"Musnad Gate" Imam Ahmad's collection not reliably traced to him | Mufti Abu Layth

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Mufti Abu Layth

Mufti Abu Layth

3 жыл бұрын

Mufti Abu Layth elaborates on whether the Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal is reliably traced back to him.

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@155stw
@155stw 3 жыл бұрын
oh dis one...Baba Gangu Telli going to have the fits you know dis one
@mustikhan7512
@mustikhan7512 3 жыл бұрын
Please Mufti, start an online course to learn to differentiate the islamic rulings mixed with culture, biased opinions of the interpretors.
@HasanDoesMMA
@HasanDoesMMA 3 жыл бұрын
Alriiite , Mufti Abu Layth Sahib
@RIMJANESSOHMALOOG
@RIMJANESSOHMALOOG 3 жыл бұрын
Mufti Abu Layth Al Maliki Al Birminghami Al Controversi
@danieljensen7333
@danieljensen7333 3 жыл бұрын
Wow abu layth, i hope you get to read this. I had a recent time where i was really concerned about hadith and so on. I really didnt know in what to believe anymore except the quran. But then i asked myself man how do i know how to prey then and so on. But then ive watched some of your Videos and they gave me so much light in the darkness. So just for clarification, the actual sunnah is brought by the tradition of the khalaf right. I mean it makes so mich sense. Not that i deny every hadith now. There are still beautiful ahadith. But i mean gettin rid of all these mean and raw ahadith makes me feel so frech now. I have just a particular question and i really hope that you get to read this. So there is a hadith where the Prophet assumingly forbids the lunisolar calender a few days before his death and orders to follow the lunar calendar instead. Ive seen a Video from some quraniah where they Shows proofs from the quran that the lunisolar calendar is the right calendar. They mentioned for example from surat al kahf where allah says that they stayed in this cave for 300 years Plus nine. So they said this calculation suits perfectly to the lunisolar calendar. So what do you think about the hadith. It is possible that the prophet was fasting his whole prophet life within the wrong month? I have absolutely no clue. Thanks in advance and i hope you get to read this. And i like you. You are funny 😉 Greets from germany
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
Mufti, also talk about the possible forgeries in kitab as sunnah attributed to imam ahmad son Abdullah. It also has narrations hammering Abu hanifa. We know most of the mutazilis who tortured his dad during the mihna, were hanafis. These salafis also hide these narrations because they are embaressed by it
@hassanabdaladl
@hassanabdaladl 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I just started looking at that book as well, and the first thing I said was.. "what the hell? Is this authentic???"
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
@@hassanabdaladl there are well known discussions where the sufis of today, like nuh keller and others have questioned the authenticity of the work. Khatib al baghdadi also bring many narrations against imam Abu hanifa. Bukhari brings a narration from yazid ibn harun in his khalq al afal ibad stating mohammed shaybani the propagator of the hanafi madhab is a Jahmi. It's clear there was ideological, sectarian partisanship in the early hadith scholars time that would have clouded a few things. Later ones lile ibn hajar and dhahabi try to play it down, but it because they are invested in this whole shafi'ee hadith methodology. Where chains of men are almost the be all and end all.
@hassanabdaladl
@hassanabdaladl 3 жыл бұрын
@@Adrian-yf1zg yea I was reading what nuh Keller was saying about it. I also just recently came across this jahmi stuff. Blows my kind
@introspectivex8346
@introspectivex8346 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because many “Athari/Hanbalis” hated Abu Hanifa’s method of not accepting solitary Hadith if they clashed with his Usool. This is what ibn ‘abd al-Barr says in his book about the 3 Imaams of the Madhabs. So they criticised Abu Hanifa because they didn’t like his methods. This is nothing new. It’s that “Salafi/Wahabbi” type mentality that exists till today. Bare in mind when Khatib al-Baghdaadi brings these narrations in his Tarikh he also brings some afterwards that show he doesn’t believe these things. It’s a historical work so he’s bringing all narrations to show the attitude that existed towards Abu Hanifa.
@hassanabdaladl
@hassanabdaladl 3 жыл бұрын
@@introspectivex8346 shaykh fawzaan actually said the derogatory stuff about imam Abu Hanifa in that book, isn't authentic, and was added at a later date. I don't know if I believe them
@darth_veda
@darth_veda 3 жыл бұрын
I would love for these imams and scholars from the past to live in today's day and age. Can you imagine Imam Malik walking into a Brelvi mosque... they'd physically attack him. Imagine one of them going to a peer function in Pakistan lmao... they'd call them bloody Deviants with a Big D.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
If you read the history of Imam Abu Hanifa, the oldest of the founders of the main madhabs, you will see that is exactly what happened to him. In fact most of the scholars from the early days were treated as such. And why not? The Sahaba killed each other after the Prophet died. Three of the four Rashidun Caliphs, also known as the Righteous Caliphs, were murdered.The wife of the Prophet rebelled (or led an army to Ali that then happened to turn into an armed confrontation provoked by sinister elements, all based on whoever you ask). The blood ran in the streets of Mecca and Medina, the two holiest cities in Islam, in the civil strife that ensued. The Ka´aba itself was said to have been damaged in the Seige of Mecca done by Yazid and his army. Muslim women raped in the streets by other Muslims. The grandchildren of the Prophet dead, with at least one of them killed and the other died quite conveniently. Maybe poisoned, maybe natural. Impossible to know with any certainty given the cirumstances. In the light of the above, who are these scholars to not get a bad word, a shoe or a slap in the face? The whole thing is like a pub-brawl down the Three Arms Inn!
