewart1620]

@Danny I was told they removed it from there too, and I don't intend to check.

[@s3fruit969]

Saw Adrian Belew live and he played this song just a couple days ago

[@Flappy9]

Legendary licks you think are licks but they're not (because you're playing the flute)

[@Binaural03375]

Zach B I lol’d

[@guitar78ish]

Guess you've never heard Jethro Tull?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYjYk5utbbiieKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJrGY518j5xna9k

[@landoflogic107]

I would love for him to do that for the jokes.

[@georgeb9285]

Kirk Hammet wah

[@verandi3882]

* puts tongue out to lick the flute *

[@thomasfleig1780]

I'm so envious of that room he's got. Everyone should have a musical man cave.

[@konekoray9323]

What about a musical lady lounge? I certainly could use one. I need nice, soundproofed walls. I'm tired of all the annoying rattles in the windows and cupboards my bass makes.

[@kevinm.p9989]

Hahaha how about everyone has a house to live in clothes food and medicine first?

[@griffstewart1620]

Another great King Crimson song is The Howler. Although no proper transcriptions exist on the internet, a quick listening to the intro riff will reveal the time signature to be 15/8. This is counted as 8+7.

[@codynoname2640]

Nice avatar 😁

[@bluejaysbaseball]

Legendary Licks that you think are Legendary (but they’re not)

[@Messerschmidt_Me-262]

Smoke on the water?

[@dumbdickler670]

@@Messerschmidt_Me-262 nah, that's legendary. EVERYONE knows it

[@gradprutsers7467]

Wonderwall

[@ryanmathias1422]

Tyler Reddick Hey it's you again!

[@bluejaysbaseball]

Ryan Mathias1 Oh my god Ryan

[@SpiralMountainStudio]

The Fish by Yes is one of my favorite songs in an odd time signature. I also quite enjoy Sound Chaser too. I believe the main riff in both of those songs are in 7/4.

[@Aquatarkus96]

da daa da da da

[@RacecaR08]

Tool's Schism has 47 time signature changes Dream Theater: *hold my beer*

[@vitornathangoncalves2575]

The dance of eternity is a f****** nightmare to play

[@bill18286]

Vitor Nathan Gonçalves and to listen to

[@richardroberts1744]

It's not the amount of time signatures that makes schism. It's the seamless way it changes through them without feeling forced or really weird.

[@simonebevini4357]

Let's argue. Dream Theatre, expecially in songs like Dance of Eternity, create pure complexity that just wants to be felt hard and impossible to play (and damn, it is!!!). Tool put a thought behind its complexity, that connects with the lyrics and the meaning of the song (in Schism"I know the pieces fit, 'cause I watch them fall away" while the song constantly skips from 5/8 to 7/8 or, in Vicarious, "I watch things die, from a good safe distance" while the guitar adds sometimes a 1/8 bar to "extend" the riff, make it more "distant")

[@richardroberts1744]

@@simonebevini4357 hit the nail on the head. Both bands are complex in entirely different ways. I feel dream theatre write complex stuff(which is awesome) because they can and are freakishly good on their instruments. . And tool write the way they write automatically cuz of some sort of tribalism in their mind. It just comes off more naturally when tool changes time signature. Almost like they hit it accidently through the writing. So it's not showing off to a degree. It's just in them to write that way. Or that's my way of looking at it anyway. I'm in no way endorsing that either band is better than the other. Opinions are subjective.

[@Lyendith]

I've noticed that The Rev from Avenged Sevenfold was quite fond of 6/4 in the songs he wrote (he used it in Almost Easy, A Little Piece of Heaven and Save Me), but I'm not sure it actually counts as an "odd" time signature… Otherwise, that King Crimson example fascinates me… The things you can create by thinking out of the box…

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

*LSD

[@MrDASAXMAN]

If you're into the king crimson twist of eventually resyncing, check out "clapping music" by Steve Reich, it's a famous contemporary classical piece following the same concept.

