My Converter Problem is SOLVED! Way Lower Temps!!

[@metrickarma]

Love the transparency, can't wait to see what you do with that line2line coating in the future! Coating oil pumps sounds interesting

[@j.sarnak1391]

I wonder if Kyle was able to film any of the process?? I wonder how different it is from just basic powder coating?

[@riccocool]

​@@j.sarnak1391I'm guessing it's similar to what dry coatings they use on bearings. Guy I know builds Ford FEs and uses only coated bearings.

[@francisbeaudry8598]

yes i am very inpress by ta stuf coating

[@ericjohnson9289]

I'll bet that is the same issue with Cletus engine with all his problems with the torque converter shoving the crank .ps love your videos and merchandise great stuff Thank You for teach an old retired Navy vet 🇺🇸⚓️💯😎

[@chadp6307]

Amazing that like so often in life, little things can make such a big difference. Can't wait to see the results manifested on the track.

[@thomasmacklin-k8e]

Proving once again that size DOES matter

[@UncleManuel]

So everything works now with clearances recommended by the manufacturer? What a shocking surprise... 😁 Yeah yeah, I know - Steve already got the critical info from Rossler himself. But that shows that even an educated assumption can cause lots of problems. And I love that Steve doesn't hide "failures" and shows ALL the stuff that can happen with racing cars. 😎🤟

[@robertdemers8508]

Glad all your ducks are lining up Steve. I'm also glad your luck is changing for the better. You deserve it.

[@jedidiahvette3924]

Im glad you mentioned that it was going to be hard to read temp because it was shiny. I imagine a lot of people don’t know that about those temp guns. You can always spray paint a small spot on a shiny surface where you want to read temps.

[@FU-Utube]

Since it's IR you need to pay attention to the IR reflectivity. If you have copper and a thermal camera, it's like looking in a mirror. I think it was either copper or gold that had near perfect reflectivity. (Pretty sure it's gold hence the JWST mirrors)

[@GTRliffe]

there’s 3/10ths improvement over the quarter with that colder converter thinner oil equals more slip

[@micahbuchheit1283]

I smiled when he said that, i was thinking the same thing you did.

[@garretthoffman8475]

FACTS

[@truegret7778]

Whoot whoot !!! Problem solved. The temperature required to work the converter case to be nearly 1,000deg is crazy. That is a great testimony to the transmission oil you use. Can't wait to see the next round of racing. Go get 'em.

[@gregfermo469]

I'm glad you got it fixed, Steve. Thank you for taking the time to explain and share the process.

[@thomasmacklin-k8e]

The cause and effect process and deductive reasoning in this series has been awesome. Coupled with input from others and the transparency provided is priceless from a viewers perspective. Thankyou so much.

[@No1cares85]

Steve, I hate you had all these troubles, But I am so glad that you shared the process. I build transmissions for a living, I love that you shared the process that goes into fixing or figuring out a problem. I mostly build stock units but I still run into issues that have never been seen. This whole process is how we all get better at our jobs. Thank you again for this whole process!

[@davidwelsh829]

So happy to see that the struggle is over with the dam converter temps. Good luck this weekend from Alaska.

[@douglashartsaw3286]

Thank you for sharing your journey with us. The good, bad, and ugly. I love the human aspect you allow everyone to see. It's not just glory pics, and you beating your chest. Highlights, and the lowlights. Thank you for being honest, and humble in your greatness.

[@MsTex323c]

Awesome! I'm glad to hear you got that converter heating issue resolved. Note: from my experience, infrared heat guns do not work on anything shiny as you found out when checking trans pan. Spray a little flat black high temperature paint to do quick checks for those shiny surfaces. I use a piece of cardboard for a small circle template to spray. Love watching your vids!

[@garynelson3425]

Still love that you film it live no retaking. Keep doing what you do !!! And good luck this weekend !!!

[@tobywilliamson5213]

I figured it shouldn’t get above 220 degrees , but the main thing is you figured it out and learned from it , that’s what counts… Also it’s trial and error and good luck you the man Steve !!!

[@EASTSIDERIDER707]

and...he’s shared what he’s learned and the process with other racers. Now everyone moves ahead.

