My BANG FOR THE BUCK Ryzen 3600X Build! (Ft. NZXT H510 Elite)

[@phoenix_am3400]

Whoa I just searched "ryzen 5 3600 b450 tomahawk" and this caught my eye; then I realised it came out minutes ago.

[@lvl3472]

for the price what is better the 3600x ?

[@phoenix_am3400]

@Chris Sandoval Then overclock.

[@jrldtlld]

@@lvl3472 it just boils down to the cooler, saw a test a while ago and with same cooler they just work almost the same and its not worth for the extra bucks you pay.

[@seb2750]

It would be good to get the GPU a notch up if you can save good moola on a 3600 instead of the X

[@Rem_NL]

you can go with cheaper a320 motherboard and a 3600x if you don't need the b450 features. Even more bang for the buck

[@ness13]

Just a heads up at 1:10 he said the 3600 has 6 cores and 6 threads but he meant to say 12 threads.

[@thebestweston8307]

He forgot it was AMD for a second.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

Maybe he turned off SMT?

[@colevano]

It seems like that has been fixed

[@j.owenwillis2460]

Yes he rushed this build. He forgot some things like flashing the bios and others.

[@ATI6950FTW]

@@j.owenwillis2460 FFS this is the most important thing

[@mandasantoso]

Excellent build, but I think it will be better if you use 3600 and 5700XT.

[@lastpally]

I would’ve gone cheaper on the case for the 6700xt. Have the card and love it.

[@demon6937]

@@OhNoPoke he meant 5700xt

[@hottshot132]

uP-Andre don’t think Paul is aware of global prices for hardware. He makes these builds with USD in mind so that usually means it’s more expensive for UK viewers and Canadians.

[@blehhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

@uP-Andre doesn't count for all of Europe. I bought a 2600x, 16gb 3200mhz and 5700 xt build for 1000 USD.

[@NobsiBonswa]

@uP-Andre Dude just get 16 Gigs of whatever DDR4 Ram. 3000mhz is 80 Bucks.

[@scottamolinari]

Just to note. MSI brought out the B450 Tomahawk MAX, which will work directly with 3000 series Ryzen CPUs.

[@itskidkelly]

Goes for budget build* *Decides to get a 170 dollar case*

[@syed5126]

yeah😂😂😂

[@BombaJead]

Yeah this isn't budget it's more like a "midrange" build, for a budget build I would say r5 2600, b450 and rx580/590 or 1660 should be enough for 1080p 60fps.

[@ac3331]

@@BombaJead 1000 dollar = midrange? more like cheapskate . 1500 is midrange

[@perhapsyes2493]

​@@ac3331 1500 for a midrange PC, without a monitor and externals etc? Nah. That'd mean ~1750USD for a midrange gaming setup. That's just not realistic. There aren't any real defined lines here, but the way I see it: low end is like ~750USD, mid is anywhere between 900 and 1200, high is ~1500 to ~1700 and enthusiast level is ~2K+++. I suggest you look up the Steam hardware data. What you'll see is that the mainstream is surprisingly low end.

[@ac3331]

@@perhapsyes2493 if you look at what u get in a laptop for 900 USD then you see my point,you wont game on that thing at all thats why 900 USD is higher low end below 1000 USD isn't even a possibilty to be considered a midranger. You just have to look at the prices ranges of the different components. As long as you have to buy a entry level motherboard,GPU or CPU then its lowend.

[@zombie9516]

Took 12hrs to get my 1st PC built last night. Set it up outside of case first, but no display on monitor. Long story short, i had to get my motherboard updated. Had to take it in to have a Ryzen 1 to update motherboard to work with my Ryzen 5. Drove hr and half away got it done, assembled again still didnt work. We finally figured out that we needed to plug in another cable into the psu to sauce up the motherboard. Held down the power button and got the display to work and boot bios. Just have to do some cable management. Definitely worth the stress and frustration! Look forward to gaming on PC!

[@173.07]

2:17 “you don’t need fancy RGB” Now hold up

[@YokeyDokey]

You really dont, I mean yeah its attractive to look at, aesthetics like rgb are a big plus, but also a big minus to your wallet.

[@abserooni]

Yokey i mean rgb is shown to give 14% fps boost

[@abrahammusicm5544]

Rgb equals o FPS that’s why it’s evolving but just backwards

[@jeffharmse]

@@YokeyDokey yeah but its a huge FPS booster. 1 RGB fan gives you 34% more FPS

[@jeffharmse]

ǤɌΔƔΞDIǤǤΞɌ no, benchmarks show that rgb on boosts frames by around 23%

[@soapa4279]

Good thing the 5700 is a blower style for that zero airflow case

[@lastpally]

The case is actually a negative pressure. He’s great got thermals when setup correctly.

[@awayracketeer6918]

Soap A The flow isn’t actually really affected. In the original H500, the front panel was still blocked off and had great airflow as there was ventilation if the sides, and they’re just replacing the blocked off front panel with glass, so in reality the airflow isn’t really altered much, if any at all.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

Original H500 had by no means great airflow. Sure, it wasn't terrible, but it is nowhere near to Meshify C or Silverstone RL06. I am quite sure even O11 dynamic has better thermal performance and it has glass all over it

[@rci-tf2zc]

yep steve would have thrown it in the trash.

[@AcedNAonDiscord]

@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 yeah I had the h500 and when I got the dark base pro 900 rev 2 the case temp was leaps and bounds better.

[@frenchfries4948]

Can you show us how you used the q-flash to update the bios in part 2 i think it would help many people

[@Percify]

just download the update from a different computer on a fat32 flashdrive and insert it into the bios slot and press the flashback buttton

[@megamind8359]

Msi has launched b450 motherboards with updated bios and fot example b450 tomahaek max,max means that is compatible out of the box.