@darth_veda
@darth_veda 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 Exactly Islam only ruled up until Hassan (RA). Everything else that came after were dynasties that so happened to be Muslim led and I don't think spirituality was at the top of their agenda. I often say Buddhist and Sikhs are more Islamic than the Dynastic Muslims.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@darth_veda You could be right about the Buddhists and the Sikhs. Although having studied their history, they seem to have been just as prone to start lopping of bits and pieces of each other if they were not busy with some other religious group competing with them for domination. I have a perhaps more controversial take on this in that it would at least seem to me that there never was any clarity on power sharing, power exercise and it´s goals, power transfer principles and at what point such transfer should occurr, how to control or hold political power to task and so on as far as clear instructions from the Prophet are concerned. In fact, it is not clear at all that there ever was any intent to create a state in Medina to begin with by the Prophet or that he saw that as his purpose, to become something of a worldy ruler over a land and a people. Certainly not from the Quran. And this is not just from after Hasan. It would seem the issue began already during the life time of the Prophet. The Mubahila incident, the Ghadir Kumm incident, the issue of Fadak are all examples of the Prophet either confronting some kind of controversy during his life time or where he does something or behaves in a way that is open to interpretation. There is the Hadith about the bee keeper who approached the Prophet and was told that as far as such technical matters as beekeeping, it was out of his scope and expertise and that he was only there to remind people as far as matters of religion were concerned. It is not clear what is exactly meant by these actions and moves of the Prophet. Once he dies, immediately the incident of Saqifa occurs where the Prophets family including Ali are with the Prophet and the rest of the guys are off having talks about who will pick up his ruler mantle. Once this point is passed, there is no rest among the Muslims. Apart from Abu Bakr who only ruled for 2 years, none of the other Righteous Caliphs survive their terms. They are all murdered, quite brutally. The place descends into something of a chaos with Sahaba vs Sahaba, the uprisings of tribes who now no longer feel any loyalty and of course, the whole gang of false prophets popping up all having a "share in this matter" of prophet-hood to borrow from Musailima. What I am saying is that as Christians believe in Original Sin, for Muslims the equivalent "Original Sin" is more limited to the exercise, transfer and overall ramifications of political power in the light of humanity and whatever goals can be derived from the Message of Muhammad of which the Quran is the central and primary part. It seems at least to me to have never really been resolved to begin with.
@darth_veda
@darth_veda 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 I hear what your saying. To me Islam doesn't promote centralised power or clergies etc. To me it's very straightforward it's more promoting a hermit lifestyle if anything. One whereby conciousness rules. I see the Quran as a book for guidance than a legislative book. I think this is where people go wrong. The whole point to me was that the Prophet was trying to perfect people's character on how to treat one another and what your mindset should be when doing deals between one another. It's seems more like social engineering than a game of thrones approach of conquest.
@al-muwaffaq341
@al-muwaffaq341 3 жыл бұрын
Wait so only Salafis/Wahhabis believe that Hadith=Sunnah?
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
Actually only Salafis believe in Allah. The rest of them believe in James, the local drunk down the pub.
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510 3 жыл бұрын
Imam Malik believe that hadith and sunnah are separate things, Imam Syafi'i believed it to be the same, I don't know about the rest. In terms of Salafis, of course they worship the hadith Lol If it's Sahih, they don't care whether it goes againts the qur'an or not, whether it has syadz or illat or not, they just accepted it
@saifullahmansoor2197
@saifullahmansoor2197 3 ай бұрын
@@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510 saheeh hadeeth doesnt go against the quran. one of the shuroot of saheeh hadeeth is that it doesnt contradict quran
@michealbadman6411
@michealbadman6411 2 ай бұрын
@@saifullahmansoor2197 You only know it doesn't contradict the Qur'an by reading the Qur'an.
@syedalimehdi-english
@syedalimehdi-english 3 жыл бұрын
Lol another one 😂
@aamenahkhan6108
@aamenahkhan6108 3 жыл бұрын
i believe is whtevr goes against quran arent authentic hadith.... these are sayings written by different ppl
@mohamedissa1998
@mohamedissa1998 3 жыл бұрын
Have you come across authentic Hadith that contradict the Qur’an???
@justchillin3492
@justchillin3492 3 жыл бұрын
@@mohamedissa1998 lots, A LOT
@saifullahmansoor2197
@saifullahmansoor2197 3 ай бұрын
@@justchillin3492 bro what are u talking about. 1 one of the 5 conditions of a saheeh hadeeth is it doesn't contradict quran
@justchillin3492
@justchillin3492 3 ай бұрын
@@saifullahmansoor2197 not in practice if you hear what the scholars have to say. They claim "sahih hadith CANNOT contradict the Qur'an", that is a pre imposed assumption that they hold. When the APPARENT meaning of a hadith and the Qur'an contradict, they resort to mental gymnastics instead of just rejecting the hadith as false. Why? Because if they do reject it simply on that basis that would DEMOLISH the reputation of their "sahih" methodology. If they put hadith over the Qur'an like they do now that would give the word "sahih" more legitimacy and give them more control over the people.