[@mrd.808]

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experiences , Boss Morris 🤙🏽

[@colbylux-hale5561]

Have ol' Cleetus put a flat edge across the back of the crank flange. Take a measurement of the distance between the back of the block and the face of the crank with a caliper. That way, you can record those numbers for future reference between runs of blocks and further dial in your program. Always love the transparency! -Colby @LUXFAB

[@alanhill5513]

I think he has Cletus’ motor(his old motor) at the shop now! That’s a fantastic idea. He can measure it after pulling it off the dyno I hope he see’s this and can send out a TSB to all the customers that received one of the new style blocks from this batch

[@colbylux-hale5561]

@alanhill5513 I know I, myself, have never been told to check anything other than converter clearance from the flexplate to the face of the converter. Is it just under a certain number you're going to cut off flow? Is there a maximum number that you don't want to exceed? Also, exactly what to what needs measured. Can that be shown in more detail, please? This is the main and only feed for the converter? I always make sure we have 0.125" to 0.187" clearance flywheel to converter when slid back. Again, I was never told to measure anything else, and never heard of anyone else talking about it. Clearly, don't want to ever get that wrong.

[@chrisanderson1077]

I hope you and Kyle have a great weekend of racing! Looking forward to seeing the results for both of you.

[@NastyZ28-MY2NDAMD]

Glad you got it figured out Steve. You also changed to the hard line which I doubt made any impact but it helped ease the mind. Good luck this weekend and stay safe!

[@louiscoryell5058]

Congratulations! Looks good. Thanks to Rossler for the converter spacing info.

[@g0fvt]

Very well done Steve, the comment section is your cloud brain, looking forward to see the times you run. losing 15% of slip is gaining you more power than any of my cars have ever had.

[@wobblysauce]

Slip on condition can be good, traction for days

[@padders1068]

Steve! Great critical thinking! You can tell it's Steve Morris, when he (genuinely, modestly & humbly) mentions 2700HP and speeds of around 218mph as if they're insignificant. Good work Steve, thanks for sharing and can't wait to see the Wagon back to being Bad Ass!

[@brianeffler7835]

Hopefully the weather will cooperate and allow some great passes. Looking forward to seeing how it improves. Best of wishes for you.

[@davidbarnsley8486]

The right clearance is absolutely critical 👍👍🇦🇺

[@charleshenshaw9099]

The spacing between the converter and flexplate is critical. Usually when you buy a racing converter it comes with a card/instructions that tells you what spacing they want with that converter. I'm glad that you got it sorted out. That's all that matters.

[@ec3489]

I was way impressed when you got up off the ground after checking temperatures without making some sort of grunting noise 💪

[@ronjones-6977]

I try to only do it when I'm alone.

[@miceinoz1181]

Brilliant outcome! Whoda thunk the TC was too close. When installing my repaired transmissions I am always careful to shim between the TC and drive plate to get the best engagement of the TC into the oil pump gear and have a min 1/8" clearance left without issue. This is on a standard car though, not a 4500HP monster. Looking forward to the track results.

[@Don14320]

thanks for taking us on that journey of discovery on the Tans Temp, never would have thought that would have been an issue. Great job

[@darylmorse]

Glad you have the torque converter sorted out. Looking forward to seeing you hunting for 5s.

[@NunyaBiznass-h6y]

Nice converter temps! I can't wait to a see PB this weekend. Thank you for talking us through all the problem solving.

[@MichaelGerber-mo1sx]

Steve I'm amazed that you can get that big boat Anker going that fast in the 1/4 mile I can only imagine how fast you would be if you had that combination in a smaller and lighter car no wonder tom bailey is so fast your motors are fast great job and good luck racing

[@chrisobrien9334]

Well done mate. I’ll be using all your valuable information when assembling my new engine/trans combination. Thanks. I see Kyles donk is back in. Good stuff. Looking forward to seeing the footage of you two race. Thanks again Support from 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@gilbertwashburn7095]

Yeah the temperature sounds right now that's cool you did it maybe Cletus should check that on his mullet who knows what his training temperature is have a great day thanks for the inspiration

[@stephenhans189]

Good 👍 job Steve! I knew that the temperature would drop off by300degrees + Thanks for sharing. ❤ Dewey

[@roadrunner4404]

The Wagon will fly! Win win. I wondered about the lack of rpm drops on shifts in the videos. But assumed it was just my audio. Hope it really hits the tires n launches extra well

[@rolliefoster2837]

...good for you man ! Awesome support from Carl & Marty to get this figured out !...

[@superhero092008]

I use a Sharpie to make a black spot on reflective surfaces for consistent thermal gun temperature readings. You also always measure the same spot, so that helps increase the consistency.