[@ae0072]

just google it, shouldnt be hard lol

[@TTGamingTrinh]

Use a 4gb to 8gb flash drive. I tried a 32gb and failed multiple times 😂 plugged a 4gb in, started right away

[@WGITR3TRO]

Yes pls! I ended up bricking my Mobo trying to flash it and had to buy an x570.. not mad about it but def could've been avoided

[@Felix-ve9hs]

*The 3600X is only 1-3% faster* Do as Paul says and not as he does

[@LesoPaul1]

you may want to add a disclaimer about msi bios update issues with 400 series motherboards and 3000 series processors.

[@melancholiadementia]

yes please, stop recommending that board until msi releases a true fix

[@j.owenwillis2460]

Yes you are right. MSI has a lot of problems with this board. Notice that when he turns on the system he gets the ez-debug cpu red light. 13:17

[@suren123a]

It’s not just this board. Almost every x570 has beta bios too. On my friend’s build with a 3600 and b450 tomahawk all went well with the bios flashback so YMMW

[@MegaDominik1]

@@j.owenwillis2460 thats normal. i am using a b450m mortar and anryzen 2600nand the ez denung led lights up everytime for the first 1 - 2 seconds after start

[@stonecat676]

True, build at your own risk. They just updated a new bios for b450 boards tho and it seems to have fixed people's posting issues. Refer to r/msi_gaming for more info

[@jasonmcgrody9472]

I love the smooth jazz playing during the build.

[@Energetic_Ballistic_Solutions]

Would have gotton the rx 5700xt and not the 3600x

[@Moshenokoji]

Same. It's way more worth it to get the 3600 and get the 5700XT

[@suren123a]

Word. The 3600 and 3600x are the exact same chip.

[@mikeaaronc77]

@@suren123a buut the 3600x has a higher base clock and a way better cooler.

[@AcedNAonDiscord]

And the xt has a backplate

[@phalanger1]

I would've gotten a motherboard that properly supports these CPU's instead.

[@RyTrapp0]

You should give the "NZXT bar" thing in this case a quick & dirty gloss black coating, would really add some subtle detail to the interior given the matte black finish it has stock. You could do this by cleaning it up and giving it a couple coats of gloss clear coat, but I'd suggest lightly scuffing it(a softer Scotch-Brite pad), cleaning it up with a prep spray and lint free towels/rags, then shooting it with a gloss black enamel. I think that would be a "can't go wrong" improvement to this case, not a bright color that steals your attention, just a subtle enamel gloss to make it more visually appealing without over doing it. Of course, this would provide the opportunity to make other changes as well, paint other parts, even just throw a stencil on a side panel, how about using automotive stick-on insulation to make a cheap case quieter - this stuff is EASY, cheap, and doesn't even require any more tools than it takes to assemble a PC, some people really make this out to be a 'drastic' amount of work, but it really doesn't have to be more than a couple of hours of your labor at the most, with some drying time. To put it another way, if you've ever worked an actual job before, then you're over qualified for cleaning, prepping, planning, taping off/stenciling, and rattle canning your way to a case that is EXACTLY what you would like it to look like. You don't even have to have any airbrush ability - we aren't painting murals on the sides of 1970s custom vans here...

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

Now I only have to live in a country where these parts actually cost 1000 Bucks and aren't overpriced.

[@jrv1326]

😜🤣

[@sambusse]

What country?

[@itstherealguy9762]

Same

[@ArchangelMiniatureGaming]

Chyeah. This is a 1600 pc in canada...

[@brissa8858]

1500 euros in France 1700$

[@jubalvw3302]

This build with the meshify c case would be an awesome airflow alternative

[@sonfoku73]

@@vablo7198 more premium case overall cuz it's ya know fractal design. Plus the cable management and SSD placement behind the Mobo is a dream

[@Bob_Cratchit]

The brand new Meshify S2 is the same price point as the case he uses here. The Meshify C is the same price as the cheaper alternative that he mentions as well. Both offer superior cooling, filters for all intakes, drive bay with sleds, etc. Better all around. I still use a Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 for my main system. Big fan of Fractal Design - it's as if they actually use the cases they make. www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/meshify

[@FlintG]

JubaL VW Yup, I am getting the phanteks eclipse p400 case red and black since my motherboard is red and black.

[@tribalhumor6684]

The standard nzxt h510 is $69.99 on best buy should I get it? Need a little help

[@PistolShrimpPimp]

6:00 Important to know, you can contact AMD and they will provide you a kit to upgrade your bios for free, basically a CPU you can put in to upgrade your Bios that you can then send back. Search "Short Term Processor Loan Boot Kit" on Google for information.

[@acemay3]

yes you can if you wait 15 days from AMD just to say ok and then send boot kit plus 7 to 10 days to mail out.

[@PistolShrimpPimp]

@@acemay3 okay I'll let them to apologise to you for the offer

[@chadmckean9026]

@@acemay3 I requested one on Monday mid-afternoon, gave them documentation Tuesday (late at night) they shipped the boot kit Thursday morning ETA is up to 5 business days, that is at most 11 calendar days (9 business days)

[@TheSjuris]

Tenfootgiant or you can spend $5 and get the Max motherboard and use it right of way.

[@scribeofsolace]

the best bang for my buck happened last week around 12am in my car on Saturday..

[@twinstatic2560]

What did you buy?

[@twinstatic2560]

@@s1l3nc3r3 oksiir

[@CarAudioInc]

I just figured I'd share my experience because I did the exact same build. I bought the b450 tomahawk for the 3600x but had major issues with posting. (Yes with the 3000 compatible updated bios). Thing took like 20 seconds to post and wouldn't post like 75% of the time. I switched it out for a x570-p from asus and my issues were fixed.