[@codynoname2640]

Awesome! Thanks for the recommendation

[@jds373]

Literally this was my exact thought, Steve Reich has all sorts of phasing going on in his music but "clapping music" is probably the best example since the entire piece is just a phasing rhythm.

[@thejack0fhearts43]

Licks you think are riffs (because you’ve been tricked)

[@LJLewis94]

*Tony Iommi has entered*

[@codymchenryguitar5192]

I like your tat bro

[@rahulmanna1469]

👍

[@santaclause6839]

I see 6.5 over 8 in the thumbnail Let's get stupid

[@skatterpro]

I love you for including King Crimson. Absolute legends, and still remain among the most skilled musicians on the planet.

[@turbodistortionirmc]

Go see them live while you still can.

[@edwarddore7617]

They are only playing in three locations in the US, thankfully I live close to Chicago, I've never seen them before live

[@edwarddore7617]

That's a shame, I paid around $100 for my ticket.

[@daledavies_me]

Frame By Frame has long been one of my favourite King Crimson songs.

[@dickvandannydevitovandyke7307]

Have you heard the B'Boom Live in Argentina version? not as clean as the studio version but it's got a great sound to it

[@wbertie2604]

Very Reichian. And appeared after Fripp had spent time in New York where Steve Reich is from.

[@Orion854]

After listening, the whole Fear Inoculum must be here 🤟🏻

[@tgdrums5374]

scratch that, how about every single tool album to date.

[@dragostego]

FI is their worst album to date lol it's a solid 5/10. The rest of their catalogue is perfect and infinitely better tbh.

[@swaggareli]

ryan dirks Yoooo how do I get into the cool guy club? You guys taking applications?

[@KoDi82]

ryan dirks fuck you, buddy

[@brianwalendy3735]

@@dragostego "I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, Then You BOUGHT OOONNNEEE!"

[@Kylora2112]

How about "Legendary Licks You Think Are In Odd Time Signatures (But Are Really In 4/4 or 3/4)" I'll nominate one my band learned. Until I saw the sheet music, I swore the bridge (the "It's just another Sunday in a tired old street" part) on in "We Built This City" by Starship was in 7/8 or 9/8 because of the weird accents.

[@ivanbrasla]

The pot by Tool

[@HopperDragon]

The keyboard solo of lingus by snarky puppy. That shit is in 4/4. It really does not sound or feel like 4/4.

[@markovjp]

Anesthetize or Fear of a Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree. They could go in this video too though - both songs have "odd" time sigs and 4/4 sections

[@dinospumoni663]

I think the "Schism" heavy part at 17:38 is actually 7/8 then 5/8, not 5/8 then 7/8. Makes way more sense to feel it that way.

[@ShpiggityShpike]

You're correct, its labeled backwards there for sure, and helps distinguish it from the 5/8 to 7/8 verse, while holding the same overall timing.

[@mikefearon3577]

I can count it both ways and also as 2 measures of 6/8

[@mikefearon3577]

And as 6/4 come to think of it.

[@dinospumoni663]

@@mikefearon3577 You certainly *can* count it either way (as well as any way that mathematically adds up) but it's more about which way feels the most natural and which the composer intended.

[@DrXill]

Tool is one of my favorite bands, actually the reason I'm watching this is because i saw the logo in the miniature

[@tool4811]

Me 2 mate

[@icenic_wolf]

Legendary licks/songs that weren't written for guitar... but sound amazing on one.

[@icenic_wolf]

...should probably include Jimi and/or Boston's Star-Spangled Banner, etc.

[@Bragituba]

Of course I'd say Jimi Hendrix' version of the Star Spangled Banner, but everyone would expect that. Next, I'd say the Original Halo CE theme. Steve Vai came in and blew the doors off with his version in Halo 2.

[@experimenteight4550]

Every 00’s synth line

[@aknopf8173]

Asturias

[@maxscardanelli6185]

The synth line in 'The Final Countdown' sounds great on guitar.

