My Conversation with 3 Graces Media by John David Ebert

[@YellowCakeRadio]

This is what I’m talking about. Must be some special juju where you guys are at to be having these type of discussions. Inspirational conversations.

[@orthostice]

We are so lucky to have your uploads

[@fuanon3441]

thank you John! fascinating as always

[@noluntas]

Your content is a blessing, John. Thanks

[@slimbroski5335]

I ate up every single second of this. Absolutely brilliant conversation. I’m truly at a loss for words. It’s all coming together. Damn. Thank you.

[@aeschylus2859]

American self-improvement spirituality. “You are in a school, here to learn a lesson and evolve as a soul.” Beneath that saccharine vision, even in John’s view, is a very grim retributive karma justice system and repetition of traumas over multiple lifetimes. It becomes a head scratcher on what exactly you’re supposed to be learning or why the cosmic game is played this way. With a little shift in perspective, you just as easily say “we are in a prison, being subjected to meaningless tortures. Let’s break out!”

[@johnebert5627]

That's only the viewpoint from souls down here who are incarnate and puzzled by the whole thing. I can assure you that the souls between incarnations do not feel that way at all. They are learning and evolving towards perfection--or at least as close as that is possible to get to--and that path requires going through both difficult as well as pleasant and easy lifetimes. I have had a very difficult lifetime this time around and have also had similar thoughts that it feels more like a punishment than anything else, but in reality it isn't. I had two previous lifetimes just before this one that were easy: one as a Civil War brigadier general and one as a surgeon who went to a MASH unit in WWII. Both had easy, socially respected lives with many commonly acknowledged respectable achievements, i.e. military promotions, easy women, etc.etc. I can see perfectly well why I chose this particularly difficult lifetime with very, very, very little social approval and lots of public ridicule. That's all in accordance with what I call The Law of Karmic Balance. The soul requires balance. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it isn't. But it's not a prison because we voluntarily choose to come here.

[@aeschylus2859]

I understand that you solve the Gnosticism question with the idea of voluntary choice. I’m just a little skeptical about that to be honest. Out of curiosity, how do you understand the perfection that each individual soul is striving toward? Is it something like dissolution into the One or do we retain our individuality in some way?

[@86Maldoror86]

@@aeschylus2859 The desire for perfection whether being played out in the astral realm, the phenomenal realm, or any other realm is irrelevant because it still means that the soul is a prisoner to that desire. The soul is still condemned to desire incarnating into lifetimes of experiences. Volition is futile if it can't opt out of the entire process itself. Perhaps this realm is a "better" realm than others due to it being less hyperbolic and maintaining a level of homeostasis. However, we're still left with the unresolved problem of how being in a perpetually desirous state of any kind, in any realm, is at all ideal.

[@oumod_]

And thus we return to Buddhism. Suffering is the problem and the rounds of existence are a wondering in the waist land so to speak. I do think John is right though that Buddhism will never gain broad appeal in The West for this reason. Rightly or wrongly Mr. Ebert is sketching the likely outlines of the future theology of the North American continent.

[@dagon99]

Fantastic interview!

[@paulmiller6188]

There is a solution for all of this, but it’s a bitter pill to swallow. We as individuals do not exist. There is only consciousness, and we are serving the interests of life. Personal freedom is an illusion, a mental activity.

[@fromafricaicame5909]

Heaven is heartless, treating all things as straw dogs...

[@gnosis555]

How can we make the best of a difficult lifetime? I struggle a lot with issues like guilt, anxiety, control, etc, etc. How do I know what I’m supposed to learn? How to let go?

[@DavidRemington]

Be both honest and courageous in dealing with yourself. You might have to come to some very painful insights about yourself and your life and spiritually "vomit" a great deal. But first and foremost: turn to God, have a friend, priest or therapist help you on your way to sorting out the root causes of your condition. Be brave, you can do it.

[@AshleyGraetz]

Great discussion.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

Mr. Ebert, do you have any idea as to where Baháʼí Faith fits in the Spengler's and other morphological systems (Toynbee, etc.)? Spengler mentions it in DOTW and says that its a clear Magian religion, but it was founded SO LATE, when the prime symbol had already completely died, and at best, tiny spasms of a passed away organism were left, if at that (Jewish Magian might've been less exhausted than the Islamic Magian but idk). Why would they found a new religion, where does that fit in his charts?

