My Adventure into Valve's Maps

I jump in to extract and to make editable CS:GO's latest maps, and in the process, uncover some cool stuff.
Find the downloadable maps on my brother's site: www.2kliksphili...
1:57 - Converting a map
2:36 - func_detail grouping
3:26 - The ever-changing balance of details, models and displacements
4:34 - Scaled props - See earlier video here • Changes to Dust2, Cana...
5:33 - A new brush type? No! It's 2 years old but still not recognised!
6:20 - Reflections
7:09 - Areaportals
8:30 - Portal windows
9:11 - Losing battle with occluders
9:27 - Conclusion
Other videos of interest:
Music in background of this video: • David Randall - They H...
Original editable map video: • Editable Official CS:G...
Stair clipping: • Stair Clipping in Coun...
Making Source beautiful: • Making the Source Engi...
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[@YotaNinja]

I really wish Valve would release an official decompiler that was kept up to date and wasn't as buggy as BSPSource. Wishful thinking, I know. Great video, I learned some stuff for my own map making.

[@richardvlasek2445]

i also wish Valve would do literally anything useful instead of making Magic knockoffs

[@edgeexceed242]

They dont need to Post a decompiler, They just need to upload the map Files

[@daf676]

good luck for your map

[@pranavnarvekar1320]

You know you are on the top of the comments when you comment something complicated

[@richardvlasek2445]

the sad thing is you take me seriously

[@ronan7280]

Hey Phil. Your Smash map is really popular in the Hidden: Source Beta 4b source mod - we play it every now and then, and it's really enjoyable. Never knew you created it - thanks!

[@bunny_dudette]

Everytime you release a map editing video of any sort, i have the feeling of just making my own map or work on a previous one. Your tutorials will live long to help me. bless you Philip for getting me into map making on csgo and guiding me on how to do so :)

[@S0MM3RZ]

nice to hear.

[@sloep]

thx for taking your time

[@furbees2662]

7, the element by Vitas

[@bruhe_moment]

There ought to be a way to procedurally select every prop visible from a given point in the map. I don't know enough about Source to write that procedure or even know if it's possible with current tools, but I suspect that Valve might have made such a tool (even if unreleased to the public) to make that process easier.

[@ddranimestyle]

Those areaportals remind me of Spyro's stage entrances

[@mikeyX101]

When I was making maps for TF2, there was already an model scale we could use, so I don't think its really new though.

[@dudenope5357]

lmao the captions at 0:06

[@zyibesixdouze4863]

admittedly a map with broke area portals sounds fun

[@crabbyninja]

Tthis sounds like a pretty cool custom gamemode Rushing into areas would either be terrifying or much easier because its like having a constant smoke in every door and window. Actually, do area portals occlude player models?

[@jackeastman2883]

They do! Anything behind it will not be seen! Without going into too much detail that is, sounds literally like a shotgun and run around gamemode hahah

[@rob-q-]

next training map incoming! :)

[@DaxMarko]

Revive the misc "fun_" maps from cs 1.6, by making a map with wacky rooms and not make them visible via area portal until you enter them. Surprise at every corner!

[@JagEterCoola]

Imagine a Labyrinth mode...

[@GamingRevenant]

*D E C O M P I L E D*

[@furrypropaganda]

човоооо

[@snowblaze42]

Oh, look who i found. :D

[@somedude4533]

How to do bold font?

[@backerson5576]

@@somedude4533 pretty sure you just but asterisks (these things * ) at the start of a word and at it's end, the result should look something like this: *word*

[@zHeadshottedmi]

@@backerson5576 *nice*

[@BloodMaster104]

I played CS maybe twice in my life but I still watch all of your videos... They're really entertaining!

[@lionkor98]

I played it for a few hours, then I suddenly got only put in rounds with really skilled players and stopped playing. I don't miss a single video, though

[@XanderNiles]

You guys are missing a great game

[@GoulartGH]

nah they're not

[@jldrank1847]

@@GoulartGH this reply is just straight up pretty gay

[@GoulartGH]

@@jldrank1847 so am i

[@Tinkuwu]

Philip, you still have all my respect for making the Smash gamemode.

