My Controversial Vegan Opinions

[@melissathomas2994]

Dont feed a cat a vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores and it is cruel to force them to your own moral beliefs. Simple fix: dont get a cat. There are plenty of herbivores that need rescuing too: rabbits, guinea pigs, etc.

[@mairzydoats4879]

And rabbit manure is gold for plants.

[@PhoenixRising87]

I'm adopting a cat once I move out, and I will feed them meat; I think lab-grown meat could eventually be a solution. Vegan pets like rabbits and guinea pigs are actually a lot of work to care for, and I'm disabled, so I think a cat is my better option.

[@WolfieRAWKs]

This is absolutely correct. Cats cannot live a healthy life eating a vegan or vegetarian diet, period. By forcing a cat to be vegan, you're engaging in the very practices in which you, as a vegan, are trying to not participate. It's a special kind of cruelty to slowly kill a cat by depriving it of what it needs to live.

[@TetiH]

Dogs don't do too well on vegan diets either, they're omnivores but are not supposed to eat just grass and grains. People need to follow their vet's recommendations how to feed their animal or just re-home it if it doesn't fit their current lifestyle. As dog and bird owner, birds are also cool af, technically omnivores but they strive on a herbivore diet unlike dogs.

[@sallys.2707]

Exact. Also, you are exposing yourself to a lot of angriness from your cat. My ex and I once gave our cat vegan food from a German brand because we didn't check. Boy. I learned the hard way that cats bite REALLY HARD when they are hungry

[@bbcreamppappappalipstickmm610]

My parents own a few chickens in their backyard, and like my grandparents, they don't throw away the shells. The eggshells are collected and then fed to the chickens. It is also important that the shells are heated and chrushed up so that the chickens do not notice that they used to be their own eggs, which could then possibly lead to them destroying their own eggs

[@beanythompson1460]

We do the same things I am allergic to a protien in eggs now so I cant eat them but my partner does and it's good knowing that we arent contributing to the suffering of egg laying chickens in factories

[@Theelderscrolls52]

I eat eggs from family friends hens! They had a neighbor who had hens and they got too old to care for them. I get eggs from the hens and they live with this amazing family who absolutely loves them! They do something similar. The hens are super well cared for! ❤️❤️❤️

[@smellmycoffee]

As long as the chicken food they are being fed is high quality and has enough calcium in it, there's really no need to do this. It's not easily absorbed from the shells either.

[@ONeill01]

@@Theelderscrolls52 You're using animals as a means to an end

[@sarahschouveller1993]

Or you can also buy shells at the feed store that are especially for chickens to eat.

[@mikki_s1100]

Cats literally CANT be vegan. We aren’t saying to feed them meat because it’s “natural” we are saying that because they are obligate carnivores. They MUST have meat. If you want a vegan pet, don’t get a cat.

[@mistyfying7729]

I don't disagree with your comment, but Swayze has said that is part of the reason she's never getting another cat. It sounds like her version of a "vegan cat diet" is in vitro meat, which would absolutely meat (buh-duh-tshhh) the nutritional needs of a cat. (:

[@mikki_s1100]

@@mistyfying7729 yes! I hope in the future there is clean meat cat and dog food. I think she said in a video a bit back there’s a brand working on clean meat dog treats? But she did recommend vegan cat food or mostly grain cat food. Neither of which are good for cats.

[@mistyfying7729]

@@mikki_s1100 You're totally right--that is something I don't agree with UV about. Ever vet I've ever spoken with has said that dry food is basically junk food to cats. I try to feed my kitty mostly fish-based wet food, but she's a picky little jerk sometimes, haha.

[@martaso643]

I know some people who own vegan cats and they are as healthy as other cats I know. I was also surprised as I thought cats couldnt be vegan, but apparently they can if the food is appropriate.

[@mikki_s1100]

@@martaso643 anecdotal evidence doesn’t change the reality that cats can’t be vegan. They may look fine now, but being vegan is not safe for cats. Short term or long term. I’m glad there cats are currently doing ok, but cats can’t be vegan safely. There is no appropriate cat food that is vegan. Because cats are obligate carnivores and require meat to have a properly balanced diet

[@beanies5102]

I usually agree with you, but I really can't get behind feeding cats a vegan diet, or even dogs. I would never. One of the major principals of Veganism is not forcing human selfishness on animals. Feeding them a diet, that is yes, unnatural for them- is a prime example of humans forcing their "selfishness" on a non-consenting being. It's one thing for you to personally consent to a different lifestyle, but forcing that on your pet, a pet that is completely reliant on you, is cruel.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

? She wasn't saying that you should feed cats a vegan diet, and her point with dogs is that you have to be very careful. More broadly though, Food is ultimately just chemistry - if you _could_ theoretically meet the nutritional needs of a cat or a dog without meat, that would be great, it's just practically difficult to do. 'Naturalness' is completely irrelevant - as long as it tastes good, I doubt the cat or dog would care. What matters is whether they are happy and healthy, not whether they are meeting a natural purity test. - That said, personally, my solution is to either not have a pet or get a herbavore.

[@davidthescottishvegan]

@@merrymachiavelli2041 I don't have a pet and 100% agree with your comments.

[@lrtb19]

Get a rabbit if you want to feed your pet vegan.

[@tanjao.4312]

Agreed!

[@chinoto1]

If you're going to go that far, then what about forcing your need for companionship on an animal that can't consent to being stuck in your house? I would actually agree that vegans shouldn't own* pets, but that's way down the totem pole for me. *Or however you like to phrase it. If we disregard that and cats can do fine eating plant-based food, then why support the exploitation of several other animal to avoid "forcing our selfishness" onto another? Sort of like the trolley problem, except no one dies.

[@darnielladd6131]

Vet student here currently taking an intro nutrition course. Cats are *obligate carnivores* meaning they need to eat meat. It is *not an option* for them to be on any other diet. Dogs are *omnivores* (or sometimes labelled as non-obligate carnivores because they need more meat than some other omnivores like humans). However, *if a dog is sick they need to be on a carnivore diet* because any other diet just won't cut it. I think this is very important to know because a lot of people think dogs are the same as humans and will do perfectly fine on a vegan diet but they still require a lot more protein than humans and there are certain essential nutrients dogs need to survive that are very difficult to get if they are not eating animal products. There's a reason why there are no vet-approved vegan diets. If you are adamant about having your dog be vegan, you need to talk to a vet nutritionist and you have most likely have to add supplements to their diet or else it could cause some serious harm down the line and be sure to look for brands that say "complete and balanced". This means it has been tested and deemed a balanced diet by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO). Edit: there are many diets I've seen, homemade or manufactured that are seriously concerning and dangerous due to the lack of essential nutrients (essential meaning they NEED it to survive!!)

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

I'm glad someone brought up cats being obligate carnivores. Refusing a diet with the meat cats literally need to survive is abuse. It is NOT OPTIONAL.

[@darnielladd6131]

@Rachel Ny It is AAFCO verified because they contain all the essential amino acids listed by the AAFCO. This is one of the better brands of dog food that do not contain any meat.

[@LizzPrilope]

" obligate carnivore" is a statement about natural occurring nutrition. It simply means no homemade combination of vegetables and grains will be nutritionally adequate or healthy. this does not mean that an industrially produce, nutritionally fortified vegan food is not possible. Current information would indicate things like adding chemically produced taurine, and removing compounds responsible for urine acidification and kidney stone formation. This is certainly very feasible with modern nutritional science, it is simply that the profit motivated market dynamics prevents their existence . She very clearly states they are obligate carnivore in the video. You are not providing her with new information.

[@ONeill01]

@@LizzPrilope Bingo common sense here

[@tinyfluff8152]

@@LizzPrilope 👍 She also has a video on her late cat's diet.

[@sarahc4194]

I've never understood this argument because a human can eat an egg from a backyard chicken and then....give the shell back.... They only want the shells and that's not the part humans eat.

[@DiMagnolia]

Same lmao it’s such a strange argument to me

[@thatsalt1560]

They do eat the entire egg. My inlaws had hens for many years, and most of the time the hens didn't touch their eggs, but then, maybe because an egg broke and a hen decided to taste it and found it yummy, they started attacking every egg they could come across. Those little ladies have no ethics what so ever.

[@andyrevan]

@@thatsalt1560 the majority of animal species don't have ethics. A buck deer will eat bones, baby birds, and any little animal they can fit in their mouths when they are growing antlers.

[@zanahorialove9026]

I just volunteered at a farm with a lot of chickens and they do eat the entire egg, they even LOVE it. Once the egg is broken it goes from "protect this precious offspring at all cost" to "EAT IT" in a second. These chickens often also did not eat the egg shells completely, maybe because they had enough from the grass and the feed.

[@bigchicken5243]

chicken will eat everything you give them.. relatives (this is long ago, i was relatively young) gave their chicken the rest of dinner.. fish, bones, veggies..

[@zabilimniewczoraj]

My controversial opinion: Feeding a cat a vegan diet is as unethical as eating a cat.

[@ganasde65]

Eating a cat would be better since the death would be quicker. Also you’re saving hundreds of farm animals that have to die to feed your cat

[@girlypop90]

@@ganasde65 a cat does not eat hundreds of animals in its life bro, how much you think a 10 pound cat eats in a lifetime

[@KattReen]

@@girlypop90 it depends on the source of the protein. If you're giving them food with chicken protein I don't think it's a stretch to claim hundreds of animals died to keep the cat alive during it's lifetime. And outdoor cat will also additionally kill a lot of wildlife(for sport, mostly). My dad had a cat that would kill atleast 4-5 birds a week(that's atleast how many he brought into the house), so that's not just hundreds of animals in it's life, it's hundreds of animals in a year.

[@Author.Noelle.Alexandria]

@@girlypop90 I'd like to introduce you to my cats, who kill and eat voles. One of them ate a bunny earlier this year. Found Ares gladly chomping away at a headless bunny on the stairs.

[@girlypop90]

@MdoubleHB duh

[@1TheKamil1]

If you want a vegan pet get a rabbit or a hamster. Cats shouldn't eat grain and their diet should be 95% meat.

[@hollybailey2200]

Hamsters are actually omnivorous so they need animal protein like meal worms or even egg. Just mentioning :) x

[@PhoenixRising87]

@@hollybailey2200 Guinea pigs are vegan. Their diet should be about 85% hay and 15% fresh vegetables (greens, carrots, peppers, whatever they like).

[@mollyoxy]

Hamsters need additional sources of protein because even the best hamster foods aren’t high enough in protein for them. Meal worms and crickets are usually needed.

[@1TheKamil1]

​@@mollyoxy I knew hamsters can eat insects etc. but I didn't know they actually needed it. I think the hamster that I had at 12 ate a vegan diet sadly.

[@fayebaker3378]

I dont agree with this notion that us vegans are hypocrites if we adopt carnivorous animals. Whilst handling meat for them is gross someone else is going to be feeding them that anyway. They are already alive and in the world, nothing wrong with having them as a companion and doing what you can to reduce adding to any other beings suffering to feed said animal. Obviously always spay and neuter.

