My 1973 Ford Mustang has a FAKE TITLE and may be Stolen!

[@jeremyTallen1]

My little brother sold me an atv that ended up being stolen and I the police seen me riding the quad and arrested me and chraged me with possession of stolen property. I ended up sitting in jail for a month and got 2 years probation.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

And nobody believes me when I say it can happen…

[@jeremies3612]

I can see selling from person to person but you bought this from a legit auction company. The auction failed to do their job and since you have the documents and are asking for them to look into this, why would they charge you? If it’s stolen, you can prove you bought it from auction company and they may be in the hook.

[@xlyamx]

yea but you have the proper paper trail. any public defender would tell you the DA would never pursue a case with a payment/dealer history like yours.. to put this in perspective... i just had a felony assault charge thrown out of court and my case was much harder to prove than yours.. don't sweat it man. just take care of it.

[@06VenomGT]

Can you apply for an Abandoned Vehicle Title? I live in Arizona and when I purchased a vehicle from California via an auction, all I had was a bill of sale. I applied for an abandoned vehicle title and then obtained a bonded title. Paid $250 and was able to have it titled and registered. Sold the vehicle 3 years later without an issue.

[@DaveSmith-pl2hk]

because you knew it was stolen dummy.

[@robertf4540]

The auction company that sold it to you should be responsible for this.

[@Mys10v829]

Randy, I used to work for an auction company, and if they sold a car and there was an issue with the title , then it was the auction companies responsibility to fix the problem or buy the car back , it's not the buyers duty to fix the issue, otherwise you can sue them if they don't fix the issue

[@dave3657]

I’ve had bad titles before that just had clerical errors on it. Probably the same here.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

I’ve spent the last week trying to get my money back or get the title fixed and there is still no resolution the car is still sitting in my driveway.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

This is certainly not a clerical error lol

[@saven355]

He’s right if they didn’t have the right to sell the car the need to unwind the deal. Not having a valid title means they have no valid ability to sell it.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

As I said I’ve spent the past. Week trying to unwind the deal and it’s still not done.

[@MrNeo562]

As a 23 trooper/detective, I totally disagree with you about being charged with possession of stolen property. I have had many people I have encountered with what turned out to be stolen property. I take into account the totality of the circumstances. If you have the documentation we would never charge you and no prosecutor is going to waste their time to prosecute. Now the property will be seized pending investigation. We deal with this stuff all the time…especially ATVs.

[@shadetreemech66jcoop28]

He needs to take it directly to the police department on a trailer or call them out to his property with all of the documents from the auction house. Not turning it in will cause jail time.

[@eatont9999]

It makes sense. Sometimes you have no way of knowing if you are buying something that was previously stolen. I'm sure we all have bought something stolen at some point and never knew it. Most of us honest people wouldn't buy stolen goods if we were aware of the fact.

[@igannon58]

Randy has always been a drama queen ! 😂

[@chicolo2631]

​@@igannon58😂😂😂

[@B0xlife1]

​​@@shadetreemech66jcoop28No it won't stop being such a drama queen, I wouldn't waste my time trailering and wasting gas to get it to the police station, they can come to me and go from there if they need to come tow it and take it to their station and they can do that on their own time. He can call the police from the comfort of his home and get a squad over there to file a report and go from there No need to be so dramatic I'm sure if you had 13 14,000 into a vehicle or into any item you wouldn't be so quick to call the police to get it seized and taken out of your hands either..

[@EternalyRandom]

I would hire a lawyer. Have him send a request to resolve this issue. Companies don't like potential lawsuits. Nor do they like bad publicity.

[@Javon1689]

That lady had Randy in there grabbing his chest like Fred Sanford 😂😂😂

[@brittanyjeffrandolph7497]

Ohio will title a stick with a tire on it 😂

[@RPO6464]

Randy if you decide to sell the Cavalier or the Fox Body Mustang I would love to get either one from you.

[@sirlanceem]

Yeah the LX foxbody is amazin. The truck with the 383 is amazin too.

[@roberttripi7306]

Randy, just call the auto auction and tell them you want your money back. They need to provide you with a title or issue you a refund.

[@jennaemullins7612]

Too Cold for that Guy to be outside now. Lol that stang is unique looking.

[@brandonp7772]

There should be a partial vin located between the two fender aprons on each side above the shock tower, they are hidden by the fenders. Check if that partial vin matches the current one. Hopefully this helps best of luck!

[@technicallybetter]

Could your insurance agent check the status of the title? I believe they have access to a system that will let them know if the VIN is reported as stolen.