[@jangorh]

The end sums it all up for me. Every time i want to get back into PC's "if you compare what you can get for $1000 now compared to last year....." That was always my beef, things get outdated so quick

[@JoseSilva-wv2sh]

Recomendation dont overspend on case get the 5700xt instead

[@vovical]

Cases are a good investment, it's the foundation of your build. You might change GPU or swap out motherboards but the case will stay constant

[@Red-ku7zg]

Jose Silva 5700 and 5700xt have almost same performance

[@bgdaddy42069]

I agree I got a 50 case for my case and works just fine

[@syncmonism]

@@vovical Yeah, it's worth getting a good case for precisely this reason... but I think ATX cases like this one are unnecessarily large. Now, space isn't a big issue for a lot of people, but for some people it is, and you can still have more than enough room with an mATX case. Also, virtually nobody needs an ATX motherboard anymore. Even most professional users don't need full ATX size, though it might be safer to stick with ATX if you plan on using the computer for serious professional computing, as you might actually want to use multiple PCI-E cards at some point if you're doing heavy professional stuff.

[@soulsqueezer4022]

Could have gotten the Elite model and save 50 bucks! Using the money to get the 5700XT.

[@sounavaghosh]

Did not expect a Verge PC build level video from here. 1. The memory sticks are in DIMM slots 1 and 3, instead of 2 and 4 2. He never mentioned (maybe he didn't know?) that B450 Tomahawk is currently a massive headache with 3600 or 3000 series in general. Even his machine didn't post - the CPU EZ DEBUG LED is On, towards the end of the video 3. There is a bitwit video, where he has demonstrated, blower style cards get very got in H500

[@tonybarden8563]

i also noticed the ram slots issue ,but have asked was it intentional (it seems some boards/bios are not running well with ryzen 3000 in the usual a2/b2 ,yet are now working well in the un-usual slots a1/b1) it seems msi and asrock might have this issue from what ive read

[@GeraltOfRivia99]

Is ANYONE else loving the RX5700 reference design as much as me? i actually like the stealth clean look it has. cant say the same for the 5700XT why they thought making it look demented and melted in the middle of the card looked good is beyond me wtf...

[@JB-zq4tk]

ur sacrificing temps and noise for aesthetic???

[@GeraltOfRivia99]

@@JB-zq4tk the noise isnt to bad on them

[@nickflahive8903]

I literally just finished my first build with a tomahawk and a 2600. I now get the vibe that 3600 was the play lol

[@DenNationishere]

I recently built a b450 and 2600 set as well. But most people here are saying the 3000 series with the b450 is 50/50 compatible anyways

[@justinc2633]

2600 is still really good, depends how much you paid for it.

[@bernardwong5857]

How is this a bang for the buck build with the 3600x and the H510 Elite in there?

[@Nick.L.]

Yeah, 3600 and 5700xt would be much faster and more reasonable. Also the h510 elite makes no sense

[@seeyounorth]

@@Nick.L. I think he might have been trying to find some reason to showcase the H510 Elite. Kind of seemed that way when he did the unboxing video a few days ago.

[@danielalejandrofernandez180]

Seriously... I downvoted this video. It doesn't make any sense...

[@myoriginalname]

@@seeyounorth Yeah looks like a disguised sponsored video sorta

[@kacperptak7881]

It’s called getting money for using specific parts use your brain

[@friedspit3760]

Hey Paul that case is beautiful, but the mb511 rgb is currently on sale at newegg for $65. Full front mesh face, 3 front 120 mm rgb fans plus one 120 at rear, probably better thermals over the elite. Option for up to 240 mm fans or aio up top, and up to 360 mm at the front. Rgb controller included, compatible with the MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, and Asrock rgb eco systems. The savings on this case ( $95 ove the h510 elite ) would be an excellent way to free up cash to upgrade to a 5700 xt and better air cooler. But that Nzxt is beautiful.

[@turbografx-1641]

Spend the extra $10 and get a Cooler Master H500. Amazing airflow and feature rich case

[@suren123a]

DJ DONNY spend the extra $40 and get a define r6. Super customizable, sleek, and great options between quiet and airflow.

[@chanceopinion]

@@suren123a Zerus spend an extra $270 and get a Cosmos C700M. Even more customizable, excellent airflow and comes with a handy carry strap.

[@gerardo49078]

@@chanceopinion Spend an extra $1,000 and you will notice no food in the fridge

[@andrewseiler9918]

As someone looking to build their first PC, this is a huge help. Thanks!

[@BillAndersonNS]

Andrew if you're building your first system, you will have a screaming machine. I've been using PCs for almost 40 years now, and it's only 2 years ago than my son and I built our first system. PCPARTPICKER website was a huge help in price comparisons with different vendors. We are in Canada and it even works here with Canadian suppliers. (My only protip: if you build your system outside the case, as many recommend just to test all the components, none of the videos told us how to actually turn the system on when you get everything installed on the motherboard. Turning on the power supply is not enough you have to short out the Power pins on the motherboard with a paperclip or screwdriver). Believe me when I says this: if *I* can buy the pieces and put it together and have it work....then anyone can do it. Have fun and good luck.

[@belowaverage3325]

The tomahawk max is currently the same price as the non max I would recommend getting that

[@ed1726]

Before you complain about the case and the CPU watch the video and read the description. Paul explicitly points out the 3600 is better value in the video. I assume the case and 3600x were just parts he had available (or is sponsored by). Personally not a fan of the H500 case, choking the front fans seems like a bad decision? Also (at least in the UK) DDR4-3600 is kinda expensive, maybe DDR4-3200 is better value? I've heard contradictory advice on how much performance benefit there is. I'd think about upgrading the SSD to 1TB, the 1TB drives are typically faster I believe? GPU is difficult, depends on what you want to do and local prices. In the UK the 1660ti and Vega 56 are around the 250 mark. While the 2060 and RX 5700 are a bit over 300. Vega 56 seems like good value to me, but it might not have the power for what you want (or it might have way more of course). Seems like a bad time to get the RX 5700 too, might be worth waiting for an aftermarket version? Not sure how long that might be.

