Mutiny on the Storozhevoy - SEA POWER

[@GiangNg320]

You see, comrade Stealth, those bomb are guided by our glorius leader hand. No matter how hard you tried, they will always hit. 😂

[@Mechanized85]

Guess not, it’s out of lucks.

[@cent348]

Scenario has been updated to a little more easier, less bombers. Note during the real mutiny the Soviet Airforce sent about 60 warplanes for the Storozhevoy. :D

[@Stealth17Gaming]

Wow ok. So this was the easier version.

[@pasha_exodite6475]

Thanks for the mod, it's really a wonderful piece of history. In Russia it's rumored that at some point Sablin realised that nobody would let him speak to the nation, and Baltic Fleet and Naval Aviation will simply sink his ship, so he tried to change his course for Sweden to ask for a political asylum for himself and the part of his crew that supported him. He didn't quite make it anyway. It's still disputed though, as this whole story and many of its facts are still under the shroud of propaganda and secrecy.

[@raa729]

The crew freed the captain and then regained control of the ship and surrendered. All went to gulag, including the captain, Sablin was executed. No hits were on target, bombers only managed to hit a friendly ship from pursuing flotilla, despite Storozhevoy actually did not shoot back

[@pasha_exodite6475]

@@raa729 well, not exactly. Sablin was executed - yes. But he actively insisted that the whole mutiny thing was his own responsibility and begged to spare the crew. So for others the consequenses were surprisingly soft: only a single sailor (who assisted Sablin most actively) was sentenced for 8 years in prison. Others were just lowered in ranks and transferred to other ships and fleets while signing a non-disclosure agreement, and some others were fired from the military. The ship herself was tranferred to the Pacific and given the entirely new crew and captain.

[@christofferthunberg5479]

@@pasha_exodite6475 the real red october yes :) not the movie. I saw a documentary about some years ago about it.

[@tonyc.6205]

Maybe the political officer should have waited to be stationed on a more capable ship before attempting a mutiny...

[@pasha_exodite6475]

WOO-HOO, I made it! I've really, really enjoyed this scenario. The only drawback is that IRL the Soviets sent Yak-28's against the Storozhevoy, but since there's no such plane in the game (for now) i think it's ok. Some tips for you, guys (spoiler warning): 1. At the wery beginning, turn on air search radars and head North at full speed, it will give you a bit more precious time between attacks and better angles 2. Set "weapons hold", there's no use in wasting your limited 76mm ammunition anyway (guns will never hit the plane uless it's within the distance of a bayonet jab) 3. The most important thing: as soon as you see incoming jets, manually fire a salvo of 2 missiles at each, this will give you the maximum possible hit probability. If you're lucky, you'll have "1 salvo = 1 kill", but even if you're not, you'll still have time for 1 more salvo before the enemy drops bombs. 4. After you've dealt with the air threat, turn off all your radars and continue heading North as far as possible, then head SW along the coast of the Saaremaa island. This will allow you to outmaneuver a formation of small torpedo boats without engaging them - they will continue to rush East searching for you. 5. Finally, there are some corvettes near the very exit from Gulf of Riga. You can just sneak past them, or try to destroy them, but remember that your "early" SS-N-14A Silex can hit submarines only, not the surface ships, and your torpedoes are also anti-sub only, so your only option is 76mm guns - think twice if you really-really need to fight such a battle.

[@ElGordodeAlemana]

Someone ask William Shatner how to play this one 😂

[@Stealth17Gaming]

He'd hack the scenario I bet

[@Gordfras]

I guess that the man in charge was wearing a red shirt. 😂

[@MontytheHorse]

The ‘dumb’ bombs dropped by the aircraft seem far more accurate than I think they should be.

[@Corsair37]

The Politburo would like to express it thanks to you for the valuable operational testing you provided for our weapon systems. Enjoy your all expenses paid one way trip to Siberia :)

[@quincy29]

Valery Sablin mentioned 🗣🔥

[@bigpoppa1234]

is that a TNO reference?