[@jan279]

I feel like Adam Jones is underappreciated, perhaps because he's not the type of guitarist who takes center-stage in the band. Dude comes up with plenty unique and brilliant riffs that are very essential to what makes Tool such a great band.

[@kittysawunude]

9:04 Is that a shout out to Stevie T?

[@captainstrangiato961]

King Crimson might be the greatest band not known by most people. Criminally underrated.

[@fernandocrespin7201]

Crimsonally underrated

[@dontewalker6919]

King crimson is in jojo's bizarre adventure

[@notagod7804]

King Crimson needs the respect for “starting” the progressive movement that allowed Pink Floyd, rush and yes (to name a few) to get so popular

[@jeremyherz1969]

James Foreals my dad knew about king crimson and it’s not anywhere near the genre he listens to court of the crimson king is a great song

[@packratrust]

@James def not overrated.. just not mainstream today

[@therobotFrom94]

Schism has 47 time changes [laughs in Dance of Eternity]

[@pablomolina443]

Dream Theatre, lots of changes, no soul.

[@therobotFrom94]

@@pablomolina443 fair, but tool have never struck me as the most soulful either. It's all 'sex metaphors, drugs, maths, religion is bad mmkay'

[@pablomolina443]

@@therobotFrom94 I disagree, Schism is about interpersonal communication, 46&2 talks about psychology, right in 2 talks about envy and onther things, Vicarious talks about hypocrisy, Jambi is about love, is not all about sex drugs and math man. And also tool guitar is not about moving his fingers fast trying to show off, is about feeling an texture.

[@therobotFrom94]

@@pablomolina443 touché, I was generalising. You're also forgetting that my original comment was meant to just be a joke, and I'm actually a big Tool fan. I just like a laugh/to poke fun

[@pablomolina443]

@Randy Henderson I'll give it a try

[@Shevchenko_DBR9]

I was so hyped when he played MGMT and TOOL. TOOL is the best band of all time and Electric Feel is MGMT’s best song I adore it.

[@VangeliRock]

Been watching Tyler for a year. Just signed up for his GSS last week. It's awesome...for $50.00 for the whole year, you can't get better learning material and instruction. (not a sponsored post). Straight from the heart, great job Tyler. (And now I can say, when he was explaining Kashmir and Tyler said "you just move that up chromatically", well I knew what he was talking about! amazing. :) Probably my most fav post so far, now I am heading right to his time signature lessons on GSS..so much fun!

[@rbblr94]

As someone who played for more than eight years before even trying to learn any theory or what a time signature even is, for some reason these kinds of riffs never seemed too hard/weird for me... I always used to just take lots of time to figure out how to play what I'm listening to, lots of repeating or slowing down. All the kids who had money to take lessons looked at me confused when I played anything that wasn't in 4/4, especially my own stuff!

[@iota-09]

Enlightenment in ignorance. I can't for the life of me figure out any time signature, yet can easily spot polyrhythms, polymetrics and odd time signs, just without numbers... Meaning i can't actually do anything with that knowledge.

[@rbblr94]

@@iota-09 I know the feeling. Though, as a one man band, I did have to start figuring out some stuff to get recordings tighter, playing along with a click or drum program.

[@LOOMING_WRAITH_OF_BAD_OMEN]

Sick humblebrag, dude.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

@@LOOMING_WRAITH_OF_BAD_OMEN was waiting for this comment

[@revfunk8823]

Your setup is fucking wicked man....beautiful. love the guitar too

[@mikaelz7374]

Hey tyler! Could you do a lesson on how to use delay effectively? Love your stuff, keep it up!

[@ЮрийВолков-э7я]

Steve Reich and his Piano Phase endorses King Crimson soo much

[@mikealexander2005]

I already liked your content but seeing your reverence for tool just took it to another level.

[@space_ace_1]

The Dance Of Eternity by Dream Theatre has over 100 time changes

[@oblongjr]

Space_Ace_1 128 if I’m not mistaken

[@turbotoblast4]

I was surprised to not see it mentioned here.