[@badnewsbruner]

I think everyone should thank AMD (regardless of how much some of you may love Intel) for what they've done for prices in recent years, especially with the launch of the Ryzen 3000 series of CPUs. I hate to imagine what the market would look like if Ryzen never would've happened. Thanks AMD, for keepin' it real, and showing your competitors what integrity and humility look like ;). I've never built a system that didn't utilize an AMD CPU, and I look forward to continuing that trend, now more than ever! Thank you Paul, for the epic content. Love this build, I'm kind of an NZXT fanboy.... By that I mean I'm actually a HUGE NZXT fanboy! I just pre-ordered my H510i case, and I've got my 3700X and Crosshair VIII motherboard right here, waiting for their new home. The ONLY reason I didn't go with the H510 Elite is the fact that NZXT do not offer RGB static pressure fans for their AIO coolers. Meaning, if you plan on cooling with a Kraken X62 or the 240mm variant, you won't be able to show off your RGB fans in the front. So, unless you buy static pressure RGB fans from another company, the front of your H510 Elite is going to look pretty boring. I wish NZXT would offer an RGB version of the Kraken X62 specifically for this reason. I would've gone with the Elite if they did.

[@breathLP]

I am just making the switch from Intel, if they ever get the R9 3900X in stock again.. Supply seems to be really bad, according to the seller they won't get another batch until september 2nd. I already have most of the other parts, waiting for the CPU feels like an eternity.

[@badnewsbruner]

​@@breathLP Congrats! Welcome to team red xD Yeah, I had a similar issue with CPU and motherboard stock. The Crosshair VIII would be in stock, and the 3700x would be out, and then the 3700x would be in, but the board would be out, or the non wifi version would be the only one in stock. I just had to bite the bullet and make two separate orders. It was SO worth it though, and definitely worth the wait. I had the money to build a new gaming PC for 3 months before Zen2 launched, it took a LOT of patience, but waiting for Zen2 and the X570 platform was more than worth it. Glad I didn't get impatient and build a Zen+ system, these 3rd gen chips are inSANEly good. Good luck man, I hope your chip comes in soon. Word of advice, as someone who freaked out when I saw my temps. Most mainstream monitoring software shows inaccurate readings for temps, voltages etc. AMD's Ryzen Master software is the only tool that shows the real time accurate results. Here is a link to a megathread concerning this whole debacle linustechtips.com/main/topic/1087962-zen-2-ryzen-3000-voltageheat-problems-mega-thread-updated-300719/ . Also, make sure you update your bios as soon as you can and download chipset drivers from AMDs website. The chipset drivers will add the Ryzen balanced and high power plans. You'll need those power plans in order to get the full potential from your chip.

[@travisalstrand4237]

I think I just found my first build! Thank you Paul!

[@ChaitanyaShukla2503]

I would skip that choking hazard H510 in favour of P600s or H500(Cooler Master) along with skipping 3600x in favour of non-X CPU.

[@celesi87]

I have the H500 from Cooler Master and it is freakin awesome! Also one should invest the money saved by taking the 3600 into a 20-25$ Tower cooler in my opinion...

[@MatureManure]

I mean, it's proven to not be a choking hazard but maybe I just really like this case

[@TheSjuris]

MatureManure NZXT has used this design for years already.

[@valrabellkeys9867]

Ryzen 3000 series have truly taken the industry by storm. I hope to see more builds like this in the future!

[@ToothlessSnakeable]

Those b450 msi boards are working 50/50 with Ryzen 3000.

[@darianbaxley8850]

i currently run a 2700x in my b450 motherboard

[@ToothlessSnakeable]

@@darianbaxley8850 exactly why I said Ryzen 3000

[@j.owenwillis2460]

Please notice that this board did not post, He has a ez-debug cpu error light on

[@ToothlessSnakeable]

@@j.owenwillis2460 it's a bit misleading when the board doesn't actually work

[@JoseSilva-wv2sh]

I had to return 1 board because I wouldn't post, and the second will post sometimes

[@racooley]

If you have a case with that new USB 3.1-style plug, and a motherboard that only has the older 3.0 socket, there are adapters you can buy. I just ran into this problem last week with a new Ryzen 3 build. I found this item on Amazon: "Cablecc USB 3.1 Front Panel Header to USB 3.0 20Pin Header Extension Cable 20cm for ASUS Motherboard", which is a tiny PCB with sockets for both connectors. The one thing you need to make sure is that the angle works out for you. This one worked fine for me plugged into the 3.0 motherboard header that was next to the 24-pin ATX socket--the USB 3.1 socket faces forward in the case. On the other hand, if you have a 3.0 header that is on the bottom edge of your motherboard, this will face down, and you may not have enough room for your cable to fit. There are other products that face the opposite direction; make sure you get one that meets your needs. Also, I found that the cable from the case will fit into the adapter either way, but it only works in one orientation; in the other, my motherboard says it detects a short and refuses to boot. I don't know if that's a defect of the adapter or something else. (When I plug a USB-C phone into the port, it works fine.)

[@Zerogenome]

I like the way you always give a choice comparison like 3600+cooler or 3600x.

[@ElZamo92]

Zerogenome 3600 + cooler is ALWAYS the better option. The only thing the X does better is having a couple hundred MHz higher clock speeds in certain single threaded applications, and the Wraith Spire is not worth $50. It’s just better to get a vanilla 3600 and slap a Hyper 212 on it.