[@KarlMartell732]

I'm not John, but in my understanding, the Bahai faith is in fact some kind of "19th century syncretistic Hellenistic" cult comparable to that of Kybele or Isis in the original ancient Hellenistic era. One of those, in its greciased and romanized forms, was in fact church Christianity. "Hellenistic eras" are globalized late stages, If not winter times, but late autumn types of civs. Syncretistic cults like the Bahai one, Kybele and even romanized Christianity gain popularity especially among the imperial, late stage ppl. Bahai should be one the lesser successful, but who knows?

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@KarlMartell732 If I'm understanding you correctly, what you're saying is that Bahai is like the last spasms of the Magian religiosity that were imbued with Faustian/Western dynamism and energy in its early Wintertime in order to yield a new religion mostly for the modern Western times with a Magian underlying core?

[@KarlMartell732]

@@bonbon__candy__1 Sort of. I would think that it is a spiritual reaction of an older civilization (Magian) to the experienced omnipotence and pressure of 19th century western high civilization. Like the cult of Mithras, a kind of predecessor to Christianity, which gained popularity among imperial soldiers. Or as I said the Kybele cult which came from Egypt I guess. Don't forget that Christianity was THE "globalist" religion of Hellenic and Roman late civilization and it came from the Levant but encompassed Greek philosophic elements.

[@2fiafisdoafw34]

Forget metanarratives like Marx, Comte, Spengler, Toynbee, etc. ones, embrace post-structuralism/post-modernism though. Not that some pieces of that metanarratives and theories aren't useful or adequate, but the whole body of them is just and illusion of order and rationality.

[@2fiafisdoafw34]

@@KarlMartell732 All religions are syncretistic as well as cultures (in the case you can split both, which I don't believe so), the mere idea of a "pure" ideology is a nonsense, everything human is in constant change with contact and "cultural appropriation" from others. Spengler was until some point correct about the character of what he called as "magian" culture and the process of transformation from polytheism towards monotheism in the Late Ancient Near East, but it's very likely that his "line of demarcation" between grecorroman and magian/semitic cultures is arbitrary. From what is today known in archaeology and historiography of the period, the most likely scenario is that the whole Oriental Mediterranean and the Near East were becoming from "open polytheism" to "monolatristic polytheism" and finally becoming the "monotheism" that we can understand today. _Open polytheism_ is the polytheism as we understand, you believe in the existence of many Gods, and can switch from the cult of one to another or do many cults at the same time. _Monolatristic polytheism_ implies the belief in the existence of many Gods, but practicing an exclusive cult to one of them. _Monotheism_ is what we know. We can see the transformation towards monotheistic-kind ideals and messianic-kind of cults in the _Logos_ of Heraclitus, the platonic _World of Ideas,_ or the Orphic Cult that is a lot similar to christian mythology and doctrines. But you've also the monotheism of Akhenaton (maybe the first historical monotheism ever) in Ancient Egypt, or the Zoroastrism which was a reform of an indo-aryan religion that had a lot in common with the Vedas religion. For me its very obvious that christian mythology is a syncretism of everything was circulating in that geographical area at that time. The idea of the chosen one, the God that dies and reborn is yet in the egyptian Osiris as well as the Orphic tradition. The Saint Spirit incarnated in a white pigeon that impregnates the Virgin Mary, is an allusion to the very popular and old myths of Gods transforming into animals or things to delude and rape women that those Gods wanted to have sex with. Jesus Christ is a kind of semi-God like Heracles or somebody similar--Spengler already realized this in his posthumous work _Frühzeit der Welgeschichte,_ and in that work Spengler shifts a little bit towards a theory similar to the Jasper's Axial Age.

[@Amidalan]

Who are '3 Graces Media'? Is it a KZbin channel or something? I can't find anything about them online. Maybe I am out of the loop or something.

[@johnebert5627]

They're on Substack.

[@rustyapellido4611]

@@johnebert5627 Can you share a link or something I'm having trouble finding them there.

[@Ethan-fh9lq]

@@johnebert5627 I still haven’t been able to find them after searching substack. Would you perhaps be able to add a link in the description, if you have the chance? Great interview so far (I’m only 20 minutes in rn), and I’d love to check out their other content. Not sure if maybe they changed their publication name or something.

[@bubbo9419]

@@Ethan-fh9lq theyre called cosmographics on substack

[@Ethan-fh9lq]

@@bubbo9419 thanks!