[@leonkande1996]

Grain is not really healthy for cats, just as animal byproducts. They actually need food with high percentage of actual meat (muscle n stuff). Raw meat and supplements is the best option of feeding them.

[@leonkande1996]

This is no hate, but if you feel like you won't be able to feed a cat in a way that will fullfil their needs because of being vegan, then maybe don't get a cat. Rabbits, rats are great pets too and are thriving on a herbivore diet 🖤

[@AlienZizi]

@@leonkande1996 this is how i feel. if there is even a chance that your pet will suffer, i dont understand why a vegan would still choose to get that pet. you literally dont have to. its completely avoidable. 😔

[@KattReen]

"Grain free" is more of a (very successful) marketing term than anything when it comes to pet food, because the data is really lacking. There's no reliable evidence that shows that a diet void of grains would be better for dogs or cats. What's important is that it's a well nutritionally balanced food and that your cat is getting enough water(sometimes not the case if they get dry food). I'll of course remain skeptical towards vegan catfood until the day there is data that proves it's fine, but I don't think you need to worry about there being a little bit of grain in the pet food.

[@leonkande1996]

@@KattReen A good cat food shouldn't contain any grain, as it serves no nutritional value for cats. Meat, small amount of veggies, maybe herbs. Grain is cheap and is used as a filler in cat foods. Cats are obligate carnivores, they're not able to fully digest grain. Additionally, it can cause obesity, diabetes, liver and kidney failure in kitties. Dogs on the other hand, are omnivores so they can digest grain and vegetables better than cats; but still, high percentage of grain is not beneficial, it should be an addition, not the base of the kibble/wet food.

[@bbiancaec]

"Are all “by-products” bad? Not at all, in fact, we eat them! By definition and regulation, by-products are the non-meat parts of chicken, beef, pork, etc. after the meat has been removed. However, by-products are NOT feathers, beaks, fur hooves, or teeth. Examples include animal fats and clean internal organs - pork, chicken, and beef liver, heart and kidneys. All these items have nutritious value and are often preferred over muscle meat by animals. Other examples are treats we commonly give our pets - bully sticks, raw hides, pig’s ears, cow hooves, trachea, and lamb lung. By-products are a valuable source of energy, vitamins, and minerals. And while it may sound good to feed your pet a meat-only diet, muscle meat alone is deficient in many nutrients, which could lead to poor growth, bone fractures, and loose teeth."

[@My4InnerPeople]

I love you but please don’t promote cats on a vegan diet. They aren’t just ‘carnivores’ they are OBLIGATE carnivores, they suffer on vegan diets

[@Wooplot]

she didn't tho lol

[@alyssao146]

I think she was saying we should eventually find an alternative like lab grown meat.

[@DiMagnolia]

I know you are on board with this one but it’s very unpopular overall: “imperfect” veganism is better than trying to gatekeep with the bullshit all or nothing mentality. I had always been afraid to go vegan because it seemed so overwhelming and strict until I found your channel. I eat vegan 99% of the time but hell sometimes I just want some really tasty cheese or I want to enjoy visiting grandma without having to police everything she cooked for us. It’s really frustrating when people are assholes and shame you for that instead of encouraging the positive shifts you DO make. Anytime a friend says “I’d love to go vegan but I just can’t give up steak” or whatever their specific thing is: I say then don’t give it up! Eat vegan the rest of the time, just have steak every once in a while, it’s better than nothing at all. We should promote progress over “perfection”

[@jess-tu6jc]

Agreed. I'm not vegan for a few reasons, but this is a huge one for a lot of people. The gatekeeping pushes people away. The online vegan community can be so harsh to each other and it can make them look absolutely insane to outsiders.

[@ONeill01]

Why cant you call yourself plant based since it suits your values better?

[@Insightfill]

I'm with you. I've been "mostly vegan" for the past 20 years; I can't do lactose and just don't "want" to eat a cooked egg, but am OK about the occasional pastry. However: when someone needs "a word" to figure out which meal I'm getting on a plane, or when looking for a symbol on a menu, I don't have a lot of time/space for nuance. So: I say "vegan" when asked because it's the word that best encapsulates what my dietary choice is like so that the waiter doesn't bring back a plate of cheese and scrambled eggs.

[@user-bc4es6uq8m]

THIS !! i only became plant based because i started off by telling myself “i’ll cut all animal products out except a few select things” and eventually i just ended up cutting everything out. the only way i’d still make an exception is if i travel to a place where eating vegan is near impossible, or if the eggs are from backyard hens that i know are treated well. the whole “strict/perfect vegan” image was what kept me from making the change for so long

[@galacticgardevoir9496]

I totally agree with you, it's so much more ethical and sustainable for 100 people to be plant-based than for 10 people to be completely vegan. Not to mention the vegan community is toxic as hell, I've found plant-based communities to be a lot less combative and easier to get along with

[@KatKomodo]

I was with you until you said cats (OBLIGATE CARNIVORES) should be vegan. They physically cannot. If you feed a cat a vegan diet, it’s literally animal abuse.

[@charlotteanderson7761]

100% agree.

[@musiclover86931]

Hi, a vegan vet student here. Don't feed cats and dogs a vegan diet. Their health shouldn't suffer because of your moral values. Just don't adopt carnivor animals, if you're not planning to feed them a proper diet for them. Thanks

[@f.r.821]

Even though I agree with your argument, I'd like to point out that there's a difference between cats and dogs. Cats are carnivorous, dogs are omnivorous animals. Therefore dogs *can* be fed vegan dog food and still thrive (doesn't mean they should necessarily), cats can't and shouldn't be fed in a vegan way, as it would harm them. However, I do believe that this is absolutely secondary when it comes to veganism. I personally think it's perfectly fine to live a vegan lifestyle and still own (adopt!) animals that are omnivorous and fed them appropriately. :)

[@musiclover86931]

@@f.r.821 Sure, I agree, some dogs can live on a vegan diet, but there are to many cases of this scenario going wrong. Yes, their diet has changed through a process of domestification, so they need less protein than for example cats, but they still lean more to the carnivore side.

[@lone6718]

@@f.r.821 if you took the raw vegetables and fed them to the dogs you wouldn’t find them doing great on a vegan diet. It needs master manipulation for it to work. Meanwhile you could cook a cheap and simple meal for your dog using 2 items...rice and chicken. And they can easily digest it, it’s filling, and satisfying.

[@f.r.821]

@@lone6718 Vegan doesn't equal raw! :) As I said, I wouldn't recommend it, but it's possible. You can cook vegan meals for your dogs (small amounts of lentils or chickpeas with the rice instead of chicken for instance). Most of them love raw vegetables but not all types are adequate and they should only be fed as snacks, not meals.

[@eeng17]

What about cell-grown meat?

[@thepkism]

I personally like the white background. It’s simple and clean.

[@TheTabby03]

And now I've got Utada Hikaru's song Simple and Clean playing in my head 😅💕

[@Jasper.Rose99]

I had about 30 chickens at one point and none of them ate their eggs ever. This is just my experience.

[@hannahfox5422]

I've had many in my life too, and I've never seen them eat a shell either.

[@PhoenixRising87]

Having chickens someday would be cool...I'd just give their eggs away to my neighbors (and my parents, if they were nice).

[@Jasper.Rose99]

@@PhoenixRising87 Aw that’s sweet. I can’t eat the egg yolk at all. I’m completely allergic to that part but I am able to eat the egg white. This was back when I had many animals. I would use The egg for baking as well, I wouldn’t eat the yolk though. Not just bc I’m allergic but also the amount of cholesterol in the yolk. The egg whites don’t have any at all, which is pretty cool .

[@beautyandtech1515]

@@PhoenixRising87 my Mum has kept chickens for years and years and is always giving them away to people. It’s one of the good things about the allotment community, they’re swapping veg, salad and eggs among each other all the time Not sure if allotments are a British thing, I’ve applied for one myself but there’s a long waiting list in my area.

[@Almost_Infinite]

Emrosecreates so, my aunt has a squab farm and it's so interesting this comes up because they supplement the pigeons with shells for something. But I've never seen them eat their own eggs

[@Uneclipsed]

Okay, true, just because something is natural doesn't mean it's okay or necessarily healthy, but in a scientific context, cats need taurine--an amino acid they cannot produce--which is something they only get through eating. Taurine is only found in animals, specifically organ meat. Birds, mice, and rabbits are all high in taurine. There is no plant source for taurine. All cat food should be supplemented with taurine. As far as protein goes, cats do not absorb plant proteins efficiently, and legumes often cause GI issues in cats. You as a human vegan person get to decide what to eat and what supplements to take. Cats do not get a choice. Feeding your cat a vegan diet is dooming them to a short, malnourished life, which is cruel. It's not just about natural vs. unnatural with cats. If you cannot justify feeding your cat what it needs to be healthy because our pet food industry is messed up then just like, don't have a cat. I don't know why this is so hard.

[@jacobcarmen5861]

Cat food *is* supplemented with taurine, because contrary to what you wrote, taurine is easily synthesized from totally vegan sources. It is completely possible to feed a cat a healthy 'vegan' diet *IN PRINCIPLE*, which is exactly what she said in the video. In practice, the vegan cat food brands that are available are small batch, inconsistent, and suspect, and it is known that some (specifically male) cats suffer from urinary tract diseases as a result of the alkalinity in such diets. Therefore, as she says in the video, she does NOT recommend that cats are fed a vegan diet. She would not do that. When she had a cat, she did not do that. She hopes that future developments in in vitro meat production will lead to the possibility of a practical, safe, and healthy vegan diet for cats. I don't know why this is so hard.

[@rosieq.8713]

Most veterinarians wouldn’t recommend a vegan diets for cats, simply because there hasn’t been enough research done to completely say yes, but would absolutely recommend a vegan diet for dogs as long as it’s a well balanced diet. Taurine can be found in both animals and plants. But if you really want to change a diet of a pet speak to Veterinarians, if you express hey I don’t trust the food that are sold in the store, they can help you with a homemade diet that will allow your pet to thrive. At the same time you should do your research, to see if that’s what you really want. Never change it just because someone told you to change it.

[@Swaggdub]

@@rosieq.8713 taurine is not found in plants this is completely false. just do a quick google search. this is synthetic taurine but filling a vegan cat food with fake synthetic nutrition will still not allow the animal to thrive

[@rosieq.8713]

@@Swaggdub it is, look it up. Plus I didn’t say anything about feeding a cat a vegan diet, if you read my full comment I clearly stated most veterinarian DON’T recommend it. But WOULD recommend a vegan diet to dogs as long as it’s a well balanced. So before you go crazy on someone you should read the whole comment, and understand it, you know reading comprehension.

[@mandys2021]

Great comment, thank you! I see all these people saying “FEdiNg CaTs VeGAn iS AbUSivE CAuSe tHeY ArE cArnIvoReS” without actually giving the biological breakdown about the nutrients, which is what matters at the end of the day. Not what their great ancestors did in nature... But actually most commercial pet foods are made from leftover animal parts from meat production so it’s not really as much of an issue with the industry as people think it is.