[@Oldsah]

@@maggi98mw the wraith stealth you mean

[@Zerogenome]

@@ElZamo92 That is what I went for. I just build my 3600 with cooler. I felt like even 3700x is not that worth for its cost. Btw, any opinoin on new gpu? I'm looking for one. Should I wait and see new navi12 or 2070 super is enough? #MehFace

[@TheGauges420]

@@Zerogenome I have a 2070 and it performs wonderfully. I wouldn't wait if you need one.

[@awayracketeer6918]

Zerogenome Go for a 2070 Super. On the EVGA website they’re like $500 and they have better performance than the 1080ti, which can still cost $450+, and you also get raytracing, it might not be the best card for raytracing, but hey, it’s still there available for you to use on the games that support it at anytime. You might even be able to find regular 2070s on the EVGA website or others, as when the SUPER cards came out the 2070 dropped down around $400-$440, I guess they were trying to get rid of their stocks for the 2070 and 2060 to replace them with the SUPER cards.

[@drayquan23]

11:59 -- "fans are spinning" ;) cheers to the video editor! (fans are not spinning at this point lol)

[@Absamo97]

Please do a 3700x reasonable build. Thank you.

[@Xx-xd3zo]

So pretty. Seriously, that's all you need... The two fans in the front and that's it. You can have more rgb stuff. But the thing is so clean, you don't need it. Especially with those fans - they help make it.

[@2Cold4u]

5:55 that motherboard has the bio flash. So you dont need a older cpu for it at all. Just flash the bios in there.

[@TheSjuris]

Where are you going to get a flash stick with the bios without a pc? Easier to buy a board that’s already compatible with it say the Tomahawk Max for instance.

[@y.shaked5152]

2:25 - Easily done by going on to the manufacturer's website and looking for compatible RAM that they have tested against their MB hardware. Good advice by Paul there.

[@Mykuul]

Paul please don't mislead people with b450 tomahawk. It has troubles with even updated bios for 3rd gen ryzen and yet u post video with ez-debug led lit on cpu. At least mention that it won't work out of the box man. This board isn't advertised as ryzen 3000 ready.

[@xmagnaxtank1179]

Pretty sure he said that this board wont work outta the box, he said that some 3 series and some 4 series boards will need a cpu placed to be able to update the bios. Some boards have the bios flash button on io shield or on the mobo itself. I know the board i got has the bios flash button but its an X570 mobo.

[@Mykuul]

xMAGNAx TANK117 b450 and b450m by MSI isn’t equipped with bios flash button

[@xmagnaxtank1179]

@@Mykuul youll need a ryzen gen 2 cpu to update the bios so you can get compatible for gen 3

[@Mykuul]

xMAGNAx TANK117 I personally know it really well but he failed to mention it and presented pc as it POSTed without any problem. That’s what’s bothering me.

[@CO8848_2]

I got the parts at Microcenter, they have bundles that save you more. I got 1TB SSD, 32GB memory, and 5700XT with 3600, and Lian Li O11-Dynamic case for < $1000. Waiting for them to restock 3900x so I can swap the 3600 to 3900x. Then I get 12 core for $1300! WOW!

[@lastpally]

Need it make sure you have a motherboard with decent vrms and power phases if you want to overclock the 3900x.

[@awayracketeer6918]

You might be able to reduce the costs if you sell that 3600 to get some money towards the 3900x.

[@tazsfixes8368]

there are 100s of posts with people like myself having issues with 3600 and B450 tomahawk, I think even your CPU light is on and not posting LMAO @ 13:18

[@stfu6397]

Murtaza J true Same problem here, you know how to fix it? Thanks

[@ViciousColdness]

100 % Not posting at that stage right now... I made my Tomahawk work but I just returned it yesterday because there were days when I needed to flash the bios multiple times again in order to boot

[@longenough3602]

Mine is now working. But still it does not boot if you have anything connected to the mobos USB ports... so everytime need to plug mouse and keyborad after the boot

[@tonybarden8563]

@@longenough3602 new bios is out today lads ,(with a much earlier release date shown)

[@acemay3]

it's all 450 board not just msi I got the rog strix b450-f and got the same shit. so I spent more money and got a asus x570 tuf board. ALL because of youtube people that get free shit with updated bios from manufacturers, and people like me say hey let me save 150 dollars and get a nice 450 because they all say it works.

[@lyianx]

So glad the new Ryzen's are competitive with Intel. Nice to see AMD back in the race.

[@bongotoucan7913]

Not just back in the race, winning the race

[@lyianx]

@@bongotoucan7913 Not entirely. Intel is still pulling abit a head on single core gaming performing because they clock higher. But you give up alot of performance in other areas for that slight boost.

[@bongotoucan7913]

lyianx by winning the race, I mean that their price to performance is way better, power consumption, etc. the things people don’t normally look at. All while pushing out an incredible amount of power.

[@lyianx]

@@bongotoucan7913 Oh i dont disagree. Im in the middle of building a 3950x system. But 'gamers' always seem so focused on single core speed, that they are hyperfocused on Intel, chasing that +7% gaming performance boost, while giving up +30% productivity gains. I play games a fair bit, but i do other things with my pc far more.

[@Republic3D]

That motherboard does not work with Ryzen 3000 chips out of the box. And installing an older chip and flashing the bios to update is not something the usual beginner PC builder would do. And I believe that's the target group of this video?

[@acraze2287]

How about the gaming plus does that work

[@jamescollings5515]

Acraze the MSI B450 tomahawk MAX works

[@Drinkyoghurt]

MSI boards do have bios flashback so you don’t need to have an older ryzen cpu to flash it.

[@rodneyrogers1319]

Love everything about this, the higher cost just reflects the "smart case" and rgb implementations so I don't think you should be too upset about that. I love this case a lot, and thinking about replacing my P400S. So many options. Great video Paul.

[@scharkalvin]

I mourn the loss of 5.25" front bays for optical drives. Yeah, I still use my DVD drive.