[@josephmelton4721]

I don’t think Native American mythology has to do anything with western civilization at large.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

Maybe in the past as a whole, but I'm not so sure about that nowadays. Its clear that Native American mythology is breaking through into the American psyche. At the same time, it seems America is the final civilizational portion of the Western civilization and is to form the "universal state". Even now, America's influence is still enormous in the world, especially culturally, so Native American myths would act through the American forms and be exported onto the broader representation of the Western civilization and by proxy, the rest of the world.

[@abereid4315]

@@bonbon__candy__1the rest of the world has much stronger cultural immune systems.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@abereid4315 Explain please

[@abereid4315]

​@@bonbon__candy__1they're more rooted and resistant to encroaching or invasive cultures. an example of this could be the crusades resistance against islam, the failed white revolution in iran to westernize them, germanic resistance to encroaching roman empire, or the greek city states stand against the persian empire.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@abereid4315 You think this is true even today? When I look at Iran (online), they seem to be destroying themselves (Westernizing), same with Saudi Arabia, etc.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

John, Is it possible to ask the God-being to annihilate my soul if I no longer want to do this whole reincarnation thing? Or just, what happens if I no longer want to reincarnate anymore, and/or I'm happy with my progress and don't need absolute perfection of my soul.

[@aeschylus2859]

You say that spirit guides are disappointed when someone commits suicide because it’s similar to dropping out of a class that the guides put a lot of work in designing. I wonder, is suicide always a revolt against the life’s plan? I thought suicide would be part of the package in some way. The idea of being able to interfere with the life’s pre-ordained plan during the incarnation is an interesting snag.

[@johnebert5627]

It's not usually part of the plan because it's counter productive and you will just have to repeat the same challenge all over again if you don't successfully come through it. (This does not apply to terminal illness, which is another matter). It's usually an act of freewill rather than part of the pre-agreed challenge. Everybody does it at some point along the way and the Guides realize that and factor it in. Sometimes an overly ambitious soul will want to try and heap on too many difficulties and the Guides may try to warn them that they're taking on too much but sometimes the soul doesn't listen because it's too enthused about taking on specific life challenges to see if they can be successfully mastered.

[@rustyapellido4611]

this was a great conversation, where can I find 3 Graces Media to hear more from them?

[@mylesraymond7364]

John David Ebert is simultaneously one of the smartest guys you’ll ever meet and one of the dumbest. The way he swallows all this woo woo nonsense hook, line and sinker is just….embarrassing.

[@peachy7776]

nice girls though

[@williamgass9242]

The aromas in that room are probably great.

[@HillaryCrafts]

Oh my gawd

[@pedrop218]

Gass would be unironically proud of that comment

[@williamgass9242]

@@pedrop218 which comment?

[@pedrop218]

@@williamgass9242 "the aromas in that room are probably great".

[@williamgass9242]

@@pedrop218 right. That's what I'd imagine. Girls love their perfume and shit.

[@86Maldoror86]

@1:40:49 I'd rather have a good will than a free will, but even better would be freedom from the will entirely. Freedom from the will that is constantly disturbed via its innate function of stirring up the abyssal maelstrom, in addition to all the corresponding modes that would impart a nemesis due to the will's absence. The essence of free will appears to me just as tyrannical as determinism, since they both emerge out of the sea of disquiet. I prefer a soteriology where all are able to transcend the will and necessity itself, instead of remaining forever condemned to the need to choose. If our soul is hellbent on experiencing every permutation of being, how is this not the ultimate form of possession? Possession of soul, mind, and body, a sort of overwhelming Lovecraftian impetus that compels and permeates every level of being to play out these vain recurring dramas of privation, desire, fulfillment, attachment, ennui, death and transfiguration.

[@johnebert5627]

Free will is an essential part of the process. You exercise your free will BEFORE you incarnate by choosing what kind of life you're going to have. Is it going to be easy? Absurdly difficult? Or just mildly so? Or what? That's up to your soul. YOU choose your life. Then once you are incarnate you use your free will again to respond to the circumstances of the choices that you have made.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

Are you Eastern European by any chance?