[@williamm.vazquez8801]

Wow Crazy Circumstances On This OL Mustang Randy

[@bikeman1x11]

return to auction and sue them if they wont refund- many states require vehicles sold to have a title- If you have evidence you purchased from an auction in good faith you arent likely to have a criminal issue imagine the bad optics if a DA charged you when you clearly purchased in good faith from an auction

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

Unfortunately the auction company is a national chain that doesn’t have any local locations so returning it isn’t exactly the easiest thing to do since it was purchased from New York and I had it shipped here

[@thelaidbackguy1922]

😅😂​@@AutoAuctionRebuilds

[@markbeardsall5099]

Hi randy I'm not sure if this will help as I Don't know if you do this in the US but in the UK they stamp the vin in the floor pan by the drivers seat if the us do you should be able to pull the carpet up to see if they have welded a fake vin in hope this help and hope you get it sorted soon

[@maverickflint1991]

Good morning. Good to see you again.😊👍

[@LegionGamingTV]

I had a 1973 Mercury Cougar XR7 that has the exact body as yours, just egg shell blue. You put the right cam in that 351 4V and it’ll make 400+hp. I had the 2v version and that car was 346whp with a cam and intake. Nice car man. Hope everything works out.

[@keithrevst692]

The factory wheels on the as Monte Carlo look so much better. Have a good holiday!!

[@rayphillips332]

In Georgia all you need is a bill of sell with vehicles over 10 yrs old.

[@robstephens]

FIY there should be a hose running from the oil filler cap to the base of the air filter. This allows filtered air to enter the crankcase when the PCV valve opens. If you don't want to add a hose, you can replace the cap with one that has a filter in it. The VIN number should be stamped in other locations on the car - you might want to see if they all match. I wonder what is on the Carfax report for this car as far as sales.

[@jessicagreene1773]

You aren't going to get charged with possession of stolen property and you know it. What will happen is if the car is stolen, they will have to seize the vehicle and you are out all the money you paid for it and put into it, and you know that as well.

[@gregleap1009]

Hi Randy, I'm so sorry that sucks it will work out. I love your show and all of your cars.

[@RobertStephens-xf9cv]

Randy, I agree with mrneo562. As a retired 20 year police officer you would never be charged with PSP. Just have the police run the VIN all 50 states to make sure its clear. Good luck and Merry Christmas

[@DaveSmith-pl2hk]

Again do you really word of this is true. It just a way to get viewers. He knows what to do.

[@bladesofglorylawnmaintenan6354]

@Randy, after me working 23+ years in law enforcement, I’ve came across this numerous times here in Ky.. In EVERY situation… If a dealer, or person for that matter actually bought something they “Thought” could be stolen.. And they brought it to OUR attention first, then at NO TIME was that person in trouble. But only because they brought it to OUR attention first. That just shows honesty.. Now, with that said, if we found out something was possibly stolen, and that person did NOT bring it to our attention first, absolutely they got in trouble for receiving stolen property. Yes there’s a chance you’re gonna lose that money if you report it.. but if you don’t, and they find out, you’re gonna lose a hell of a lot more than that. It wouldn’t take an officer 5 minutes to type in that vin and tell you immediately if it’s entered into NCIC or not.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

I already ran it through NICB and it's fine. You can do it yourself online.

[@bladesofglorylawnmaintenan6354]

@@AutoAuctionRebuilds if it’s not coming back as stolen then you’re good to go on that end.. Seems like the auction company would help you with the rest as much business as you do with and for them.

[@craigjorgensen4637]

Bummer! Hope this works out for you! So many scammers out there.

[@TheBoi87]

Man, that’s rough on that Mustang. 😅 But, luckily i bought my car from a son and his mother with a clean title, i only needed their out of state licenses copied to file and signatures on a bill of sale to get my title ownership on vehicle. Hope you get that resolved!

[@In_memory_of_Dad]

Randy i absolutely love that Z24 Cavalier, it really is a beautiful car. You would be crazy to sell the Grand National right now, the price of those is only going one way, up!!!

[@willholmes7318]

Glad to hear which foxbody your keeping! They are both nice though!

[@lovellmills7959]

I'm so sorry Randy... I hope you don't have too *SUE THEM* to make this right! No wonder they disconnected the starter!

[@2003cobramustang]

That stinks Randy. She’s a beautiful cruiser. Keep my fingers crossed nothing happens and you can get it titled! Love your fleet of cars!

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

Fingers crossed!