[@tarabrightstar]

Feeding your cat vegan or mainly grains is just abusive. If you care for your pet than give it the proper food.

[@beautyforashes2230]

I had to remove my "like" because you honestly think cats, obligate carnivores, can be fed a vegan diet. Cats can't even assimilate grains and other plant foods! FFS people, if you want a vegan animal, get a rabbit and not a dog, and especially not a cat. Else don't give me any of your hypocrisy about "cruelty to animals" when you do your own pet unnecessary harm. Also, isn't the vegan creed saying to do no UNNECESSARY harm to animals? Well if you have a cat, harm to other animals is a necessity, so buck up and feed your pet a diet that meets their needs. Or don't have a cat. See how easy that is?

[@mairzydoats4879]

I didn't catch that but I could have missed it. It would be kinda weird considering she has so many videos about why she fed her cats regular food and that the best alternative will probably bee lab grown meat.

[@beautyforashes2230]

@@mairzydoats4879 She admitted to feeding her cat Friskies or some crap that was mostly grain-based. Cats can't even assimilate grains or other plant matter; it's like feeding your kid a diet consisting of mainly cardboard and then defending it because there was a little broccoli and a couple beans mixed in. Maybe there will be lab-grown meat one day, but for cats it'd have to be specially formulated since they won't thrive on pure muscle meat either. But we'll see what the future holds! I may not eat meat or animal products, but my cats do because I'm responsible for giving them an adequate diet. If I wasn't okay with that, I wouldn't have cats.

[@mairzydoats4879]

@@beautyforashes2230 I agree.

[@beautyforashes2230]

@@mairzydoats4879 ❤️️

[@PhoenixRising87]

Agreed. For me, it's like my need to take medication that's tested on animals for my depression and chronic pain so I can function. Though I think lab-grown meat could progress enough to be used in pet food brands.

[@nicolamira12]

I really like your videos and agree with you on many topics BUT the cat things is really really bad. Please don’t tell people to feed cats low quality food. It’s awful for their health, you are putting them at risk of obesity, kidney failure and protein deficiency. Cats have short digestive system so feeding them grains is basically letting them starve because they are not able to digest any of the food (other than the animal byproducts) properly. Cats are not vegan and shouldn’t be forced to, don’t get a cat if you want to mistreat it like that, there are plenty of herbivorous animals you can keep as a pet.

[@patchouli1500]

I fed my dog a vegan food (from an online vegan store) and she ended up with a massive stone in her blader because it stuffed up her ph level. She had to have surgery to remove it 😢 felt so bad

[@rosieq.8713]

That sucks, did your dog have a speedy recovery? 😢 What brand of food was it. If you don’t mind me asking.

[@patchouli1500]

@@rosieq.8713 It took her a while because it was her bladder. And shes only a miniature poodle so shes not very robust. We got her long before going vegan, and when we did I thought I would just get her vegan dog food. But I think it really wasnt the best idea in hindsight. The dog food was called addiction zen

[@rosieq.8713]

@@patchouli1500 aww it sucks, I don’t know what I would’ve done in your position.

[@notthefather3919]

Stop feeding carnivores vegan food!

[@kulata]

Animal cruelty. Forcing your ideology on an animal that is naturally carnivore. Did you seek consent before stuffing plants down the dog's bladder?

[@chicken2jail]

"If I do a response video, it'll do better". Kale Seitan has entered the chat.

[@jennoscura2381]

The meme will never die. LOL

[@esotericsun6844]

If something is a carnivore..you can't just "change the diet." Obligate or "true" carnivores are those whose diet requires nutrients found only in animal flesh. While obligate carnivores might be able to ingest small amounts of plant matter, they lack the necessary physiology required to fully digest it. Why BIG CATS eat meat like lions, tigers, etc. It would be like feeding deer meat and expecting them to "change" their diet. A herbivore is an animal that gets its energy from eating plants, and only plants. Omnivores can also eat parts of plants, but generally only the fruits and vegetables produced by fruit-bearing plants. Many herbivores have special digestive systems that let them digest all kinds of plants, including grasses. Please do research and understand. An omnivore (/ˈɒmnɪvɔːr/) is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter. Obtaining energy and nutrients from plant and animal matter, omnivores digest carbohydrates, protein, fat, and fiber, and metabolize the nutrients and energy of the sources absorbed. Like bears for example. So no. You can't change something from being a carnivore to a herbivore. They are born and are design that way, don't vegan a cat. If people are for animals then why on earth would you vegan a cat when it's a carnivore and they can only get nutrient from animals. Isn't the animal abuse? Yes because you can't make carnivore vegan without killing them. I hate vegans who do this because it shows they do it for own selfish beliefs of WHAT ANIMALS should be and don't care for actual animals. I love snakes but I would never own one because I couldn't feed it mice/rats and it would be so selfish of me to force them to eat fruits.

[@hantingchen5497]

I suggest watching her actual videos on these topics and you will see she does not support veganizing a cat. Even in this video, she explicitly states cats are carnivores and we should strive to choose better choices such as lab grown meat.

[@mariajoseibanez3083]

my unpopular opinion is that i don't like when vegan "equate" animal rights issues with racism or sexism or other human rights problems, i get that it is "helpful" to paint a picture of how bad it is or how we feel about it, but it is just NOT the same, and equating problems of race with animals... yikes, no thank you

[@ladonnam]

1000000000000000000% agreed

[@AlienZizi]

yes some vegans seriously think animals and humans are equally valuable. just no. both are important and separate issues but if your house is on fire you wont be putting out the dog house first

[@Olivetree80]

Nobody equates them, people make comparisons, it's just for the sake of understanding the philosophy.

[@jupoawp]

@@Olivetree80 thank you! it's not saying they're equivelant, but ethics isn't any different because it's at a smaller scale. smaller harms are bad and should be avoided just like bigger harms, even if bigger harms are bigger.

[@dontnoable]

I feel human animals and nonhuman animals are equal. But that doesn't mean go be a moron co-opting the Black civil rights movements to highlight the plight if nonhuman animals, or comparisons to the holocaust. These comparisons cause harm and should be avoided. Agreed!

[@lushpapaya9932]

Feeding your cat a grain product is cruel af. you can take your moral superiority and shove it. You pushing your morals on animals being animals is soo entitleted I cant even.

[@beautyforashes2230]

I was shocked by that too.

[@charlotteanderson7761]

Me too honestly I couldn’t believe it.

[@Olivetree80]

OK but all dry cat food contains grains

[@Tyanna_Claire96]

@@Olivetree80 no. It absolutely does not. Only the cheap kinds do, you actually have to research the good brands available.. Also it's best to feed cats raw anyways

[@lone6718]

@@Olivetree80 if you’re only buying what’s available cheap in a grocery store, then yeah, it’s shit. But most cat food, in general, is richer in fats and with less veg then dog foods. There are no peas, carrots or potatoes in my cat’s food, not that she would eat it anyways. She does get blueberries and lots of raw goat’s milk.

[@kateknowsbetter]

The irony of feeding your carnivore cat a vegan diet, is animal abuse. So ironic.

[@hopetherespudding]

But she said she won't have a cat again so ??

[@kateknowsbetter]

@@hopetherespudding She never fed her cats vegan. My comment was towards vegans who feed their cats vegan.

[@ONeill01]

@@kateknowsbetter If a cat has all required nutrients found naturally then there is no issue

[@marycolleen537]

My controversial opinion is that honey is fine! The bees aren't hurt, they roam around freely, POLLENATE!!, and have a safe and protected place to live. They make over 3x the honey they need in a year. anyone who helps the bees is alright by me. I try to stay local too

[@kathrynlandis6563]

I have a friend whose dad keeps bees. As long as enough honey is left for them to survive it’s actually good for them to have the honey harvested! Look for fair trade or ethically sourced honey to ensure the bees aren’t harmed.

[@evelynbaron2004]

I agree; a huge problem is the global reduction of the bee population to pollinate etc. so anyone who keeps bees and eats a bit is not commiting a sin.

[@ONeill01]

Bees are exploited, literally are artificially seminated (the queen bee), smoked etc so not vegan. Your using animals as a means to an end = not vegan

[@marycolleen537]

@@ONeill01 honeybees are endangered and are susceptible to inbreeding depression, like any other endangered species. Artificial insemination creates more bees, genetically diverse bees, and bees that are immune to parasites that are destroying their populations. Part of the "means to an end" you're talking about it the literal survival of the species of the most important pollinators. I'm not saying abuse isn't possible but independant local bee keepers are helping the bees stay alive and stay resistant to the vera parasite (idk spelling, I'm doing this from memory lol). Another train of thought is that we evolved beside bees. We dont criticize bears for going to town on a honeycomb. And I don't think having a peaceful, mutually beneficial relationship with bees is evil. but hey, everyone has they're opinion and like Swazey said in her honey video, to each his own when it comes down to the minutia of vegan ethics. She's all about ending the gate keeping vibe of veganism

[@ONeill01]

@@marycolleen537 Commercial beekeeping is factory farming. Ergo bees are viewed as commodities, & are subjected to inherent cruelties of farming not vegan. Stop gatekeeping animal abuse and exploitation

[@ieuanhunt552]

Wait the fact that cats are obligate carnivores is controversial? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If you are vegan you should not have a pet cat.

[@mollyoxy]

Exactly. Adopt an animal that can be vegan like rabbits and guinea pigs if you really want a pet. If you have a cat and went vegan after, tough luck. Keep feeding your cat it’s normal meat based food.

[@charlotteanderson7761]

Yes! It makes me so sad to hear that people feed their cats and all plant diet. Honestly it is abuse.

[@sammclellan28]

The cats should be vegan take is really.. bad. I did not expect that from you

[@WolfieRAWKs]

Yeah, I was hoping that she would point out that cats CAN'T be vegan or vegetarian. Because she believes in science, as any reasonable person does, I'm hoping/trying to interpret what she said to mean that we should do what's in the cat's best interest, which is feeding them meat because they're obligate carnivores, but also continue to work towards large-scale production of lab-grown meat so that it becomes the more practical and ethical option.

[@beautyforashes2230]

I wasn't expecting such a thing either. But I doubt she even bothers to read these comments or stops to think. More and more I have a feeling nothing matters anymore besides a transitory and increasingly inspid YT channel.

[@jacobcarmen5861]

@@WolfieRAWKs That's exactly what she did say?

[@emmy11ification]

What cat food brand did you feed your cat? Also, no hate, but if a cat is literally biologically wired to eat a carnivorous diet, why is it moral to be them vegan? Wouldn’t it be more morally sound to feed them meat?

[@JennRighter]

She didn’t feed her cat vegan food. She has a video on it. She decided to not have another pet cat. She didn’t want to feed a cat vegan or not vegan. RIP Sniff.

[@skyhe5516]

@broccoli isn’t the whole vegan argument that humans aren’t meant to eat meat because it causes health and it isn’t natural . So why is all of a sudden that same track of knowledge can’t be used for animals . Cats eat animals .