@saifullahmansoor2197
@saifullahmansoor2197 3 ай бұрын
@@justchillin3492 Sorry I have no knowledge over that to be honest but ik that one of the conditions of saheeh hadeeth is it cannot contradict quran. Allahu aalam
@henryseva1
@henryseva1 Ай бұрын
Where is th cntinuance of ths?
@GracefulConfusedAtoms
@GracefulConfusedAtoms 3 жыл бұрын
So is there any valid hadith book ?
@malikitijani
@malikitijani 2 ай бұрын
Not to him in actuality yes for him to actually postulate this claim would require that he thinks that the ummah is agreed upon lies which is in of itself against the nabi ﷺ
@GetAlongCunts
@GetAlongCunts 3 жыл бұрын
Sooner or later people are gonna accuse him of being Shia under Taqiyya.
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510 3 жыл бұрын
Does Shia have the guts to critique sunni books publicly? Lol But the fact that abu layth knew about this issues means that the early scholars have written about this, and maybe some have also problematized it
@GetAlongCunts
@GetAlongCunts 3 жыл бұрын
@@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510 The Shia don't have to do it. As you can see, your fellow sunni are doing quite enough 😂😂😂
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510
@muhammadrayyanfahershahab1510 3 жыл бұрын
@@GetAlongCunts Well you're right Lol The Shia have their own issues anyway so duh, better focus on that. Hypothetically, even if Musnad Ahmad is not used anymore because of it's issues in chain which the early scholars have stated, all of its hadith is contained in another hadith books anyway such as sahih muslim, sunan abu daud, nasai, tirmidiz, ibn majah, mushannaf abdurrazaq, mushannaf ibnu abi syaibah, ibn mardawayh, ibn ishaq, etc so yeah... it won't have any significant affect to the sunni
@arkan.rahmadian
@arkan.rahmadian 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video. An inspiring, educating and entertaining at the same time. As a Christian myself, you are one of my favorite Islamic guru of the internet and hopefully your honesty will always give you blessings for your work. I believe that you won't ended-up like our brother Dr. Yasir Qadi. Just beware of those khawarijs out there my friend.
@jj-yi1ne
@jj-yi1ne Жыл бұрын
worship god alone
@interqward1
@interqward1 3 жыл бұрын
The Djinns of Bradford... LOL
@asifbrettishmaelmakki9
@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 3 жыл бұрын
Yes bro😊.
@oeshkoer
@oeshkoer Жыл бұрын
Then what about Abu Hanifa's student İmam Muhammad he was only 14 when Abu Hanifa died. Yet the whole Hanafi madhab depends on the narration of İmam Muhammad's zaahir riwaya ? 😮
@khietbui7821
@khietbui7821 3 жыл бұрын
This is old news - it’s been known for many years that the manuscript of musnad Ahmad had problems being traced back to him.
@MuftiAbuLayth
@MuftiAbuLayth 3 жыл бұрын
im speaking about the whole book am not aware of that being discussed so classically but if so that's awesome (although that's not the case) theyve actually written in defence i.e Ibn Hajar etc.
@criticalrationalism975
@criticalrationalism975 3 жыл бұрын
Gangu Teli’s ancestors are rolling in their graves right now! 🤣
@clarejones2421
@clarejones2421 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@zahiruddin2610
@zahiruddin2610 2 ай бұрын
SOMEONE'S SEND THIS VIDEO TO UTHMAN IBN FAROOQ...
@bosbanon3452
@bosbanon3452 3 жыл бұрын
How about al muwatta?
@joshualim9469
@joshualim9469 3 жыл бұрын
Al muwatta only contains 1700 hadith if I remember and its transmitted by atleast two people that I know of which is yahya and the other guy that I forget the name
@ekaa96
@ekaa96 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshualim9469 Do you recommend it?
@joshualim9469
@joshualim9469 3 жыл бұрын
@@ekaa96 yeah, it's great. It's actually more critical than any other hadith book. Sometimes Imam Malik brings a sahih hadith but gives commentary that the people of medina in his time didn't recognize it.
@ydw8405
@ydw8405 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it so strange to have a 21 year old student to transmit 30.000 hadists ? it was written down in the Musnad by Imam Ahmad.. just normal
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
That was not the point.... From all the hanabli dons you had at that time, guys like barbahari coming just after that period, but before him all those hardcore hanbalis dons.... And you get none of them narrating this..... But instead you get a nobody, who some Consider weak narrating the book of the imam..... Also couple this with the alleged forgery and tampering of kitab as sunnah also attributed to abdullah ibn ahmad It is strange, this strong hadith orientated scholars did not preserve the musnad
@MuftiAbuLayth
@MuftiAbuLayth 3 жыл бұрын
so a teenager takes the only encyclopedia of 30-40,000 hadith whilst other great muhadithin e.g. Hafizh Baghawi (student of Ahmad's son) have never heard of it. hmm then this teenager surprisingly passes it solely onto another single individual. "acha acha" 😊
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 what did Bukhari have to say about one group of the students of Ahmad in his khalq?
