my deal-breakers for stanning a new kpop group

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[@PlanetMinjae]

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[@Vektorix28205]

Deal-breaker for me: underage members. If a group has members under the age of 16, it is a hard no for me. I seriously do not think it is right to put anyone that young into the high-pressure environment of bring a debuted idol. If there are members aged 16-17 - I may be a bit more flexible but would still have serious reservations about a group. Obviously there isn't a magic switch that flips on your 18th birthday (or any arbitrary date) but the older someone is the more likely that they truly understand what they are getting into.

[@cometgravity]

i was gonna say the same thing! honestly at this point i don't have much tolerance for idols under 17. there's getting to be a Lot of idols much younger than that and it's kind of disturbing. don't know if anyone else has been paying attention to the lapillus member announcements but they have a 2008 liner in there!!! she's THIRTEEN YEARS OLD!! that is WAY too young to be entering the kpop industry and i'm both concerned for her and really sus of MLD entertainment for this one. it's so bad

[@KaguyaHimex]

Yeah no I totally agree. Idc if they’re doing the most innocent concept and dressed completely age appropriately, it’s weird as fuck especially with the toxic way idols are treated behind the scenes. This is why I won’t even stream Class:y music, the concept is just so off putting to me

[@bvnditbul7039]

Yep 100% agree. I refuse to support this bs

[@sour.lemonny8344]

@@KaguyaHimex it's a shame really, I watched the show and I really like the older members like Chaewon and Hyungseo, but their youngest members are TOO young, it puts me off so much. I wish they didn't have a whole kindergarten-grade in the show

[@brianj439]

This exact reason is why I know NOTHING about Class:Y.

[@iexist8099]

Title tracks are like the first thing that should attract fans. If the title track isn't all that good. no one would really want to check out their stuff.

[@seo7263]

i agree. like for me, personally there were a lot of groups who's besides I liked more that tt

[@anotherone8941]

well, in my particular case the opposite happens. Whenever i hear a title track that i don't like, i go to the EP to see if there's any bside that's better than the title track Even though, i completely understand why someone would lost their interest in a group if their title track is not good

[@jhm2732]

sadly the first thing is usually popularity, like some people would literally stan because they sell a lot even if their music sucks

[@kimdaniel2601]

Agree. Sometimes title tracks are the only songs I like but I’m not motivated to listen to B sides if the title track isn’t good.

[@fallingxflowers]

Agree, this is why IVE is one of my ults

[@juney5023]

My biggest deal-breaker is a scandal involving bullying, racism, or sexism. If an idol is rumored to be rude or have the "celebrity disease" I'm skeptical of him or her.

[@somethingisnotrighthere3831]

this the one 😭 It’s unfortunate because there are so many great artists that I can’t bring myself to like because they are repeat offenders when it comes to discrimination or just being terrible people.

[@Havis_Princess]

Personally it's not a dealbreaker for me bc I watch and stan bc I love the music

[@raerohan4241]

Wait so allegations and rumors alone are enough to put you off? Sorry if I misunderstood, but the way your comment is worded makes it seem that way

[@sasindiudagedara6920]

I'm the same, but there has been so many scandals like that that turned out to be fake, so I usually think twice before I believe them now.

[@kaskaskas]

yep that's what put me off of red velvet.

[@KaguyaHimex]

My dealbreaker is constant/major member lineup changes or hiatuses, especially if the agency doesn’t communicate what’s happening. It feels very sketchy and like there’s something going on behind the scenes… also why would I put so much effort into stanning a member if they could just disappear in a month? It’s why I can’t stan Momoland or get interested in Blackswan (that and the racism…), and COINCIDENTALLY both those groups are horrifically mismanaged I stan brave girls despite their past lineup changes but BG is its own genre of group

[@Havis_Princess]

SO TRUE.

[@fesyaa]

if your looking for kpop groups that will constantly release songs twice just twice their very hardworking. I'm so exited for nayeons debut honestly-

[@theworldof11]

i can't help but stan some nugu groups (die hard guardian, even though Angelrus is pre-debut) their company ahs already had a group to debut and then suddenly disband them before debit, and Angelrus has already ahd a total line up change (though it was before they ahd any SoMe) and lost 2 members, and it's honestly fishy but also? i love the members

[@melodramatic7904]

@@fesyaa It's not about them being hardworking, it's because JYP Ent tried a new formula with them that worked. Basically, they assigned Twice their own team (songwriters, chreographers, stylists, etc.) instead of them having to share JYP (JYP used to write every single song himself). They do that with every new group now (like Itzy).

[@fesyaa]

@@melodramatic7904 ah ok

[@zeldastraus4136]

I've seen people saying that they don't stan groups with idols younger than 16 and I agree. But another deal-breaker for me is staining a group that I know won't last long. I have zero interest in getting to know kep1er because I know they will soon disband. Iz*one was super popular and they still ended up disbanding. I don't want to get emotionally invested in a group with a short lifespan.

[@audrija9033]

why do you think kepler's going to disband?/gen

[@aheart381]

@@audrija9033 they’re a temporary group made from a survival show

[@nidhi2693]

i agree. i have friends who are over the moon with kep1er and really any survivor show groups but i know most of them won't last. why should i set myself up for disappointment on purpose? i got into wanna one without knowing since i was a new kpop fan but that was the last time. don't get me wrong, i think they are talented but i will not join knowing there's an expiry date.

[@realbigmandan]

I never get emotionally invested in these people because they do not know me and never will. It’s all about the music for me

[@zeldastraus4136]

@@realbigmandan That's a good stance, probably healthier. I like watching K-pop content (variety shows and interaction between members), not just listening to their music. When I watch a lot of content from a group, I find it hard not to get emotionally invested. Though, of course, I am aware I don't actually know them, and they will never know me. I just root a little harder for their success.

[@kuromie9708]

Agreed! I laugh when people say, 'b-b-buh listen to their b-sides', if I don't like the title-tracks at all, there is zero reason for me to invest money into a group.

[@OPPAWONTMARRYYOU]

Plus a group's popularity depends mostly on their title tracks - if they aren't that good, not many people are gonna pay attention->they get less money->they can disband easily, especially girl groups.

[@nthapa2640]

Yes but to continue liking the group once u started liking them, bsides matters. If bsides good u can be fan of them for 4+ years.

[@OrenjiArms]

agreed bsides for me are usually just more reason to get into a group and shouldn't be *the* reason

[@jane5294]

You don't have to spend money on physical albums though. Not everyone has money to spend like that. I've been a multistan for 5 years now and not once have I ever bought merchandise. Just streaming the music and content is enough. Also you shouldn't judge groups based on title tracks alone. I've found that more often than not, hidden gems lie within the b-sides. Lyrics may become more personal therefore relatable as most times idols themselves take part in writing and composing. Always keep an open mind and you don't have to spend excessive amounts of money to show that you're a fan.

[@stefanoraz27]

lucky for me wjsn have really good title tracks AND b-sides

[@jantjenotjanche]

Fandoms sometimes make me hesitant to call myself a stan, because then everyone will assume that I'm part of the fandom. Like, for me personally that's kinda my situation with Stray Kids. The whole Woojin situation made me so damn mad and disgusted and I can't believe that there are still some fans that actually believe the rumors until now. Stray Kids are the group I currently listen to the most and also consume the most content of, but I'm still hesitant to call myself a Stay

[@honeymilk3815]

Right?!? I love skz so much but sometimes I'm just ashamed to be included with those toxic stays. Ofc not everyone is like that which I learnt very late but yeah I pick and choose which stays I follow

[@mycatcalledgoldi8194]

It is the same situation with me but it include also the fact that I started stanning them few months ...

