Mx. COOL Aries | The New Big Conical On The Block

[@BillB33525]

Great looks, nice features with the quick burr release. Should sell rather well.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I think it’ll be a welcome addition to the market for sure.

[@ipso-kk3ft]

The sweeper is definitely something new and interesting, at least for me. Never really thought much about controlling the feed rate of beans into a grinder

[@christopherschaefer8279]

I like the bean sweeper; that's a nice thought out feature.

[@MrAumbra]

Looks great. I agree with you comments about the base. Looking forward to seeing the final version.

[@alanroderick7153]

Thank you for the video. I like the looks, reminds me of an engineering shop vertical drill press. Also like the variable speed and lack of stalling on your runs, plus quick access to the burr. Will certainly look for feedback from early production users to see how the Aries is received. Flavour profile would suit my preferences. Thanks again.

[@Sprometheus]

Of course Alan, thanks for watching and the comment. I will be very keen to see how the production model develops and how the brand itself sets itself in the coffee industry.

[@tummy_fritters]

It's cool to see another conical at this level. I would like to see a RPM go up to 400 for heavier body and maybe a regular dosing cup. I'd like to know how it compares to a Niche Zero

[@nathanshelby1446]

Prima coffee now carries these if you are in the US

[@playnicegames]

I saw this at SCA too, talked to the team for a while. Seems like a cool piece of kit.

[@Sprometheus]

They are a friendly crew, and definitely are excited about coffee. Love to see it.

[@kwok57]

My guess is that spinning the outer burr helps a lot with maintaining alignment under load and prevents stalling because you have greater leverage around the center of rotation.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s definitely possible. I asked the guys who brought it to demo but they didn’t have direct answer, but I think the assumption was it’s main focus on the quick release center burr means it can’t be the one that spins. But the things you mentioned may very well be a happy accident.

[@jpjay1584]

that only depends on how stable the counterpart is. if it can move even slightly, the alignment is out the window very quickly. also the center burr has a quick release. how strong is the bottom area with the locking part? and how stiff is the cone burr at its highest point? can it bend? I think yes. and I doubt that the center burr is locked that stable. you mentioned lever. in this case it's even a disadvantage, as the long lever from the outside burr towards the center will put a lot of force and move the center if a bean is pushing from one side and the other is empty. all these thoughts are just theory. not sure it's true for this grinder as I didn't see it. it all depends on how stiff the center core with the center burr is. if that is solid as a rock and won't move a micrometer, everything mentioned above is not true.

[@kwok57]

@@jpjay1584 1 micron? The grinder can't be CNC machined feasibly with tolerances finer than +/- 25 microns and espresso itself is closer to 100-200 microns. For reference a human hair is 50 microns. Whatever your point is, please use plausible datums.

[@jpjay1584]

thanks for your reply. I am familiar with microns and their real dimensions. micrometer (micron) was just used as a unit, rather than an exact measurement. if you read any of the 163 Words/837 Characters I wrote, you wouldn't pick the ONE WORD that could be attacked, and rather try to understand the meaning of my answer. I never claimed 1 micron. I was just referring to lever and (potentional) movement and the stability of the center burr. I hope you don't understand my "essay" as a downgrade of the construction of the grinder, which I tried to clearly mention, that I never saw a grinder and I am purely speculating in general about stiffness. also I mentioned multiple times, I could be wrong. (was just speculating about movement of the center burr in the micron range due to side forces. all fine and I actually appreciate your explanation of measurement. btw, I absolutely love the grinder and its new look and new features. I'd rather like to know, where is the motor, and does it have a belt drive or even a gear? @@kwok57

[@mikele7982]

Really cool concept! Would love to see the official one coming soon! Thanks man.

[@evanescentwave181]

Thanks for the video, good to hear about conical grinders. I would like to see more reviews about the Verslab M4, which has combined conical and flat burrs.

[@TINGSTARR]

Thanks for the details and your thoughts. I just got my Acaia Orbit and considering the Option-O P64 for my second home based on how much you like yours. But now, I may hold off on the second grinder and do more research. Thanks again and stay well.