[@drowningin]

There needs to be a Wikipedia so for the rest of time this is known. In the distant future I have a feeling it will be important

[@K3NatCSS]

I had no idea he made this, that's so crazy! I just remember playing it. It flashed back into my mind when the clip played, having otherwise forgot it.

[@irkedcs]

Why dont they just hire you at this point?

[@toastyspaghetti4839]

ejpaine caused he would fix csgo

[@BoKKeR111]

because he is not a developer just a modder

[@vbossbla532]

@BoKKeR111 but he is good at fixing bugs and making maps

[@terrydrain]

@@vbossbla532 not saying he isn't good at those things, but if you've looked at people who are applying to places people tend to be really good. Have multiple good released levels. Lots of experience. And valve usually don't take anyone because they can use an editor. It's like wondering why a 5star restaurant doesn't hire someone from McDonald's. Again not saying he is bad or good, just that these videos show passion but not a lot more. And that is important but not the only thing

[@vbossbla532]

@@terrydrain I get what your saying, but if they have the best of the best why are still a bit of bugs

[@Neox999]

3:45 "Every surface is a displacement" Spoilers: Source 2

[@christopherstein2024]

What?

[@MaxCE]

I guess source 2 hammer was used to make the maps but then ported to csgo source 1. I wouldn't blame them tbh

[@BeatCrazey]

@@MaxCE I use Source 2 myself. The whole notion of porting a map from Source 2 to Source 1 doesn't make sense because both engines use different measurement units. One hu in S1 = 1/16 of a foot, while in Source 2, 1 inch. Plus, if they ported the geometry over to Source 1, they would still need to make TONS of edits in Source 1 such as add nodraw brushes everywhere because Source 2 is mesh-based while Source 1 uses brushes, and only brushes can occlude objects from view in S1.

[@MaxCE]

@@BeatCrazey excuse me what's 1/16 of a foot in inches

[@BeatCrazey]

@@MaxCE It's 3/4 of an inch. Not the same thing.

[@MYG]

On a scale from steam to half life what valve time are you using Philip?

[@cooliofoolio]

No reply, I would assume pointless Half Life: Source updates

[@Web720]

@@cooliofoolio Not pointless since I think you can play HLS in VR.

[@cooliofoolio]

@@Web720 WAIT WHAT I NEED A VIVE NOW

[@cooliofoolio]

@@uku4171 I don't think the rift s existed yet when I wrote that.

[@nilsr7954]

Pls never stop making videos

[@metasamsara]

Philip is the only youtuber for whom I watch each and every single video, even though I stopped playing CSGO almost two years ago.

[@lucio4578]

Zwizzor haha same, well, including warowl...

[@nilsr7954]

Lucio lol same

[@MrBump2]

5:27 Pills here.

[@supremegoat24]

Explain please. Reminds me of l4d2 but i don't know how is it related.

[@HQ_Default]

his current texture in the hammer editor is ads/ads01 Which is apparently just a sign that says "Pills here!"

[@cralo2569]

P I L L S I L L S lol

[@vik8126]

Phill's here

[@gabenewell6540]

P I L L S I I L L L L S S

[@AlessaBaker]

You're correct about displacements. Displacements allows Source to handle tessellation of these displacements based on visibility and distance. GPU's can handle 3D meshes and geometry much better now-a-days. While displacements in Source are BSP, they're explicitly defined differently than BSP, I suspect there's underlying lower/higher resolution adjustment based on these distances. Also, reading up - Displacements are handled in batches, similar to how the older func_details worked. This one mean while they're separate pieces in Hammer, they can be treated as a single mesh by the engine. And also: "There are three levels of resolution, but ultimately the number of polygons is determined by the size of the displacement. Cut one up if more detail is needed." would explain so many of them in Dust 2. EDIT: A little bit more research, updating for accuracy. Okay done editing. :p

[@pfannkuchengesicht42]

Alessa Baker Source doesn't make use of dynamic tesselation. Displacements always are tesselated the same as specified by the mapper, regardless of distance or visibility.