[@innayiiiiiiii]

Yeah. Understable. I have not been a stay since their predebut, but I heard of stories that made some Stays too protective with the kids. Not just Woojin's situation. It had probably peaked at that time, and Kingdom. I think now, Stays, with regards to Woojin, some would react too much nonsense when he's being associated with the kids. I guess some type of territorial-ish. But yeah, I haven't seen any Stays start unnecessary drag with Woojin since the issue was proven false. Just the "he's not in the group anymore" antics. You are very welcome in the fandom if you decide on being one. (For me, it took a lot of blocking, muting on twt to make the tl clear with no toxicity 😭)

[@sayumidalpathadu]

I'm a new stay and I adore stray kids but I am a bit confused on the whole woojin situation..could someone pls explain it to me

[@leabaden5935]

@@sayumidalpathadu Woojin was accused off bullying his members, classmates and i think sexually harassing some women at a party whuch was made up by the women (pictures too) I think some proofed that he wasnt even there on this party at that time etc. . (correct me if i'm wrong ) and the members allegedly hinted that woojin is a bad person (he was quite rough to them , but i think it was more because they are so close so yeah) . Which some sitiations were taken out off context. All allegations were proofen false. Btw i had a more or less and encounter with stays too on tiktok because i asked why everyone is ot8 and not 9 because woojin did nothing wrong. They called me dumb and yeah he is irrelevant (which is not true because no one on this world is irrelevant, and he produced many older stray kids songs which are iconic but yeah)

[@hyomink]

I don't stan nugu groups because I can't deal with the disappointment of watching them disband. They will disband. Usually before 5 years. I've been into kpop since 2008 and I have seen countless nugu groups come out with 2 or 3 bangers and then disband because they don't have the funds to continue. Yall ever heard of Sunny Hill? Fat Cat? GP Basic? Tiny-G? MyB? Led Apple? Probably not because all of these artists never made it big and I feel like I'm one of the only people who remember their music show performances and their (at the time) amazing MVs. I'm so glad that more international kpop stans are into nugu groups but I can't do the same. I only started stanning Seventeen in 2016 because they showed potential. After 2 comebacks I knew that they would last despite coming from a dying company. I don't want to always be anxious whenever I go into their cafe and wonder "Is there going to be a notice of a disbandment?"

[@moonbinisaghostiemermaidpr4950]

Understandable

[@aeryn3043]

Sunny hill will always have some of the best K-pop music

[@thejudgingtrash]

Damn, I remember all of them and it's so sad that so many of them had solid bops and went nowhere. Fat Cat and myB were SOLID

[@fireflieer2422]

true

[@lydu.]

LED APPLE💔💔

[@cabbagejuice]

Theres so much pressure for companies to use the members self written songs bc fans are constantly yelling to let them write their own songs.. but most idols are not good enough as songwriters. They just simply dont have the training or creativity, but i guess its more on the company for not giving them enough training in that area if they want the group to release self written music Plus: so many ppl use the “my bias group writes their own music so they are superior” card which is just weird.. and i could also see it from the angle that the sentiment leans into misogyny in kpop as most ggs are never allowed to get involved in their music. but theres a growing amount of bg members who are allowed to write stuff (ex: yg never credits bp or 2ne1 but all of their bgs are heavily involved/credited) so theres ppl who put self written music on a pedestal and will not even bother to check out ggs bc of it, even tho the kpop industry lobbies against ggs creative freedom

[@akuhappy3246]

Make their own song is good if they are really have the talent. If not, they still has talent in their singing, dancing, etc

[@cabbagejuice]

@@akuhappy3246 yes! I feel like ppl have too much needs for idols to do everything perfectly. They already do so much more than normal celebrities, its ok if they just knowhow to sing or dance well. We shouldnt make the standard for them to be producers/song writers too

[@sharktamer]

it's the halo effect in essence, people act like because their fav is pretty and can sing they must be good at everything.

[@Amanda-ik1wv]

"My bias group writes their own music" might not be a superiority remark but are just proud of them for making their own music that they love and are given the freedom to make. I certainly don't think misogyny has anything to do with it, and it feel weird to me that you brought that up.

[@parurushi]

@@Amanda-ik1wv "i'm proud of [x] for writing this song and taking on a new challenge, it was one of my favs in the album i can't wait to see what they put out next!" is very different from "my fav [x] is better than your fav [y] cause they have credits on their album and [y] isn't" are very different things and op was referring more to the latter mysoginy comes into play when female idols are given less chances to participate in the production and song writting process, so fans who feel superior for stanning self-producing idols look down on girl groups in general because female idols with songwritting credits are less common. it's definitely a minority of fans of self-producing idols/boy groups, but they exist

[@floverclovers]

honestly i feel the same way w the 'i dont like all of the members' thing. i stan some groups where i dont stan all of the members bc of one reason or another, but even if their music is rly good i cant bring myself to ult them. generally my ult list is made up of groups where i could listen to almost all of their discography w/o getting tired of it, and groups where i stan and love them as a whole group

[@leabaden5935]

Defenetly my ult are also my ults because i really connect to the members too like shinee for example.

[@maddiej2165]

Yeah I agree with this one like I sometimes get rubbed the wrong way by a certain member so I can’t stand this group Like if they say something that’s truly questionable then I can’t stan them but maybe their members are amazing

[@bvnditbul7039]

For me it's also if the group only releases singles and EPs. I need artists I like to have an actual musical identity rather than just some random good songs. That's also why it's hard to get fully invested in a new group. Of course i love to see them grow and find themselves but it usually takes a while for me to be truly ride or die

[@Goodbadie]

Fr

[@hipeople9856]

thats part of my issue with newer groups rn, they tend to debut with a single (xdinary heroes for example. I love happy death day but they released that and then went off the radar) and I can't really justify stanning a group if they have literally 2 songs released

[@yammyhoy]

this is one of my issues with kpop in general as i’ve gotten older, no disrespect to the idols themselves but it just seems like any existing 4th gen kpop song could be fully interchangeable with another group, and it would be nice to have more cohesive discographies and not just consistent visuals

[@aeong_bread]

Same. I would much rather prefer a longer, fleshed out album (and maybe a single or two) once a year than a couple singles or EPs. There's a few reasons for this, but a big thing is that It would give the artists proper time to rest between comebacks to properly prepare themselves for a big release, and a single or two yearly won't require nearly the budget or effort a full album takes. The fans get fed and are happy, it gives them time for personal time with family, as well as time for personal goals and other idol related content to promote themselves. It's also a financial thing, because I tend to buy albums I really like. But I only have a few singles, simply for the fact I'd rather get an album that lasts longer than like, 6 minutes... I can get by and accept an EP if there's no skips, but a single is just NOT cutting it if that's all they're putting out.

[@statesofgracie]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again but unstanning or choosing not to stan a group because of the fandom is COMPLETELY VALID. If you are a stan of a group you are part of the fandom and actively interacting with them and I don’t want to be part of a fandom I don’t like. I’m not going to stan a group if I can’t participate in being a stan. A lot of people act like you’re an anti if you use this logic because you can’t “look past the fandom and just enjoy the music” but I do do that it’s just that I casually listen to and enjoy them instead of stanning

[@ex-blinkjisoo1724]

Yup, my experience exactly.

[@solarspowervocalsoutdidyou8594]

again. neglecting actual talent the grp has just because you encountered the shitty part of the fandom is plain dumb

[@rotminsi7790]

exactly

[@ancientmingyu0604]

Absolutely agree

[@itabins]

a deal breaker for me is group dynamic.... there are groups where i can feel like they are just tolerating each other theres no friendship if that makes sense? and its not fun for me to watch their variety stuff.