[@jwrockets]

The way you said, "away, away" made me think of Sir Gallahad at the Castle Anthrax.

[@taiko1237]

0:44 For those unfamiliar with Soviet history, the Aurora is a protected cruiser built in the late 1890s for the Imperial Russian Navy which was seized by her crew, sailed up the Neva River into Petrograd and at 9:45 PM on the 7th of November 1917 (possibly apocryphally) fired the first shots of the October Revolution. She was later turned into a museum ship by the Soviets for exactly that reason (later being after fighting in WW2), moored on said river, where she remains to this day. She's also one of two surviving ships from the Battle of Tsushima.

[@IAmTheAce5]

Oh this brings back the memories from Paper Skies and History of Everything- I was nearly driven insane!

[@ShadowOfAnEpicSaxmanExclusive]

Absolutely hilarious with the talent meme and the mib mention you got this

[@Seth90]

17:51 - I guess you could dodge, tho'. If you try to extent directly away from the incoming air strike and go hard to port or starboard the instant the bomber drops its payload. Since the bombs are unguided and impact in a straight line, they should(!) all miss (barely, that is). edit: In addition: countermeasures have a cooldown/reload as well. So if you launch two missiles a couple seconds apart instead of a salvo of two in quick succession, the enemy will be able to evade the first missile, but the second might hit the now defenseless target.

[@Middcore]

Iron bombs seem insanely accurate in this game.

[@simonchoi973]

haha, it's rather entertaining to watch the first 2 attempts so far, good work! (I mean, i probably don't want to be your crew, Captain 🙂)

[@GuyJustCool]

Oh god yes, I've been waiting for you to touch on that for so long

[@AIDigitalMarketPros]

Either go into your game config.ini file and give your weapon more range, or use a bigger ship in that mission. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Nobody would be dumb enough to defect in that row boat.

[@athallahlul]

The hunt of red october

[@moloti6254]

Quite the gauntlet, by the looks of things, doubly so with the questionable AAW of the Krivaks. on an unrelated note: I want to recommend a mission I made, Operation Bodacious.

[@ham_the_spam4423]

if only he had some Gauntlet SAMs lol

[@MorpheussUK]

So I decided to try this scenario only half way through the video. Nearly got to the end. I noticed that if you just right click on the target you want to fire on, the ship just does it, in fact click it multiple times and it will fire the corresponding missiles. I found if you selected the missile and told it to fire at the target, the ship delayed for some reason. So that might be the reason you died so many times.

[@Kyleaalen25]

14:27 This get me laughing like mad man!!!😂🤣

[@FlyMysticalDJ]

Mod the ship into a kirov, a little bit more likely to succeed

[@matthewcaughey8898]

I would say Cruiser Slava should be more then capable of defending herself

[@skymonster92]

@@matthewcaughey8898 😅

[@2020Max1]

Kinda defeats the purpose of a historical reenactment of the real-life event... don't you think?

[@Mechanized85]

You lost your mind?

[@AIDigitalMarketPros]

Use mission editor and change ships to one with longer range missiles.

[@bhfc247]

That's something I've realized. Are some of these scenario editors playing their own scenarios? I played one the other day where 15 minutes in and 30 antiship missiles were on my 4 ships the second I detected the enemy ships.

[@zhihanbling]

Assuming direct control and steering help me dodge the bombing run.

[@M551_Sheridan]

Stealth btw when using geckos and old Soviet Sam’s just spam rclick on the target and it will ignore flares 😅 (also start maneuvering before they drop and after they drop maneuver the opposite direction, and go full astern, you just have to dodge that one center bomb)

[@thisherehandleIdospout]

8:40 = INSTANT +1 😂😂😂

[@malcolm5514]

If it says 'mid course correction: radio command' can't you just redirect the missiles back onto the target once they go for chaff/flares?

[@carpemkarzi]

That’s just brutal…I look forward to getting good enough to never play that mission

[@Howard-j6e]

Can you ready your missiles before they reach the circle? That way you can launch them as soon as they’re in range.