[@skyhe5516]

@broccoli you think animals have morals ? You sound slightly selfish to think that a animal has the mental process to understand that eating a animal is wrong when they are genetically programmed to eat other animals . Go explain to a lion why it’s morally incorrect to eat animals .

[@danz9093]

@@skyhe5516 don't think they're saying that at all. Big difference between a lion in the wild and CHOOSING to have a pet that needs meat and therefore continuing the current demand for industrial farming practices. Other people have outlined elsewhere that apparently in some parts of the world it is possible to get fortified vegan cat foods that take care of all their nutritional needs. Whether you agree with broccoli's position is different, but what they're getting at is by choosing a pet that needs meat, you are, by default, continuing human demand for animal products rather than choosing a companion animal that can thrive on a plant-based diet (apparently some dog breeds are much more easy to adapt to a vegan diet than others). I assume their logic would be the same as having a pet snake... no problem with them I a natural ecosystem, but don't perpetuate the needless killing of animals by choosing that as a pet when other options are available.

[@alnklar]

I feel much more comfortable with a vegan kid than with a vegan cat though...

[@minesadab]

@@Hannable97 To be precise, cats need the nutrients found in meat, rather than the meat itself. There are a number of vegan cat foods on the market that are plant-based and fortified with all the essential nutrients that cats require (e.g taurine etc). In fact a lot of the mainstream kibbles are close to plant-based and fortified with the essential nutrients.

[@sunsundks3891]

@@minesadab yeah , that's why some people feed em RAW or stuff like that

[@tiia-liisakansakangas9569]

@@Hannable97 or a rabbit. I agree with you. I’ve struggled with this so much because I love cats and dogs so so much. I grew up with cats and dogs. I would never adopt cat now that I’m vegan or then adopt one and feed them nutrition they need (have not decided yet). Probably not gonna adopt either..

[@tiia-liisakansakangas9569]

@@minesadab I do not agree with you entirely.. the kibbles we have in Finland are probably not the best because we have now had 4 cats and two out of them have had kidney problems. Don’t know if it’s because of the kibbles but that could be one of the problems.

[@minesadab]

@@tiia-liisakansakangas9569 I adopted a cat from a shelter 3 years ago as a 2 month old kitten and she hasn't eaten meat since (except for a poor mouse that got into the house). I ensure her food is supplemented with all the essential nutrients she would normally get from meat and she is perfectly healthy, happy and full of life. Her favourite food is Benevo kibble which makes up 95% of her diet.

[@jocelynorenda888]

I have 5 chickens and 2 duckies and I’m vegan! 😄 they’re my little babies...I didn’t adopt them for the eggs, I just love them they’re so cute and silly. Every once in a while I’ll eat one of their eggs, I still think I’m vegan even then cause my girls just lay their eggs and abandon them (they don’t give a crap 😂). My chicken Nellie likes to sit on her eggs and nuzzle them so I don’t take hers away (until they start to get rotten..then I swap them out for fresh eggs and trick her into thinking she’s still sitting on the same eggs so she doesn’t feel bad). They free range in my whole front and back yard all day and sleep in a coop at night, so they’re happy girls they get sun and dirt and grass time. They USED to have free range of my whole neighborhood but they were terrorizing my neighbors garden 😂😂 Anyways, that was a long rant...I just thought someone might like to know what a good vegan situation can look like for chickens!

[@AlienZizi]

thats really cute i wish i was a bird so i could just be one of the girls 😂

[@peachoxo4099]

That's fine, but wouldn't it be better to give the eggs away to food banks or even just family/friends that aren't vegan?

[@jynnsomething4617]

@@peachoxo4099 Why? I don't think most food banks would take them. As far as giving them to friends/family goes, how is it more moral if other people eat the eggs instead of her?

[@peachoxo4099]

@@jynnsomething4617 Because it could prevent them from buying factory farmed eggs from shops. I'm not sure whether food banks would accept backyard eggs as I've never enquired was just a suggestion. Personally as an ethical vegan the thought of eating eggs makes me sick, but that's a personal thing I guess. Also there's many apps/sites that you can give away food on so there's a lot of options to go through if you're an ethical vegan with rescue hens that doesn't want to waste the eggs.

[@jynnsomething4617]

@@peachoxo4099 That's actually a very good point I hadn't considered.

[@smirbelbirbel]

My controversial vegan opinion: if it's second hand, it's fine. We should use what already exists. My even more controversial opinion: wool and leather are better for the environment than their plastic alternatives.

[@bbiancaec]

Are you sure? What would people do with all those animals required to produce leather and wool? They must be fed, hydrated, etc. Wouldn't that be a burden on the planet?

[@AlienZizi]

i don't know enough to for sure say that cats would be miserable on a meatless diet but I'm inclined to believe it. if you're vegan just please get an herbivore if you insist on having a pet ffs. its not worth potentially harming your pet.

[@6OceanSoul9]

True but usually what happens is someone decides to go vegan and already has dogs or cats

[@brendanmorin9935]

I also think it’s important to think about rescue animals! What if a vegan chooses to rescue a cat? What then? This is a really complicated issue- definitely not black or white

[@6OceanSoul9]

@@brendanmorin9935 I have a rescued cat and just feed it classic cat food. Vegan pet food is just too expensive.

[@MarcelRiegler]

So you did no research and still formed an opinion contrary to what you saw in this video? You're literally a carbon copy of the stereotypical meat eaters arguments.

[@AlienZizi]

​@@MarcelRiegler maybe some people can just disagree with you without being meat shills huh? if there is even a chance that your pet will not be happy with you i dont understand why you would still get that pet as a vegan.

[@LincolnClay98]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I hope you don't agree with feeding cats a vegan diet. It is literally animal cruelty, vegan gains hates his own cat. Omg she actually thinks it's not a bad idea, damn this world is coming to an end.

[@meio_feio]

You realise that you could have found out the answer by, y'know, watching the video.

[@evea.4358]

If it is properly fortified with everything they need to thrive, I don't see the issue.

[@Tea_princess]

Grain can cause cat some serious health problems like developing diabetes. Also cats aren't able to digest grains properly. Also eating only Animal organs by cats can make an imbalance in their micronutrients. I believe making cats fall ill because of your own dietery choices is unethical. I would consider giving rescued animals meat ok. If it bothers you, just don't own a cat, rabbit will suit you better. Maybe giving cat an insect meat would be a better option? Idk how it would be compatible with their diet though, I'm not animal dietician. Just both vegan and cat owner. Also, dog aren't the same as apes when it comes to being omnivores. Their diet should mostly consist of animal products with some additional plant food (also not grain, sorry).

[@SuperFosterMom]

Did you even watch the video

[@sparkieemae]

🙄 jfc who tf is feeding their cat just straight meat? They're house cats not tigers. Insect meat?? Like... is this the lion king?? No that's not good for an obligate carnivore. Cats can eat bugs but they are not insectivores so idk where you get off advising people to feed their carnivore pets bugs. I'm vegan and I feed my cats just like Swayze does. With normal cat food. Yes it has grains for filler with animal byproduct but it's formulated to meet a house cat's nutritional needs. Just choosing random meat for them is dangerous because you don't know if they're actually getting adequate taurine or other vital nutrients. I've had cats in my family live well into their 20s on a diet of Friskies kibble. Cat food is adequate for cats. DO NOT JUST WING IT AND FEED YOUR HOUSE CAT RANDOM BUGS AND MEAT. Jfc and we're supposed to be the "crazies". 🙄 Buy them regular cat food and if you have the funds offset that purchase with donations to companies working on invitro meat.

[@sparkieemae]

@@SuperFosterMom they did not.

[@Tea_princess]

@@sparkieemae actually i did watch it. Why do you think I didn't? (serious question) I don't say that you should feed your cats just bugs! I was thinking that maybe some research put to develop a cat food made of less developed animals could work, but it definetely needed to be checked! Giving cat just random meet isn't good, I know, you would need to do a proper BARF diet for them. One more point: actually not all cat foods are well balanced. Pretty much all market food avialable has not enough taurine. And grain is unnecessary filler bc it has no nutrition value for cats, and can cause harm, like i wrote before (diabetes). The fact that some cats have lived long while being fed a bad quality food is a anecdotal argument thus it doesn't proove anything really. Yeah, some might live long, but some will die due to deaseses because of bad diet. And rest assured, I'm feeding my cat grain free special cat food.

[@beautyforashes2230]

@@Tea_princess I completely agree with you, and yes, I did watch the video too. There are some insects that have adequate taurine to meet the nutritional needs of cats, but manufacturers are still looking into that. But right now, my cats get the best cat food I can find - meat-based and with no grain, soy or other cheap fillers they can't even assimilate. If I don't support cruelty to animals, it has to start at home. And I'm not abusing my cats by feeding them anything but the best diet for them.

[@egohrftw]

You can also give the shells back to the chickens to eat, which I’ve seen people do, I actually just saw this for the first time yesterday on a channel called simple Alaska living. If you don’t think a dog should be eating a non vegan diet don’t get a dog. I’m so glad you brought up allergies, I’ve been saying this for so long. The people who think the whole world should be vegan obviously don’t know anyone allergic to most if not all plant foods. Hannah Mcneely attempted this by excluding tree nuts from her recipe book(which I think is awesome) but in my experience I don’t know many people allergic to JUST tree nuts. It’s usually all legumes, and soy, if your allergy is severe. Thousands if not millions have this allergy, it’s one of the most common food allergies. Okay I’m done sorry I kept adding to this comment lol

[@shadowswallow]

My roommate was vegan due to the treatment of factory workers because she grew up in an undocumented community that served a meat processing plant and saw first hand how the workers were treated (then she had a bunch of health issues that caused a clinical protein deficiency... and now she’s swinging back to vegetarianism because her kidneys are failing and so she needs to be lower protein). And thanks for acknowledging those of us with health issues that make it impossible to be vegan. I have a lot of allergies (soy, peanuts, tree nuts, coconut, latex foods, etc) and am on a low fiber diet for medical reasons. I basically consume animal protein and simple carbohydrates. 😅 My partner is vegan and we’ve given up and just order delivery for our dates because it’s too difficult to find a recipe for something we can both eat. And that’s not even when we consider getting them a balanced meal...

[@Swaggdub]

cats and dogs cannot be vegan. it’s very disappointing seeing you promote low quality cat food and a vegan diet for a carnivore.

