My DISLIKE For The Jedi

[@jeremy1860]

Massive props to the prequels for challenging the notion of the Jedi being infallible good guys that people might've had after watching the original trilogy :)

[@wholesome_masochist4113]

George Lucas STILL goes on about how the Jedi were infallible paragons even now.

[@LeeApJohn-ry7pd]

If I were to be a Jedi, I'd want to be a Jedi Sentinel.

[@treystephens6166]

I’d just want to be a TIE/LN Pilot 👨‍✈️

[@adnaanu]

Most institutions,whether it's the government or management, etc, are like the Jedi.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Not really

[@Ash-Winchester]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 Yes, really.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@ Tell me you know nothing of monastic orders without telling me you know nothing of monastic orders.

[@Ash-Winchester]

@ Tell me you know nothing about hierarchal power structures without telling me you nothing about hierarchal power structures.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@ Empty rhethorical questions and pulling a "no u" is a poor substitute for an intelligent answer.

[@thorshammer7883]

What about Luke Skywalker's Jedi Order in Expanded Universe books like the Kevin J Anderson Jedi Academy Trilogy? He did a great job there and allowed for families and relationships and he succeeded through the many self doubts he had. He even got married with Mara Jade and they had a Son together who they named Ben.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

This channel is clearly not for Expanded Universe fans. It's Disney slop only

[@thorshammer7883]

@yrooxrksvi7142 This is a big shame. Welp might as well mention it to this guy then and make him be aware of the Expanded Universe and the books that were written about Luke Skywalker and his Jedi Order and that he is a better hero then Ahsoka will ever be.

[@ryanmoore6259]

The Jedi rules on attachment weren't actually wrong; attachment in the buddhist strength is "an exxagerated desire to not be separated from someone or something". Things like love, compassion and empathy are under the buddhist definition of love and so are acceptable.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@ryanmoore6259 I am not certain about that. I know they are semi related but the theologies are very different though in other senses and practices.

[@scissors2439]

I wanna be a Jedi, but not follow the rules and be a free man

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Then you might as well be a Sith

[@scissors2439]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 Not that either, they don't help the people at all

[@ThePanMan11]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 Of course not. Only a sith deals in absolutes. I'll just go ahead and be a Gray Jedi like Jolee Bindo. Thank you very much.

[@RyanTheDark]

​@@yrooxrksvi7142Uhh no that's not how it works. It's possible to want to save lives but still not limit yourselves to rules and still have your own freedom. Such have been shown possible for years. The Jedi don't own the Force.

[@josecano326]

@@yrooxrksvi7142thats not how it works

[@Auron3991]

The Jedi were corrupted by the constructive Force, allowing cancerous rules to go unchecked within their order. The philosophy behind the destructive Force does not allow such poisons. Qui-Gon, who was first to achieve the state of eternal consciousness, had plenty of times where he could be criticized about emotionality or feeling attachment, but he didn't allow such things to rule him.

[@Captainhexpaine]

I NEVER liked the jedi even as a child i recognized their hypocrisy and self righteousness and apathy.

[@AOT_HxH95]

In the EU, balance meant eradication of the dark. The light itself is balance.

[@khankorpofficial]

Your understanding of the light n dark side is not in line with the force so you already messed up

[@Rooikunbo]

The Jedi significantly underestimated the clone army, comprised of child soldiers barely 11 to 13 years old and subjected to accelerated aging. Rex, Wolf, and Jesse were essentially children who had never known a proper childhood, created solely to fight and perish in a conflict that remained enigmatic to all-except for the Sith.

[@cherrytonshawty9120]

I'm all grey. Neutral in the Force.

[@Ash-Winchester]

Brother.

[@Sebastian_Rabbit]

There's no neutrality in the force

[@Ash-Winchester]

@@Sebastian_Rabbit Yes there is.

[@NeoGarax]

@@Sebastian_RabbitDoes this guy not recall that Grey Jedi do in fact exist?