[@UltimateArts13]

GIRL

[@pickakespartan]

Philip listens to Vitas? Nice

[@mtlvmpr]

Ikr. Vitas is amazing.

[@thefluffyfist392]

Yah

[@ballsproject]

XD

[@user-dy2bu7qj2y]

I can't be the only one who noticed the harry potter reference in the subtitles at 0:06

[@nemesigeorgegabriel2730]

How is that valve didn't buy you yet?

[@zgaminggallery9910]

because he is not exactly creating something in this video?

[@zgaminggallery9910]

i mean you can look at the other comments (where people know what's being shown in the video) and get a bit of idea.

[@genericwhitemale7028]

Like Konami fired Hideo Kojima, he was *too expensive*

[@midlowreborn]

because human trafficking is illegal.

[@unloca69]

Valve doesnt buy anyone. They take someone and make them pay so they would review you

[@oivinf]

I'm never gonna edit these maps, and don't even play CS anymore, but thanks for you efforts regardless. A true pillar of the community.

[@LoganCovers91]

This just shows how old and counterintuitive Valves Hammer Editor is. It's embarrasing. I pity the people at valve that have to deal with it everyday

[@midge_gender_solek3314]

Well, it's a modified gldsrc editor. I can't say it's completely counterintuitive, but it's buggy and filled with workarouds.

[@mrjoe447]

Shut the fuck up. Hammer is the best editor, and it's techniques allow for a truly optimized games. There's a reason why UE4 games are all garbage 20 fps-ers and source titles run smooth as butter.

[@hyanehighoctane]

@@mrjoe447 nah, Hammer is shit, takes hours to compile one map, needs plenty of workarounds, bugs often on large projects, and is only "optimized" because mappers takes the time and the engine is 15 years old. See the blog posts about why Insurgency Devs changed from Source to Unreal, it explains stuff better

[@jeltje50]

@@mrjoe447 idk what you're on about but eu4 has good fps. Hoi4 is pretty bad. But that is because what it has to calculate is entirely different..

[@floatingpyro2050]

@@mrjoe447 thats the source engine and the mappers doing that. bad maps lag even on source.

[@da_nos]

Why do i watch these video even tho i understand nothing :v

[@lass1234]

Every gamer should understand/know how the game works. Then the next step, you realize you are a mapper!

[@jensjens698]

You still understand that you are watching a mad man.

[@sulphurous2656]

I wish the model scaling feature was implemented for Garry's Mod Hammer.

[@lambdamodsdev8647]

There is model scaling for Gmod/HL2 Hammer, it's just buggy and not that good. There is a prop_scalable for EP2, also look for the keyvalye "Model Scale" ("modelscale" w/o smartedit) in prop_dynamic or prop_dynamic_override. It wont scale in hammer, only in-game. It also won't scale the collision model or it will be non-solid, so you're left with building your own collision model with nodraw (it also wont work on physics props)

[@jondycz]

Kliksphilip, I watch ESCalation for a while and he makes map remakes for counter strike. I think you might be interested in "helping" him? Or to make some projects together? Definitely check out his work

[@Eternaldoves]

Martin Joneš ayy I watch him too

[@TKsh1]

ESCalation? I see you're a man of culture as well.

[@fexofenadine7054]

*new/beta gun that should be in cs intensifies*

[@XanderNiles]

Martin Joneš EScalation is an awesome guy, he deserves more subs.

[@jondycz]

Xander Niles Definitely agree on this one.

[@asbestosispoison]

"valve added a rescale" Welp, whos gonna be the first to make a tiny city with tiny props huh?

[@shibapatrol801]

VALVE hire this man already!!

[@cuddleheart]

2:52

[@FPSunderscoreSam]

Its like modding for fallout 4, people intentionally obfuscate the decompiler to prevent it from decompiling properly. I'm more then happy for people to decompile my dog poo mods if it means people may learn something.