[@bluecovenalley]

she doesnt. watch her video on feeding cats and dogs a vegan diet

[@jaredfromhr2711]

When it comes to being ex-vegan myself (I want to preface that I was only vegan for a year and on and off for 3 years before then so some will probably argue that I wasn't vegan for long enough but what ever) I work in the food service industry and whenever I talk to vegan customers, I explain to them how to make any sort of drink vegan friendly and share the ingredients when they have concerns and when they ask why I know about what's vegan, I am genuinely nervous about telling them I used to be plant based. I went back to eating animal products because I've always had a bad history with food. I binge eat a lot and I easily can fixate on food and I have many trigger foods that can be brought up and I will be fixating on it for a week. Having a dietary restriction made that worse. Having this mental restriction really set me off as I would start going on quests to find what was the junk food I could have. I was more worried about which chips contained milk than I did about having a balanced diet. Almost all my trigger foods contained meat and sometimes I would drive up to chick-fil-a and order 4 chicken sandwiches 2 fries and 2 sweet teas because I didn't want them to think I was that much of a fat ass. I spent and ate so much fast food in secret because I was ashamed but surprisingly, not for the fact that I was downing 5k calories of taco bell in one sitting, but because I lying to myself and the people around me about being plant based. Now don't get me wrong, I wanted to cut this shit out, but food addiction + binge eating makes it so hard to have any sense if control. I came to the realization that this sense if restriction made it me feel more tense and more likely to get triggered and having a binging episode. So when people ask me why I'm not vegan or plant based or whatever anymore, I just worry that if I tell them that "I've been dealing with an eating disorder all my life and I need to get that in order before I can make any major dietary changed" because if they invalidate it (which they have a right to, it's their opinion) I'm worried that it will put me closer to another binge spiral. Tl;Dr: Me Me lack self control and vegan make it harder.

[@Rahmyise2]

You don't have to answer to anyone. The whole "u were never really vegan" thing is so annoying to me cuz who cares what these ppl think? U know yourself and if u care about the ethics and ppl say u don't, they're ignorant and should be ignored. You need to put your own well-being above the opinions of others.

[@allyson--]

I understand the fear behind telling people that. I agree there's never obligation to explain yourself if you know you're doing what's right for your health. And if someone criticizes you for your story, then they're an asshole! Wish you the best, eating disorders are a wicked beast to tackle.

[@danz9093]

If you're worried such an argument may trigger an eating spiral, despite all logic telling you their opinion doesn't matter, you can always say someone close to you is a vegan... technically, it's true, as who is closer to you than yourself ;) I say the same thing about addiction all the time (thankfully more than a decade in recovery)... I'll inevitably show too much interest/knowledge about drugs or whether someone is high... how do you know so much about this? Someone close to me is/was an addict

[@kawaiigeneral]

There are an awful lot of people in the comments that didn't seem to be aware of Swayze's thoughts on cats and veganism. She did a whole video on it; it's why she hasn't gotten another cat after Sniff passed. This isn't anything new. I personally wouldn't feed my cats vegan even if I did find a trustful brand, it's too expensive and my cats already all have very different dietary requirements due to age and/or disability. But I've accepted that. I foster and rescue cats and advocate heavily for spay/neuter. I'm okay with saying that's a non-vegan thing I participate in.

[@purpleexplorer2263]

Maybe its okay to participate in some non vegan things, as long as our overall effort is towards reducing harm?

[@kawaiigeneral]

@@purpleexplorer2263 Absolutely. I think harm reduction should be priority number 1 with veganism. It's a difficult enough world as it is.

[@jennoscura2381]

If I had a cat I would never feed them vegan. I would just give them the regular cat food from Costco. And perhaps the occasional canned cat food. I am low income. So I can't justify the cost of expensive vegan cat food. I also don't want to take the risk of harming the cat

[@fayebaker3378]

Eh? Yes cats are obligate carnivores. Nobody is using that as a cop out. It's simply a fact. What's the solution whilst in vitro meat is currently unavailable then? I feed mine vegan dry food and fish based wet food as a compromise. And I'm sick and tired of people saying cats destroy wildlife. There is no hard evidence that they are "decimating" wildlife. It's their instinct to kill and I'm sure humans do far, far worse to wildlife than cats. If anything cats go for the low hanging fruit i.e baby birds, dying, old or weak.

[@beautyforashes2230]

Exactly. Cats don't "decimate" wildlife, they're hunting as they've been doing for millions of years. If we think they're "decimating" wildlife then that's because there's not abundant wildlife anymore. That's our fault by raping the planet, not a cat's for trying to get a decent meal they won't get at home.

[@fayebaker3378]

@@beautyforashes2230 peta uses this absurd argument also. Fear mongering. In 2 years of going outside my cat that I adopted as a feral kitten and who is a true hunter has bought in a handful of birds. Always babies who have fallen out of the nest etc. Anyone would think that commercial cat food came from some utopia where nothing is harmed! Depriving an animal of their natural instincts is cruel.

[@beautyforashes2230]

@@fayebaker3378 I have a housecat (who gets decent food, plenty of entertainment and shows no desire to go outside). Then two years ago a feral cat wandered my way and decided I'm his people (LOL). He lives mostly outdoors, though he has a nice bed and plenty of food here in the house. He hunts, he's used to being outside and I think trying to force other ways on him would be cruel. I'm glad because I think the occasional mouse, rat or bird is much better for him than even the best commercial cat food. Plus, he decimates the voles in my garden that would eat my food. It's seldom a cat will manage to catch a healthy bird, I agree. We have a falcon swooping around in the village now and then and even the falcon has a hard time despite their super-sonic speed. And speaking of birds - we have storks nesting here. There's usually a runt in a litter (or whatever that's called with birds). The mother will pick it up and chuck it out of the nest before it can fly, to fall from a great height, and leave it to die. Nature isn't Disneyland no matter how much vegans wish it could be.

[@dimanaboytcheva7078]

This is gonna be good.

[@lekiscool]

What I love about this channel, is that although I am not vegan I still learn a lot about nutrition and practical alternatives. I am not apposed to veganism so its nice to learn about alternatives to meat. I cook vegetarian anyway, so more info the better. Plus you are a great resource for friends who say “hey I want to be vegan.” I can be like “ok take a look at this channel, make sure you are having b12.”

[@SwiftieM]

nice to know I’m not the only non vegan who still likes to watch this channel 😂

[@oceanlawnlove8109]

Pescetarian, i like her

[@lekiscool]

I’m always looking for alternative food sources. I just so happen to have a sensitive digestion. Its hard to cut out certain foods especially when that’s all you can eat that day.

[@tanjao.4312]

I'm also not vegan (anymore). I was for almost 3 years, but it caused me a serious eating disorder. People who are prone to that, should really be careful. This awareness is sadly not yet there

[@lekiscool]

@@tanjao.4312 I know plenty of people with ED's where they are strictly told there are not allowed to be on "other" diets. There is definitely a fine line between "I'm eating ethically." and "I'm using this to cover up an ed."

[@catgal222]

Have relatives that keep chickens on their property and eat the eggs produced by those chicken. They just grind up the shells with other vegetable scraps and feed it back to the chickens. So there is an easy way to make sure the chickens get the calcium they need.

[@minime7375]

I disagree with feeding dogs and cats a vegan diet. I have 2 dogs and 6 cats all rescued off the streets, couldn’t find them homes so they are mine now. Where I live vegan pet food is not accessible (and I wouldn’t feed cats vegan food anyway) and I do find it’s cruel to feed them plants, I try to stick to fish based pet food, I find it the best option. Two other things I disagree with are “vegans shouldn’t eat honey or wear wool”. If it’s ethically sourced why not? I mean beekeepers are actually doing a good thing by providing shelter for the bees...and sheep, if they exist they need shearing (goats do too actually depending on the climate and the breed). My family had sheep at some point (no, we never ate them they died of old age, my parents didn t like the milk or cheese either) and they definetely need shearing. My grandmother used to make bed covers and such using the wool, what’s so wrong about that? Genuine questions, I like UV very much for questioning parts of the “vegan Bible” and for understanding that people have different situations and can’t be as strict as others even if they’d like to be.

[@danz9093]

For vegan mentality, the Bees are making honey for themselves and their babies, not us. When we intervene, we are exploiting them. We are taking them out of the wild typically speaking out using them solely for our purposes. Check out how much honey a beehive naturally creates vs how much we consume. For wool, whilst it is true farmed sheep need shearing, they have been selectively bred over centuries to do this... they naturally would shed their wool. So, by buying wool, you continue demand for this selectively bred species to be exploited by humans. As the rise in veganism will be gradual, so too will the decrease in demand for such products, therefore, the selectively bred (sub)species will die out and leave you with the "true" wild animals that are still a part of a naturally occurring ecosystem. Same with dairy and milk. Selectively bred... typically much worse conditions despite some places being great, and unnecessary for contemporary human survival. And typically their lifespan is MUCH shorter than it would be naturally. This is all based on averages and generalisations... of course there will be exceptions to the rule and anecdotal stories like that of your family. My partner and my grandparents have similar stories about dairy cows, but that's not how it works in a vast majority of circumstances in our contemporary global society. Hope this helps

[@minime7375]

@@danz9093 thanks for detailing😀 Btw you can still use the wool the sheep shed naturally (granny did that as well, you just have to wash it really well). I think the solution tbh is to stop commercial farming, even as a vegan I don’t see anything wrong with having 3 chickens as pets and using their eggs or one sheep, 2 goats etc. As long as they have long happy lives and you treat them like you would a dog or a cat, like a family member I personally like the idea, as unpopular as it may be. I wouldn’t like these animals to stop existing.

[@danz9093]

@@minime7375 personally, I don't see the problem either... and you will definitely get a whole range of responses from the vegan community... a lot of the vocal minority that will say you're still using animals and are therefore a horrible person and others that will go, well, if we ALL got to that level of somewhat a symbiotic relationship with a few animals that we tend to and respect, then the world would be a much better place. I would say the same with honey... used sparingly from a hive you tend to isn't really an issue. I would even go so far as to say if people only ate what they hunted, there would be such better treatment of animals, no need for commercial agriculture, still very little meat eaten (as outlined in this video, the health differences between a 100% plant-based diet and predominantly plant-based diet is neglible)... of course, not everyone would hunt, and as animal consumption became less commonly accepted, fewer and fewer people would do it. I used to when I was much younger but haven't done it for decades and certainly wouldn't feel right doing it now... I suppose I'm saying if we could get it to such small scale levels that wasn't devastating the environment and almost every ecosystem under it, then that would be a great achievement even if we couldn't reach the abolition of all animal consumption.

[@minime7375]

@@danz9093 I’ve never hunted, sorry to find the practice abhorrent (unless one is starving to death). As for “using” the animals, mine use me way more than I use them. 😂 I don’t have any farm animals rn but I don’t see much wrong with the situations I described. I agree with you that reducing our consumption is the right answer, I’d be more inclined towards fishing rather than hunting. I know most vegans would disagree but there’s a difference in sentience and pain receptors between a pig and a shrimp. In general vegans should be more flexible, the food nazi approach is terrible advertisement.

[@danz9093]

@@minime7375 I was just using hunting as an extreme argument and tried to outline even that would decline (I was raised in rural Australia where rabbit hunting is very common, but haven't done it for decades not would I start again). The main point that we agree on is reduction is a very major goal that would be worth celebrating and personal use of animal products or animal instincts in a symbiotic relationship whereby humans respect the animals and they are healthy and well cared for is a pretty damn good outcome and rarely spoken about by vocal "militant" vegans that are addicted to being outraged rather than discussing the grey areas... perhaps they don't want to cloud the issue, and need to keep it pretty black and white, but for those already practicing veganism/plant-based lifestyles, there's definitely room for discussion of such nuances.