[@Impzhahaha]

turbotoblast4 only Dream Theater fans would know it so its hard to call it legendary

[@turbotoblast4]

@@Impzhahaha Yeah, most people wouldn't know it, but it's pretty legendary.

[@alanmora1977]

Im’ not much of a DT fan but i really like that song, is one of their most famous songs

[@Rustyjamesman]

licks that are just people licking things

[@l0serk1d49]

Bobby i giggled

[@tonymc3817]

Dude, you looked like you were wareing a 👑 , nice jams

[@RC32Smiths01]

ahh starting off with AiC! and King Crimson is amazing indeed! Great work man!

[@charliejamz.]

No rush??? There’s songs you coulda pulled likeTom Sawyer and The Spirit of Radio, but I’d like to see an audience understand a song like Circumstances, or anything off of Hemispheres for that matter.

[@elongatednugget8541]

Lol that short bass solo on La Villa Strangiato

[@3powerchordsandanattitude212]

I was expecting Rush when he suddenly reappeared in a canadian tuxedo

[@c.g.vonhagenstein7576]

I came here to suggest Rush also. As you mention, any number of licks from Tom Sawyer, but also the solo from Freewill. I’ve never been able to nail that one in a way that sounds the way Alex plays it. Tom Sawyer kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6avc3-hac6Vd80 Freewill kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGjFk5d_ip5osK8

[@matthewdickens1628]

Kashmir is actually in 4/4. The first time through the riff the first chord is a D5 played twice. Every other time through the riff the first “chord” is a D octave played once followed by the D5 played once.

[@jmunley5714]

Tyler, your content is very entertaining and inspirational. Edit: oh my god I didn’t realize that He would heart my comment!

[@ChessCat1500]

Oh yeah yeah

[@ekinacc343]

Oh yeah yeah

[@ekinacc343]

Oh yeah yeah

[@ekinacc343]

Oh yeah yeah

[@rxjigglebilly732]

oh yeah yeah

[@maxjohnson9131]

haven't even watched it yet and i already know the ocean, and some king crimson song is going to be here.

[@bizichyld]

Thank you for validating and illustrating the way I always felt about that Schism riff. The facial expression says it all.

[@mutilatedoragns4620]

Robert Fripp is a master guitar player.

[@MaynardOwns]

So much so he said fuck standard tuning. And came up with New Standard Tuning. Kinda fucking crazy

[@EzioMonty117]

Not only is he a masterful guitar player, but he also has a masterful guitar tone. I mean listen to the guitar tone he uses on the intro to 'Starless' and near the end of 'Exiles'. It makes me moist.

[@asciirory]

You should have added a Jethro Tull tune to the list. They often use odd time signatures and compound meters.

[@kevinm.p9989]

And flutes. But he prolly don't know how to play the flute

[@sinisamilisavljevic8833]

Odd time signatures are standard/traditional in Macedonian and Serbian folk music, often adopted by modern bands. For example, the band Leb I Sol has tons of instrumentals like that. Try "Jovano, Jovanke" (7/8, also by Nigel Kennedy), or "Devetka" (9/8). Also try "Ajde Jano" by Teija Niku & Grupa Balkan (7/8).

[@Nesmorbutt]

Drop D with Double Denim, so metal it hurts👍

[@clumsyturtle8544]

The King Crimson lick is dope. The whole process where it eventually syncs back up is called something. I remember learning about it but can't remember the name. Someone help me out lol.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

It's Polymeter not Polyrhythm right? Or the other way round?

[@clumsyturtle8544]

@@sissy_christ666 Ok cheers.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

@Kuba Tyniec Thanks I thought it was one of the two. It's been a few years since my music studies.

[@leiflaudamus3392]

Permutation

[@ashleymee154]

I’m pretty sure Adam Neely did a video on this and he called it “lick phasing”

[@christopherrichey9137]

You had me at 11:02...talking about the odd beats...and worked that into your video edit. Wow. Just, wow.