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 also, you seem to be missing the point... The mentality of the earlier hadith scholars was to collect, collect, collect... It doesn't seem plausible these others would not have heard of such a great collection
@Adrian-yf1zg
@Adrian-yf1zg 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245muhammed shaybani transmits the muwatta, did he have to be maliki to do that? You're missing the point that 35,000 narrations, this huge corpus, is just narrated through what could retrospectively be called "nobodies". And it's one person to one person to one person.... It's also been a theme of around the 4th and 5th century, than many allegations of forgeries were made.... This is especially in referance to hanbali works
@kimabunuh6762
@kimabunuh6762 3 жыл бұрын
2:10? Was that a “jinn moment”?
@ekaa96
@ekaa96 3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHHAHA, love those moments of Mufti, so much infos going on in his head.
@kimabunuh6762
@kimabunuh6762 3 жыл бұрын
@@ekaa96 I was being serious brother 😊
@thorodinson4380
@thorodinson4380 3 жыл бұрын
@@ekaa96 Or, it could be just that he is sorting out his lies and in what order to say it best.
@ekaa96
@ekaa96 3 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson4380 If he is wrong about something, or its not same as your opinnion, that doesnt mean that he is lying, Thats just his opinnion based on his arguments and facts. 🤷🏻‍♂ So, chill. He cant be jinn posses, when he is always positive and kissing Quran after every quote and example... So please, have some respect.
@thorodinson4380
@thorodinson4380 3 жыл бұрын
@@ekaa96 Thanks for proving my point Fanboys like yourself are very prone to get triggered when they see their idol's reputation questioned, only because that specific person's ideas match your own. So in retrospect, you are not defending him, you are defending yourself Good Luck 👍
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
To A Spirit from Allaah the Omniscient You wrote the following to me: "@Seletar Roots Don't take ignorance personally. I do have special knowledge about Allaah. It's from His Light. And He's Pleased with me as I am with Him." Why did you remove the post? This was very interesting of you to have said. Can you perhaps share with us how you have come by this special knowledge? Do you speak to Allaah? Any visions? Dreams? Do you put sunglasses when the Light comes? Please. Don´t be stingy with the blessings. You mention that he is as Pleased with you as you are with Him. Could you share with us the moment you realised this? Were you sitting down or standing up? Was this when you became his Spirit? Do you have any powers of levitation? How about telekinesis? I have begun working on a wikipage so I need to beef up the "abilities" section.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 I´m into everything. Surely you can tell just by my interest in your ideas where you put yourself on the same footing as Allaah? Based on your utterances you seem to consider yourself something of a Buddha, oh Enlightened One. Tell us about it. Was it during your 9 years of unjust incarceration that these insights came to you? And were you in a cave or under a tree at the time? These are commonly the places where Enlightenment occurs. Oh and repost your comments to the revelations about the Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal in a separate post as I thought that was interesting as well. We need to try and collect the counters to what Abu Layth has said. I think one other gentleman mentioned something about designated or assigned teachers which could explain why officially only one person was assigned as the transmitter of the Musnad of Ahmad in it´s inception. I also saw an allegation about the Mutazila having distorted the Musnad of Ahmad. I need to check that to see how serious one can take that charge. You added your "haddassana" angle to it as well. It deserves to be presented.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 You already have questions that your posts have generated. Address them. I found that Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his "Masa´il" seems to hold the idea that everything is ordained by God, even criminal acts. That they are all decided beforehand by him. "“Adultery, theft, wine-drinking, homicide, consuming unlawful wealth, idolatry and all other sins [come about] by God’s decree and predetermination” / Watt, "Islamic Creeds" page 33. This would suggest that a person comitting a criminal act was only acting out Gods predetermined and decreed will. Hence the whole idea of being guilty is brought into a very different light. Is this something that drew you to become a devotee of Ahmad ibn Hanbal given what you mentioned about the 9 years of, in your opinion, unjust incarceration?