[@HaruTheGyaru]

"I would mainly feed my cat food with mostly grain and animal by-product" I'm sorry what? So like... Friskies food? Macdonald's for cats?.... girl sorry but I care about my cat, I'm not feeding them that shit lol

[@Tea_princess]

Yeah, it would ruin your cat's health, that is not ethical for me!

[@HaruTheGyaru]

@@mairzydoats4879 It's just luck. That food is unhealthy.

[@beautyforashes2230]

Amen to this. She knows so much about food for humans that I'm shocked she's so ignorant about how to feed an obligate carnivore. That crap cat food is like feeding your kid a diet made up of mostly cardboard.

[@tkps]

@@mairzydoats4879 One can live a long life without it being a decent life. Look how many years some smokers (or other things we do to ourselves) live whilst carrying disabilities. Quality is sometimes better than quantity.

[@Angeline1331]

Yes but what about the health of the animals used for the cat's food? I love cats but don't see any ethical way to have them.

[@scattershotbrain8029]

Normally you're so practical and rational, not mentioning that cats are obligate carnivores really surprised me, meat is not optional for cats, anyone who is not comfortable feeding their pet meat should not have a cat period I would just dismiss it as you don't know better but you always seem so well researched and informed, I'm baffled

[@beautyforashes2230]

She doesn't seem to care, period. Sad but true. The YT channel is thriving on more and more insipid content, nameless "Partner" is probably taking care of nameless "Toddler" and "Tiny Baby" and yeah...life just goes on and let's rake in the money, whee! I'm becoming more and more disappointed with this channel. Why should I believe she cares about animals if she fed her own pets garbage? I don't buy it.

[@scattershotbrain8029]

@@beautyforashes2230 everyone has to eat and I'm in favour of her preserving her family's anonymity (you can probably guess that my name is not actually Scattershot). I found this pretty shocking but I'll hold off on condemning her character, it seems to me that she does care, more than most. Agree to disagree I guess

[@beautyforashes2230]

@@scattershotbrain8029 Always happy to agree to disagree. I've been wrong before, will be wrong again in the future, and hope I'm wrong this time too.

[@christina7454]

The part about kids: I think this is the main reason some European dietetic organisations recommend against vegan diets for kids and pregnant women. Not because it can't be done but because it's a lot harder for many people to do adequately, especially when kids go through picky phases and maybe don't eat the diet plan the dietitian put together for them.

[@woodnymph01]

I also think there are cultural factors at play. My Italian friend is always saying that people of her parents generation and older are incredibly resistant to veganism. Perhaps because food is such an intrinsic part of their culture they view view veganism as threat. Obviously this all just speculation but personally, I don’t think it’s just because they think most parents are not knowledgeable enough.

[@mayalameyer6390]

Beanie That is a great point, there is certainly a lot of bias there. Because the more progressive European counties like Scandinavia are very supportive of plant based eating overall and that’s probably because they aren’t really as food/community centered. Culture in more vegan hostile countries like Italy, France, and Belgium are so focused on those big traditional food gatherings. Being vegan with a French grandma I can absolutely attest to it 😂.

[@christina7454]

@@woodnymph01 Maybe, although I guess that matters more in practice not in a scientific paper. There are definitely other factors at play too. In Europe it's less common to find fortified foods which makes some of the key nutrients even harder to get. Many vegan milk alternatives are fortified if they're not organic, but pasta, flour, bread (which have B vitamins and zinc added in the US) aren't. Iodised salt has very little iodine (not enough for vegans to meet their needs). Selenium is only supplemented in farm animal feed because it's not in the soil and therefore not in grains and beans (only seen one brand of vegan milk that has added selenium). It's a problem especially when vegans listen to influencers and maybe use an American nutrition app like cronometer where it looks like you get enough selenium from grains or lots of zinc from bread.

[@christina7454]

@@mayalameyer6390 Oh yes, veganism is on the rise in some European countries. The bias would mostly affect older generations, maybe someone's doctor, dietitian or parents, not necessarily the young people who are starting families right now.

[@PropaneStove]

Just Being curious... What dietetic organizations are you refering to? As far as I know, the German nutrition society do not recommend veganism for Children, and the Spanish Paediatrics Association used to do the same but now they even have guidelines.

[@florabeltaine4620]

There are cat food/dog food brands that use insects as the protein source. I reckon that's a more ethical choice, it sure is a more ecological one given the carbon footprint of insect farming is veeeerry low

[@katieamarsh]

That’s such a good idea.

[@Tea_princess]

Could you name some brands of that food?

[@sophisticateddenial6510]

Definitely! It really surprises me that most people don't even consider that option.

[@florabeltaine4620]

I only know of Tomojo as a brand. It might be french

[@amirabrown9761]

I love that you mentioned severe allergies. I am vegan, but my husband is very severely allergic to any amount of any legume. Which pretty much makes veganism impossible for him.

[@AlienZizi]

are you able to eat them still? would kissing him afterwards be dangerous?

[@DiMagnolia]

That would make it so tough!

[@dontnoable]

I understand your husband's situation but even if he has to eat meat to be able to eat something, he could avoid leather, wool, fur, and other animal "by" products. Veganism is "a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation...". Everyone can be vegan, as veganism is not a diet. It's a philosophy! I have a friend who needs to eat meat, a bit like your husband, but she wants to set up a sanctuary for farmed animals when she has enough cash. I'd consider her vegan. I think if people start at the point of seeing themselves as vegan, given what veganism is, they can make sure they're looking after themselves (in the case of your husband and my friend) and then look at what else they could do, like not buying leather/cow's skin. It is activating. I welcome it.

[@amirabrown9761]

@@dontnoable hey! That’s a good point. He actually does avoid wool and leather and drinks oat milk instead of dairy. A lot of vegans get really mad and say he doesn’t HAVE to eat meat, but he does what he can and I think that’s worth celebrating 😁 Edit: Id it’s inconspicuous in something I make it really clear to him that “DO NOT DRINK MY HALF AND HALF IT HAS PEA PROTIEN” or something like that

[@amirabrown9761]

@@AlienZizi I can have anything in the house except peanuts, they tend to be dusty. I just brush and floss and use mouthwash after eating soy, pea protien (which I don’t get the powdered form of), chickpeas, and other legumes. I also clean up where I cooked pretty quickly afterwards. It sounds like a lot, but it’s a routine at this point and it’s not really An inconvenience

[@benedikth.9803]

As an ex-vegan myself, I completely agree with your views on them. Obviously regarding the part about ex-vegans „never being vegan“ before, but also the „ex-vegans can use some really stupid arguments they would once argue against“. Met quite a few ex-vegans and yeah, it’s true. For me the main point were health reasons (IBS, can‘t digest fibre at all, did countless tests and went to countless experts, tried all I could for a year on a vegan diet with my problems but they didn’t get any better), but I also felt some sort of burnout or compassion fatigue at the end of my 3 vegan years, can’t deny that. But when some ex-vegans start talking about „you know, i figured plants have feelings too!“.... yeah, ok buddy....

[@lisabaughn]

Hey UV, I've known a couple of people who have worked at meatpacking plants and they were generally very good people actually. In fact, if you get into the crowd that fights on labor issues in meat packing plants, you will find some extremely wonderful and kind-hearted people. I once talked to a guy who worked in a meat packing plant who seemed psychologically distraught and damaged by the killing of the animals he saw every day, but his feelings of responsibility to support his family and to work hard kept him from discussing or exploring his trauma too much. Also, this might have been touched upon in Upton Sinclair's The Jungle--that the killing of animals is just as horrible a part of the job as the labor issues that book discussed. The other person I know right now who is working at a meat packing plant took the job because it was the only thing she could get super quickly. I think a lot of immigrants work at these places also because the jobs are available and you can get them. So, it can also be about getting money now. On that note, sometime I would love to hear anything you have to say about labor issues in these places. The workers are treated almost as badly as the animals. That's capitalism for ya...

[@danz9093]

She kinda covers that in the video too... poor people with no other option. And, like you said, they become psychologically distressed but need to provide for their family... but the environment implicitly encourages thinking less of animals and youneither get psychologically distressed (at a minimum) or become desensitised to the killing (at a minimum). She stayed they'll blame it on this particular poor worker rather than the conditions their in.

[@MultiCappie]

My controversial vegan opinion: Wild animals who are losing their habitats due to animal agriculture and climate change are much more important to me than farm animals.

[@raemills3089]

I personally don't have my kids following a vegan diet. I believe it's a personal choice. When they're old enough, and can understand proper nutrition and can work and follow the instructions of a dietian and doctor who are vegan educated, then we can work together to switch them. IF they choose to embrace that life choice.

[@RaccoonLaundry]

"Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's okay"? What? So, what, all animals in the wild are unethical because they're naturally eating what they need? What? Dude what???

[@beautyforashes2230]

If she meant that, she's taken leave of her senses. I hope I misunderstood her, but I guess we'll never know since I doubt she bothers to read these comments.

[@mairzydoats4879]

Way to take that to the illogical extreme.

[@JennRighter]

This is something she’s discussed in great detail, usually related to humans. She’s saying there isn’t evidence at this point that suggests that chickens eating eggs is healthy to the chicken. She also didn’t deny that it may be healthy. At this point we don’t know, was her point, and natural doesn’t automatically equal healthy.

[@JennRighter]

She also never said anything EVER about animal behavior being unethical nor has she implied it. She was being specific and it was about the ethics of HUMANS consuming eggs, and she said under certain circumstances she believes it IS ethical. I have NO IDEA how you got to what you commented based on that.

[@Rahmyise2]

All vegans think they can defy nature and biology. I like Swayze's channel cuz shes honest about it. How it's a lifestyle for the privileged, and if it weren't for man made supplements and processed fortified foods veganism couldn't exist.

[@ancientfern2693]

As a failed vegan who plans to go back to plant based I really had to just embrace how my failure could help others to not fail if they were interested. I think it makes a person more relatable, less critical.

[@angelalewis4213]

here's a controversial opinion; backyard eggs [from rescue chickens] for your carnivore pets.

[@heidih3048]

Eggs wouldn't account for all their nutrient needs though.

[@alices3709]

For the background: what about your kids art? I'm not sure if you'd be comfortable with that or if they're into it but that was my first thought. Or maybe some lettering cut in colorful paper? There's also artists you could find online and get their work printed.

[@valeriavagapova]

kids art is the coolest idea actually!

[@zabacinjsh]

I dunno, sounds kinda creepy for you to ask her to put her kids drawings in her vids, but maybe it just came across that way, because you realize she's not comfortable with having her kids personal stuff out there and imo art can be very personal even for kids

[@TheSimpleEnvironmentalist]

I love this! For my channel I found local artists for background art :)

[@rogueskiss3794]

Anyone here Latin American and find it almost impossible to be vegan. I have gotten better. Vegan ice cream snacks milk but as a whole it's so hard to say no to those traditional foods especially when abuela/tia/ma makes it 😣😅

[@carolsimpson4422]

Its soooooo hard saying no to sweet ladies trying to make you smile with their beautifully made treats! That's the worst part of going vegan (or change diet in anyway-lo fat or gluten free etc)

[@scarleth4542]

Sí me ha pasado, intenté ser vegana y definitivamente no pude, entonces me quedé como vegetariana. jsjsjjjsjsjs

[@Buenanueva1]

I imagine in Latin America a lot of the milk is hand-milked raw milk and so it’s probably nutritious. Additionally, the cows get sick from their udders if they aren’t milked

[@fiffihoneyblossom5891]

I live in africa, plant based options are hard to find and are crazy expensive. It is a lifestyle absolutely reserved for the rich here. And denying food offered, especially by family, would be very insulting. There is a deep seated traditional aspect to it, being invited, somwone opening their home for you....there is honour and expectations around it....