[@legendsofcaraudiobradnewso8424]

Sorry this is happening Randy, in return, i feel like this story is going to get interesting as it unravels. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

[@taylorandsonsgarage]

Prayers to you and your family Randy and don't worry about that car everything will work out have a Marry Christmas and don't sweat it enjoy your time with your family.

[@nickmenjivar6833]

Good luck Randy, Copart screwed me with a situation similar to yours. Bought a dodge charger hellcat from them, drivetrain came back stolen when I went to highway patrol and they took the car. Copart denied all responsibility and I lost $35,000.

[@madelinesweetlowis3333]

Are you able to check the vin numbers before purchase with DMV ? Do you take pictures of vin numbers from salvage cars you hold interest? Could save you the headaches of waiting for the titles and not making an impulse decision. Perhaps you can get a closeup photo from dash on potential cars unseen before buying

[@ratchetswartz3321]

Randy, maybe put it up on your lift and check other locations on the body or frame for the VIN ??? thinking they changed the VIN it should also be on the frame and the body somewhere. if not i guess it becomes a yard ornament!! maybe a company sign???

[@waltreichelt7152]

Randy I’m going to assume you have an attorney on retainer in addition to your accountant. I would turn the problem over to them. It’s amazing how quickly a simple letter from an attorney can lead to answers. The auction com should have insurance to cover these types of situations.

[@trionic5]

If you haven’t already (which im assuming you have), try reaching out to individual counties DMVs in Colorado, that’s where a title transfer takes place here. Personally found Boulder County to be pretty helpful.

[@dadof7]

Randy you made me brave, I bought a truck from IAA in Wichita hopefully it makes it back to Oklahoma

[@richardhendrik3034]

As it's been stated several times already as a former law enforcement officer as long as you report the vehicle as maybe being stolen as soon as you found out you will not be charged with a crime. You most definitely want to report it to the law enforcement as soon as possible. If anything law enforcement could do the hard work for you free of charge

[@wahoou101]

Hire a Private Investigator, they have ways to get around what you're dealing with in the state of Colorado. The auction company is certainly liable for selling stolen goods too. However, the legal owner would probably be willing to relinquish the title. Good Luck.

[@maverickflint1991]

That is a nice conversion van you have there will be great for family trips.😊❤️

[@davidkane4300]

I bought a 300k mile Durango in Mississippi for cash, it had a duplicate title without a lien listed. I went to title it and it had a title loan hold (not the right term) on it... Luckily the previous owner did pay it off, but the title loan place forgot to remove the hold. What sucked was that the previous owner had to go show the title company their receipt so they would then remove the hold. They could have just ghosted me and left me hanging, which I guarantee would have happened if they did what you said and got a duplicate title within hours of getting the title loan. I read it's incredibly common in Mississippi, and it's basically buyer beware there. Luckily my situation worked out, but for many, it doesn't.

[@redfordcam9223]

that sucks man, of all the cars that id think would be stolen id think it would be the $2500 foxbody due to the backstory on it.

[@ThomasBowles-di9ds]

One of the nicest most complete cars you've ever had

[@ToneHobart]

You need a lawyer to resolve this. Copart should be sued for fencing stolen goods.

[@locotrucker46]

There should be some website that you can run the Vin with and find out if it is stolen.

[@peterkwok9608]

Good luck with the Mustang. Maybe you should consult with a Lawyer to see what cause of action to take about the Mustang.

[@bk_goatkim679]

Well….uh that’s very unfortunate. I hope all gets worked out and the legal doesn’t have to be involved. Keep ig up randy, and hope it turns out okay.

[@StevenPasqual]

Randy in the State of NY they don't issue titlesforany vehicle over 25 years old. NY only issues transferable registrations that some state won't accept. This is why it would still show a Colorado title on file

[@mikedavis5207]

You know whats crazy if it's ACV auction. That's like the fifth title problem you've had with them. That I recall. If i was you i would definitely look into that legally.

[@adamnarbeaux5898]

I had a vehicle stolen! Was a Kawasaki Ninja 750 sport bike. Mom showed him the bike and he just took off on it. Went from PHX, AZ to Baltimore!!

[@robertbluhm1831]

Did you check the cafax or other vin checker. Sometimes if you call the nonemergency number for a police dept and ask them to run a vin check they will. Your local PD will do it too. you will not get in trouble for possession of stolen property since you legally bought the car at an auction with a supposably clean title.

[@mikegleeson349]

The Cavalier would be a great 1st car for Nick. Can you do a title search on the 73 Mustang, I still think this falls back on the selling auction, I'd pursue that possibility (legally) if needed.