[@Alexzander1989]

@@NeoGarax That’s just a fan made idea that folks came up with to explain why their Jedi characters are using dark side powers like lightning. And folks that take the alignment meter on the Kotor games way too literally 😐 Even actual so called “Gray Jedi” are usually light side oriented

[@aaron75fy]

the sith are what the dark side represents, even Lucas said the dark side is what was preventing balance. you failed to understand the mythos of the star wars universe

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

The father wouldn't be happy if the son was murked even if he favoued the daughter

[@aaron75fy]

@@Angelo-nd4lg please don't count fan fiction as canon

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

@aaron75fy lol I prefer to look at star wars as larger than any 1 writer lucas included the idea of force deities has taken hold

[@aaron75fy]

@@Angelo-nd4lg you can add what you want as long as it doesn't contradict the theme, something Disney failed to do I don't worship at false alters

[@Ash-Winchester]

@@aaron75fy So what are you doing at lucas' altar?

[@robertfeld5829]

Y'know, I've had the opinion fr some time the Jedi deliberately and selfishly rewrote the prophecy to favour themselves, believing themselves to be the all of the light and the Sith the all of the dark despite the many groups out there that worshipped and used the Force. The Jedi Order on the whole are selfish, they're attached to that marble temple and those rules. Why Disney canon made Luke so pathetic is beyond me.

[@Blizzardius]

That's why even if some of them are genocidal maniacs at least you know what to expect from a Sith Lord.

[@hunternowicki8123]

Ki Adi Mundi comes to mind.

[@RyanTheDark]

Personally, the Jedi mostly comes off as holier-than-thou. To me, even in the EU (I prefer the EU explanation of things btw) where people pretend that the Jedi are flawless, the rules are gaslighting, their mandates too restricting, and they're just hypocritical. Far too often they pretend to own the Force. And I'm shocked fans take everything they say and pretend that they can't be wrong. Every Jedi can be from Obi-Wan to Yoda. The only Order I really like from an Order's perspective is Luke's EU Order.

[@wendypierce5621]

The Jedi made Star Wars and they also break it. They are so powerful, a force user wins a confrontation 95% of the time. Then realizing that ruins suspense, the stories had to look for flaws.

[@verrave9022]

The Jedi are not an altruistic humanitarian organization; their purpose is merely to use the Force in a responsible way. Assisting civilians outside of the purpose of detachment can be grounds for expulsion from the Jedi Order. Lucus can gush about how he thinks the Jedi are good all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that according to their own Codex and canonical behavior that humanitarian causes are not their primary motive and even frowned upon due to how these behaviors breed further attachment towards sentient beings.

[@danielsiljeholm]

What is there to dislike about the jedi?

[@pbh9195]

In many ways the Jedi are like the religious morality police for the Republic. Also considering that their are few other organizations that practice the force openly, it's safe to say the Jedi don't tolerate force users outside their order

[@dannylopez5976]

They actually do tolerate other force users. The Kel Dor monks. And even the night sisters. As long as you don't try to use the force to oppress others the Jedi really didn't have a active problem with you.

[@kyzit8458]

Read about convocation of the Force from the high republic books(search about it online) and change your mind

[@kyzit8458]

Search "convocation of the Force" online(its from the high republic) and change your mind

[@Eficiente_VSB]