[@Nosoycreativaa]

@@Buenanueva1 you can actually get really sick if you drink raw milk, like it's actually disgusting, and no, cows do not get sick if they do not get milked, that's pretty stupid

[@purpleexplorer2263]

Your stance on pet food clearly comes across to a lot of people as a fringe view. You're at your most compelling when you talk about reducing harm, rather than animal nutrition.

[@treefrog1018]

To those who question whether ex-vegans care or not. As an ex-vegan whose body cannot be fully vegan (given the resources I have today), I can assure you that I believe humans are animals who should not be harmed. 🤗

[@Uselessnon]

Haters gon hate, you keep doing what you’re good at. I converted into a reducism because of you. You’re changing people. So stuff the haters.

[@tkps]

Criticism of a ridiculous statement like 'cats can cope with mostly grains' is something that in no way accords to 'hate'. People should stop mixing the two up and deciding they can make statements and any criticism or disagreement with said statement is bullying or hating. That's the stuff that can get stuffed.

[@KayKayBayForever]

TKPS The OP didn’t say no one could ever criticize. Sure, criticize her statement about cats. But the fact is, she DOES get a bunch of hate, too, for many of the other opinions she has, opinions that are (for the most part) rational and compassionate.

[@jenniferahough4983]

Why do most people think something is better because it's natural. Do they not realise that pit vipers are natural 🤔

[@sushicat777]

as someone who has worked with animals for almost 10 years and has multiple credentials in animal nutrition, I just wanted to give my 2 cents on vegan diets for cats and dogs. Both cats and dogs are carnivores, cats being obligate and dogs being facultative. It’s already fairly widely known that vegan diets can be detrimental to cats so I won’t beat the dead horse talking about it, but just because a dog can eat an entirely plant based diet does not mean that that dog is thriving off it. Dogs are a scavenging species and are able to survive (not thrive) off of non-species appropriate foods if that is all that’s available to them. Even if dogs were true omnivores like they are thought to be, that means that they still require animal-based foods in order to thrive. It’s also disappointing hearing you say that the foods we should be feeding our pets are the value brands with grains and poor quality animal products just to ensure the animal isn’t wasted, as these foods are also not designed for your pet to thrive off of. There are brands who source humanely and sustainably sourced animal products where the animal doesn’t suffer nearly as much as the bargain brand animals do, while still using up majority of the animal in their food product (by products are not bad for pets, but the quality of the by product makes a massive difference). Bargain brands often use diseased and highly rendered animal products that do not live good lives, and ultimately that is what you’re supporting if you purchase that for your animal (let alone feed that to them…)

[@kirralee5331]

very surprised to hear that cats can be vegan. they can not. anyone feeding their cats vegan should have their cats taken away from animal abuse. if u cant feed a cat meat dont get a cat. you cant be against animal abuse and then starve your pet to death.

[@bridgetlowe3660]

Hot take: ethical cannibalism is vegan

[@michaelkokinos2872]

It really do be like that tho

[@ONeill01]

In a sense it would be, it already exists now of human tissue cells cloned to produce meat. As humans are animals, we wouldn't say euthanisation is not vegan if it is consensual.

[@ma_sabella00]

can you please react to Emily Ewing? (previously chill vegan). She’s so cool and eats a normal vegan diet.

[@whatthehellbob]

I agree with most of this! My dog has a shit load of allergies and has trouble with a lot of dog foods. Surprisingly, he did really well on a vegetarian food for quite a few years, but my other dog didn't like it. But cats? Cats aren't meant to be vegetarian

[@emmy11ification]

My controversial opinion is that I oils have non-vegan partner. Vegans of KZbin always act like it such a big deal but I think most vegans in real have non-vegan partners and make it work. I just would never cook them animal foods and wouldn’t want them in my house for the most part.

[@mkuhn216]

“Just because it’s natural, doesn’t mean it’s okay” Are you serious?? Cats are biologically carnivores. Deciding not to feed a cat meat because it’s against your “vegan, ethical” beliefs does just as much harm to an animal as choosing to partake in cruel animal-farming practices. You spout this sham that you’re a rational, level-headed vegan, but by actively choosing to feed domesticated pets (in this instance cats) a diet that is directly opposite their natural feeding habits, just because it makes you uncomfortable, you are choosing to cause them harm. You’re not helping animals, you’re hurting them. If you don’t want to have to feed a carnivorous animal meat, make the adult decision not to raise animals that require meat in their diets. You unbelievably selfish human being. I hope from all these comments you educate yourself and stop SERIOUSLY harming animals in your pursuit to help them.

[@beautyforashes2230]

She apparently doesn't even read comments. And if she does, she's too chicken to face up to being called out. OR she'll do a self-righteous and unapologetic vid the way she did after the "Black Lives Don't REALLY Matter" fiasco, and life goes on as usual. This used to be a good channel, but more and more I have the feeling she's going mentally off the rails...

[@kiwikoopa6806]

I would love to hear your take on leather and "vegan leather" (aka plastic). Ive been cutting down on meat and animal products but the argument that we shouldn't wear leather is one that I haven't been able to get behind. Leather is repairable and lasts so long. Its seems like an unnecessary detriment on the environment to wear plastic leather since it doesn't last as long and will just end up in a landfill.

[@ONeill01]

Leather is the most environemtally harmful industries out there, from cradle to grave, tanning process, wastage etc. Personally havent seen evidence to conclude that leather would last longer compared to plastic, even if were the case, it may still even more environmentally friendly to wear vegan plastic several times over before it catches up to the GHG footprint of a single pair of leather boots

[@jacjac_jac]

Thanks for saying that about What the Health and other bad documentaries. It bothers me so much when people do good things for terrible reasons. It seems to always lead to people to live really unhealthy vegan lifestyles.

[@carolsimpson4422]

And any errors they make can be used as arguments against veganism - and those arguments can persuade people that veganism is wrong in general.

[@dontnoable]

Can you direct me to any good (non reactionary) critiques of what the health? Curious to see that.

[@Groucho_Marxist_ASMR]

"I have an OnlyFans" Me: "Oh?" "It's not like that, tho" Me: "Oh."

[@jeborismonke3270]

Yea she’s bad afffffff

[@Groucho_Marxist_ASMR]

@@jeborismonke3270 She's passed Happy Healthy Vegan in subscribers, too. Also, her response videos to them have more views than their responses to hers even tho she linked to theirs and they didn't link to hers. Lol.

[@jeborismonke3270]

@@Groucho_Marxist_ASMR she’s hot I wish she would make a onlyfans

[@flamenphoenix1915]

Feeding a cat grains is like feeding a ball python apples. Obligated carnivores are just that; carnivores. If you don't want to feed a cat what it needs then get a fucking rabbit. Seriously, if anyone feeds their cat vegan then they need their cat taken away. Its animal cruelty to not give the proper nutrients to your cat.

[@ohio_nights]

I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to pet food; my dog and two cats eat a raw diet. It's not ideal but the nutritional needs of a cat is very different than that of a human and I'm not willing to push my belief system on to them.

[@giov7]

what I heard people do is go to the butcher shop and ask for the leftover meat that no one is going to buy anymore, so by doing this you are not increasing the demand for meat and you can feed your cat properly !

[@samvandervelden8243]

You can also feed them normal kibbles, you're increasing your contributions to animal abuse when you buy raw meat because its much more expensive

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

@@samvandervelden8243 Eating solely kibble can lead to dehydration though, especially in cats because they don't generally have a high thirst drive. Including wet food in their diet helps to mitigate that issue.

[@samvandervelden8243]

@@theshunnedBandersnatch Maybe wet cat food? They are still cheaper than normal meat right?

[@theshunnedBandersnatch]

@@samvandervelden8243 Yep! Unless you get one of the ultra premium brands that uses human grade meat or the whole animal. Those brands are pretty pricey though, so most people don't.

[@TheMuirite]

YES YES YES, I have so many food allergies its HORRIBLE. I am allergic to soy, tree nuts, pea nuts, legumes, wheat, coconut, lupin , dairy and more. I am that person that has epi pens EVERYWHERE like home, work, car, partners ect. I tried the WFPBNO thing and I was fine when I was home all the time, work it was horrible half way thru my 13 hr shift.

[@Narnendil]

Same allergies, and also meat, seafood, mushrooms, glutein, rice, most fruits and vegetables. I'm eating basically boiled roots (potatoes, carrots etc.) and eggs. I'm not going to stop eating eggs. Potatoes don't have enough protein. Especially since my disease makes me need more protein than normal people, and also makes me absorb less nutrients overall. I just need those eggs.

[@Tea_princess]

@@Narnendil Would you mind telling what disease do you have? I have an interest in that topic and would like to read more on it.

[@Narnendil]

@@Tea_princess hEDS, gastroparesis, intolerance to histamines in food and then other allergies, just typical allergies with no explanation, and then some other unexplained intolerances to some food. All the other diagnoses are most probably due to my hEDS. hEDS tend to screw things up in the body.

[@sophisticateddenial6510]

Did you get tested properly and are those allergies confirmed by a doctor/ nutritionist? Or do you just think that you have those allergies? For me it's very hard to imagine that a person can suffer from so many different allergies. Just curious, no hate. I wish you well, regardless of your diet 🙏

[@Narnendil]

@@sophisticateddenial6510 Yep I'm thoroughly investigated by probably the best doctor in this field in my country. Have also met tons of dieticians, nutritionsts and other doctors at the hospital in my city, which is one of the best in my country. As I said, not all of them are allergies though. Some food is ruled out by gastroparesis as well and other insentivities. I'd most probably die if I didn't get my prescribed nutrition drinks to increase my calorie/nutrient intake... Thank you for wishing me well!

[@eleanoraddy4683]

I am so on board with cultured meat. We could've been doing it for years by now. All meat should be cultured

[@ffiontill5924]

Protein deficiency is definitely a thing!! Especially in those who have been malnourished and those who have a history of disordered eating. Even if they have fully recovered

[@JessicaGBonny]

I think that the egg issue is complicated for two reasons: 1) by accepting the consumption of eggs from rescued/pet chickens we are accepting the consumption of eggs in general, as we can not control what people do to the animals they have control of; 2) we might also be encouraging animal domestication, which probably is not a good thing either. (probably because I know that not all vegans agree that all animal domestication should end)

[@veganmomfitness6371]

I really appreciate your “obsession” with protein. I began watching your channel in 2016. Learning a non 80-10-10 perspective helped lead me to getting my CPT, CNC and eventually Plant Based Nutrition Certifications from NASM. It is astonishing how many people do not understand protein, and how many try to cram it into one meal. Fun fact, the female body can only absorb (on average) 30g per every 3-4 hours. If a female eats above that in one meal, it is simply excreted in the urine.... so, unless one has pre existing issues, they probably don’t have to worry about getting “too much”.