[@Toxicgen1hemi]

Randy I’m sorry you always get these good deals and they get ya that’s just not right my friend love the videos and have been loving the longer vids thank you sir merry Christmas

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

Thanks 👍

[@JasonAnderson-hh5ml]

hi thankyou for. years of content and merry christmas

[@robertwiley8458]

How could an auction company, especially a legitimate one? Have all the history on it and still possibly sell a stolen vehicle with a bogus title is beyond comprehension. Wouldn't they be responsible for paying any legal fees and the $13000 if the car turns out to be stolen, not Randy, this whole situation is preposterous.

[@gregblowers2836]

Can you run a Carfax on it ? I was just wondering if that would give you any information...

[@unclemikesaddiction923]

I bought an ASC McLaren out of Colorado that had the title washed in New Hampshire it ended up only being a salvage title not a theft but it doesn't look good for you.

[@stephencarr2216]

When you pay the fees at an auction, That is an indemnity insurance for problems like yours Randy, Let the auction deal with it, That’s what you and the seller pays the fees for, You can ask them for your money back and they take possession of the car.

[@shabbirvadiwala3856]

If you have bought the car from auction, then they are responsible for your paper. You don't have to worry. You paid indemnity fees. That cover everything goes wrong.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

This car was not bought from insurance

[@shabbirvadiwala3856]

Sorry I by mistake I write insunce instead of Auction. Auction charge indemnity fee.

[@shabbirvadiwala3856]

@AutoAuctionRebuilds I made mistakes. I write insurance instead of auction. Auction charge indemnity fee and changes. It covered everything. Not to worry.

[@AUTOMOTIVEGRAVEYARDLLC]

Not sure if this car is too old but there is a free Vin checker to see if a car is stolen!

[@williamcochell9889]

Hey Randy, I always love and appreciate The car collection smorgasbord review! I’m glad you’re keeping the mustang convertible and the truck! Good luck with getting the title issue straightened out on the mustang! That’s a cool old vintage car! I am always amazed when you say how many views you got out of a vehicle, because I watch every single car, every single post on your channel no matter what it is they’re all interesting in their own way! with your enthusiasm and appreciation and presentations of them! Again, kudos to the best auto motive channel on KZbin, hands down in my opinion!

[@crichardk555]

What does the Carfax report say? Is there a section covering title issues?

[@tjhess2]

Randy, you're not going to jail for possessing that car if it turns out to be stolen. You have an obvious legitimate reason for possessing it and can prove it's not criminal. Worst case scenario, the cops have to take possession of it and turn it over to the actual owner. You would have to sue the auction site for compensation.

[@larrywinemiller794]

I bought over a thousand cars at or from dealer Auctions . They have to be bonded just for the exact thing that happened to you . I took the car back to the auction with the problem and if they could not fix the problem they could loose their license . They have to straighten it out with the seller or give you your money back. They have laws in each state for dealer Auctions so people won 't get taken advantage of or take advantage of some one. ;

[@petepacemaker]

Randy, in Texas, if there is a problem with a title, the place you need to go is the County Tax Office. The title places you went don't have any authority to do the things you need to have done.

[@ruckusrodkustom8140]

So glad you got that GMC van! That will be so great to drive to Indiana

[@eatont9999]

That sucks man. I hope you can get the title sorted out. Beautiful car, though!

[@sinformant]

My buddy who lives in Texas gave me a car for free, needed fixed up to run. I trailered it here to Oklahoma. Thought I got it running took it for a short spin around the block and it blew the new head gasket. A couple weeks later I went to switch the title over and get it registered in my name. Had no issue getting the tag and all that. But months went by and no title in the mail. So I looked online and at the time it said things were delayed across the board because they had a shortage of title paper, went into the tag office to figure out when I'd get the title and they tell me since it is from out of state they need to inspect it before the state will release the title. The car is sitting in my driveway with no title because I haven't gotten it fixed yet to be able to drive up there....

[@jerrybeauchamp2311]

How much do you want for it I had a 73 mach one it was fun love to have another one someday

[@SpeedyGeneralMotorsINC]

Love the 73 mustang Randy love watching your videos lately!!

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

Thanks 👍

[@ig101]

Randy, please keep the newer Mustang. Its so you, it would be shame if you sell it. Good luck buddy

[@donaldblanton6007]

If I was you I would keep the (( Buick GN )) I would put it in the garage and forget about it for about 10 To 20 Years. And have a retirement plan. Hope everything works out about the 73 Ford Mustang 🙏. Enjoy the Videos.