[@Sprometheus]

As much as I love my P64 if you already have a 64mm flat I would highly recommend spreading out your grinding ability by adding a conical. I love having both on hand.

[@TINGSTARR]

@@Sprometheus thanks. I like that idea.

[@cheekster777]

Thank you my friend.

[@Sprometheus]

Of course, thanks for watching!

[@caffeinated_slacker]

Personally I don’t care for the look, or name, but aesthetics are obviously very subjective. I’d be curious how it compares with the Kafatek Monolith conical in performance and (expected) durability.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I can definitely understand it’s wild look is going to be rather divisive. I’m honestly just glad to see something different looking after years of slightly tilted single dosers that look copy and paste. But I would love to get ahold of some Kafateks, definitely a set I haven’t had a chance to really delve into yet.

[@caffeinated_slacker]

@@SprometheusI don’t mind the overall look, but there’s something about the large logo that looks cheap to me, and I’m with you on not loving the blind basket workflow. But, happy to see more options in the large conical market. I’d recommend grabbing a KafaTek MC5 (or new MC6) if you get the chance. I have an MC5 and have been pretty delighted by it.

[@ReelBigBigFish]

I think it looks sweet like a vintage milling machine

[@Frank78250]

Probably the Kafatek beats it, as you would expect for a 6th iteration of a grinder that costs twice the price (tolerances, materials, custom burrs with a pre-breaker). Still would love to see the review or comparison!

[@bettercoffeequest]

This looks so attractive. I am excited for them to go beyond prototype to actual production. And I am sure they will iron out the quirks.

[@whiterose7055]

I own a Sette that has the moving outer burr mechanism and love the consistency of grind and am interested in seeing what the Aries brings once it hits the market with the same approach , bigger burr size.

[@playnicegames]

I was thinking the Sette is also a grinder that did that. Thanks for confirming.

[@huehuetrain]

love my sette. such a workhorse. a little bit of retention issues but nothing a few water drops can't fix

[@st0ox]

Spinning the outside part has definitely advantages, because you are moving more mass which usually costs more energy, but not really when you are grinding something, but since you have more moving mass you have more inertia which is an advantage when grinding into stuff with variable hardness.

[@Val_Smith]

Finally, been waiting for a great conical SD besides mc6. Would you use it over Niche Zero for medium dark roast and milk drinks? I am using Eurika and want to try bigass conical but don't want to pay Weber😊

[@Sprometheus]

100% darker roasts are always better off conicals. I do like this one better than the niche on the clarity side, and speed as well. Cleaning is easier. I think many folks would be very happy with this one coming from the Niche.

[@DrEspresso]

That's a cool looking grinder 😁

[@TALESCOFFEE]

Hey Spro! Have you tried brewing coffee without the trapped parts. So just knock into a separate container. You'll notice the grinds look different and the stuff knocked out tends to clog. I want to see what your opinion on this is!

[@Abdullah-q3n]

Comparing it to the Niche Zero what do you recommend to get?

[@ollydearden]

Is there a place online that shows when manufacturers are releasing new espresso machine models? I’m looking to buy one, but wouldn’t want to miss a new, updated machine. Great video btw

[@shahryarmasouem325]

Do you know if they have found a distributor? Any projected US release date? Thnx

[@Sprometheus]

Last I chatted they said they had been communicating with a couple, and they estimated the release would be before at or around November of this year, which isn't far off. I'll definitely keep ya'll informed on the progress for sure.

[@thecoffee2820]

Thanks for Sharing 👍11:16

[@eric2005]

Rotating ring burrs rock! Better at maintaining alignment.

[@jacquesguillotte3270]

Love my Baratza Sette 270wi, but it seems they were able to improved it on different aspects. I have great respect for that teem !

[@nomadsolos]

Seems well thought out. It has nice lines, and I think it would be worth consideration, especially if it were Flat burrs. I own a Niche, and for the difference in price I see not inclination to own this grinder.