0:57 "well let's just say their judgment calls have led to more Galactic disasters than victories" 1000 generations of peace say otherwise. 1:15 "but the order the organization they served with its strict codes dogmatic rules and refusal to adapt that's where my frustration lies what I want to explore today is why the Jedi Order fell not just because of the Sith or the rise of the empire but because of its own internal flaws from their emotionally stunted teachings to their overreach in politics the Jedi Order made mistake after mistake often failing to live up to their own ideals it's not just that the Jedi Order collapsed it's that their collapse was inevitable" No, it was definitely because of the Sith. You remove the Sith, the order doesn't collapse. Simple as that. You seem to use Disney canon, so you remove the Sith, Dooku doesn't turn evil, Anakin isn't manipulated all his life by Pals, there is no Clone Wars, and no order 66. Where would this "inevitable" fall happen without the Sith? It wouldn't happen even after some more 1000 generations of peace. 2:26 "let's start with the elephant in the room the Jedi codes no attachment rule on paper it sounds like it's about avoiding unhealthy obsessions but in reality it's just emotional repression disguised as wisdom the Jedi are basically saying hey love is dangerous so just don't feel anything yeah because bottling up your emotions has never caused problems right" The rule makes perfect sense to trust Jedi across the galaxy to keep a controlled life routine, and you can simply leave the order if you want to. If every Jedi across the galaxy were to have attachments many would let slip an attachment turn into a higher form of attachment that can trigger the Dark Side to corrupt their mind and start making them addicted to it. And just a few Dark Side users can screw the galaxy pretty badly, imagine hundreds. Furthermore, in Legends, the rule has been circumvented, by for example Ki-Adi Mundi and the situation of their species. That goes against the strictness you imply. "let's take Anakin as the ultimate example here this guy had serious emotional baggage losing his mom falling in love with the fear of llosing her but instead of helping him deal with those emotions the Jedi were like feelings oh just just meditate harder bro that's like telling someone with depression to just go outside and touch grass did they really think ignoring his trauma would end well spoiler alert it didn't Anakin's emotional repression literally tore the Galaxy apart" That's a very biased view of the situation. Anikin never told them what happened to his mother, so that means they didn't have that context in mind. And why would the morally dubious Anakin bring that up? With all the sand people he killed that day. They would have most likely expelled him from the order, or do YOU want an order that forgives murder like that? Would you forgive your local military service to do that for someone under a lot of pressure on his shoulders? No, bc that's insane, bc that still doesn't justify it. Any reasonable person would want Anakin expelled there, he's not special bc you relate to him, you can't blame any organization to not give him special treatment, any organization needs to have a limit as to how much bs they're able to allow and tolerate, otherwise you play by your own rules in life. Anakin also hided the fact that he married Padme behind the order's back. He should have just left the order to marry her, but he believed himself above the rules. And now you not just blame the rules, you blame the rules for not understanding a situation the Jedi were not told bc Anakin was hiding it from them by going against the rules. Your ultimate example is also an evil Sith, going against your earlier claim. Furthermore, they did not want to train Anakin at first, they were emotionally manipulated to do so as it was the dying wish of a respected Jedi. You can't blame the rules when a standard situation would never allow the same to happen.

[@dannylopez5976]

Also fun fact most of the extended universe material that ever painted the Jedi in a negative light was written by a guy who had a vendetta against the Jedi but loved the shit out of mandaloreans.

[@jommyheyman1180]