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 As far as I can tell, you have yet to answer any of the questions put to you. Either by me or by any of the other posters previously. In fact you seem quite adamant to only bring up that which you yourself feel comfortable about. Given your inability to answer other peoples questions, I do understand why you would prefer to stick to your own topics. That does not, however, make for a very good conversation or discussion to begin with. I still recall how this started and how you said you felt disrespected and unrecognised for your specific take on the Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, in the light of the revelations made by Abu Layth in his video. You did write one post about Ahaad hadith as well as comment on the single transmission set up in the Musnad by mentioning the "haddassana" angle. But that´s about it. You have never explained what you meant by feeling disrespected or unrecognised. You also mentioned 9 years of what I understood to be unjust incarceration. That too just went unexplained after you mentioned it. It seems to be a theme. You mention something quick and in passing, yet it seems to be quite interesting. Then you never return to it and instead go off on some long tangent that has more or less nothing to do with whatever topic is being discussed. Including what you brought up in the first place. It´s hard not to conclude that you lack the ability to focus or you are avoiding subjects and/or avoiding answers. Again, not very good conversation material. Watt was merely translating a creed mentioned to be attributed to Ahmad ibn Hanbal. The creed is to be found in the Masaa´il of Ahmad. These are written down by his sons Abdullah and Salih as well as by al-Sijistani, al-Nisaburi and ibn Ibrahim. In addition I believe Marwazis student al Khallaal too was involved with his own version and there are extracts to be found in "Tabaqaat al Hanabila" by ibn Abi Ya´la. Masaa´il just means "answers" or "replies" or "responses" in this context and there are several versions. If you had read them you would know about this creed of Ahmads. Did it influence your choice of being a devotee of Ahmad? Now if you are in possession of information that contradicts the above about Ahmad and the creed I mentioned, please, by all means share it! Why are you waiting or merely asking me new questions?
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 I am glad to have a reader. Do I still have somebody with answers? Or have you gone passive?
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 Even the question about you being influenced by Ahmad ibn Hanbals views on criminality, turning you into a devotee of his, in light of your own allusion to being unjustly incarcerated?
@hsmaruf86
@hsmaruf86 3 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Mufti you just nailed it again. You really naughty naughty.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣lol
@waniwahid
@waniwahid 3 жыл бұрын
Drinking with Left Hand?
@keepitreal2268
@keepitreal2268 2 ай бұрын
Where do we start with this flimsy narrative of abu layth… Firstly there are around 4,500 sahih hadiths in all sunni hadith collections. Almost every sahih hadith can be found in the 5 books: bukhari, muslim, abu dawood, an nasai, tirmidhi. So even if we discard musnad ahmad ibn hanbal, it would not affect us much. Infact what it show is that whatever is sahih in musnad ahmad is corroborated & found in the other 5 mentioned books with other routes other than ahmad. As for the transmitters of musnad, none of them are ‘dodgy’ as they are classed as trustworthy & one persons claim (Al-Fawaris - who is not that relevant anyway) doesn’t outweigh all those who affirmed the trustworthiness of the transmitters. As for a transmitter being aged 19-21, so what? If kids can memorise the whole quran then you think some aged 19-21 can’t transmit a book? What kind of silly logic is this? The lost in the flood story seems made up tbh. As mentioned all sahih reports in musnad are found in different routes than ahmad in the other 5 books mentioned.
@rashmoe7585
@rashmoe7585 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree with this maliki mufti cuz even if there is a change in letters, absolutely it should be a new hadith cus the narrations not the fiqeh system
@explicit_207
@explicit_207 8 ай бұрын
Hes not even a mufti 😭
@usamahussein4658
@usamahussein4658 3 жыл бұрын
So, none of the books of hadiths are authentic. That’s interesting.
@usamahussein4658
@usamahussein4658 3 жыл бұрын
@J C wow, so how do muslim claim to have a living tradition when their major books of Hadith are not authentic? Not only their books but even the directions in which they o point pray is incorrect.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as an authentic book in terms of Hadith. You authenticate Hadith by giving it various classifications. If you examine the criteria for giving such classifications and then delve into the extensive litterature available you will find that there is much more than first met the eye back when you swallowed the whole "these are the authentic books of Hadith" malarkey. You come to realise that you must be a lot more careful and a lot more involved and knowledgeable. I am not really sure where the problem is? Outsourcing your accountability to other people with beards and turbans is what got Muslims into trouble to begin with...
@usamahussein4658
@usamahussein4658 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 that was a very interesting response. It appears that you know a lot more about this than I do, so can you answer a question for me: the books of Hadith are made up of independent reports, am I correct here? Since these major books that are falsely attributed to imam Ahmad and Bukhari, should we even trust the independent reports recorded in these books?
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@usamahussein4658 A non sequitur. Attributing the books to one or the other luminary or scholar is one matter, the reports found in them another. As for the books conclusively proven to be false, I have yet to see that. What is happening is that the claim that these books are compiled by either Imam Bukhari or Imam Ahmad and no one else, with no alterations or changes made to them is being seriously questioned. In addition, this process has led to several of the "sahih" hadith found in each of the compilations to be called into question. Which in turn, as a domino effect, has made the practices used to reach certain levels or determinations of hadith veracity or hadith classification come to light. And of course, be questioned. This does not mean that the Hadith either as a whole body of work nor in its parts is falsified or to be discounted. This would be a conclusion reached only by those who either wish it were so or by those who simply do not understand. I think this is why islamic scholars throughout the ages (and you can be sure what is being discussed now has always been known, these are not new revelations) have avoided discussing this out in the open. The fear is that people uninitiated or already filled with doubt will grab on to this and lose faith or make something out of this that it isn´t. Which would just lead to the scholars having their work cut out. But. The cats out of the bag now so. Besides. Like I said. The outsourcing of responsiblity has gone on for too long. You are all responsible and accountable. Either step up or get ready to be judged. By your peers of today no matter creed or society and if you believe in it, your Rabb in the Hereafter.