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

Right on

[@rickeaton5288]

They as the trooper said will take the car if its stolen but you have the paperwork showing you bought from a legit auction and paperwork showing a legit delivery bringing it to you.

[@Breadmansgarage]

How did you daily it if you didn't have tags?

[@mexicanspec]

As an Oklahoma dealer you can't do your own VIN inspections, Randy?

[@GarySkeers]

there should be another Vin Number in a certain area on the Mustang that should be on the das board on the 73 Mustang

[@carsonac4163]

Randy, lookup the Vermont and Montana loophole for titles. IDK but it might work in your situation

[@shawangunk]

I hope you come out on the positive end with your Mustang debacle . Good luck I think you should find a Titleist state . The vehicle is over 15 years old. You need to prove ownership from the auction in your name. They will send you out a registered plate for that vehicle drive it around for a month with that plate, then transfer it to the state that you live in. You will receive a title. This should work for you .

[@dottiehammock9917]

My husband has his dealer licenses in Kentucky. If you accidentally buy a stolen car you can lose your dealer licenses here.

[@rjkdev]

I just saw Normal Guy Supercar had a few videos on Consignment scams. Depends on the state, but in some, if you have a bill of sales, even if you don't have the title, the car is considered yours. Even if the real owner shows up with the actual title, because you bought it in good faith, they can't just take it off your property. But I know all states are different. Good Luck!

[@JVHShack]

@AutoAuctionRebuilds The best advice I can think of is to hire a lawyer. That can save your bacon, even if that 73 Mustang ends up being taken. Btw, I want that Cougar!!

[@347charged]

Do you guys have title bond companies in Oklahoma? If so you may want to look at going that route and get a bonded title. I know here in Texas it's pretty easy and it eliminates all the headache.

[@TheMetalmachine467]

I would definitely get back to the auction that sold it to you

[@72Vw1302]

call an insurance broker in colorado and ask to do a title search. say you are looking at buying it and want to make sure there isnt a lein. ive done that in california

[@AaronBilger]

does that make the auction company still not reliable for selling a stolen car?

[@joemtbr5052]

Waiting for good news from you on the Mustang. Hopefully.

[@ccdeweese]

Verify with New York if the Title is authentic. It may be authentic and Oklahoma does not know what they are doing. They don't even provide a letter why they did not give you a title. Clearly NY has the better service.

[@Bison90]

When I used to work at a dealer we used to drive cars with title of destruction all the time we just put dealer tags on it and when we're done we sent it overseas

[@AutoAuctionRebuilds]

I've never considered that lol. If you were ever to have an accident driving a CD car on public roads your dealership would be in real trouble. Insurance for the dealer won't cover an accident because the car is uninsurable / not legal for street use. Then you'd have the state to deal with since driving a CD car is illegal, and using the dealer tag to conceal this would be a whole other issue. Not a good idea. If you even get pulled over by police and they run the VIN the car gets impounded and you'd be lucky if the police don't contact the Motor Vehicle Commission to report your dealer.

[@LARRYMOCNIK]

What about the place that you had the ad for it before you bought it.......did they have the same issue????

[@brentgilmore3281]

RANDY! File a mechanics lien on the mustang for the cost of the tires and the out of pocket cost of the transport. After a period of time, if the title doesn’t get worked out, you run an ad in the paper regarding the lien demanding payment from the legal owner. When they do not pay, the car is yours, no question

[@brianleclerc1593]

The front overhang on the 73 Mustang is crazy long. Hope you get the title issue solved. Sucks that your state has farmed out a public service like it’s DMV and the the folks working at the outlets have limited knowledge.

[@olikat8]

Falls back on the auction company/service.

[@thatdudenamedlebowski0074]

Thats a pretty nice car 😮. Just missing those stripes on the sides. Not a fan of the fox body ones though 😂

[@americanrambler4972]

I like the Firebird Formula. Especially since you’re putting the snowflake wheels on it. I hope you get the ‘73 Mustang title problem resolved in your favor.

[@glenerickson358]

You're paranoid. If you have paperwork showing you bought it and from whom, you're clear. The car will be seized and worse case you are out the money. But you can recover the money from the company/auction house who sold it to you.

[@maverickflint1991]

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.😊🎅🎄

[@robertburns4578]

What about the time it was in Massachusetts. Was it titled there?

[@warrengee-f9l]

took my 92 Yukon to Tennessee DMV to renew my plates ,paper title showed my plates on my truck but Tenn DMV computer said plates are issued to a different car ... makes you wonder