[@winstonmccurley9953]

My controversial vegan opinion: reducetarianism should be more widely accepted in the vegan community. I've been vegan for over five years, but let's face it. A lot of people don't have the willpower or resources to take the plunge practically and sustainably. If everyone in the world ate 25% less animal products, imagine what a great step that would be to creating even greater sustainable change. So many people (including the ex vegans [especially Raw Alignment or whatever her name is now]) believe they have to be all or nothing, one thing or the other. But gray exists, and with veganism, lasting change may lie in the gray. Unnatural vegan is an example. She's no Freelee (telling people who eat meat that they are evil), but I'd bet she's converted more people SUSTAINABLY than Freelee ever has (or helped vegans convert to a better vegan diet [like me]).

[@Olivetree80]

Often times people's reasons are different, some much better than others, some simply excuses. I'm an incredibly lazy person, with little knowledge about cooking, and money, yet I went vegan. I would say if you really want to do it, and can do it, you will. To me, it is that simple. It is great if people are trying and everyone should be treated with respect, patience, and love. But if you're truly on board with the philosophy, then there is a willingness to follow it.

[@sabrinanikolinaboj2316]

Hello! I've been a subscriber for a long time and I really enjoy all of your videos, very informative and also fun to watch. I'm really a fan of your channel! However I am not vegan. I have serious food sensitivities and literally I can only eat meats, certain vegetables (basically only root vegetables and dark leafy greens), and most fruits but in small amounts. I can't get protein from any beans or any other sources, also I can't eat anything processed. As you mentioned for some people like me it's really impossible to be vegan or even vegetarian in order to be healthy and functional. I hope one day people like me can eat meat made in a lab, and not from a slaughtered animal... or maybe we could get better medication for our condition(s), but I don't believe that's going to happen soon. Just wanted to say it from my perspective.

[@tomjones2157]

If you can't eat processed food, its unlikely meat made in a lab won't trigger those same allergies.

[@sabrinanikolinaboj2316]

@@tomjones2157 Might be.

[@KatLovin]

Do NOT put your cat on a vegan diet. Cats are obligate carnivores.

[@gustavomarques2997]

I agree with everything. I can't watch more vegan documentaries after 3 years of my dietetics education because they are just annoying and full of crap for me. Can't watch some youtube channels too anymore. And yes, a lot of vegan parents don't know how to feed their childreen because they get their nutrition advice from youtube and not from reputable sources or dietitans. Then we, dietitians and dietitian wannabes, have to explain to everyone (teachers, other angry moms, people on the internet, other health professionals, doctors and older dietitian college professors) that a vegan diet ''works'' for ''that kid'', the problem was just that the parents were clueless on nutrition knowledge and the kid was missing some things. Also folks, get your protein, get your lysine AND leucine people. Don't just eat half a cup of beans here and there. Don't just make pasta with vegetables only for dinner on a regular basis. If you're not sedentary, you will need more than 1.2g/kg. Vegan doctors say ''there is no medical term for protein deficient and you can get enough by just eating enough calories''. Yes, there is. Is called kwashiorkor. Eating suboptimal levels of protein is a thing, you may not get kwashiorkor because it's rare, but it's important to eat enough, like any other nutrient.

[@TetiH]

Vegan documentaries are incredibly cringy to anyone who took just a single science class in uni. The majority of them claim some bullshit how you can cure your cancer or diabetes if you go on this magical diet and it's not a good look for people who eat plant based at all. And as someone who underate protein for years and felt like major crap, it totally happens and if you're generally not knowledgeable about nutrition it's super easy to fall into the rabbit hole of pasta and veggies and hummus is a decent protein source.

[@melissabanyas1315]

I am so pleased with this video. This is one of the reasons why I mention you to my non-vegan family members. I appreciate your honest and fact based content so much. It feels great to see that a mother (among other things) continue speak about the realities of eating in a healthy and realistic vegan way. Even though my kids did not start their lives as vegans, your videos have helped us in conversations now that they have a great desire for change. They understand the importance of facts first. They are 9 and 14.... never an easy time to be socially different, but conversations around all of the things you remind me to consider, makes parenting them a little bit easier. Thanks 😊

[@gustavomarques2997]

@@TetiH That's true, I think people don't know who to trust or where to look to find good information. Health misinformation is also a pandemic! I also struggled on my vegan journey to be vegan because I didn´t take supplements, ate high carb low fat, etc. Then after feeling like crap, my workouts being bad and after gaining a lot of weight, I decided to go to a dietitian. It change my whole perception and I improved and managed to stay vegan. Years later, I decided after highschool to go to college and study dietetics to become a RD and help people stay vegan. But I also fell in love with nutrition and want to work on other nutrition fields too.

[@jennoscura2381]

The vegan RD Jack Norris recommends 1 to 1.1 g per kg. So that's what I have been going by. But more protein isn't a bad thing.

[@gustavomarques2997]

@@jennoscura2381 yes, vegans may need around that amount if they are sedentary. For anyone who is an average gym goer or not sedentary, most recomendations advise between 1.2 to 2.2. Jack Norris also talks about this on his website.

[@Lulamary]

Since almost 4 years I watched many vegan videos and channels, I was vegan for almost two years and even though I’m not one anymore I still watch your videos and enjoy them! Love you

[@faylinameir]

I personally like and appreciate the white background because it’s easier to focus on you and what you’re saying. Just my two cents.

[@ShaynasPlants]

The chicken or birds in general do not eat their eggs unless they're malnourished.. They can tell the eggs they laid have put their calcium levels at a dangerous level and then they will eat their own eggs. I can't believe people think that's something that is normal behavior

[@Emmuzka]

Controversial opinion on quitting veganism: "I stopped caring animals that much" is a different argument than "I understood that working towards sustainable future doesn't require a personal fundamentalist lifestyle to be valid."

[@search895]

"Natural" is something to take with a pinch of salt and nuance when talking about behaviour or health of domestic animals. They are a modified (by us) lineage of their species so a lot of their traits are not exactly "natural". Not in the sense of evolution by natural selection but artificial breeding control.

[@DearSparklesTV]

"natural" also doesn't really mean anything in practicality. try unpacking and finding the line between natural and unnatural and you'll see how cloudy and arbitrary it gets the farther you go.

[@chloeking3429]

I turned off the video when you said "I don't want babies to die", that's taking things too far.

[@ayaneagano6059]

I haven’t watched it yet... I hope that doesn’t mean what I think it means...

[@yaiwve]

She is definitely very pro-choice, a lot of her past vids deconstruct pro-lifers' rhetoric and point out the absurdities.

[@chloeking3429]

Didn't even twig that it could have been related to abortion, was just running with the joke of how uncontroversial a statement it was

[@mairzydoats4879]

@@chloeking3429 Omg, I've been doomscrolling too much 😂🤣

[@treefrog1018]

Haha. I am one of the most prolife people I know and even I didn't "go there" when reading Chloe's original comment. 🤣

[@olivethunderbird]

Not vegan but have been watching your content for a while because you seemed evidence and fact based. You lost me with the pet stuff. As everyone has pointed out cats are OBLIGATE carnivores and purposefully feeding them shit food so you feed them less meat is straight up neglect if not abuse.

[@lexidiusBS]

Cats need to eat meat, no ifs or buts. Hell even if it's (safe) roadkill, that's something, but carnivores are biologically required to eat meat to survive. That and a cat cannot give consent to a vegan diet, so forcing one to become malnourished because of human ethics is morally flawed and goes against what veganism stands for - a prevention of morally/ethically cruel practices against animals.

[@BlanesWorld]

1. Love the video 2. Your skin looks really good! Are you using anything new skincare wise?? Thanks and hope all is well!!

[@danz9093]

Watch the end of the video... I think it's sweat, haha!

[@ick3481]

Hey you should check out Mina Rome since she is one of the more relaxed vegan youtubers

[@stephenshuman1]

What do you consider a “relaxed vegan KZbinr”?

[@ick3481]

@@stephenshuman1 She explains it better than I in her Veggiekins video, it wasn’t suppose to be deep

[@TetiH]

@@stephenshuman1 she's just a cool vegan student in Europewho shows easily accessible and cheap meals for us who can't really relate that to all these things and mock meats accessible in the US.

[@yasaiaisa8363]

I feel like her recipes often don't have a ton of protein, but otherwise I like her channel too

[@eduardoo31]

i get super depressed watching her channel, she uses sooo many vegan products that simply don't exist in my country. it's like, what's even the point of watching her channel if i'm never going to be able to recreate one of her recipes?

[@orirune3079]

I agree so much with you on the "blame the worker" thing. Most people working in meat plants are working there because they have no other choice, and a lot of them are illegal immigrants who are being taken advantage of, underpaid, and threatened with deportation. The system is absolutely fucked up. PTSD among slaughterhouse workers is also very common.

[@allysathomas4582]

Yet again, cats are reduced down to just being "invasive" without even bothering to go into why or discussing ways to counteract this. It's incredibly disappointing to see that her opinion on cats have not changed and is still incredibly negative. I don't disagree that they're invasive but it really helps to talk about why we have so many outdoor/feral cats and what people are doing to help.

[@athenaalexcat1529]

It's not an opinion, it's literally a FACT that domesticated felines are invasive. Sorry it hurts your feelings

[@4themotherload]

I have allergies that make trying to be vegan very hard. I have spent my life trying to make the best food choices I can for my health and then whats good for our environment. Love your channel because you don't yell and scream or through blood. The world is not a easy place to live, I want us all to live peacefully and respectful of each others choices. We need to stand up to the bad/wrong but, we need to understand differences and co-exist.

[@maxchenowith9060]

Some of these I disagree with, but thank you for making me reflect as always

[@labonihira]

I'm not vegan, but I have a controversial non-vegan opinion. That is : Vegans are awesome and we need to defend them more often because ya'll are gonna save the earth if you do.

[@lilywilliamson1155]

It may not be so hard for you to start changing the world yourself too 😊

[@labonihira]

@@lilywilliamson1155 yes, I am at a point where I really really want to change my lifestyle for the better. I wish I could start immediately but unfortunately most of it is out of my control as of now. I do as much as I can, and will definitely do better as time goes on 😊

[@lilywilliamson1155]

@@labonihira good for you, I wish you all the best on your journey 💗

[@jasminekilgannon1074]

I identify more closely with a flexitarian diet than the average western diet but I still eat *some* animal products and I LOVE your channel! I’ve for a long time been reducing my animal product intake and you’re one of the only channels that doesn’t make me feel bad for not going 100% into a diet that removes foods I know I shouldn’t eat but do enjoy on the drop of a hat. Thank you for providing inclusive content to people who aren’t quite there yet but trying to make the (sometimes difficult) shift.