[@alexbrier718]

Just wondering.. Are you in the process of reviewing that Ascaso machine behind you? I’ve been interested in their machines and wonder what you think of them. Thanks 🙏

[@jackkennard4539]

Nice review! I would like to hear more on the advantages or the watt settings. Just bought a new product on the market for about $55, yes it does have several espresso settings, but I'm currently more of a pour-over & immersion brewer. Yeah a beautiful design, have to wonder about the cost.

[@2k3r1]

I saw this on another channel and I believe they said it would be around $1400 USD.

[@whosgonnadotcom]

Thats a lot kf caveats for that price. I get that its a prototype, but still. At $500 - $600 it would be very compelling.

[@oilwings]

it looks beautiful.

[@liamharper1123]

How do you compare it to your experience with weber key last year?

[@Grumpist1]

Versalab had a good long run occupying the consumer Big Conical space all alone. Seen a couple of grinders now in this style.

[@Val_Smith]

They introduced the hybrid burrs. One type for prebrake and one for fine grinding. But they cost an arm and a leg. Handone Honne make similar grinder for cheap.

[@Sprometheus]

For sure, I think the price tag for Versalab is a big turn off for folks, at least before home coffee enthusiasts really took off in recent years. Now it seems cost isn’t so much of an issue.

[@Val_Smith]

@@Sprometheus well I can't bring myself to spend around 4k but some people would splash even more on Titus or Ozik.

[@lowfuel6089]

How hard is it to clean the upper burr? The quick release thing is neat but it seems like it makes one burr easy to clean at the expense of the other

[@rxonmymind8362]

Conical and chocolate flavor fan of beans. Not a fruity guy at all. So this interest me a lot. On my list to check out.

[@Jaroslav.]

Cool thumbnail ☺

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you 🙏

[@JusBThankful]

Everything else aside, it would look slick next to a Modbar. Any speculation who the mystery burr producer is?

[@Sprometheus]

Haha I said the same thing, it’s very modbar-esque. I mean they’re in Taiwan and there is a lot of coffee tools produced there, could be a Timemore? Grinding labs? I asked and they said it’s definitely not Mazzer.

[@JusBThankful]

@@Sprometheus I figured it wasn't Mazzer. I would doubt it's SSP since he's probably way too far down the flat burr rabbit hole. Timemore seems like a pretty good guess...

[@d077Z]

On the "should never stall" thing. Would the grinder really be worse a 45 RPM setting that was marked as "filter only"?

[@xx0samey0xx]

How would you compare it's taste with that of Weber key?

[@st0ox]

Did they say something about the price range they try to reach within it when it hits the market?

[@erislilithillustrious7939]

Is that a bottomless orea? I've found it still brews a little slow for my tastes and have considered doing something like that to mine. I've just been concerned about the filter falling through potentially

[@Dan_Mirai]

I wish I could really compare large conical burrs against my Niche Zero. The easiest way to that would be if a shop near by had a large conical burr grinder, but I don't know of one. Does anyone know of a shop in the Los Angeles area that does?

[@Sprometheus]

I’m not aware of one in particular, but it could be a little easier than you know. The Mazzer Robur is a very popular cafe grinder that uses 83mm conical burrs, shouldn’t be too hard to find one. Mazzer Kold as well. Here in SD county I know that Ironsmith Coffee uses a Kold.

[@Dan_Mirai]

@@Sprometheus I'll have to keep an out. Maybe because of the design I notice a lot of Mythos 2. The last I went down to SD I almost thought the only specialty shop was Bird Rock. Next time I'll have to plan better and find a few shops.

[@savagefrieze4675]

Would this grinder be good for French press?

[@sporefan33]

How does it compare to a Monolith Conical with Shurkones?

[@TV-mq8rn]

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[@frydog1ea]

How do you like the Glass Orea?

[@Sprometheus]

So far really enjoy it. Definitely produced a different cup, very juicy by comparison.

[@jasonochoada3083]

This resembles a very robust interpretation of the Baratza Sette!

[@Sprometheus]

I can see that for sure.