[@aaronhamilton5839]

I have to say no Money by Pink Floyd??

[@JacksonFuller457]

Ya, that song is in 7/8

[@josephancion2190]

@@JacksonFuller457 7/4

[@MrTreyblob33]

That'd be more notable for a bass lesson IMO

[@scottvelez3154]

@@MrTreyblob33 Do bass players attend lessons?

[@Colorinos]

The title says ''Licks you think are strange'', I think the magic of Money is to be in 7/4 and sounding perfectly normal and catchy

[@DocLobster94]

Lengendary licks no one plays because they are “mainstream”

[@raphaelmorgenshtern3939]

i would say the main part of lateralus is insane since it’s 3 time signature changes on each repetition. you always trip up on that riff when you learn it but play to the song enough and you get it down

[@stevemaher8026]

I love your videos, I don’t know much if anything about music but you did a great job of explaining the weird time signatures so even a novice like myself could understand how it affects the sound. I’m gonna be listening for odd time signatures from now on 😆

[@benjaminvroman5553]

I’d argue that all of hanging tree could be conceptualized in 10/8 (or as a 5/4 clave). It could go either way, and I’m absolutely not insulting or criticizing your analysis of it, Tyler, but when I listen to the intro riff, I hear it more clearly as the 3+3+2+2 eighth note feel that characterizes the 5/4 clave (or 10/8 as 6/8 + 4/8). You identified the 10/8 feel in the solo section, but, at least in my opinion, I feel like the riff has always been expressing it (just at a different speed I guess). Again, I’m totally not criticizing you here Tyler, and I thought this was a great video. That’s just always been my impression when I’ve listened to hanging tree in the past.

[@jonatasoliveira3637]

16:53 that sudden look while saying "and maybe of all time" really built up my expectations on the riff

[@jonatasoliveira3637]

holy shit that riff IS heavy and sick

[@yeahhyouvish]

I guess you own guitar of every single brand in the world.

[@aronseeley8644]

You should do one about legendary licks you thought were by another band

[@bleyse1916]

Literally the first song is my favorite rock song. My day is a good one

[@icenic_wolf]

It's easier for my brain if I think of that Tool riff as 12/8 where one half of every bar borrows an eighth from the other half. YMMV of course.

[@txdrummerboy98]

It’s all about the pulse ... as a drummer, I very much hear this as 1,2 1,2,3 1,2 1,2 1,2,3 or, 5/8+7/8. Time signatures in 3, 6 or, 12 usually have a very distinct waltz feel ... counted in groups of 3 (8th notes or quarter notes). So, 12/8 would usually be counted 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 or easier still 1,2,3 2,2,3 3,2,3 4,2,3. Very different pulse.

[@txdrummerboy98]

Will Marshall yeah, I’ve played a lot of progressive rock and jazz fusion. Lots of time signature changes ...

[@joesosa41]

I see King Crimson and I click. I'll always take the time to hear more and more about King Crimson/Fripp guitar parts.

[@dvduadotcom]

You need a part 2 for this where you add some RUSH.

[@dannythejester]

Why do every (almost all) guitar youtube have a majesty series John petrucci signature guitar?

[@chocolateMAN200]

It's an awesome guitar

[@ragilmalik]

Because it's john petrucci. If it is my signature guitar, no one will buy it. Well, me and my mom, of course, but that's beside the point

[@dannythejester]

True is an awesome some guitar

[@commensensetalk9235]

@@ragilmalik i dont know if you own one but they are some of the best guitars ive ever played

[@EmazingGuitar]

They are built to a standard that i consider exotic guitars. The lamborgini of guitars

[@GeorgePiazza]