@usamahussein4658
@usamahussein4658 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 interesting, to the best of my little knowledge on this subject should I believe or rather think that there was only one versions of these major collections or were there multiple versions of these major books?
@mrty5213
@mrty5213 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@ainaltair3217
@ainaltair3217 3 жыл бұрын
Who knows, the mutazalites may have destroyed or distorted his work.
@thrallingFRglory
@thrallingFRglory 3 жыл бұрын
The Mutazilites were slaughtered and their works destroyed. Considering that they lost favor somewhere around the time of Hanbal, they weren't really in a position to do anything. If anything, it was they that had their works distorted.
@user-iz4nj5ee4x
@user-iz4nj5ee4x 3 жыл бұрын
What a liar , how low can he get.
@user-iz4nj5ee4x
@user-iz4nj5ee4x 3 жыл бұрын
@@JMDrake-vm8gg ????
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 3 жыл бұрын
Chapter: The Contour of Allaah's Supreme Shape, that is Entirely Separate and Transcendent in Highness from His Creation, by which He Names Himself: the Most Transcendent [العلي]. Allaah (عز وعلا) does not look like a beast, or a tree, or a star, or a box, etc. But, His Appearance, or His Form, or His Shape, or His Figure, is like that of Adam: meaning, He has a Face like Adam, in the Essence that He Has Two Eyes on His Face, and not more or less; that He Has one Mouth, not more or less; that He Has two Ears, not more or less; that He Has one Nose, not more or less; that He Has the perfect contour of Teeth when He Smiles. To put things into perspective: if you were to role up the Heavens and the Earth into a scroll, and than you unroll and spread the entire scroll, that is like the Diameter of one of His two Eyes. His two Beautiful Eyes are composed of Infinite Cones that reflect information to His Supreme Mind and Heart. Thereby, He (البصير) is able to see all things, hidden and apparent. While, we, human beings, have the maximum of eight cones that deflect light (information) to our minds and hearts, by which, we see the shapes and colors of the things that He Created, in our individual perspective and perception, with incomplete knowledge. The Infinite Power of His Eyes leaves Him without any blind spots in the entirety of all universes, whether at the tiniest quantum levels, or otherwise the largest of things. This Infinite Power of His Eyes, can easily destroy a universe if He lifts His Veil from His Face that Transcends Him beyond comprehension or equation. And, His Eyes can lift, by His Want, a person to the Heavens just as He did with Jesus the Christ and Elijah the Prophet (عليهم السلام). The ascending and descending of all souls, angels and their sub-class (الجن), is due to Him. He does not ever close His Eyes: He (مالك الملك) never needs to blink. The Infinite Cones in His Eyes is what keeps a bird in the air, what brings down the rain, and what keeps the ocean and sea levels to rise (flood) or fall (drought) in the Earth. This is all done by Him from above His Throne (العرش) where He Lives, AND, He is Above all things by which everything living, by His Will, is underneath Him. It is His Supreme Spirit (Supreme Energy/Shadow) that He Extends to keep your heart beating. The seven heavens and the Earth cannot contain Him, yet the heart of a believer can contain Him (that is by His Supreme Spirit). His Spirit is extremely neigh to everything, by His Will, even closer than your jugular or heart's veins. He is wherever He wants to be, by this determination and definition only: He is the Omnipresent, Who has the Ability to be, or NOT to be, at a place or a thing (like the burning bush of Moses (عليه السلام)). It should be comprehended and noticed that: His Spirit is Separate, Unique, and Distinct from all other spirits (including us human beings); although, His Spirit Extends, Hovers, and Envelopes, from His Face, to the nearness of all of His Creation. That, His Body Contains the topology of two Shoulders, two Arms, two Hands, two Legs, two Shins, and two Feet: not more or less: all of them Infinitely Supreme. That He has Five Fingers on each Hand, and Five Toes on each of His two Feet. That, He has the Supreme Heart. That He Lives, by Eternity, in His own Paradise. His Personal Paradise is beyond His Throne (عرش الرحمن), thus He is the Most High and the Most Transcendent ( فهو العلي العظيم). The Spectrums of the Senses of Allaah are beyond our imaginations. Thus, He is the Owner of Time and Timelessness (الله هو الداهر الديّان). He has Complete and Encompassing Power over all things, by which, He is the Omnipotent and the Omniscient. The Veil of Allaah that clothes Him, is His Pride and His Greatness, and whomever competes with Him in these two characteristics (of His Pride and His Greatness), He shall let them taste a tormenting punishment (الكبرياء والعظمة لله رب العالمين). He is not formless, but He Gives everything its form; Neither is He in lack of an appearance, but He Gives Himself an appearance that appeals beauty to the beholder of eyes. He is not shapeless, but His Shape is that of Supremacy and of the Most Awe, for those who have discerning hearts. His Figure contours the shape of His liking, that He Wills what He Wills from His Supreme Conscience. He is Who He is: the Magnificent Lord of all there is, the One and the Only! Yet, He (سبحانه وتعالى) doesn't eat or drink, because He doesn't have a stomach nor intestines. And, HOWEVER, He isn't made from the same substance as Adam was made from, or we are made from, that is: Clay. His Body (سبحانه وتعالى) is made from the Purest and Perfect Elements that He does not suffer from entropy. He can Change His Appearance Willingly, while we cannot. He (عز وعلا) does not multiply, while we multiply into men and women. He Stays in the state of Oneness, while everything else is Divided by Him. There isn't anything more Valuable or more Treasured other than Him: THEREWITH, He is the only Diety worthy of our worship, and our glorification of Him (ذو الجلال والإكرام). هذا بنور الله الداهر الديّان - لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له ، له الملك وله الحمد ، يحيي ويميت ، بيده الخير ، وهو حي ولا يموت ، وهو يطعِم ولا يطعَم ، وهو على كل شيء قدير - يا حي يا قيوم برحمتك أستغيث ، أصلح لي شأني كله ، ولا تكلني إلى نفسي طرفة عين - بسم الله في أوّله وآخره -