[@br549rdr]

So cool taking us along for this trip. Thank you

[@h.h.legacydiesel6724]

Thanks again Steve, you the man! When it comes to transparency & sharing. Wishing that you and Kyle have a safe and record quick, oh and record fast race weekend! You two have learned a truck load this year! All the best to you and your family. ✌🏻❤️🤘👍🏻😎 🇨🇦.

[@ryanburkett3227]

I love seeing the hinges for rear doors. Good stuff.

[@phish32786]

Casual 2800HP pull. Love it! Glad you got it figured out good luck this weekend!!!!!

[@RobbieRobsProductions]

I absolutely love the machinist over engineering mindset here. If you're an engineer and you have access to speak with the machinists, please do! The collaboration is a huge benefit to cost and manufacturability. Good day people 🤘

[@markhoff5205]

Great Job figuring your problem out!!! Good Luck this weekend!!!

[@jasonhaley5737]

I found the exact same issue with converter clearance after watching your last video. Hopefully fixing it will solve some of the issues I've been having with my car.

[@jimkillen1065]

Congratulations on finding the root cause of the high oil temps on the convertor. To be honest all i ever been told was about how the contacts area of the front pump gears .. Have you given any thought about using a lock up convertor. Thanks for the videos

[@paulshannon4576]

Congratulations 🍾 on finding the problem and good luck racing.

[@richardmorton1310]

Good luck to you and Kyle this weekend. Cool info, and amazing how 0.1 can be the cause of 700 degrees.

[@MsLoneWolf4]

glad you done fixed in time for racing this weekend. also no the bits that you did to fix the flow corrected loading issue similarly to having some backpressure to increase hp by forcing engine to work instead of free spooling passed the zone straight into rev limiter

[@speedmetalgarage2185]

Glad you got it sorted out Steve and good luck with it this weekend! Love the B Bodies- I have a ‘96 Buick Roadmaster Sedan begging for a turbo LS 😄

[@CLCIII]

More Space + More flow = Mo Betta! So glad you figured this one out. Looking forward to the next 1320 run! Big "W" on the way!

[@monkeyingaround436]

You have a fluid dyno strapped to the back of the motor. the fluid couldnt escape, so it was absorbing the hp, causing the slow spool. That is what caused the fluid temp rise, the horsepower is being transferred to heat.

[@KPSchleyer]

It was actually stopping the fluid from entering the converter. Which caused the fluid that was in there to super heat, because there was no "new fluid" to push the hot fluid out.

[@11kungfu11]

It was a block bypass he cleaned in the last video

[@bradley3549]

@@11kungfu11 No it wasn't the bypass, it was the converter to pump endplay that was preventing adequate fluid flow from the transmission through the converter.

[@NeverEnoughPyro40]

@11kungfu11 I think all of you are confusing Steve’s problem with Cletus‘s problem! Either way judging by your comments none of you have any idea what you are actually talking about, Just repeating what you heard in the video! I mean really half of you can’t even complete a sentence that makes any sense!

[@nothing2loud]

Would love to see that thing in person. Ever plan on coming to to around Kansas City MO?

[@merlepatterson]

It might be spooling quicker because there's more torque the converter is supplying at lower rpm because it isn't slipping as much now and the engine is off-gassing higher exhaust pressure sooner? Just a guess though.

[@scotthultin7769]

2👍's up Steve Morris thank you for sharing

[@atflokee]

Awesome news! I predict the wagon is going to go sub six second passes

[@Rusty.1776]

Glad to hear! Good luck this weekend!

[@justinfranz1375]

Glad to see the car is finally coming around! Question about checking converter slip on the hub dyno, since the load on the car isn’t the same as when it’s making a pass, is that converter slip % still accurate? Since the hubs could put more/less load on the driveline

[@wideslammer]

I'm sure the person who suggested the use of the heat gun smiled when you did just that. It's also nice that you gave credit to a viewer making a useful suggestion rather than just using it with no attribution.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

Old mechanic rule.. "What did you change last?" (Bell housing distance?) Looks like you nailed it. 👍

[@joetate8563]

Chargers tend to spool better when the convertor applies the load properly. Sounds way more linear. Good job working through this issue!