[@NoZenith]

Hopefully the end result sounds more like the Niche Zero than the bombastic Sette series though 😆

[@jasonochoada3083]

@@NoZenith hahaha I like the Sette considering it's accessibility. I just wish they would have used just a little more robust motor assembly!

[@coreycannon4511]

@@jasonochoada3083I wish it didn’t sound like a Hercules on takeoff!!

[@jasonochoada3083]

@@coreycannon4511 hahaha another excellent point! It looks like this grinder would solve many if not all the Sette's shortcomings 👍

[@Fuuntag]

Loving the good natured & low key vibes. Info heavy, anecdotal, informed analysis as well, 👌🏻. ❤ looks interesting but I’m not sure about some of the material. I don’t know about the mechanical impact but I think the metal needs to be brighter. I know it looks badass but for cleaning & maintenance I’d prefer easier visibility.

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you my friend. I get where you’re coming from. I do wish it were easier to see the collar burr as well. I know the folks at Mx. Cool will be reading these comments looking for ways to improve as well.

[@Fuuntag]

@@Sprometheus I’m hoping they tighten up the base a bit as well. I understand where they are coming from financially and production wise but if they could reduce the potential chaff, fines etc that need to be moped up, that would further increase the appeal of this.

[@frankypc]

Looks like a fancy version of a Sette

[@NoZenith]

I'm really happy with my Niche Zero at this point. Unless I go for a much higher end espresso machine that I can play with the temperature on for lighter roast I'm probably end game... buuut It's interesting to see more development on conicals after so much focus on Flats. I appreciate the versatility and ease of dialing in that conicals are supposed to bring too the table (third shot pulled on a brand new Breville Bambino Plus after never touching a good grinder before was legitimately good and basically dialed in on the Niche... I admit I did tweak it but it was still good)

[@2k3r1]

When we switched from the Niche Zero (we also had no complaints) to an Option-O P100 Flat burr grinder we immediately noticed how much more narrow the sweet spot is on the Large flat burr grinder. Intuitively that tells me there are more fines with the Niche... and annoyingly enough we did taste more clarity in the cup especially with light roasts.

[@NoZenith]

@2k3r1 you say "annoyingly" so I take it you like the malty, chocolate, less clear note of the Niche Zero?

[@darylfortney8081]

What roaster do you use?

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

I didn’t catch the burr size? Also, 200w seems low if those burrs are actually big, as the title of the video suggest.

[@Sprometheus]

83mm and wattage is less important than the gearing, plus conicals don’t need to spin as fast as flats. The Niche Duo with 83mm flat burrs has a 170w motor and also grinds green coffee.

[@davidrogala7597]

nice design

[@Tom-sq9co]

As a manual grinder nut case, I would really like to see some other options for large burr manuel grinders other than the H2.

[@Bean15_]

I thing Commandante has something coming

[@tiktian]

There's the Helor 106 with 71mm mazzer burrs

[@coolbeans300]

Is that the new orea dripper?

[@bobgruner]

As others have mentioned, it reminds me of a giant Baratza Sette. I had a 270Wi which I deaccessioned in favor of a Lagom P64 with unimodal burrs, since I'm mostly drinking filter coffee. I really liked the Sette, but found the grind size too inconsistent (too many fines) and cleaning it was a pain.

[@coffeeandshots]

Glass Orea spotted. 😄

[@Saucisse_Praxis]

That's just the clear plastic one

[@coffeeandshots]

See at 7:05 @@Saucisse_Praxis

[@Sprometheus]

@@Saucisse_Praxis nope, @coffeeandshots is correct, glass Orea.

[@abc-cl3rb]

how much will it cost?

[@Val_Smith]

1300-1500

[@Sprometheus]

I mentioned at the end, they don’t have a set price yet but said around $1400

[@garnettbrown]

How come you've and most other youtube coffee reviewers never reviewed the Ceado ez37 Hero or any Ceado grinder?

[@kerrycoyle8930]

At this point - I really like it! I will be watching for it to hit the market, if the price point stays at or near the $1,300 price point I believe I will be purchasing one for my home countertop. Thanks for posting this review.