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 3 жыл бұрын
Chapter: [الحيّ القيّوم]: Allaah Superintendents Himself and all things. The Premier System of the Supreme Body of Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) is closed (الحد اللهِ), such that His Omni-energy in this Bodily System is maintained by Him: 1. without any deficiencies whatsoever or loss, 2. without any intervention, violation, or interference from any thing. Allaah does not suffer from entropy, by which His Being does not endure a gradual decline into disorder. By Him, all things are in order; and by Him, His Own Self and Oneness is in order (without chaos). Whenever He does an Action (which are Omni-Perfect and Omni-Complete), like Seeing, Hearing, Walking, Running, Ascending, Descending, etcetera: His Omni-energy Levels (which are Omnipotent) are recycled without any alteration such that He does not Feel tired, drowsy, or sleepy, maintaining Himself and all of His creation. Thereby, He Describes Himself by Declaring in the Verse of the Sovereignty: [لا تأخذه سنة ولا نوم] "Neither slumber nor unconsciousness overtakes Him." Because His Body is a closed system, all of His Energy is conserved, by which Allaah is Immortal and Everliving. Therefore, He is [الحيّ]. Allaah Maintains Himself, and no one maintains Him; in addition, He Maintains everything other than Himself. He does not have a stomach nor intestines; He does not eat nor drink. Everyone needs Him, but He does not need anything. Thus, He is [القيّوم]. His Omnipresent and Omnipotent Spirit which Originates from His Face to His Body, Extends its Omni-energy to the heavens and the earths, and Extends to all things like a Formless and Formed Supreme Aura, by which everything is maintained by Him. But His Omnipresent Spirit, which is the Most Powerful that Envelopes and Hovers in His creation, is Separate from all of the other spirits He Created. The Supreme Spirit of Allaah becomes Omnipresent and Transient by His Will, when He Extends It to a place where He Intends it to be from above the Grand Throne (العرش) where He is Living and Existing Eternally. By which, His Supreme Spirit is not everywhere at all times in this sense, but is Omnipresent in the ultimate sense that His Presence, when Applied by Him, is precisely where He Wants it to be, with Him using infinitesimal amount of His Might and Power. Absolutely, His Supreme Spirit Extends to a location by His Omni-energy, similar to the Burning Bush at Mount Sinai whereby Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) Spoke to Moses (عليه السلام). The Burning Bush was a Form and Part of the Supreme Spirit of Allaah (ذو الجلال والإكرام). And He Explains His Superintendence of all things by these Grand Proclamations: [وسع كرسيه السماوات والأرض ، ولا يئوده حفظهما وهو العلي العظيم], "His Kingdom Extends to the heavens and the Earth; their preservations overwhelm and burden Him not. And He is the Most High (or the Most Transcendent) above all living things, (and) the Most Great, the Greatest of all living things." (وَعَنَتِ الْوُجُوهُ لِلْحَيِّ الْقَيُّومِ - ) [Part of Surah Ta-Ha 111] "The Face for the Everliving and Everlasting Subordinated (all things)." (أَفَمَنۡ هُوَ [قَاۤئِمٌ] عَلَىٰ كُلِّ نَفۡسِۭ بِمَا كَسَبَتۡ - ) [Part of Surah Ar-Ra'd 33] "So, Is there anyone (who has the ability) to Maintain and Superintendent all beings by which they earn and are measured (besides Allaah)?" (وَمِنۡ ءَایَـٰتِهِۦۤ أَن [تَقُومَ] ٱلسَّمَاۤءُ وَٱلۡأَرۡضُ بِأَمۡرِهِ - ) [Part of Surah Ar-Rum 25] "And, amongst His proofs (of His Existence) is that: the Heaven and Earth remain (a closed stable system without any void except that He Fills it to Keep it balanced with harmony) by His Command." It is because of this, that we ask Allaah to tread us on the path that lead us to istiqaamah (استقامة), that is for our bodies to be sempternally premium and immortal, which will allow us, the people of Gardens of Eternal Bliss to walk with Allaah (عز وعلا) and see Him. Therewith, we pray everyday by saying: (اهدنا الصراط المستقيم - ) [Surah Faatihah 6] "Superintend us (O' Allaah) to the transposition of those who will maintain themselves (with immortality and sub-supremacy in the Everlasting Gardens that do not suffer from entropy)." قال الشيخ ابن تيمية في العقيدة الواسطية : يقول العلماء : القيّوم هو قائم بنفسه القائم على غيره ، وإذا كان قائمًا على غيره - هذا بنور الله الداهر الديّان - بسم الله في أوّله وآخره - لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له ، له الملك وله الحمد ، يحيي ويميت ، وهو على كل شيء قدير - اللهم أنت وليّ في الدنيا والآخرة - يا حي يا قيوم برحمتك أستغيث ، أصلح لي شأني كله ، ولا تكلني إلى نفسي طرفة عين -
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 Omni-energy. I say, good stuff! What about portals to other dimensions?