[@prebenkul]

I found a bug 3kliksphilip, I just wanted to let you know as I don't have a reddit or a following big enough to be noticed, so im telling you, maybe you got contacts that I don't. I do believe this is infact a bug, or a glitch as its glitchy when its performed. Basically, this is for casual modes and not competitive where teammates don't collide with eachother. How it happens is easily done, just walk inside a teammate, crouch down and then uncrouch afterwards, you will notice a glitch, a delay. A 1 second delay or so before you stand up, this doesn't happen if ur not inside a teammate. Its too glitchy to not be a bug. Like this so everyone sees, :D

[@midge_gender_solek3314]

These broken areaportals gave me an idea: a map, in which all doorways are covered by visible walls without collisions.

[@amaruqlonewolf3350]

We call it cs_747.

[@Raoul1G]

Valve does not deserve passionate people like you - you probably give more of a shit than most people there. It’s painful to see that game die with zero communication from them or meaningful updates

[@zi8gzag]

Philip is a hero of the CS community

[@S4NSE]

or maybe they implemented it and then changed something on a map using that feature to make you aware of it =) now you got two possibilities which means you can't know, so better go with the positive one, from here on there are two outcomes, thinking about it or not (staying positive), thinking about it (calculating possiblities, you kinda that already but me): change positive to negative or you stay positive, you are already on positive so that dissapears, only one left: change to negative, so accept eeet =))

[@MaxMineur]

It's time Valve. Hire Philip.

[@melon1592]

Been suddenly binge watching 3kliksphilips videos and it honestly might make me open csgo again after not playing for like, 5 years

[@pyromisery1638]

Cool Map Coming in Community Server Or Steam Workshop And Rejected By Valve

[@fuzz11111111]

At least it looks (based on the vid) like map decompilers available now mostly just screw up on newer map features. I remember mucking around with them 20 years ago on Quake 2 and Half-Life 1 maps and they wouldn't even get the basic map geometry right (as in you'd usually have several leaks to the void). In the end I only bothered to make one modified map: I used the onlyents option to port TFC's 2fort to original Counter-Strike (I managed to convince a server admin to try it - it was VERY boring to play on).

[@omegalul9629]

7:28 Heh.

[@drifter402]

0:49 DUDE that was my favourite CSS map. Was one of the best user maps ever. Also the helicopter easter egg was crazy.

[@jr.jackrabbit10]

7:31 I kind of want to see how 10 people in game would react to this. No predictions or hard reads. Just pure encounter based combat

[@SuperCookieGaming_]

yea!! I can finally convert my short dust 2 map into the new map!!! You are a life saver Thank you! heres the link: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1123228286

[@XaneMyers]

9:06 Reminds me of when I tried to make a (pretty bad) custom Portal map. I placed a physics car model on a highway (of some kind) and made it fade out at short distances. However, this made the car start trying to "jumpscare" me, instead doing this every time I'd walk toward or look at it...

[@BenoitAdam]

You can edit any map on Natural Selection 2 because you don't need compiling on their engine. This is interesting.

[@MikkelSnickel]

I like Cornish pasties

[@MikkelSnickel]

oh Heinrich whats good my dude? Havent seen you since 1945

[@MikkelSnickel]

Heinrich Himmler ja das ist mich!

[@MrLyosea]

You and TopHattWiffle have helped me a lot and inspired me to make my own maps. I've made three roleplaying maps with your help. Rp_lyolux, Rp_assault(cs_assault edited to roleplay standards) and rp_roadside. Also I always liked your sexy accent.

[@RMJ1984]

Sounds like it would almost be easier to improve the decompiler.

[@GRZNGT]

Moving from brushes to models is seems to be an incredibly painfull process for Source Engine. For so many years we couldn't port maps from other games into CS only because Source stuck in the 90s.

[@Hamentsios10]

COD and Source games engines are so similar. I know theyre both based on quake3 but seeing nodraw, clip, portals working the same way makes it so familiar to me.

[@markomilojkovic7899]

Anyone else love the combo of philips talkin and the music?

[@bobnilda9894]

Recreate nuke but make it look like the nuke map from the trailer.