To anyone who has seen this video, including its creator, *PLEASE* watch the video "We asked YOU to accuse the Jedi Order - Here's the Defense to your Charges" by Geetsly's, because it covers basically everything in this video & why it's (almost) all wrong. I'll have some hightlights below countering specific points in this video, both with info. from Geetsly's video & from information I've found myself. 1. "The Jedi Code rejected all feelings, rather than just toxic attachtments" This is the opposite way around: though the jedi are meant to only reject toxic obsessions that hinder their dedication to the Force, many interpreted this as meaning no connections at all. Ki-Adi-Mundi in Legends was an example of this, as he had a whole family who was massacred early in the Clone Wars & he couldn't care less about it. He even tried using that as a lesson to Anakin to not care about any of his close ones dying, & Mundi was an exception with this kind of psychopathy. The Jedi Code instead taught Jedi to have compassion for all things, just not let any particular attachment overshadow that duty, as Anakin himself practically says to Padmé on the refugee ship in Attack of the Clones. Hell, this type of diconemy is shown in Disney Canon, as in the High Republic novel "Temptation of the Force", Jedis Elzar Mann & Avar Kriss get into a romantic relationship. At a point in the book Elzar actually goes to Yoda to ask for advice about the situation, & rather then telling him to reject any feelings, Yoda gives legitimately good & healthy relationship advice to him with only a pinch of "don't let it distract you from your duty". After that Elzar & Avar talk about this & agree to let their love strengthen their connections to the Force, rather then seperate them from it. 2. "The Jedi disrupt the balance of the Force by rejecting the Dark Side" The "Light Side" & the Dark Side are not a Yin-Yang diconemy despite what their names suggest. The "Light Side" wasn't established as a concept until after the Prequels released; before that the Jedi simply followed "The Force". The best way to imagine the relationship between the Force & the Dark Side is that the Force is a Living Organism: something made from innumerable parts working to mutually sustain everything. By contrast the Dark Side is a cancer which feeds on it's original host for only its benefit & if it were allowed to do so would result in everything dying, including itself. You do not try to coexist with a cancer; you cut it out before it kills you. Even in universe the Jedi learned this, as in Legends the Je'daii which preceded them believed in the Yin-Yang diconemy & strived to balance the "Ashla" (Light) & "Bogan" (Dark). They ultimately found this an impossible tightrope to walk & became the Jedi as a response. 3. "The Jedi did not acknowledge the mysterious circumstances of the Clone Wars" The Clone Wars was an expertly laid trap by Palpatine. It forced the Jedi into acting 1 of 2 ways: either go along with Republic & trust the Clones or be branded as traitors along with ex-jedi Dooku if they went against the Republic in any way, including neutrality. Nonetheless the Jedi did look into & question the war. At a point in the Clone Wars show they even found out that Dooku had a hand in the creation of the Clone Army, but as Yoda & others acknowledge in those episodes & in the movies: they have no choice but to go with the war to get any idea of who the true mastermind of the Clone Wars was. Ultimately they had no wiggle room to do anything & when they did finally uncover the scheme they were branded traitors & executed anyways. Also it was said by Yoda in the movies that the Force was being shrouded by the Dark Side, so it was much more difficult to commune with it to find answers. So no matter what happened or could've happened in the Clone Wars, just about everything worked in Palpatine's favor by design. 4. "The Jedi stole children & indoctrinated them" With few exceptions or odd cases like Anakin the Jedi always asked parents or guardians if they wanted their children to be a Jedi. If they didn't then the Jedi would leave them alone & in the Disney canon novel "Ashoka" it is said that these kids would likely lose their force sensitivity over time from a lack of training & live normal lives. Even as Jedi it was heavily discouraged, but not disallowed, to know about or communicate with your family. Obi-Wan knew his home planet & even remembered having a brother but he & other Jedi simply felt no desire to seek them out. The reason this was discouraged at all or why they were mainly recruited as toddlers by the time of the movies was to not let them get more attached to their previous lives than their overall dedication to all life/the Force, such as the case of Dooku thinking himself as superior to others because of being the heir to some aristocrats; a role which he eventually left the Jedi for. As for education they did get proper education in Math, Writing, etc. along with topics about the Force or survival skills so on average Jedi got better educations than many citizens across the galaxy. & if these people who never got a choice wanted to leave the order, they could, as was the case with Ashoka (though her case is an extreme example). 5. "The Jedi acted as the arrogant authority over the Force & accepted no other views" While this is true to an extent, it is not completely true. In the Disney canon High Republic novel "Path of Vengence" there is a council called the Convocation of the Force which resides on Jedha that has representatives from orders like the Jedi, the Guardians of the Whills, the Fallanassi & even the Sorcerers of Tund (a millennias old Dark Side cult, though at the time of the novel they are with the "Light Side"), where they try to understand eachother's beliefs about the Force & create unity between them. It is also important to remember that the Star Wars story is written to support the perspective of the Jedi. You cannot watch all of the Star Wars movies & have Han Solo's view on the Force not existing in A New Hope. Even more nuanced views on the Force like Darth Plagueis' in his Legends novel cannot be fully true because of what happens in all Star Wars media. Though the Jedi are a bit too trigger happy to call people who don't 100% align with them Dark Siders they are often right because their world is literally written around them. Are the Jedi perfect? Absolutely not. By their last few centuries they were a dogmatic group who had gotten too wrapped up with the dealings of the Republic over communing with the Force. Though they did help in the wider galaxy with issues like slavery they likely could've done more in times of peace then we see. They also should've helped Anakin more than they did since they did recognize his mental & emotional issues (hence them trying to not have him join the order in Phantom Menace or not making him a Master in Revenge of the Sith). Also despite them having their hands tied behind their backs during the Clone Wars, they shouldn't have brought Padawans onto the battlefield in that conflict, less so any conflict before that. Ultimately in order to have avoided their fate in the Clone Wars they should've been more self-aware of what they became centuries before Palpatine was even born. But yeah, if anyone has read this comment, I'd highly recommend watching Geetsly's video since it covers more topics than I did here. Though it mainly focuses on Legends content it is far more extensive than I was here.