[@86Maldoror86]

​@@johnebert5627 I understand what you mean when you say that we are engaging in free will prior to our incarnations and while we're incarnated. My question is, can this whole process be transcended? Or are we forever prisoners within in this game of playing one-up with our soul for the sake of fine tuning its evolution? When the ineffable One, that which everything emanated from, is already perfect. I'm inclined to agree with Schopenhauer regarding the will when he said: “Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills”, however, I would also extend this conclusion to the planes of being prior and post incarnation that are still under the sway of being compelled to choose. I'm haunted by the analogy that keeps appearing to me; That is of the long hand of a clock extending to the furthest edge of the periphery, away from the center fulcrum, laboring its way towards the top of the hour only to circle back over and over again in vain. The essence of perpetually falling into consciousness is ignorance (primordial agnosis), since the One has no need/want of anything, for the One is omni-transcendent. There is only attribution that instigates the condition of disharmony between the fallen state of necessity and the unification of the whole. As a result of this fallen state, the curse of perpetually generating transient phenomena is invoked. I see a transcendental solution to this in an omega point, where the telos of all matter is to find permanent rest and resignation from its indivisible dynamicism of excited states with brief sojourns of rest... Dynamicism being concordant with modulation, renders the undermining of exertion through its own exponential consumption and expenditure of energy, both conversely and inversely setting the stage for entropic inevitability. In conjunction with this telos, it becomes incumbent on all who are embodied, all who are a prisoner within the cyclical process of consubstantiation, to inevitably find salvific liberation through apophasis. Peeling away and doing away with every layer of being, ego, and mode of being, bringing to a close the oscillation between opposites. In summary, to be permanently at rest and as close to the center fulcrum (source) is divinity. To expend spirit/energy becoming restless (burning fuel) leading away from the center fulcrum (source) is evil. Returning to this centeredness reveals itself to be the most genuine good, The Summum bonum of undifferentiated bliss, by remaining on the precipice of the eye of the needle. It isn't "nothing" but rather not-a-thing.

[@86Maldoror86]

@@bonbon__candy__1 No, I'm American. But my paternal lineage is from Italy and Spain and my maternal lineage is completely from Italy.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

After watching this video about an hour in, I think I'm an atheist again.

[@threeblindchickens]

lmao

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@threeblindchickens Just finished watching the entire video. I'm on the verge of changing my profile picture to that atomic whirl thing that all the new atheist guys that were raised in some messed up Christian ultra-fundamentalist households have.

[@johnebert5627]

Then that's your choice. But it's the wrong choice.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

@@threeblindchickens eyyy lmao

[@threeblindchickens]

@@neo-filthyfrank1347 epic. why are you here?

[@bwg1677]

"movies are like public dreams" 1:12:40

[@bonbon__candy__1]

How much does an astrology reading with Mr. Ebert cost?

[@bathcat3759]

I believe $150. Could even be $100

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@bathcat3759 LOL SCAMMED. But I feel better for whoever spent that much money on an astrology reading because he's just gonna use it to buy another medium (another scam). Its scammers scamming each other all the way through 😓 Should probably be banned or regulated.

[@abereid4315]

i enjoyed but this talk felt full of errors. the critique of christianity for example felt polemic like nietzsche. also islam is still present over a thousand years later as the dominant culture of regions of its conquest and spread, which overlapped the so called native cultures in those places, like Iran for instance.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

absolutely agree

[@johnebert5627]

No, that's not correct. When you use the word "Islam" you have to be more specific than that, since there are many Islams and each species exists under the geographical influence of a particular mythological zone. Persian Shi'ite Islam is not the same Islam as Arabic Sunni Islam, for instance. The Fatimids are not the same as the Ummayyads or the Abassids. Spanish Islam is a very different development than Middle Eastern Islam. Also any informal "talk" is going to contain errors. This was not a lecture submitted to a panel but an informal dialogue. This was also not an interview on the subject of Christianity, which I am perfectly well prepared to go into. I just pointed to Nietzsche as the starting point of a devastating deconstruction of it.

[@bwg1677]

one of JDE's past literary selves is THE JUDGE!...but wow, this is an amazing conversation about things I've never heard about before

[@lando6583]

Imagine what someone like Hitler or Genghis Khan had to go through after they died!

[@GigachadMMA69]

JDE is the most interesting man on youtube

[@mongolianqwerty123]

Him and Jason James Bickford (tho he's more obscure)

[@DHU11]

These chicks are from twitter right? I recognize 2/3 of them from twitter fml

[@stroking.gnosis9301]

based cult leader john

[@CastleClique]

JDE is the only astrologer I trust

[@johndavidebert]

For good reason!