[@mairamareco8656]

Examples?

[@purpleparadise4094]

I feel that with Red Velvet

[@miyakult-renn]

@@purpleparadise4094 this made me laugh,,, you cant actually be serious

[@sohana5345]

enhypen with sunoo sometimes ngl. sometimes it seems like they're best friends and other times its like they're leaving him out or ya'll already know the body shaming.

[@breensprout]

oh i definitely agree with this. a big reason why i like the groups that i like is because they clearly all like each other. there are definitely some groups out there who seem like they can't stand certain members (i'm an ancient kpop stan so exo comes to mind first and the offenders are basically everyone born in 1992 lol. they did a variety show recently that was actually fun because those guys had all enlisted.)

[@Liyah2004]

I think a deal breaker for me is if they have TOO MUCH content. Most people would probably like that as it gives them more things to check out from the group they want to stan, but for some reason it just makes me feel left out LMFAO and I don't have any clue what any of these things are. Take SKZ for an example. There is no reason why a boy group debuted at 2018 should have THAT MUCH stuff and it hurts my head a little. I wanted to stan for so long but couldn't keep up, so I just decided not to.

[@princessjayhoon]

I agree with you on this, it can get overwhelming for us fans

[@honeypots2825]

Usually when I get into a group late I just stick with the newer stuff and only listen to their older songs, other content I won’t even bother looking into. Like I don’t really need to know every moment to like them.

[@Liyah2004]

@@Coconut_MilkO.O No no your totally fine dw! Well personally I don’t really have a “limit”, if that makes sense, but I feel like for the case of some fandoms your lost if you don’t understand some jokes or some like inside fandom talk (yk the kinds) that you will know from older videos and content. But it’s a problem when there’s too much of it. So I think the proper amount might be something like a “TV” that groups do sometimes when they are promoting, vlog to get to know them, their own variety series, and maybe a behind the scenes series. Personally, I think an (example) of a group that does not too much and not too little of content is Treasure. Despite not watching their survival show, and knowing little next to nothing about 12 of them I was able to understand everything fully by like two weeks. Hope that helped haha💃🏻

[@RiRi-ku6xz]

It also makes me feel bad that they r soooo overworked

[@hater-des-ploucs]

I unstanned nct and svt mainly for this reason, it's just too much for me, I feel like nct release 30min variety shows everyday, same for svt. Like I have other things to do in my life and in 30min i can do way more than just watching something! But Ik a lot of people like it so... It's up to you?

[@Sunnybias]

My deal breaker is: - Under 18 y/o (don’t want to support kids being sexualized, overworked ect). - Title track not catching me either with vocals or song itself. Nmixx had a bad title track but AMAZING vocals, so I gave them a chance. - Weak vocals. I’m tired of kpop turning into only visuals or dances, so strong vocals is a must.

[@luisab3079]

All very understandable deal-breakers in my opinion! Some additional ones that I personally have would be 1) members who are still minors and 2) if they don't sing live at least in the majority of their stages.

[@iexist8099]

One reason why I haven't gotten into N- till this day.

[@luisab3079]

@@iexist8099 Took me a moment, but same.

[@samskpopcorner]

the singing live might have been ok a couple years ago. but no one sings like a majority of the time anymore. you’re gonna find yourself stanning no groups

[@carminzira6234]

@@samskpopcorner actually there is plenty of them , but not from the big 4 and cube so people don't appreciate it.

[@luisab3079]

@@samskpopcorner It's getting rarer indeed, it shocked me again when I watched music shows in the last couple of weeks for my ults promotions when they almost were the only ones singing at the shows. However just as the comment above said, there's still more than enough artists that do sing live a lot.

[@ava5959]

2:30 no I’m totally with you on this. There’s a group that I really liked (a popular group) that because of the fandom, I just literally can’t enjoy watching them anymore, I just get annoyed.

[@serene3036]

Samee.. I'm on the verge of unstanning a group because of the fandom. I get sooo annoyed dealing with them these days. I love the group, their music, (and my ult bias from that group XD) but just because of the fandom, I can no longer enjoy anything they put out :(

[@Huangraisy]

Same. It’s this one group who has a nice little find until they blew up and it’s like that little portion of toxic fans turned into a little portion of GOOD fans💀toxicity is so normalized in that fandom that I can’t enjoy anything with them because their toxic fandom is attached to evrrything

[@Havis_Princess]

Just dont read comments and u can still stan. I stan the group not the fandom. Every fandom has alot of toxic ass people

[@ava5959]

@@Havis_Princess that’s so much easier said than done though. When I stan a group I consume there content other than just MV’s and it’s kind of impossible to get away from fans. Also if I’m stanning a group I don’t want to feel like I’m just living in fear (dramatic wording ik🥸) of seeing their fans yk?

[@victonoprin]

it was smart of you to not say which group

[@jennyjaaane]

if I could unstan Kep1er, I would. for so many reasons: the toxic fandom/solo stans, poor budget from their label, lower quality music, etc. but I am invested in those girls and I can’t just not support them.

[@JellyBrainBox]

aaaah same... sometimes i kinda wish i never watched gp999 orz

[@lightworthy]

this + their inevitable disbandment is why i’ve only listened to title tracks as they come and stayed away from anything else

[@mikrokosmos4542]

yea I sort of “unstanned” them shortly after debut for those exact reasons. I still will give their music a listen when they release new but I just can’t bring myself to be THAT interested anymore. Also the fact that they are temporary.

[@AriaLouisa]

I'm in the same boat haha. I love the members too much to give them up, but most of the fandom really makes my blood boil, and their releases have been a bit disappointing so far. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I just feel it could be so much better.

[@happytobehere4752]

solo stanning is not a bad thing, stop pressuring ppl to liking everyone in a group

[@ibatibangbidyonahangosaint908]

I do not care at fandoms at all lmao, I just casually listen to their music and never share it to anyone, or join the hype in social medias. If you love the artists, you will support them on your own way, not on the behavior of the fandom because that fandom is not the idol. That's my case for EXO

[@dm12jm]

My kpop group deal breakers = -Lack of content and connection w fans -Not liking or finding a member useless or boring or on flip side overshadowing others w presence not necessarily talent (I’m sorry) -Toxic fandoms that constantly shove their favs success on your face when not asked rather than celebrating in peace and compare them to previous or current groups -Bad /boring choreographies & lack of stage presence /facials 😭

[@ex-blinkjisoo1724]

OMG, my experience exactly.

[@youdonotknowwhoiamlol]

Same here with the stage presence/facials

[@numnum118]

This is very very specific

[@ex-blinkjisoo1724]

@@numnum118 Exactly

[@lena-dw9jn]

my definition of stanning a group is that I like all their music and like the group as a whole. Its true that a toxic fandom can really ruin things but for one of the groups I like that happened and i just didn't use twitter anymore and it solved that problem. I think putting some distance from the fandom helped because for me personally fandom discussions etc are secondary to the music and performances...therefore I could honestly just not have any of the social media aspect and be okay and still stan a group. With this definition though, I literally only stan two groups and the rest of the kpop groups I listen to I would say that I'm a casual listener

[@hater-des-ploucs]

SAME!!! so when a fandom is considered as toxic I can still stan the group without problems lol But for some people, they need to interact with fans so the reason for not stanning the group is totally valid

[@lena-dw9jn]

@@hater-des-ploucs I'm glad you understand what I mean! And yeah this is just for me, but I do get it, some people need that fandom interaction for sure

[@wildangel7531]

​@@lena-dw9jn Yeah, I get that, and they can not stan if they dont want to, they can do whatever they want. But for me, I can be a casual listener of some, but also I am a stan and I do need to interact with people as well, but I just only follow people that I like what they post, so if I see someone spreading negativity or being toxic to other groups, I just unfollow, and only follow people who are respectful and funny as heck, and supportive.