[@NeverEnoughPyro40]

@joetate8563 Super chargers do not need to spool up, Superchargers RPMs is determined by the RPMs of your engine, Which means The rate in which your SC increases is determined on how fast your engines RPMs increase! As the load on your engine increases vacuum starts to decrease and your blow off or bypass valve starts to close and then you will start making boost! Either way when I leave the line my SC is producing power instantaneously, There is no need to sit at the line with the pedal to the floor waiting for anything to spool, Super chargers work much differently than turbos! With a supercharger if you rev your engine to redline your supercharger will be spinning at maximum RPMs instantaneously, There is no spooling with SCs! Why do think people In the 1980s and 90s preferred superchargers or nitrous over turbos, The technology with turbos was not perfected and everyone always complained about the lag turbos had! In my area almost every mustang had either a Vortech or Paxton on it, I know this because I am a mechanic and I did almost all of the installs, There was no KZbin for people to watch and learn the information needed!

[@finscreenname]

The temp numbers you were saying before just floored me and I know jack crap about transmissions. Glad you got them under control.

[@mikeweber5382]

Nice, the wagon is back! I really enjoyed watching you work through the problem, good stuff all the time. I have learned so much watching you work, keep it up. Long live The Wagon!

[@bradinch1563]

so glad you got it fixed, good luck this weekend. transmission cover ???????????

[@donmathias1705]

Quite the journey. Have you ever put your engine on a shaker table. These put the whole package thru a whole range of frequencies and watch all the connections and how they behave. You might be stunned to see what happens to wires and pipes as frequencies change and match the natural frequency that can set up a shake. Stops silly stuff happening like busted wires or hoses working loose.

[@raindeergames6104]

What a awesome learning curve. And Steve takes us all along for the journey.🙌. Less slip...holds onto the motor better meaning motor sees more load and therefore spools better?

[@1234567890CAB]

One thing about spooling quicker: heat is energy. If the flow through the converter was restricted and the converter was trying to pump or suck fluid and causing it to cavitate, the expansion and collapse of the cavitation bubbles were converting a good amount of the HP from the motor into heat instead of rotational energy. Now that the converter is working properly and fulid is able to move freely through the converter, it is most likely no longer cavitating and so more energy can be converted into rotational energy than can be converted into heat or thermal energy.

[@rickcbr900rr]

I'm glad you found it, it's been a struggle but you nailed it !

[@russelbarns1737]

Great video Steve...Hope it solves the issues...sounds like it well 👍

[@matthewsherfy8439]

Thank you Steve for the updates . U make my work days fly by when I watch them at work

[@beckyumphrey2626]

Excellent content. Thank you.

[@garybrugone433]

So glad you figured it out. Stay Blessed and Safe.

[@bigblockjess617]

LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!! the boostmaster class is in session!

[@keithcollins6642]

Yes! Glad you figured it out 👍🏻

[@chief3378]

It's amazing the little things that fix a big problem I see Kyle's doing the finishing touches on his car good luck this weekend hope everything works out

[@directorwiechern1474]

That is good news, finally running a lot cooler. Get out there an have some fun times. Cheers

[@arvelchurchill]

The snout on the crank could be longer on the new motor. That would push the torque converter out farther than on the cleetus motor. Just a thought.

[@cjespers]

Thanks for the video. Love to see ya smiling, Steve.

[@c103110a]

It reminds me of how important the pushrod length between a power brake booster and master cylinder is. That drove me crazy for a few weeks - I got it right finally.

[@NeverEnoughPyro40]

@c103110a That is the problem with everyone going to KZbin watching a video and then thinking that they are actual mechanics! I can’t remember when the last time I have watched a how to video where every piece of information was given in order for a person to complete a job properly and have it last! Almost all of the how to videos are made by an average person who has learned how to do something by watching another video, These are KZbinrs pretending to be mechanics! Even Steve will never tell you everything needed for a person to just go and do it themselves! I love watching videos where people keep saying how mechanics overcharge and are no longer needed, The funny thing is people don’t know what they don’t know! Sure you may get the job done but will it last in stand the test of time, Is it going to be reliable are you going to have any issues will the part fail because you were not told about one simple thing! I have been a mechanic for over 26 years and I have owned my own business for the past 10, I can’t even count how many customers have come to my shop because they tried to fix their own vehicle by watching a KZbin video and screwed something up! People think that they are saving money but a lot of the times it actually ends up costing them more! that was a rookie mistake that you made, You may think that it’s no big deal and you caught it! I have seen that exact same thing happened to a customer the only problem is he did not find out until his brakes locked up at 60 MPH! Because yes when using KZbin to educate yourself it is filled with a bunch of KZbinrs thinking that they are mechanics, If they were they would either be working in a shop or they would own their own shop! Good luck

[@markbrown6236]

Amassing story, was nice following the whole thing over many videos. Thanks for taking us along.