[@jamesthornton3539]

Is that Chloe and bimbo? Lol

[@DHU11]

yea lol it is

[@DHU11]

Random af, did not expect this crossover

[@pedrom8831]

Hey John DE, a couple of questions I have. I do find your views very interesting and I’m open to all kinds of weird and wonderful stuff these days, but… Scholars like Gregory Shushan (who’s done a huge amount of cross-cultural study of NDEs) say the life review isn’t as common as was previously thought. Apparently in some cultures it doesn’t appear at all. Wondering what you make of that? Also, there are dozens of KZbin channels these days dedicated to quite horrifying NDEs, many of which contain Jesus figures. When analysed though these Jesuses contradict each other profoundly when it comes to details of the afterlife. Some give tours of eternal hell, some affirm reincarnation. It’s a mess, and it’s very alarming. I don’t know if I can trust anything these days. If there are powerful beings who can masquerade as Jesus, or if we can project these figures using our thoughts, how on earth can we ever know what is truly benevolent, and not just a trick or illusion. I wonder what you make of these things. Thanks for reading, if you made it!

[@johndavidebert]

Shushan is wrong. It's a standard and absolutely necessary thing that all souls must go through, as it's the whole point: reviewing how you think you did.

[@johndavidebert]

As for the horrifying experiences: yes, they happen. There are some rough neighborhoods in the astral plane, but it is your own thoughts that attract that. Your beliefs when you die determine what kind of experiences you're going to have. If you die believing in Christianity, you will have Christian experiences on the other side. Robert Monroe calls these "belief territory zones." Over there, what you think in your mind is immediately exteriorized as your "reality" experience.

[@pedrom8831]

@@johndavidebert Hi John, thanks for getting back to me. These are important matters, to my mind anyway. I’m not sure what you mean by saying Shushan is wrong. He’s really just reporting his findings from his extensive study across cultures. He’s actually very hesitant to inject his personal opinions into his work, which is probably one of the reasons he’s so well respected. I’m not sure I know of an NDE scholar who’s done such a thorough cross-cultural and historical analysis of the phenomenon, so I’m curious to know what you mean by that. He’s not presenting a hypothesis, he’s merely studying the prevalence of the life review across thousands of available testimonies.

[@hyper_modern5071]

Wheres the onlyfans ?

[@aek12]

Lunacy

[@johndavidebert]

No, more like clear and total sobriety. You've been brainwashedsd.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

Next time you talk to one of your mediums, can you please ask one of them how to cure terminal cancer or congenital heart disease in little babies if they are so benevolent and know so much? Surely, you don't think that babies should suffer such things and you're not against healthcare and helping people reduce suffering right (you're not glorifying it right?)? After all, some incarnate "too hard into their body" (roughly your own words) and therefore, even THEY THEMSELVES didn't desire it. Surely, a medium could tell when a baby's soul didn't desire this and we can use medicine to cure them, if only your all-good God-being and super-intelligent creatures of the other world would tell us so that we can end the indescribable pain and suffering of so many.

[@johnebert5627]

No that's not how karma works. People who incarnate choose to have those illnesses before they actually take on physical form. Each illness comes with its own karmic lessons, just like each race does, or each gender. It all depends on what lessons the soul needs to learn in each particular incarnation.

[@bonbon__candy__1]

@@johnebert5627 The implication of this is that we do not need to develop any medicines anymore, because people just choose to experience these diseases and their pains with them, and according to you "we all end up experiencing everything". There seems to be evidence that even Chimpanzees invent medicine in the form of herbs to treat diseases. So if Chimpanzees are literally inventing medicine, then I don't know what that says about your system...

[@truthoverlies1820]

The dynamics in this are all wrong. A man should never agree to be interviewed by 3 women simultaneously..makes a mockery of the masculine feminine dynamic

[@melnick1985]

Ya but they are young and hot.

[@truthoverlies1820]

@@melnick1985 this was partially my point...a red blooded man would be fighting his natural instincts thus making concentrating on the conversation difficult..even if they weren't attractive, taking young women seriously isn't conducive to a functional society

[@johnebert5627]

Didn't feel that way to me. The energies felt fun, light and full of curiosity.

[@KaiserTheAdversary]

@@melnick1985The rightmost one in particular 😋

[@crates12]

Agreed there was distracting masculine/feminine energy interactions

[@threeblindchickens]

Now this... is cringe

[@threeblindchickens]

@@voncrowne6603 twitter e-girls are beyond my comprehension. lol