[@azraiell]

I think you can guide those missiles like the torpedoes

[@frantisekslipka9651]

I think you have found your Kobayashi Maru.

[@CookieMonster-nt8hh]

I think the effectiveness of flares is absolutely ridiculous. im currently playing the NATO gauntlet scenario for the gazilionth time because the MiG-27 always destroy at least one ship dodging five SM-1missiles.

[@ryanpayne7707]

23:06: This makes ZERO sense. Chaff works by creating a larger radar return, and the missile targets the center of that return. Since the "ghost image" is so much larger than the target, ideally, the missile would miss. The SA-N-4 here, though, completely ignores the radar return and turns AWAY from what is the center of the new return. I think its hard coded that chaff simply causes the missile to fly off in a random direction. I get that this is a naval sim, but considering how much of a threat aircraft pose to ships, I'm disappointed with how much they neglected air- and surface to air combat.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

Should try it with a better ship like a udaloy

[@pasha_exodite6475]

...and at the better time, too. Had he make it 10 years later, he might have had a chance.

[@taiko1237]

An Udaloy's missiles (3K95 Kinzhals in VLS launchers) are much better than the Osas carried by a Krivak, but they're also shorter ranged if I remember correctly so I'm not sure how well that would work. Something like a Kashin (with medium-range M-1 Volna SAMs) would probably be better.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

@@taiko1237 According to Wikipedia, the Osa has 12km range and the Tor/Kinzhal has 25km range.

[@taiko1237]

@@totalNERD-eo7wx Curious, Wikipedia says that the Kinzhal (or more specifically the 9K335 missile it launches) has a range of 12km or 6.5nmi for me, while the 9M33 missile that an Osa system launches has a range of 15km.

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

@@taiko1237 Ok, Ok. I was mistakenly looking at the range of the Tor-M1, which is a more modern version of the naval variant. So you are right that the naval Kinzhal has a 12km range, but the naval Osa is based on the 9M33M; Wikipedia states that the 9M33M3 extends the range to 15km, while the 9M33M2 reaches 10km, and earlier versions are up to 9km. In short, short range missiles are short range.

[@GlenCychosz]

I like a hard challenge scenario.

[@mike49395]

Did just manage to get to the end of this one with the fewer aircraft Ship like a Swiss cheese as it took a full load of shells from a destroyer and I ran out of ammunition to shoot back If the AI used the secondary mode on Sams it would’ve been game over

[@fleet_admiral_xman]

Wait what attempt 6???? I only remember you doing one other attempt. Honestly I think another try was in order because 2 wasn’t that many

[@thisherehandleIdospout]

IKR?? Personally, 6 feels like it would have been a good, solid number of tries - 2 just feels... weak 😕

[@Mechanized85]

When a little ship against all odds, which it’s similar as Laffey situation(of course yes, I know that one was World War II, about alone Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer against kamikazes while later was covered by friendly aircraft’s, compared to this one are none), I’m sure it’s hard way to go, won’t be impossible but if only when you done everything are alright and luck was your side.

[@pepiksunkaflek6513]

Is there a way to make your ship preload missiles to be ready when planes get in range, because as it stands now the game to my knowlage only lets you do that once the missile is in range and if that missile takes ages to load its a problem

[@blackvulture6818]

Ah, yes, Kaizo Sea Power

[@technocardy]

Haha I'm gonna have to give this one a go.

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

I'm not sure how SAM ranges are modeled in this game, maybe you can't fire until the target is within that range? Theoretically, you should be able to engage said target before that. For example, the target approaches at 1000 kph and you're firing a SAM that goes 1000 kph to a range of 8 km. You should be able to engage when the target is within 16 km. Tha SAM should meet the target at 8 km distance. Unless radar, radio command, etc. are the limiting factors.

[@SturmGewehr1944x]

I mean this is obviously simplistic. Just read about SAM Envelopes. This is the kind of thing Aegis is excellent at, but I don't see any of that in this AI, sadly.