[@clay4802]

Less fluid load from tourque converter to tran. It's like hydraulic resistance if it moves freely less resistance. When you restricted the holes to the converter more drag on the motor

[@terrybeggs8169]

Thanks for keeping us informed. Awesome

[@dmonat]

Makes real good sense. I had a car that was V8 swapped and the fools dropped the motor/tranny in, pushed it all the way back, and welded the mounts. Driveshaft destroyed the tranny real quick.

[@danstraub606]

steve, you may want to look at a CMM machine that will check parts that are made outside your shop or inside. once you program it for checking any part it will check to one tenth of a thousanth on holes & surfaces. it would have picked that block shortness aprox 1/8 right away. work off the dowels on your block

[@donanything6816]

Congrats!! Man o man it's going to be a record weekend, can hardly wait. Hopefully a lot of video for all of us. Thanks for the video.

[@TexRobNC]

I showed this to my wife, and she said, "Oh my God, that thing is powerful!" and then I told her what it goes up to. I don't think I've ever seen a woman stunned about car info before, usually she just doesn't care or it's not a big enough number to impress her.

[@ihatejoze]

So cool watching all the trials and tribulations and I appreciate all the info you share with us. Glad you got this sorted!

[@awphillips84]

Torque converters can expand! Love the content Steve breaks up the monotony of being a dealer service tech for me.

[@vehdynam]

Great news ! Sounds like the issue is resolved , and I can't wait to see how that translates into better performance. Thanks Steve , always appreciated.

[@ryno6101]

Great find Sound solution Have a great time at the track

[@knoblis]

Steve, if the converter is having less slippage, makes sense that it puts a lot more load on your engine during 2-step, and hence spools faster.

[@weshoward1984]

2700+ HP...eh that's an easy hit, that's nothing... lol love it 🇺🇸🤘🦅🏁

[@jennajones2155]

Glad to see your issue getting solved. Wishing you some safe and carnage free racing this weekend Steve!!

[@KPaul7]

Well we all learned something! You shouldn't even have had to use the heat Lazer. People should know that your as honest as they come by now. The person that suggested it probably already knows that and just wanted to help to prove that point. I love learning here. Thanks Steve ❤️

[@HighMXHubby]

Congratulations!!! Boostmaster is back putting those corn squeezin's to great use!

[@ducrider123]

An Inferred temperature gun does not read stainless very good because of its reflective properties, and you also have to account for the time for heat transfer thru the housing.

[@NeverEnoughPyro40]

@ducrider123 You must have came from Cletus’s page! First of all Cletus is a KZbinr who plays around pretending to be a mechanic, Steve is an actual mechanic who specializes in high HP boosted engines who just happens to video his work! Do you really think that you could possibly tell him something that he doesn’t already know, Also did you watch the video or are you just an idiot! If you are able to pay attention long enough he actually says that it is going to be hard to get a proper reading due to the shiny surface! Fucking KZbin people watch a few videos and now everyone thinks that they are fucking master mechanics!

[@maegenyoungs2591]

It’s kinda good those pieces were in the converter, it started you down the path of dialing this in, this makes you wonder how many people are having the same issues you battled and accepting that the high heat is because of high horsepower.

[@tomcoon9038]

Under-rated comment.

[@lightfighter540]

This is why I come here. The more I watch, the more I like your content. Thank you so much... I think I need a new tshirt.

[@AndyFromm]

Sounds like the lack of clearance caused low fluid flow which caused cavitation and super heating.

[@randallmason9687]

Cavitation is powerful! I work on large pumps, and it is amazing to see how fast it can destroy the impeller!

[@danmyers9372]

That’s what I was thinking too.

[@davidblair6306]

yeah it's all about flow

[@danmyers9372]

So now that you have solved the converter fluid/slippage issue I’m guessing you are going to have to make some pretty big changes to your tune next time out.😮

[@remb1500]

That’s really the only thing that could cause that heat besides friction from materials but I think that was ruled out.

[@wayno23]

Hope you both have a great weekend of racing...send it 🤘

[@montestu5502]

Continuous improvement! Luv it.