[@couchpotato2936]

As a loyal carat💎 this pique my interest as i don't really "stan" any group other than seventeen. I mean I like other groups but I can't call myself a (insert fandom name), for example I love mamamoo, I know every member, their songs, I like moomoos but I just don't think I can love them as much as I love SVT (lmao idk if this make sense). . . . Tldr : I can't commit to other groups cause I have my hands full with 13 members lol

[@matchaluvr2]

I've actually noticed that with Carats lol I know a lot of Carat's IRL but that's their MAIN group, everyone else is just a side hustle until the next SVT comeback haha I respect

[@eggeutarteu6375]

Found my person!! I'm the same, like i like a lot of other groups, even remember all of the members name, their b-sides and some little infos about them but Seventeen really is the one that just holds a very special place in my heart and even if i like the songs of the other groups, i can't stan them because i just loved Seventeen so much i don't think i can bare to love others anymore.

[@bluomi4040]

I have no original experience lmao😭✋✋

[@mairamareco8656]

SAMEEEE I like a lot of other groups songs but can’t invest time to actually stan them, I tried a couple of years ago, but with “life” it’s difficult.

[@mairamareco8656]

@@matchaluvr2 sadly my experience with carats have been otherwise, most I knew dropped them for newer groups or svt is a side hustle for them, which is ok of course

[@misterleft240]

#6 is the most relatable experience in Kpop. The song quality in Kpop is deteriorating to the point that those who have geniunely good music can be counted in your fingers. With the kpop industry is getting bigger there will be more competition, but then they will slowy ran out of fresh ideas and concepts because of the over saturation of kpop. Yes, I am talking about Blackpink, Itzy and many more groups, it doesnt matter if they are the most famous, if their music is not getting better or as good as before I am unstanning them for a while

[@iLoveYangYosoeb]

@@Coconut_MilkO.O I want to know too

[@misterleft240]

@@Coconut_MilkO.O that i cant give you a specific answer. Its easy to jugde a song if it sucks or not but you cant think of something yourself if you were ask to because you have no idea what do you actually want exactly. That is the beauty and flaw in kpop. You will be surprised for what will they do next so you will anticipate and be more into it. Will it be fun if you know what would be their next move beforehand? No, because it will kill the excitement

[@angelinebena9675]

But shouldn’t you give them enough time to see whether their title track is better? What if the newest title track is suddenly your favorite song from them? You go back to stanning?

[@lwjcwn]

I agree with no.6. That's actually the reason I unstanned my favorite group, their new releases were getting worse and worse to the point where I was upset about it. Then I had to reflect and ask myself is it really worth it to be upset with the group because I don't like their music anymore? no..no it's not. So I unstanned but I still cheer them on from the sidelines lol I wish them all the success even if I'm no longer apart of the journey

[@cupidsangel8957]

Yes, that's the same with me. It made me so sad my favorite groups music was getting progressively worse TwT

[@souptown8490]

I have to say the fandom thing is the point why I don't call myself a stan of any group. There are groups I definitely listen to the most and I wholeheartedly wish them the best but I do not engage actively in any fan activities. I buy the album if I like it, I watch content about them, and sometimes comment on the youtube channels that support them but that's mostly because I like the channel. I also visited 3 concerts because Kpop artists do not often come to my country and I have one friend who listens to Kpop in real life. Most of my friends don't even know that I like it. It is just because I made in every fandom I participated in (which I also did very rarely) uncomfortable experiences without being really that much engaged. It wasn't really any attacks against me but comments, fights, and drama that was so unnecessary and made me want to stop listening to Kpop. Now I treat Kpop artists mostly like other music artists I listen to and try to just enjoy it instead of getting too involved.

[@beccadesantos2326]

Yeah me too. I used to be a really active ARMY but now I just tune in when I want to. Sure it was fun interacting with other fans but it was tiring looking at others fighting and being toxic to eachother. I stan groups when I want to and if I don’t then I just listen to their music. I find this way more relaxing

[@bobolinaboo1698]

Lp

[@riahlexington]

Idk about the gap in talent one. Members can vastly improve over time like Itzy’s Lia. There is a huge talent gap but she improved her dancing a lot

[@KenSmith-lv7qd]

There's still a gap though

[@ariesfairy4444]

i agree, same with Jisoo in BP

[@juney5023]

That isn't a gap in talent, that's a gap in skill level.

[@arstan8092]

My main 2 dealbreakers for me is 1st: I do not like their music, obvious is obvious, and 2. if the group has to many members. This one is absolutely a bit yikes, but sadly it is the truth. This has mostly to do with my memories and remembering more than 8 people just becomes such a struggle to me that it is most likely just not worth it.

[@iexist8099]

I realized the groups I like the most are 8 members at most. 10 to 13 members just feels a lot for me to digest

[@arstan8092]

@@iexist8099 Yeah absolutely same for me.

[@OrenjiArms]

i can relate to the last one to an extent, as someone who was really into iz*one and loona with their 12 member groups size wasn't really a factor in my decision but sometimes if I see a group with less members Its easier for me to start to get into said group

[@Sianti]

To be honest, I can listen to music, but I skip these groups without diving into them. It's probably cool for performances, but for individual attitude, some members will get lost.

[@sharktamer]

it's definitely a reason to not follow a group if you're into choreographies, the more members, the more an individual member's choreo is standing on the side doing nothing

[@lolwhyamihere8775]

the title track v bsides is so interesting to me because a title track is rarely my favourite song on the album, but my favourite bsides arent necessarily "title track" material either. i feel like there's just so much music in kpop that companies try use title tracks and experimentation to get your attention, but then you get properly invested in the group's music through their bsides

[@juliechevalier9859]

Fun fact about me: I mostly like bsides more than tts, but some exceptions happen like SF9 x Summer Breeze. That one got me into the Fantasy fandom

[@romyjane17]

I guess it is more about bad title tracks. Because there are certainly bsides I like more than the title track, but if the title track is bad, why invest more into the album, yn

[@juliechevalier9859]

@@romyjane17 Good point, but even if you don't like the title track, you can find some hidden gems in the bsides

[@romyjane17]

@@juliechevalier9859 true but it is sometimes so much effort if you don’t know if you will like anything on the album. But that is a me problem

[@juliechevalier9859]

@@romyjane17 Sometimes i got nothing better to do bc i listen to albums when I do my hw. So I find some unexpected hidden gems

[@riahlexington]

For me personally I don’t usually stan groups bigger than 8 or 9 members. I also don’t stan temporary groups like iz*one. And it takes a lot for me to stan a boy group. Their music has to be REALLY good. I’m not mysandiest I just prefer girl groups Yes and having issues with the fandom okay. A certain fandom was very disrespectful about a group I love and it hurt me.

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

Yep to temporary groups, they’re just heartbreaks ready to happen, personally.

[@realnookes6482]

Yes o the number of members thing. Even 8 or 9 is high imo, like atp there are definitely some redundant members who r just there to look nice and give fans another member to buy merch of. Like you have 4 that can actually sing/rap and everyone else r just backup dancers

[@breensprout]

oh i totally agree with your point about the number of members. there's no need for that many!!!!!! there's a group that i like called bdc (same company as ab6ix) and i'm literally always telling people one of the reasons i like them is that there's only 3 members lol.