[@TheDevilDog011]

Just a heads up if you want to do this build be very careful of the current state of the MSI b450 boards. People are having major issues with boards not posting at all. If you notice even in this video the cpu debug light is on more than likely if the build was hooked up to a monitor itt wouldnt be be posting.

[@fuzzball3980]

Here is stable version www.msi.com/blog/the-latest-bios-for-amd-300-400-series-motherboard beta bios for b450 tomahawk

[@Sieff1]

Chipmunk Studios that’s the same bios version it’s not stable it’s the one with the same problems

[@nicane-9966]

i would save the 50dls from the 3600x and use those 50 to get a 5700xt.

[@karlkeil07]

I would also save around 80 for that case and get a better cooler and better gpu

[@Elixylon]

FINALLY a sensible budget build that acknowledes the 5700 and doesn't force a 2060 down your throat like it's even a good value at all.

[@wesleybutsch845]

Poor build advice. Did not show the B450 Tomahawk Bios flash process, had a CPU debug light and did not show the system POST.

[@yvonnebong3371]

amd YES

[@RACGump]

A lot of retailers will now flash the BIOS for you... mine did. My Gigabyte B450 came with the F41a BIOS and all chipset/usb/lan etc drivers updated.

[@myoriginalname]

@@RACGump Yeah but then some retailers won't do it and a lot of people got their mobo bricked when trying to flash it.

[@alextwist8]

My system got the cpu debug light the first time I powered it on after updating the bios and I got a black screen. After that it starts up no problem every time.

[@TOXRaizou]

@@RACGump hello ! Did you first upgrade your mobo to F32 and then F40 before that ? Just wondering because I, too, have a b450 ud3h and was wondering if I could buy a 3600 without any downside like the OC.

[@y.shaked5152]

That re-purposed USB block for the front panel is an interesting feature, I would like to see more manufacturers do that.

[@boomwithpeter623]

R5 3600 + GTX1660Ti I think this is a quite good combo

[@teddygoboom1]

I like the 5700 for this price range, a lower card would probably hurt the total FPS per dollar

[@swimrocketeer9]

@@teddygoboom1 depends if you actually play everything on 1440p.

[@MedicatedMatt]

So I just got this case and it came with top exhaust fan I am beyond thrilled given I watched this before hand... good on nzxt. And you for an amazing video!

[@Aggnog]

I'm not sure the 3600x is worth the 50$ extra, but your description lists the 3600 so I guess you agree? Also disagree with the memory, e-die is generally the best die around right now in the price/performance segment.

[@WayStedYou]

Or hynix cjr

[@Dreoni_]

Can you explain why you prefer e-die? For what I can see the issue with the ram in the description is that it is the slower cas 19

[@nickflahive8903]

I looked at the flare x at 3200 and it's literally minimum $130 and it was on Amazon for like 170 which I didn't think was worth it considering third gen ryzen is supposed to support more kinds of memory

[@nawafXjohn]

Just finished building this as my first PC. I'm so happy with how it turned out, I did the 3600 with the hyper 212.

[@Travis_125]

ConsoleRebels did you have issues with the bios and 3600 cpu?

[@nawafXjohn]

ProtectProvidePrevail I did not

[@av0511]

RAM should be in second and fourth slot btw...

[@bambijr76]

Almin its first and third homie

[@krypto2801]

@@bambijr76 does it really need to be in first and third slot? i have it in second and fourth also? pls dont tell me i had it wrong all this time

[@xx_-minejonne-_xx5261]

@@krypto2801 idk if you have found out your answer but it depends on your motherboard

[@odhinn9]

@@krypto2801 I have it in second and fourth slot as well. Pretty sure it's like what @xX_-MineJonne-_Xx said and depends on your motherboard.

[@jcr2147]

I used this video as my template to do my first self-build and I was not ready for the bios issue. After I found a good used Ryzen 3 2200g I was able to get the BIOS update after 15 attempts to get the BIOS flash to acknowledge the USB it was loaded on. After getting the BIOS updated I was able to finish the build with a Ryzen 7 3700. I also upgraded the GPU to a GeForce RTX 2080 Gaming X Trio. I also used a Corsair H115i CPU cooler. With all that said I love it thanks for the ideas on how to approach my build.

[@thisamazingnow]

Hey a lot of people have been having trouble with pairing 3rd gen ryzen with the b450, what do you think?

[@stfu6397]

Dark Nova same here, you know how to fix it? Cuz my new pc built that "works" doesnt show up on my monitor

[@thomtenvergert]

@@stfu6397 Yes, I bought a 3600 paired with a b450 gaming pro carbon ac and spent a whole day troubleshooting to get it to post. What worked for me was having a 4gb flashdrive that's formatted to fat32 with the newest bios from the msi website installed on it. Msi has a guide on KZbin on how to use the bios flash function on the motherboard. Follow that carefully and you should be set. Hope this helped.

[@juuzousuzuya654]

@@thomtenvergert I tried this and it works! Thank you random commenter!

[@everythingfeline7367]

I find that funny, my b350 motherboard took a 3600 with no problems

[@CesarMartinez-wi7wc]

You NEED newest BIOS to boot. It wont be stable/work at all otherwise.

[@seb2750]

Woah I bought that same Adata SSD and MWE Gold for my new PC build a few months back. Glad Paul approved with his value build as well

[@j.owenwillis2460]

Also noticed that you installed memory in slot 1 and 3. The manual says "Always insert memory in the DIMMA2 slot first."(2 and 4)???