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 It all depends on how you define dimensions.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
@@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 Other realities existing in a different energy state.
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245
@aspiritfromallaahtheomnisc3245 3 жыл бұрын
@@seletarroots3258 Chapter: the Philosophy of the Reality of the Multi-Dimensions The dimensions of a system which has living and non-living creatures, Created and Originated by Allaah (the Omni-apophatic Diety and Lord of all things), are of these types and their spectrums: 1. length (front-ness) of a thing or a system; 2. breadth (sides) of a thing or a system; 3. height of a thing or a system; 4. depth or density of a thing or system; 5. time (or sempternity) of a thing or a system; 6. frequency of a thing's appearance (continuation and discontinuation, or bandwidth) over a reality of three-dimensional spaces; 7. pressures (or forces: such as temperature) on each element of a system that produces the shapes and contours of elements in a system; 8. temperament of emotions in a thing or a system (like anger/love, euphoria/depression, grace/envy, healthiness/illness, ecstasy/pain, tranquility/distress, etc.) [this is always zero in non-living things, and sometimes zero in living things such as plants]; 9. interference, violation, and intervention in a thing or a system, such as inputs (additions), outputs (subtractions); 10. feedbacks/senses of a thing or a system that defines certain periods of loss or gain of temperaments and temperatures; 11. conservation (filling or deleting) of a thing or system for restoration and recyclability; 12. symmetry or non-symmetry of a thing or a system or their elements (such as frequencies in DNA/RNA); 13. organization or placement in a system or a thing; 14. form (mass) and formlessness (masslessness) of a spirit/energy (or multiple of spirits) in a thing or in a system that has the ability to multiplex or de-multiplex beyond its means of relatively in singular place or multiple places over time; 15. transmutation/metamorphosis (the ability of ease or failure of a thing, or a system, to change form or become formless); 16. rank or value (elevation or devaluation) of a thing or system (spectrum of comparatives); 17. goodness or wickedness in a thing or system; 18. subjectivity/attraction: beauty and ugliness of a thing or a system; 19. brightness or darkness in a thing or a system; 20. movement (displacement, velocity, or acceleration) of a thing or system; 21. reality/position of a thing or a system within another thing or a system by the Realization of Allaah; 22. reactions between transmutations/metamorphosis of a thing or a system; 23. permeability/penetrability of a thing or a system; 24. elasticity/flexibility of a thing or a system; 25. correlation/compatability of a thing or a system to another; 26. reproductive ability of a thing or a system; and 27. intensity of conscienceness, or awareness, or focus of a thing or a system. The basic dimensions of a thing, or a system, are the first three dimensions over a certain temperature (or temperature-less), which reveals its state, where everything else is non-existent or void or inactive. There are six fundamental states which make up or combine/compound all matters or substances in their frequencies of appearances: 1. solid; 2. liquid; 3. gas; 4. plasma (ionized gas); 5. dark matter; and 6. light matter. All things or systems either have or do not have: 1. individualism (شخصية); 2. personality/characteristics (صفاتية); 3. mind & heart (نفسيه); 4. spirituality (روحية); 5. body/substance (جسمية); and 6. uniqueness (أحدية). لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم - يا حي يا قيوم برحمتك أستغيث ، أصلح لي شأني كله ، ولا تكلني إلى نفسي طرفة عين - يا حي يا قيوم أنت وليّ في الدنيا والآخرة ، توفّني مسلما والحقني بالصالحين والمحسنين ، واجعلني من الصابرين ، رب تقبل مني فإنك السميع والبصير ، لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك -
@invisible8267
@invisible8267 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing new, just copy and paste from the orientalist.
@seletarroots3258
@seletarroots3258 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Could you explain why you say that?
@alextremodelnorte1905
@alextremodelnorte1905 3 жыл бұрын
Muhammad 5️⃣0️⃣➡️👳 ♥️❔👧6️⃣⬅️Aisha
@snappedthem
@snappedthem 3 жыл бұрын
never
@GAMING24HOURS693
@GAMING24HOURS693 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever watch zakir naik on this topic?
@alextremodelnorte1905
@alextremodelnorte1905 Жыл бұрын
He is trash on all topics he allegedly discusses.
@GAMING24HOURS693
@GAMING24HOURS693 Жыл бұрын
@@alextremodelnorte1905 are you atheist
@oeshkoer
@oeshkoer Жыл бұрын
Wasnt the Abdullah declared a Mujassim?
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