[@minhyuklees1bebe902]

I agree with a lot of these especially with the music, but my biggest dealbreaker is really age, I'm 17 (about to be 18 in a few months) and quite a lot of the newly debuted idols are like 2-3 years younger than me and I feel awkward watching 8th graders on idol KZbin contents (definitely just a ME thing since I always have felt awkward seeing my juniors in school). Also since I'm the type that would usually watch their contents I really would prefer if they were somehow relatable, it's not really a dealbreaker though but it's more fun to watch someone you relate and agree with a lot.

[@sivanabanana889]

Ikr like u also cant look up to them uk i kinda admire the idols but i cant admire an 8th grader lol

[@suzyocean7392]

It's only gonna get worse though, I'm 28 now and idols are quite literally almost all children. Lol just gotta accept it 😂 Eventually I stopped caring as long as the members don't get overworked

[@juliechevalier9859]

I don't mind ppl that are younger than me (I'm 17, turning 18 in Feb 2023), but no sexy choreo/concept. That goes mainly to gg. Sorry but when maknaes are 05 or 06 liners, keep it appropriate for everyone

[@mgzs6490]

same, I just turned 17 and you know its not really inescapable to have idols debut younger than you ,but I think like T_T for the mean time there should be an age limit or something,, IDK like ill get that there will be super younger idols when I'm like 20-23 ish but not now... they have so much more time to grow and train and it also helps balance the older trainees to be able to debut and flourish

[@ccthecalmone810]

@@suzyocean7392 27 here...almost every idol is underst 17. Damn soon we gonna have a kindergarten group lol :(

[@asserm.8047]

god i wish kpop fans were decent enough so you could release this video with examples, bc i could only think of groups that applied to me with ONE category (the one abt their new music not being ur taste) for example im rly curious abt the "one idol not keeping up with the others" section. i haven't watched every single kpop group perform, obviously, but to me they all seem so talented i kinda want an example so i can see what thats like also im not asking op but if anyone else has any example id appreciate it tbh

[@ihaveabicbrain6344]

juice have a twt acc, maybe you can interact with him in there

[@Melissarouge]

Keep in mind, Most of what is the video is simply based on personal preference. For me an example of one idol not keeping up with the others, would be Lia in Itzy. And ofc she is very talented, but when performing with the group as a whole she doesn’t match the dance skill and stage presence that the other members have. So for me when it gets to her part the whole performance just feels a bit off.

[@deathray2242]

At the risk of getting attacked by their fans, I personally feel Kep1er is a good example of this. There is a huge gap in skill within that group, with some members being exceptionally good performers and a few being just passable. Which to be fair is just more likely to happen when a group forms through a survival show. If you want to see what I mean I personally feel the issue is very apparent in their debut showcase wadada performance, where Bahiyyih looks very awkward executing the dance compared to the other members.

[@asserm.8047]

@@deathray2242 ok great i will check out early kep1er stages thank you so much!!

[@asserm.8047]

@@Melissarouge thank you! tbh ive watched itzy stages and i still thought lia was good enough OTL i think i must have a bad eye for dancers haha

[@marley20023]

my biggest dealbreaker is if there’s 0 chemistry between the members. i can only stan a group if i like their personalities and vibe.

[@lillyunova1042]

I agree with a majority of these. I only have 3 major deal breakers 1.) Multiple lineup changes: If one member leaves the group, that doesn't cause me to unstan, but if a group has multiple members leaving/going on hiatuses, I just have a hard time keeping up, and I just get really worried if the group will disband/go into inactivity 2.) I don't like their discography: Pretty self explanatory. If I don't like the music, there isn't much of a point in stanning the group 3.) I don't like the fandom: If I don't like the fandom, I just go back to being a casual listener. I had some pretty bad experiences with certain kpop fandoms and I because of it, I just can't bring myself to stan the group

[@ajahneely3876]

For me my deal breakers would definitely be being incredibly ignorant and racially insensitive, it really takes a lot for me to completely fall off of a group because of their personality but things I just won’t tolerate are idols saying the N-word fully knowing what the word means, laughing in the face of other peoples culture and black face (it’s been done way too many times) other than that I feel like it’s hard for me to dislike anyone lol

[@matthewbird1067]

If Fandoms could turn me off music then I'd have to avoid any group doing well enough to survive 😂

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

Hahaha! It depends on what you define stanning as? Casual listening vs. stanning (interacting with fans often). Fandom experiences can really add to liking a band or group too. So I definitely get both views.

[@nuhelabarbosa846]

the 3rd one is kind of ironic considering that gidle is your semi ult

[@honeymilk3815]

I didn't wanna be mean BUT HAHAHAHAHAH

[@elyxion125]

I'm not so much into gidle but which member(s) do you consider less talented than the others (to the point that it shows) ?

[@kimanid.929]

@@elyxion125 shuhua

[@crelgen1588]

@@kimanid.929 I definitely agree that there's a significant gap between her and the others, but I feel it's less apparent and therefore less of a deal breaker during their stages, because the group doesn't have amazing stage presence anyway.

[@kimanid.929]

@@crelgen1588the only people in g idle who I think have stage presence are soyeon and soojin

[@chaehyuntiger5813]

For me age is HUGE!!!! If there are one or two members that are between 14-16 then okay 👍 but when there are three or more members in that age range I feel so uncomfy. Like Classy, they look really talented and sweet. However, the young ages of the members really messes me up. I am heavily against minors debuting, especially if there are multiple of them. Idk it makes me feel uncomfortable.

[@angelinebena9675]

I agree and some of them look like kids for sure!! It really makes me feel weird watching them dance

[@gwen.me0]

it makes me feel hella uncomfortable,, just watching children perform makes me feel like im committing a crime 💀

[@honeymilk3815]

One more point I would like to add is that I don't feel like stanning a group if a member leaves/has left or something. Like it feels off to me for some reason.

[@crelgen1588]

Yeah, and the veil of silence that always surrounds the member/s that left is so eery! It's as if they never existed at all.

[@suzyocean7392]

We'll likely see it happening to Le sserafim and them dropping off in popularity with the next comeback if garam gets kicked out (very likely at this point)

[@crelgen1588]

@@suzyocean7392You could very well be right, but maybe they'll pull through unscathed since their debut is so recent and their group dynamics aren't established yet.

[@suzyocean7392]

@@crelgen1588 that would be nice. I actually liked Garams voice so maybe they can replace her with a new member that has a similar voice to her. I think with their seraphim angel group name they're better off having 6 members. They can still add someone new now like RV & yeri

[@hipeople9856]

i've never really had this issue. i stan monsta x, stray kids, and day6, but to be fair i got into them before i knew they had members leave/get kicked out

[@zvenbautista301]

as one saying says: "the actions of the fans are reflected to the artist."

[@HailToTheMeep]

Stan? Just love the music. Forget the rest. Including the fandom.

[@chrumb]

#5 made me think, cause I find it pretty sad to be stuck with the content they've already released and not getting to see them grow any further.. but I still can't let go of certain groups that are gone for good, like b.a.p. I was very attached to them for a few years before their disbandment despite knowing the end was coming, and I still rewatch a lot of their content. I guess today's kpop just doesn't hit the same way they did & still do for me

[@emmy8495]

2. coughorbitscough. Loona has music that is totally my type, but Orbits behavior during Queendom 2 (esp when they didn't win) has completely turned me off the group.

[@inlovewithwheein]

Agree i personally was interested in them but i am moomoo and you can guess wtf orbit did to mamamoo

[@bubblybubbles09]

All those "if they stanned loona then maybe (something bad) didnt happen to them" just really turned me off and kinda made me hate the fandom

[@inlovewithwheein]

@@bubblybubbles09 couldn't agree more

[@Maerz_]

Queendom as an ujung with them was no fun. The loona girls seem so cute but the fandom throws me so off

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

@@inlovewithwheein May I please know what they said about mmm?!