[@lightningcrap98]

J. Owen Willis the computer generally wont care if you go 1&3 or 2&4

[@maxisthemoose]

@@lightningcrap98 in some cases this is true, it depends on the motherboard that you end up getting. Although, most of the time OP is right, they require you to install them in DIMMA2 and DIMMB2. Although as I said, sometimes this is not true

[@lightningcrap98]

Martin M idk I’ve built 5 or 6 Ryzen computers for my friends since 1st gen and haven’t had any issues putting them in 1&3

[@l2x6tense]

@@lightningcrap98 you used 2400 or 2133 dimms, try using random 3200 cl16/18 and we talk later

[@lightningcrap98]

Anselmo Oliveira umm no 3200mhz always

[@TParkcasual]

Simple, Beautiful, and Powerful Ryzen Build. I really dig the single blue Led theme its very clean looking. And NZXT did a great job on the new H510 Elite case, the front mounted 140mm fans are very unique looking but idk how thermals are with only side vents. Great Job Paul =)

[@JamesLee-mp2qz]

Grab the Tomahawk MAX, comes with the upgraded BIOS chip.

[@slyx4104]

I heard they release on the 29th of July but supposedly they got pushed back to the 5th of August. Also can't seem to find the price or any info (besides MSI's website)

[@ATI6950FTW]

Grab it where ???

[@michaelkenyon3372]

OK COOL BUTT WEAR!???!?!!??

[@Zlowmoo]

That solid cpu debug led 13:18

[@danielmarin2686]

Please say something about the msi b450 BIOS issues with ryzen 3000...

[@TheSjuris]

Oliver Garandza you need a pc to do that. Using the Tomahawk Max board fixes that.

[@jom0bx189]

To people having problems with Ryzen 3000 and the B450 Tomahawk. Updating the BIOS is really easy with the tomahawk. Download the BIOS onto a flash drive and then put the actual BIOS file into the root of the drive. Rename it to MSI.ROM. On your Mobo IO there is a USB type A port labeled with BIOS Flashback + or something like that. It has white around it on the IO shield. Put your flash drive into there then press the little button right above it. Wait five seconds and a light should to starting flashing near the little button, your PC may boot as well. When the light stops flashing, your BIOS is updated.

[@DavePlaysGaming]

I'm guessing that Paul didn't update the bios on the board since the red CPU light was on. It powers up, yeah, but does it post?

[@montyua6278]

it won't post since the cpu led light is on. He's going to have a fun time trying to get to post from a cold boot.

[@jasonjemariejuntong3668]

Paul put the ram sticks in the first and third slot near from the cpu but in the end of video ram sticks was placed to second and the fourth slot which is best when following dual channel. Some content creator also do this. Some of those explained why they change it but some don't like Paul.

[@bullseye6969]

When in budget build Case itself is expensive then Motherboard and Power supply put together. ;-P

[@oxic1328]

It's cool to see how PCs look more aesthetically pleasing and more future proof around $1000.

[@isop8142]

Dont use MSI B450 TOMAHAWK for new processors, people cant even get it to boot. I allready returned mine after allmost a month of waiting for fixed bios. Still nothing.

[@LTUgamelox]

You need to do a bios flashback to get the new ryzen drivers on the mobo

[@aaulia]

@@LTUgamelox people have trouble booting *AFTER* doing the BIOS flashback. That's the issue.

[@acraze2287]

The updated bios with bios flashback isn’t working?

[@aaulia]

@@acraze2287 Yes, there has been a three releases (v18, v19, v1A or something), and some people still unable to boot (or able to boot, but not consistently). This combined with the general Ryzen 3000 recent issue (which other brand also experience), idle voltages and weird boost behavior, really frustrating to see. Not just people who already own the board, but also people who want a decent B450 (and yes, MSI is the only option, at least in terms of VRM, heat, and performance)

[@acraze2287]

Ahmad Aulia will this be resolved with v20? And when will it come out

[@robdido4960]

I just built a very similar computer. Used a Ryzen 7 2700, 8 cores 3.2(boosted to 4.1)for the same price, if not a little cheaper than the 3600. The case used was the NZXT h500 which is the one in the description but not the video. The case has a top fan but no front fans but is also about $80 cheaper than the one in the video(H510), so you could buy fans if you wanted some in front. Also the h500 has two type A usb on top with separate headphone and mic jacks. I saw in the comments that there are issues with the b450 and the 3600, I used an x470 board for about $15 more but i don't know if the x470 would have the same problems with the 3600, but my 2700 worked perfectly. The final total was around $1000, with the 212 cooler and runs great (Same ram, gpu, power supply, and ssd).

[@justinc2633]

why do you say we need at *least* 3600mhz ram? the difference between 3000-3600 is next to nothing but the price is like 35$

[@masonite6450]

Yeah, techdeals did a video and found that 3200 is the sweet spot. 3600 isn't even really better and 3000 was only slightly worse.

[@questionyourself718]

in my country its a 80 euro difference

[@matsigh]

If you want to do a pro-gamer move you can get 3000 MHz and pray it runs stable at 3200 MHz, that's what I did. I have the GSkill Ares 3000 MHz kit with my 1700X.

[@MrInstinctGamer]

@BobsYourUncle Didn't they fix that? I vaguely remember LTT releasing a video about 3rd gen ryzen where they went in-depth on the improvements. I do think there's a slight difference still but its essentially negligible at this point. That or they talked about how memory has gone down in price so it doesn't matter anymore IDR

[@malvend4728]

I bought 2666mhz ram and then oc it to 3200mhz. No problem at all.

[@remyboyzz399]

In late 2019, this comes around to about $1,050. However this was with the 3600X and H510 elite. With the 3600, the build is about $30 cheaper. If you find parts on sale, use cheaper parts, or use used parts, it will be able to reach the $950 price tag.

[@MegaMoha96]

Bang for the buck with the h510 elite ?? Are you serious ?

[@rotsec]

Yes why?

[@rizzy6087]

Because it looks cool

[@AlexCreemers]

Yeah, i got a 3600x. B450 Tomahawk did have problems. It wouldnt boot nine out of ten times. Bought a Gigabyte X570, works like a champ. Spread the word brother!