[@jegneg]

i love the secret symbols in these valve games, i remember seeing an M and J merged together in pl_upward from tf2 hidden out of bounds in a shack

[@tezza48]

This really is a testament to how old source is, portal based occlusion culling is rarely used nowadays. It would be really interesting to work on a tool for doing all of the steps in one go, including recognising the new features

[@solaris5303]

Occlusion culling using (auto-generated) portals is still fairly common nowadays, especially on mobile hardware. GPU culling is great, but in order to do it well you kind of have to design your entire renderer around it.

[@Qbabxtra]

I have followed your channel for years, and today i think ive watched three hours straight of mapping vids from your channel. Its absolutely brilliant content and you are a fantastic storyteller!

[@DeathBringer769]

Editing existing maps is how I learned to map back in the GoldSrc and Source days. I recommend to anyone wanting to learn and it shouldn't be "frowned" upon at all ;)

[@Ben.N]

Picture of your mum?

[@logansutton4464]

wot?

[@Volian0]

yes

[@ezayas91]

I would love to see what Vertigo looks like. I bet it has so many func details as they are always changing it.

[@peterhansmann3289]

3:08 listening to some music XD "Vitas 7th element" nice one!!

[@lass1234]

Man, Valve never support decompiler they rather want you to go ask the original mapper to provide the source map. Same thing goes with the resources of new released entity. There are never wiki or documents anywhere to help designer (mapper/modder/modeler) to do their things. This really remind me the kinda pain I had when I worked on source engie. MAN

[@crabbyninja]

Hopefully one day we will be able to edit all Valve maps with a maximum of 3kliksᵖʰᶦᶫᶦᵖ

[@marcooosbibendorsht1334]

Still didn't get any ads

[@Gamen4Bros]

Quickscopesss

[@jasperd8048]

please make a new map and do a tutorials/behind the scenes series on it just like you did a long time ago, really enjoyed that series

[@SeazonHDx]

Everytime i opened a full map on Source SDK my shitty laptop was on fire, i miss the good old times, nice video dude

[@Stanley1423]

Так, это то о чем я думаю?

[@BebxOfficial]

0:05 Actually, being expelled would be far better than having someone steal your work.

[@hastenna8253]

You put so much time into what you do, you deserve more appreciation and subs.

[@lionkor98]

first of all he deserves recognition by valve.

[@sheditz4962]

God damn it Philip. Stop resizing my holes.

[@TheDawidosDawson]

8:26 "Fewer" - Stannis The Mannis

[@giffiyt]

DESTRUCTION DARIUS 2 CONFIRMED are you working it anymore???? and can you make more game making joyrneys?

[@BenLubar]

In a compiled map, there's only one func_detail. That's why bspsource gives you the weird grouping - the only thing it can do is guess!

[@Kavukamari]

mmmmmm i dont wanna make a new arch ........ let's add scaling LAZYNESS WINS AGAIN

[@BIGGS1]

Philip i love these types of videos. Thank you

[@beafboy01]

Window in canals not reflected in the water? LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE.

[@ReickyTcharles]

I'm making a jail map and boom I reached the limits for brushes, now I'm learning a 3d program called blender to transform some stuff into prop_models so I can reduce some stuff , by the way it is already in workshop : jb_centercity_alpha. Sry my English ;)

[@VulpineNebine]

Hey Philip, I was wondering if you would consider making a video about backstabbing mechanics, what kind of angles are there, what sort of checks the game looks for. I was messing around bots and was just seeing what sort of janky angles I could get stabs from, and I was wondering if the mechanic had any similarity to the backstab mechanic in TF2. The difference here is that in that game, the spy picks up the knife to show that a backstab is doable. I dunno, not too much to it, but I thought it might be worth investigating.

[@pancakesandsyrup1233]

Nice vid, but now I'm debating on making my map files downloadable. HMMMMMMMM...???