[@bjfeerus]

☕☕☕ Love Is Important 💕❤ ....

[@Sprometheus]

Indeed! Have a great weekend my friend.

[@wakeawaken430]

Ass i left the flat world, this is my next dream grinder The future is conical again

[@ericanderson1753]

I know we all have different values and preferences - so here’s mine on the RPM/stalling question… I am happy that there are RPM settings at which grinders stall out. It sounds weird, but consider the alternative… If the company said “we will limit the RPM range per Sprometheus’ preference” that would mean delivering the SAME espresso experience, but keeping something from the customer on the filter experience they may want. I’d like to be able to explore lower RPMs on filter even if they won’t work for espresso. What do you think?

[@Sprometheus]

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not saying anyone should do exactly what I say, my take is if a grinder is marketed as an all-arounder and there are RPM options on the grinder it should work for all methods. I think you may be in a minority on that take.

[@M0dElite]

I think the point is that if the manufacturer wants to have adjustable RPM on their grinder, they should put in a motor cabable of achieving it without the user having to test if it works with their beans and a specific grind size by trial and error. I understand there are trade-offs in this line of thinking as well, the most notable being the price and the noise.

[@sarianhoufis7539]

i was excited until you went to the price :)

[@gunayorbay]

Sette on steriods

[@khungreen9773]

Off topic, but a lot of your b-roll is used by resellers overseas.

[@Sprometheus]

Unfortunately that’s sort of the nature of posting online, and it’s hard to take down stuff for copyright as you’re essentially forced to give a lot of personal info to submit a complaint via KZbin.

[@FirstMM]

An expensive conical burr grinder that looks good, has a brushless motor and enables easy cleaning of the burr. As someone who is currently in the market looking for a decent up market grinder, this did not elicit any excitement whatsoever. Shame.

[@Frank78250]

Kafatek mc6?

[@robertjason6885]

I’ve never cared about a grinder’s look.. as long as it’s not a behemoth

[@davidhunternyc1]

Let's address the elephant in the room. How does the Aries compare with the Niche Zero? Yes, the Aries is more expensive but is it more premium than the Niche? My least favorite part of both grinders are the cheap looking and feeling polycarbonate parts. Why can't all parts be made from metal?

[@Val_Smith]

You can get a MC5, Versalab, Handone honne, Titus and maybe Ozik in full metal premium

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@Val_Smith I have a MC4. I don't need another grinder. The reason for my comment is that I went with Kafatek because of the premium materials. I hate plastic.

[@NoZenith]

Are you complaining about the lid? You don't want to be able to see end. It gives you a very good view and it feels like a very substantial and long-lasting clear material

[@Val_Smith]

@@davidhunternyc1 aside from metal Kafatek is one ugly mf. You can pay extra for black customisation but will still be left with a silver portafilter holder. And you have to wait for month before you get it. As far as grinders look I love the EG-1 but fck Weber. Aries would look better without the plastic parts besides the hopper.

[@Sprometheus]

My personal take is burr size plays a minimal role in taste, so for me the thing that sets this apart from the Niche, beyond having being nearly twice the weight (take that as you will) is the low rpm. It’s coffee is much higher clarity because of that, at least in comparison to the Niche. Sure you can focus on body casing, and some plastic, but honestly I don’t think that’s indicative to quality.

[@dtonpbac]

Looks like another unnecessary addition to the grinder market, lacking both innovation and new perspectives.

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

Not sure its really better than a baratza sette 270 ... it look better imo but not 1k better

[@Sprometheus]

IMO its definitely on a different level than any Baratza, considering it’s motor, burr size, and RPM ability.

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

@@Sprometheus is the grind any better for 3rd wave espresso ?

[@DigitalicaEG]

It looks like it belongs in a boujie barbershop

[@Sprometheus]

Not sure I follow, but sure?

[@DigitalicaEG]

These burrs look like etzinger burrs

[@Sprometheus]

It’s possible. I’m curious to find out eventually.

[@JPC326]

How does it compare to the Zerno ?