[@kiriraganna]

For me, the group has to be around my age or older for me to really be invested in them, and I'm not that young anymore, so the times for me to stan a group properly are coming to an end lol. The younger groups are of course producing good music, but in order for me to call myself their fan, I need to relate to them on a more personal level too, and teenagers can't really provide that feeling for me anymore. But even bigger of a deal-breaker is if a group starts acting all high and mighty because of their popularity. I do like groups getting popular and well-loved, but very often the biggest groups end up kind of... losing their authentic, humane side and swapping all their lyrics and performance styles and general energy with "I'm at the top, suck my **** now you losers." Like one "diss" track here and there is fine, as all groups tend to produce at least one of those, but if it feels like this is all they do now, it turns me off big time.

[@jisooinyourarea6751]

NO the reason loona is good at maksing the "untalented members" is because there's a lot of them. and honestly I wouldn't called the members untalented I would call them unused. because the company doesn't use them for anything in any of the promotions. I DONT EVEN THINK I HEARD VIVI OR GOWON TALK AT ALL IN QUEENDOM. like did they even do interviews?

[@czechmatey]

True, it's harder to mask ones that don't have a lot of charisma or talent when there are a lot of members.

[@taysondelski6544]

Id also had is there’s any racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. scandal, I’m just going to avoid the group, I won’t boycott them bc I don’t think that’s fair to the other members, but I’m not going to stan them

[@hibingu]

I resonated SO deeply with your second point I felt so much relief to know that I’m not the only one who’s had such a traumatic experience to unstan a group. Bless you.

[@momdad1818]

My ults (GFRIEND) have some Deal Breakers of yours and I just wanna list them because why not: #2 their fandom is toxic. Used to be a rather chill fandom but things changed from 2021 - 2022. Not the worst fandom but definetely not the best. #3 the skill/talent gap is there. All the members are very obviously undertrained. Yuju has great vocals and she could become alot better but she's the only good vocalist. SinB, Yuju and Yerin are decent dancers but that's it. They can sing-talk (Love Bug, Life is a Party, Bop! Bop!). They also don't really have much stage presence. I think it's obvious that they have a close bond and train together which makes them so in sync. It's just sad that their shitty ex-company source music didn't train them properly. #5 GFRIEND is disbanded but they are active. They actively interact with each other (they sang Me Gustas Tu at one of their stylists wedding together, like eachothers instagram posts, promote eachother on instagram etc). SinB has also hinted at an OT6 comeback at 2023.

[@kailed9161]

SinB is only a decent dancer?

[@momdad1818]

@@kailed9161 She's definetely a good dancer but doesn't really stand out. I'm guessing it's because she doesn't put much power behind her moves which may come from her GFRIEND days since GFRIEND choreo was more pretty, smooth and sync and not powerful and strong. She'll definetely get alot better in future

[@moonlight_orange]

Surely it'll change from 2021, buddies still has heartbreaks + the amount of comments saying gfriend chose to disband will definitely get your nerves.

[@SS-yl5wo]

I don’t think it’s the company’s fault anymore that they’re untrained. It’s clear that before disbandment HYBE put in a lot of money and resources into GFRIEND. They have all redebuted now with differing concepts, and it is their responsibility to train themselves. Even as GFRIEND in their later years, the company would not sign them up for dance and singing classes...

[@misterleft240]

Honestly, one of the biggest deal breaker today is debuting minors in a group. Like they should be studying and enjoying their youth instead of working in this cruel and competitive industry. Also one thing that I add is that it restricts the groups from doing other things such as performing mature concepts because they need to consider the minor members, which kills the fun for the fans and idols themselves. It is really hard to stan 4th gen groups because of this.

[@smalllightbulb3492]

I'm with you on a lot of this. For me the most important ones are: 1. Fandom: there are a few groups that I've completely written off because I don't want to be associated with that level of toxicity. 2. Title tracks: if you don't like the TT why bother listening to the rest? 3. Members: if there's even one that I dislike (petty reasons or not) than is a no for me. 4. Live singing: if they don't/can't sing live why bother? I don't want/need perfect vocals, just live with imperfections and all. But in reality I didn't really choose my stan groups. One day I just fell down the rabbit hole for each of them. Never planned, it just happened...

[@fairymangafanfairytail6644]

Underage members in a group, especially if they are the majority and/or some are under 16. In a large members groups having one or two underage with everyone else being adults I can kind of understand. But recent groups are pushing the limits, debuting children left and right. Some may not agree, but I won't support pedophilia, child labour and taking avantage of minors. Like you won't tell me their fandoms is only around their age, or that they have the experience to put their boundaries as a person. Teenagers should be able to figure themselves out away from the public, make mistakes and be imperfect. Yeah, kpop is concerning me nowadays and I recently decided I won't check a group music before checking a group age range.

[@kimdaniel2601]

I agree with regard to annoying fandoms. I commented that I didn’t like a recent comeback song from a certain group and was told to never listen to any of their music again because the group didn’t need me. It was weird because I don’t even love every single song from my ult group and I’m pretty sure it’s okay to not like a song. I also agree with stanning an inactive group. There are some 2nd and 3rd gen groups whose music I love and have on my playlist but I haven’t really bothered to learn every members name and everything about them like I do my current ult groups.

[@ex-blinkjisoo1724]

My experiences exactly.

[@juliechevalier9859]

You made me realize one thing: if i can't see the end of my stan list, means there's probs inactive/disbanded/groups i don't vibe with as much as i used to, and i can unstan them. Thanks for the advices in stanning groups. Now I will keep my list much shorter

[@hipe8987]

for me the biggest deal breaker is probably if their regular content is boring. like i listen to their music but im not gonna stan them if the vlogs, vlives, or variety shows dont entertain me

[@mamfa4847]

Went to go check your stan list and accidentally clicked on the "Do the right thing" carrd. I don't know if a lot of people use that but it was the first time I have ever seen it! Thank you for spreading awareness on so many different topics! Subscribed to you because of it!!

[@user-ez8rp2kv8u]

I understand your position, but it's really sad that amazing groups with talented members lose a big part of a potential fandom because of the toxic stans that already follow them. I mean, it's not their fault

[@lillamikics4532]

100% agree with you!

[@cleoz_]

it's really unfortunate that toxic fans/stans are most of the time the loudest.. the fandom is never peaceful

[@anunknownstay]

it indeed is sad. like how did i end up distancing mysself from my ults bc people in their fandom told me to k word myself :") like thats not what the group stands for

[@bloop.4954]

I am a huge Loona stan and you are right they are some members who have noticeably less talent than others but they can hide it or give the illusion that they are all on the same level and some groups just aren't able to do it.

[@wattswo]

Mmmmn. I think that pretty much cancels out every kpop group.

[@YoureMyCherryOnTop143]

Well you got an good point & plus your Stan list changed a lot

[@Pain-yx1ri]

my deal breaker is if theres a minor in the group or i dislike the fandom. I could never put my money into a group with a minor in it i guess, id feel guilty

[@OnceUBellieve]

We're literaly the opposite, i stan a group for their members, their friendships. I wouldn't say i truly don't care about their music but that's not the most important for me.

[@Tinkerbell-ck2ho]

I agree with pretty much everything, the point abt the fandom...soooo trueee There are many instances where i just hate the fandom and dont prefer checking out the grp's music, the image of the grp for me is just destroyed.... even if i do like their music, i wont prefer calling myself a stan/fan of that grp just cos i dont want to involved with that fandom.