[@Arks1103]

LOL I won't even try this one, if you could not do it, i got no confidence in me. 😂

[@cent348]

In its latest version it's much easier! Give it a try. YOU HAVE TO INSPIRE THE PEOPLE!

[@Arks1103]

@cent348 ah, nice, but I am real bad at this type of situation, I am more of the encyclopedia reader guy types. But I'll give it a go. Cheers 🍻

[@RobertCondonSunnyTurtle]

The made the scenario easier with the aircraft but that not the end of if

[@RobertCondonSunnyTurtle]

I still couldn't complete first attempt.

[@christianjohnson9190]

I just finished the video on the story

[@Commando_Arc]

I played this mission and did it 1st time albeit with some damage and run out of ammo and missiles

[@frankholub4673]

Nice attempts, somehow I think the game overestimates the accuracy of dumb bombs on a moving target. Enjoyed the humorous edits too, nice touch!

[@Middcore]

Just from watching videos, I also get the impression that the accuracy of dumb bombs is way too high.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Pretty sure by the 70s, both sides had radar bomb sights... Heck they had them in the 50s albeit wasn't reliable enough to be independent from visual systems. But certainly by the 70s radar directed aim was available.

[@Eagle-fg9sy]

yeaa flares would not fool a radio guided missile because you guide that missile by antena that send commands to rocket commands are from tracking radar how you even fool a tracking radar with flares

[@BokoDisraeli]

TNO reference

[@questlove_satx]

can you go in and edit the mission some

[@thespecter1530]

This game looks extremely frustrating.

[@Mechanized85]

Sure is it, even well-knowledge and experience player, can be just lost many ship and aircraft as he could.

[@jaredfredericks1460]

Damage from tiny bombs and missiles is turned up way too high

[@jaredfredericks1460]

Also the accuracy with the mig dropping the tiny bombs is unrealistic

[@Cobra-King3]

Fun fact: A certain man would get hold of this event, now knowing that he may be murdered by an oppresive autocratic regime that may or may not have flown red on its flag, he changed the details of the entire event while keeping the general plot of the events similar. This would go on to be a very famous Novel that would inspire a Live-Action film of the Novel in 1990 The Novel's name? The Hunt for the Red October

[@Ducati121]

I was about to ask, I wonder if this influenced Tom Clancy

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Dude was not going to get killed by the USSR. He found this story from a US navy thesis, not documents from the USSR. Which also meant that it was known to the west by then, just not popularized.

[@jeffliick1690]

Note to self…don’t try this one. 😱

[@azraiell]

In it's current state the game is garbage... You just have to accept that you have no control of the ships . The game is more frustrating than enjoyable , i wish i could refund...

[@raa729]

This game like most grossly overestimated soviet capabilities of tech and crew. In real case storozhevoy did not shoot any comrades yet all bombing was extremely off the mark, they managed to hit only the friendly from pursuing flotilla by a change

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

Pretty much every sim game badly overestimates Soviet equipment because they treat stated ability as fact, instead of the cheaply made low quality trash that most of it actually ways.

[@raa729]

@ exactly, Sovs always overestimate their abilities, not necessarily even concisely, probably being lied from down up and funds stolen, same with Russians, West is usually publicly underestimate their weapons for opsec reasons. That is understandable but it only requires a little research online to find out what these figures are most realistically

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

What account did you get that BS from? The Soviets weren't directly attacking the ship. The purposely dropped bombs near the ship as a warning shot. Same with gunfire from Soviet ships. If they wanted to sink the ship, they could have done it with a missile. But that'd be stupid as it's one of their own ship. What source do you even have about them hitting their own ship? The Soviets caught Sablin by boarding the ship. If they didn't care about the survival of the ship, they wouldn't bother boarding and just shot it with missiles.

[@raa729]

@ and what account you are taking your info from?

[@JockTalk7]

never fuck with stalin, the moral to this story