[@pladampa]

I'm a Sith guy. Cooler powers lightsabers and more powerful overall.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Same ✅

[@jaieregilmore971]

I got to disagree I still like the Jedi they were not about casting aside their emotions they all about keeping them under control so it won’t dictate their actions. In Star Wars balance is not a yin yang the dark side inherently corrupt balance is the light side the force in it natural state which is the absence of those who use the dark side in which are the Sith they are a cancer to the force. The Jedi were not failures a thousand years of peace meant they were doing something right and they are not a cult that pretty much are the Sith.

[@thepathofeden73]

This video was brought to you by the Imperial Security Bureau.

[@Eficiente_VSB]

1 minine in and this was already full of sh*t, I'm gonna make a critique of the video which may get deleted for being a long comment in a youtube video.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

I love this channel because its another good one that puts the Jedi to shame & I'm always happy to see that happen ✅ Whether it be in the High republic era or the clone wars that organisation is one of the stupidest I have ever seen to ever exist in all of fiction 🤣✅ Sure you had some decent individuals in the group but the team as a whole needed to be destroyed & made a new or disbanded permanently due to how ineffective they were as a collective. The only people that Love these Jedi characters are the children that fantasise about their heroes or people that think like that but when you dig deeper into the character of these people such as Yoda , Obi-Wan , Mace Windu , Master Sol etc then you would see that they are more "Evil" then the Sith could ever be. Order 66 was a true Blessing in disguise & I was glad when it had happened to give the Jedi of that time period a much needed restart for sure ... #GreatChannel 🔥

[@leogolive]

I just want the Force. I’ll use it however I see fit. This video is spot on about the Jedi.

[@TheOneWhoShushes]

It’s really not, and that mentality will leave you to be forcibly made a pawn of the Sith Lord they were against or cut down by his lap dogs. From the inquisitors or Vader himself

[@michaelr3077]

I always wondered what star wars fans liked about the jedi, so when i finally got deeper into the series i only kept finding flaw after flaw. It made me wonder why did peoplelike these space wizards that clearly caused so much harm? The more i learned the less i wanted to be a jedi. If i had the force i would never want to follow the jedi practices. it truly is no wonder why they fell. Its just a shame it took a massacre to finally do it.