[@xxzmk]

Lol bang for the buck, using the x version of r5 3600 which doesnt make any sense

[@MrAknur]

SeikoFPS its way better than 3600, cuz you cant OC 3rd gen ryzens

[@mmcgear4376]

youll get the better stock cooler

[@MrAknur]

Muy McGear 20$ cost of the even better cooler than any ryzen stock cooler

[@mmcgear4376]

@@MrAknur i doubt that, why would i buy a cooler if im not even gonna oc it, the x series has the best stock coolers and thats enough for me no need to spend extra

[@xxzmk]

@@mmcgear4376"spend extra", so you want to buy yourself a cpu and pay 50$ extra for a not even 15$ worth stock cooler that performs worse than a quad piped 17$ aliexpress cooler, damn boy i guess you´re one of a lazy dude.

[@zqs1850]

Many good pointers mentioned in the video. Thanks.

[@Lsrv]

does anyone know when third party 5700 XT will be coming out waiting to build my first pc but waiting for the right GPU

[@hleyuan]

Mid August for Asrock

[@TwistedxGamer101]

Just ordered my parts with a very similar build except I'm using an x570 board which is a little more expensive. Got my Ryzen 5 3600 with an aftermarket cooler that I plan on giving a nice overclocking paired with an RTX 2070. Should be a hella of a good build! Glad I caught this video. Should be a beast of a build. All around it was about $1300!

[@TekGriffon]

Reading the comments here, it's clear this was NOT a good motherboard recommendation. The content creator leaving the video ending with a failure to post light and not making ANY effort to explain or clarify the issue in the video or in the comments makes me seriously doubt the ethics and competence of this channel.

[@phalanger1]

I guess this doesn't affect everyone but it did affect me and many others; the b450 tomahawk doesn't have very good compatibility with Ryzen 3000. I had to return mine because after the first succesful boost, it wouldn't POST anymore no matter what. Pretty common if you google for that issue. Also the bios on these boards is stripped down in order to attempt to support these CPU's. I can't really recommend the combination

[@chrisr6950]

bang for the buck with a h510 elite ye ok buddy. also swap out the 3600x for a 3600 and then the 5700 for a 5700xt, come on man!

[@l2x6tense]

i believe 5700 xt or not, blower style, not good overall i would rather go with 2070S but would wait litle longer because 5800 is around the corner

[@Mr.DinosaurPD]

Goodluck with airflow with this case

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

Bang for the buck: 3600x H510 Elite u wot m8?

[@andrewlittleton7837]

I think he only used the Elite case since that's what NZXT gave him. He said in the beginning he'd recommend the standard H510.

[@galaxywolf4895]

The B450 Tomahawk now has a MAX version that supports Ryzen 3rd Gen out of the box and is less than $5 more.

[@Catalina._]

> "Bang for your buck build" > **Uses 3600X instead of 3600**

[@menn4h]

Agreed, 50 quid extra for an X? Not worth it. Better off keeping that 50 in your pocket or splurge on better air cooler, GPU or case

[@michaelellams9105]

@@menn4hAnd he did mention that in his intro.

[@michaelellams9105]

@@menn4h Around the 1 minute mark he did mention getting the 3600 with an after market cooler.

[@lflyr6287]

Pauls Hardware : man those Ryzen 3000 series cpu-s really perform superbly. A beautiful little Monster Ryzen build you did here :-).

[@yahallo4423]

is nvme just $10 more than its sata counterpart? really? is this the future? xD

[@bakedveal2624]

My thoughts as well

[@hansenlechler4305]

Saw "Bang for the Buck." Came to bitch about "X" CPU variant and "Elite" case edition, but first minute of the video and links in description clarified all that. Great build recommendation. 👍👍👍

[@chuckthomas1872]

How is it bang for buck with an X model chip..

[@collinshumway9506]

Because the ppd is excellent

[@speednstyle]

Sweet really cant wait for testing as I'm interested in seeing how this board performs

[@StarsMarsRadio]

Get a better spinning platform dude. You spent good money on audio and video gear, but using a $15 cake stand you stole from your kitchen.

[@acm1345]

People commenting before watching the video, he covers the 3600/3600x discussion, and why he is using the 3600x for this video. He also talks about using a cheaper case, just look at the description and which parts hes listed!

[@Fleetfoot]

"BANG FOR THE BUCK" - Uses 3600X lel

[@krya3461]

Rainbow Dashie “bang for the buck 3600x build” and it is a great cpu for a pretty decent price

[@MIshelKvit]

@@krya3461 the 3600 is worth alot more as they are almost identical if youre not using a 2080ti

[@ReaLLyTaLLLuCas]

@@krya3461 3600 is cheaper for the same performance

[@benderbotx]

@@ReaLLyTaLLLuCas 3600X was $5 more than the base chip on Black Friday, so expect to see the X more in upcoming videos.

[@hartsickdisciple]

I recently bought the R5 3600, and it's amazing. I've used CM Hyper 212s in a couple of other builds, and they're good. That said, I think the best bang for the buck cooler right now is the Thermaltake Contac Silent 12. It's slightly shorter than the Hyper 212, cools damn near as well, is quieter, and costs $23-24. I put one on my 3600, and it's a massive upgrade over the Wraith Stealth.

[@colevano]

That H510 Elite barely counts as bang for the buck, imo

[@juuzousuzuya654]

I was thinking that too!

[@TheSjuris]

Juuzou Suzuya it does when you are given one to review. He mentioned it in the video also.

[@Nightfighter82]

Microcenter is doing bundles if you live near one. 50 dollars off any motherboard with a Ryzen 3000 processor, 30 dollars off a motherboard for a 2000 processor. Got a Gigabyte X570 Gaming X Motherboard for 119 w the discount. The Tomahawk B450 is 114 before discount.