[@Layaya03]

Completely agree with the fandom deal breaker. I’ve seen stays and orbits say the most horrible things and I never want to be associated with them.

[@battlea6695]

my dealbreakers •if a member (especially multiple) has left the group •if a group can’t perform live well e.g dancing is low energy, live vocals are not stable at all •majority ballad b-sides

[@b4rry420]

oh my god, finally someone that doesn‘t like ballad b-sides either 😭 idek what it is, because i feel like ballads are a great way for idols to demonstrate their vocal skills but the instrumentals of them always bore me to death 💀 it‘s like listening to a watered down disney soundtrack for me

[@micotajos]

HEY! thank u so much for using your own voice to explain you opinion. Recently a lot of KZbinrs doing the kpop stuff are using those robotic tiktok or google (whatever) voices, really hurt my ears when I listen to them a lot. So I guess here I am thanking your voice and you for using it ^-^

[@wiktorrogala4975]

100% the fandoms can make or break stanning their groups. MY’s, ARMY, BLINKS, STAYS and Buddies are the WORST fandoms that made me not want to support or even tune in to the groups music. These fandoms have not gone a day without just being toxic asf somewhere or just annoying.

[@ivaivanova4193]

my dealbreaker is if 1. dont like the fandom 2. dont like their music 3. some of the members are just too young to be idols and have innappropriate concepts for their age 4. inactive or disbanded groups

[@leoniemelodie7]

I stan groups depending on the music, the concept and the members I think? I'll keep up with a group if the music is nice, if the members are lovely, but if your concept doesn't appeal to me I won't be huge stan. If the concept is right up my alley, I'm already done for. Take Itzy's concept, I think it's basically perfect to appeal to many. More specific concepts like Pirates or Vampire must find their niche of fans. Finding your niche in a group is the most satisfying thing! So you either bet on having a wide appeal or a specific one. Like DreamCatcher and Rock/horror. It can't please everyone but that's fine, and it justify building your own fanbase.

[@Sakura-rq8uk]

- If they don’t put subtitles on their member content videos. I just can’t connect with them all way if I can’t understand them - if all the vocalists are weak. I love dancing but 4th gen really threw the vocal position out the door. Even some main vocals aren’t as good as I think they should be, especially compared to some 3rd and many 2nd gen groups. - if the members seem really awkward and fake around each other. The groups that really get along make it so much easier for me to connect with them, and when a group doesn’t feel connected with each other it makes me feel awkward - if all the stage presence is bad. I don’t want to watch people dancing with low energy and blank stares

[@Nameless_mixes]

The main thing for me is how good their title tracks are and if they keep me entertained. This is why Red Velvet are my ultimate group. I love all of their title tracks (yes, including "Rookie" and "Psycho") and their constant concept switching keeps me from feeling bored of what they release. After that is when I'll actually learn about the members. I don't get into groups because "they have amazing stage presence" or "the quality of their music videos is so high" or "they're all so attractive". And to the people who are always telling me that I need to check out a group's B-sides... do you really think that I'm going to waste my time listening to B-sides if I don't like the title tracks? Title tracks and other promoted singles are supposed to make you want to listen to an artist. If they're just not doing it for me, then I'm not going to bother. Music production and marketing are very important to me. So, I'm not going to reward artists for not doing well in either or both departments. I'll also touch upon the disbanded/inactive group part. As a mashup artist, I need to listen to every single released during a year to determine what I want to include in my year end. I rarely listen to music from past years. And I definitely don't have the time to back track through someone's discography unless I'm truly blown away by their music. So, unless they're currently making music and I'm enjoying it, then I'm not going to be taking a trip down memory lane and playing catch up to see what I missed.

[@sooyoungfanclub]

#1 is funny to me bc i 80% of the time don’t love title tracks, so i am used to stanning groups who have very few titles i love but amazing sidetracks… bigger dealbreaker for me is good titles paired with shitty filler sidetracks….. feels like the most disappointing false advertising

[@moondust34]

Another one I want to add if the members are super young. Like there are Kpop groups where I like their music but then I find out a member was born in 2007 or something, and I’m born in 2001 so I feel weird getting into a group where the member is middle school age while I’m in college

[@asthmaticpeach1794]

the main reason i cannot get into loona os because of orbits. watching the live finale of queendom2 upset me so much bc the chat was just filled with orbits saying horrible things about the other groups throughout the whole stream. It was gross

[@yesntseren]

juice always slaying

[@Gabby-zl2kh]

i feel like kpop stans have such a weird thing about title tracks vs b-sides but at the end of the day they’re both… songs. songs with the same voices. songs produced for that group, potentially by the same person as the title track. i feel like if the bsides on an album are AMAZING but the title track sucks, everyone now disregards the whole album but it’s like babe you know you can skip the songs you don’t like. i feel like y’all feel some weird pressure to have the title track automatically be your favorite song on an album. plus i feel like bsides more often include the members on the credits like as lyricists than they would on the title, so it actually helps show the groups color MORE

[@dia3756]

fearlessly saying that not having stage presence (either the entire group, or a certain member that makes it crazy noticeable of the disparity) is a big one for me, i got into kpop because it was so much more than just music you listen to and groups must do the songs justice when performing. have been liking aespa's tts a lot but i can't sit through a performance of theirs, but they're just one example

[@juliasalomonsson2287]

I usually don't let the fact that a group isn't very active or disbanded stop me, but sometimes I will be a casual listener more than anything. Not vibing with one or several members doesn't always stop me, but sometimes it does mean I'll never be more than a casual listener. Other than that I do agree with everything you said. I hadn't really thought about these kind of deal-breakers at first but now I do and I also think I have a few. I'll mention two additional deal-breakers for me because why not I guess. Temporary groups Now I've gone against this twice with 1The9 and UNB but other than that I just can't get myself to stan a temporary group. The reason why is simply because I get really sad when groups disband, even if I know it's going to happen. I can still be a casual listener, but investing a lot of time in a group I know isn't going to last very long is just too much for me. None of the vocalists are good Now I'm not an expert on vocal techniques or anything, but I'd still like to say that I can tell whether someone is good at singing or not. I can kind of look past no good rappers (sometimes), but no good vocalists? absolutely not. Not all vocalists have to be ridiculously good at singing like Ailee but if none of the singing sounds good at all, I'm out. Doesn't matter if the instrumentals and lyrics are perfection to me, if the singing sounds bad to me that's enough to not stan or even listen to the group at all. I haven't come across many groups with no good vocalists but it has happened at least once (won't mention names because I don't want to potentially start a fight).

[@gaurilolll]

fellow deobi woohooo😚😚

[@AyaHizunashiArts]

1 - lack of music content: I wanna hear a music artist and not watch them become models or social media influencers that occasionally release music every full moon 2: empty chorus / noise music: prob the biggest reason why I'm not into 4th gen or boy groups in general... This is just personal preference I think 3: the current trend of prioritizing dancing / performance over vocals..

[@mads2486]

My deal breaker honestly is a lack of non music content. With the groups Im a fan of like SVT, Enhyphen, Straykids- they all have a significant amount of content for me to go into. Especially Seventeen, which I LOVE about them. But then with other groups, when you hardly see them offstage, it feels insanely disconnected for me. Also with the toxic fandom thing, honestly I'll be a fan of groups- but I wont associate with the fandom as much depending on the group. Like, Stays I want and have nothing to do with. Carats? Sure theyre lovely ill reply on twitter sometimes. That sorta thing.

[@samanthakim5035]

Fairly enough reasons. This channel made my decision makings in kpop overall clearer. Tbh, all 5 eggs I stan, I just only interact with it rarely, especially TWICE(even they constantly have contents). I feel like myself these past few months, that I am a casual listener. Though I get hype and support them in new releases, that's it. I'm not as hardcore fan as before. Also, I switched in things that'll make my mental health in a good state, and Kpop is not included, sadly.