Props to the presenter! Odd time signatures in rock can be tricky, deceptive & hard to get a handle on; but the presenter (don't know his name) gives an excellent and (relatively) easy to understand presentation, with a great variety of song choices. It would be fun to see more King Crimson and Yes examples; 'The Gates of Delirium' & 'Close To The Edge' by Yes are both full of interesting time signatures (Close To The Edge has a wonderful polyrhythmic section, where the sitar guitar cycles around the rest of the band; and 'Gates'..). My favorite odd time signature riff is in Gates; it first appears at 10:22 on the studio version, and again at 10:59 & 11:22. One of the funkiest grooviest odd time signature riffs in rock. I wouldn't call it a riff, but one of the craziest time signature / polyrhythmic songs I've ever heard is 'The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum' from King Crimson 'The ConstruKction of Light' album. I asked bassist Trey Gunn what the time signatures were some years ago, he said half the band was playing 4/4 and the other half 15/8 (I think- it was a while ago). I still couldn't sort it out; each musician adds so much variation on top of the unusual rhythmic structure, it's hard to keep track (even though I played in a band that wrote & played songs in odd time signatures for years). To add to the presenter's info, the section of 'Frame By Frame' by King Crimson (Discipline, 1981) is an example of polyrhythm. Polyrhythm is a fundamental part of music in a variety of 'non-western' cultures (India, Africa some Celtic, etc.) and has been employed by Western Composers, e.g. Philip Glass, Steve Reich and others. Igor Stravinsky included polyrhythmic devices in his works, especially 'The Rite of Spring' (he also employed odd time signatures, and polytonality (two key signatures overlapped). 6/4 & 6/8: The presenter emphasized a three pulse grouping when describing 6/8; it's true that 6/8 is more commonly emphasized in groups of three beats (giving it a 'waltz' feel), there are examples of 6/8 with different beat groupings. Although the lower number (or denominator, e.g. 8 in 6 /8) often indicates a certain beat emphasis, the choice of denominator is sometimes based on the tempo of the music (i.e. the same groupings or beat emphasis could be used 6/4 and 6/8; the choice of /4 or /8 dictated by the tempo) but that is a minor and debatable point, especially with rock. More interesting: 6/4 can be divided in groups of two or three, or a combination of both, or a longer multi bar pattern shifting 2 & 3 groupings. Some pieces use a different beat emphasis from different players or sections. 'African 6/4' is loose term for a polyrhythmic emphasis of 2 from one or more performers (2-2-2) combined with a an emphasis of 3 (3-3) from others (the pulse emphasis can by dynamic - evolving as well). Listen to 'One Time' by King Crimson (originally on Thrak, though I prefer the 2003 live Japan concert on the 2 DVD 'Eyes Wide Open') for a relatively simple example. For a better (and more 'pure') example, check out 'Sebebu' by Aster Aweke (either studio or the live appearance on David Sanborn's Night Music; both can be found on KZbin). I'd say the guitar in Kashmir could be viewed as 3/4 or 6/4.. but Rock, with its Blues origins, it often difficult to notate (sometimes impossible).. it it works, if you feel it, that's more important than silly academic debates. It helps to understand different time signatures, but no self respecting rock group should sit around arguing if something is 3/4 or 6/4 or whatever, as long as everyone can feel & play the music.. Probably the most well known piece in 5/4 is 'Take Five' by Dave Brubeck (written by member Paul Desmond). It's tricky to get 5/4 to sound natural (Soundgarden did it well in the song 'My Wave').

[@babayaga1767]

a friend of mine, terry blankenship, played with fripp in the league of guitars. he told me stories about rehearsals. frame by frame was one of the pieces. robert is one intense dude.

[@yalikejazz4380]

Legendary licks Tyler Larson can't play

[@amyhowell5198]

Camgrow red no its Lyler Tarson

[@moai834]

Every vektor song

[@Anael272]

Part 2 pleeeease! Money by Pink Floyd Black Dog, Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin THE DANCE OF ETERNITY!!! A lot of Rush songs...

[@osareafallire]

2:58 Mixed odd time signatures. The Holy Grail of guitar dorkdom. I love it!!

[@flipclone]

ikr, never heard it before, not looking at the screen i thought he was playing Tool already.

[@abrahamcampuzano6809]

Pretty much all of TOOL's 10000 Days has a lot of cool time changes