[@lambdamodsdev8647]

I wish that the the original VMFs fro HL2 were available, BSPsource breaks so many things (not that unsurprising for a de-complier), some maps are so broken that they don't compile or crash on spawn

[@DEVILISHTASTE]

С Витаса на заднем плане орнул :)

[@akikaki99]

I like the Deus Ex music in the background while a british guy is explaining source mapmaking.....

[@Xale007]

I don't agree : func_wall are used for optimisation. It doesn't create new polygons on the wall it is stick too, and it is ignored by HLvis.

[@sidious1179]

3kliksphilip? What is the pos1 command, i was trying to find it but, i couldn't. i dont know what to search. :( PLS - ur biggest fan.

[@williamkechkaylo7915]

well thanks. I subscribed and the reason is quite simple - people are changing nice maps because they don't know how to fix the problems with bots. they remove doors, and the like w/o knowing what they are doing to a map that took well over a year to make and screw them up. makes me mad. I never learned to map but now I want to. I helped a couple guys with their maps but I just always did the nav files. I told the admins of the server that I could easily fix the bad navs. most bad nav are because the mappers fail to update the nav files after making changes. i.e. adding or removing doors, windows, etc. at 65 yrs old, y not!!so, I want to possibly make it so they can't or don't need to screw it up.I was wondering, can I make maps off line?? I live in the summer, in Canada and no internet is possible but I have my laptop ( biggest badass one I can make). so, I have alot of time on my hands there and no one is around to bother me. what say you?? possible?? thanks.

[@georghieronymus9935]

I remember decompiling to vmf in the early mid 2000s and it was a crap shoot whether my machine would lock up when I loaded them in worldcraft errr.... I mean hammer editor. The output files were junk too... missing all kinds of stuff, splitting brushes up into random forms...

[@7EEVEE]

I've been wanting to get into map development for years, but hammer is a joke compared to literally any other content creation software, I doubt the Valve team still uses that archaic shit... we need new tools!

[@tjhl8545]

There's a modified bspsrc on the black mesa forums which Flavrans has made for better use with BM maps, and it dosnt require the notepad trick. forums.blackmesasource.com/index.php/Thread/30772-Decompiling-Black-Mesa-Maps/

[@Blixibon]

Occluders in decompiled maps can be fixed by replacing all of the "Skip" textures on occluders with "Nodraw".

[@kaadmy2625]

I was under the impression that because of the rumors that the current/new Dust2 being made with Hammer 2 the VMF files wouldn't be all that useful for current mapping with Hammer.

[@thomastakeshita4979]

I remember when you put the "wallhack maps" on your server. Terrorists and Counter terrorists joined together to get on top of Mirage's Palace and stuff. I guess you forgot to put in some clipping brushes.

[@MRGhorm1379]

Great video 3kliks, but why doesn't somebody update the compiler?

[@nyzer7687]

Hey, could you do an in-depth video about why you sometimes think you should have hit the enemy multiple times and then it turns out you did zero to insignificant damage at all? To some extent it is of course just people denying that they messed up some shots, but I sometimes also look at clips after my games and still think that I should have got the kill or at least some more hits. I don't experience this a lot in other shooters, so I'd be really interested to know what the problem is. Is it poor coding? Is it just the hitboxes? Are the servers really that bad? Is latency a problem? Or do I just plain suck at times? (Which could also very well be the case :D)

[@voltag3man]

you created the smash game mode? I remember playing a rip off game mode on Zombie Panic: Source for a while that was the funnest game mode to play

[@FRAMANDUDE]

1:12 Sees Pop-In. CS:GO Is Literally Unplayable

[@insidiousrival9304]

Video idea! You should make a time lapse of you making your own competitive map using sdk hammer. Then people can slow it down and learn from your ideas. What do you think? make it really simple and enjoyable to watch.

[@lukewaltham6739]

I got csgo two days ago using the steam gift cards and because I'm Australian it gave $14.98 I was dying because I had to go back out just to buy 1 cent so I could buy csgo but I did it, and the game is good but I was wondering, how do I get better? Btw I'm not even ranked yet.

[@k1bsTV]

Do you think the weird occluders and nodraw blocks are evidence of an improved, post-Hammer editor, and its automatic functionality?