[@santiagolozada9478]

I didn’t understand lol

[@samanthakim5035]

@@santiagolozada9478 This is about myself in Kpop these past few months😅

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

Yeah, as a long-ish time k-pop fan, there’s no point getting too involved. It’s just draining. Of course you miss out on the “stan” experience, but it’s better than completely distancing from k-pop. I also think the casual stan mentality is much healthier.

[@ru1n_singzzzie13]

As someone who doesn't stan groups but more or less has a bunch of favourite groups that i listen to and watch variety content of, my biggest deal breaker would have to be the group not being able to sing their own songs live. Its a common excuse of "oh but they're singing and dancing, which is difficult to do" but fact of the matter is, these groups are releasings songs that are there to be sung, if the idol group can't sing their own song live, why should i follow this group? Sure its great to see cool choreographies, but one must realise that these people are singers first and foremost, dancing is just an aesthetic piece to the music.

[@pickledjellyy]

yea I used to heavily stan aespa cause the girls are incredibly talented and funny but their fandom was wayyy to toxic for me to stay 😭😭

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

Yeah, that happens to me all the time when it comes to big 4 groups…. It sucks! Just listen to their music casually I guess….

[@afrina7347]

I wanted to stan but on my first day the toxicity of mys put me off so I ran away lmao I simply just listen to the music lol

[@danigirii]

as a second gen stan... i learned to stay away from fandoms as i wade through mud xD but unfortunately, i cannot stan after black mamba because their discography is not my cup of tea and also because one of them just rubs me the wrong way.

[@MarkosTwuan317]

Ok but you put the Muses in the background and i starterd to crying 🤩🤩

[@dahliassalvias7972]

agree with the fandom one. I had a negative experience with a certain fandom, it was so bad that I stay away from the group like the plague

[@ex-blinkjisoo1724]

My experience exactly.

[@myeonluv]

ikr the fandom one .. some ppl get rly defensive over that but i honestly agree w u theres a few i cant stan or ive fallen of then further

[@Amanda-ik1wv]

I'm a simple person: I try to listen to everything and repeat what I like. I only have one group I could say that I stan because I've liked almost every song released over many years, more than any other group so far, but I just listen to music because I like music. I don't really have rules and I try not to over complicate it.

[@everglowup]

Why do I feel called out by that last deal breaker??😭

[@huggelnudel9400]

I actually never really liked Woojin (SKZ) so I wasn't quite disappointed that he left 😅 since then I stan Stray Kids

[@sakussy]

bro i literally just came across your channel and i’m already in love with your opinions and videos. you’re so unproblematic and professional (not to mention that you stan mcnd 😈💪) seriously other ktubers should learn from you

[@itzme9018]

For me one big dealbreaker is if the company isn't trustworthy. It's happened 2 times now in only the past year that I stanned a rookie group, but within one year of debut they lost members or disbanded with no reason, and then I look at the company only to find out that this has been a pattern with pervious groups they managed as well. Take Hot Issue, they were a great group, had a good debut mini album, relatively good 1st comeback, they fit their concept and had a cool name and stuff. Within one year they're inactive for a short period of time when the company puts out a statement where they basically say they disbanded them but with no clear reason why. Turns out S2 was a new company with no experience whatsoever with managing idols. Or Ghost9, where 2 members just left without a clear reason, never to be seen again, the company they are under has a history of failing their idols and weird disbandments, so I'm just hoping for the remaining 7 to be able to stay as a group. Another thing I look at is wether their 1st comeback, or the comebacks they have, are better or at least on the same level as their debut. And wether they only put out a single every now and then or if they actually release albums and mini-albums with good quality songs as well. And finally I look at the other content they have; do the members seem to have fun with what they're doing? does it look like they get along? do they individually seem like cool people?

[@honeymilk3815]

I agree with that one comment that says your voice is like asmr 😭 I almost feel asleep ngl , it's so airy and smooth to listen to

[@vaneabarca]

"I'm sure they have amazing personalities but I'm not looking for friendships when I stan a k-pop idol" Why did that make me laugh so much lmao

[@lymphaticjeopardy]

A big deal breaker for me is quantity of music. Obviously music quality comes first, but I have such a hard time getting into groups who have just made their debut or who have small discographies because I get SO bored of listening to the same stuff over and over. That's why I usually don't get into a group until they're a couple years old and have started to determine a full creative direction for themselves.

[@mashfiqussalehin1310]

I love your vids, your voice is soft like ASMR

[@czechmatey]

I don't expect a main vocalist to have the same stage presence as the main dancer. There will obviously be a noticeable gap and if there is, then that makes sense and doesn't have any bearing on whether I stan or not. It's the same way of not expecting dancers to be on the same level as the main vocalists in singing since that is not their position.

[@czechmatey]

But also a lot of newer groups seem to only have stage presence while relying on autotune or lip sync. A balance is good, but to each their own.

[@peggyliz9381]

Another deal breaker for me is really the company. I get really hesitant to stan a group if I really dont like the company. Generally the big three's groups are the ones I thoroughly examen to see if i want to stan them or not

[@bobthebuilderday6leader]

Dang, that must be tough. As far as I know a lot of companies, including the big 3 have a lot of issues when it comes to managing their artists. Mid-sized companies like Cube, DSP Media, have done a lot of sh*t too and hurt a lot of good artists. But yeah, they do have several good artists under their wing. I wonder which companies at this point have good practices.

[@Singingtater24]

Unfortunately, basically every company sucks in one way or another.

[@bvokutos]

I understand 3 a lot honestly, when I first started watching the weekly MC shows like music bank and inkigayo, and I would see new groups I always noticed those types of mistakes in the groups. It was a deal breaker for me when I came to stanning new groups as well lol

[@amalinia09]

Agree so much with no.2 - and this is one reason why I don't really engage with too much content. Like, I'll watch videos and leave likes, maybe stream some stuff as/when I can and buy albums/some merch. But I'm usually hesitant to leave comments or even read some. I guess this is why I kinda think of myself as an overall casual multi-stan and despite me lacking interactions with others, I think I'm ok like this XD The other thing for me is, and not sure if it's for anyone else, but I don't want to get into a group just because they're super popular or have a huge fan base. As in, I want to like them because it's them, if that makes sense (whether it's music, the members, their choreography, a combination, etc). I'm not sure if anyone else has had this, but sometimes it feels like there is a weird form of an almost pseudo-"peer pressure" involved to like a group even if I may not be into them/their music.

[@g1nk_]

A few of these imo are really avoidable. For me if the title track shit then I just don’t listen to it. The fandom one, again imo, is not that big of a deal. I just don’t interact with the fandom simple. I can still support to my favorite groups without needing to interact with with fandom at all and so can other people. I know some people love the interaction with different stan’s of their fav group and that’s totally understandable but for me it’s not necessary for me to call myself a stan. In reality, a lot of idols/groups these days caNOT control their fans and especially with the companies being incredibly strict they cannot really speak about certain things. Again these are my opinions, I’m not shaming anybody for thinking otherwise! If you disagree please tell me in the replies and if I said something confusing (which I probably did😭) tell me so I can clarify!

[@celinedatwyler6246]

My biggest deal-breakers are line-up changes and multiple hiatuses. I also don't like pushy fans. "You should stan this group!", "Listen to that song!", "...are so underrated!" are huge turn-offs for me. I'm also bored really fast if I don't like the title tracks. Instrumental choruses or choruses with only a few repetetive words are a no-no.