[@Ash-Winchester]

It's not the jedi they like, It's the pew pew laser sword and hippie superpowers they like.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Exactly well said 🔥

[@neaps8418]

not sure if your aware of this fact Critical Analysis Hub but. in Star Wars legends the jedi order never started as the full on dogmatic, hypocritical, cultist as you know them as. when they started at the beginning they were known as the "Je'daii Order" this order was more akin to monks living outside of the republic doing their own thing while also believing in the dark side instead of trying to "bring balance to the force" by exterminating them

[@SpiderSora]

I'll be a gray Jedi so I can bend the rules like Luke and Cal because im not shutting off my emotions and never falling in love, I already have fallen in love and it's made me more happier and its part of being human, The Jedi telling Anakin to shut off his emotions and suck it up is the equivalent of telling Men in our society to man up which is toxic

[@Alexzander1989]

There is no such thing as Grey Jedi, that’s just something fans came up with to explain why their Jedi character is using dark side powers like lightning And folks that take the Kotor alignment meter way too literally 🫤 Just be a Jedi in Luke’s New Jedi Order from the original EU and you’ll be fine

[@Eficiente_VSB]

"here's the thing attachment isn't inherently bad it's human or well sentient love connection grief they're part of what makes life meaningful by forcing their members to suppress all of that the Jedi weren't creating peace they were creating ticking time bombs" They already know that, they don't tell the rest of the galaxy to not love, you can even leave the order and go love someone. So they were creating ticking time bombs across 1000 generations of peace, but 99.999% of them didn't go off, most were pretty chill and happy, and the only bad were required many immoral flaws and views of things and lots of external tragedies. It's nonsense, those guys were ticking time bombs, everyone else was fine as they were. "how are you supposed to protect the Galaxy when you don't even know how to deal with basic emotions that's like hiring a firefighter who's scared of water" See above. "the Jedi order's whole mission is to bring balance to the force but let's be honest their idea of balance is like someone who thinks a diet means eating one vegetable and then three Donuts they say they want balance but their entire philosophy is about eradicating the dark side how is that balance imagine a scale with light on one side and dark on the other now imagine someone yeting the dark side off the scale entirely congratulations you've achieved imbalance" George Lucas said it, "balance" is the light side, removing the dark side. Bc the dark side makes you a servant of evil. Disney misunderstands this, but is yet to confirm it so in-universe. "the Sith are obviously terrible nobody's defending Palpatine here but the Jedi's obsession with wiping them out is just as problematic" You would need to be an evil bastard to want other evil bastards runs around free in the galaxy. WHY would any faction not want an evil faction gone? HOW is having that as your job something that can be seen as an "obsession"? That's like saying that cops obsess over crime, you need to work on that 24/7 or else people suffer, simply as that. It's not problematic, it's removing injustice. "You can't have light without dark" Wrong, how about when Pals died and there was peace for a time? Or when Pals died again and we got peace indefinitely? "the force isn't about good versus evil it's about Harmony Duality but they see everything as black and white no nuance" The Dark Side makes you do evil and be a servant of evil, so yes, it is good vs evil. F*ck it, let's lowball it, it's about "those those fight against evil" vs evil. Same result. You do not prove the bs you say about "Harmony" and "Duality," you just say those things. Legit the Jedi talk more about balance than what you say balance actually is. "let's talk about the prophecy of the chosen one he will bring balance to the force oh cool so what do the Jedi do they take the kid shove him into their restrictive order and then act shocked when he tips the scale the other way" See above. Again, you don't even try to be reasonable, you give a biased view of the events. "news flash maybe the chosen one was never supposed to be a Jedi or a Sith maybe he was supposed to be something new something that actually understands balance" Disney canon & Legends: Anakin fulfills the prophecy as a Jedi in the Return of the Jedi Disney canon: Rey brings balance as Anakin once did (as Anakin says in the movie) as "all the Jedi" Once more, you just say sh*t with no substance. "but now the Jedi had to Jedi it up and look where that got us Order 66" It's like a kid's understanding of the world. Again, this goes against your earlier claim of this being their own doing. "for an order that claims to be above Politics the Jedi sure do love meddling in politics they're supposed to be peacekeepers right neutral guardians of justice but then you see them sitting in the Republic Senate like it's the Jedi Chamber of Commerce they're out here Leading Armies influencing laws and basically playing space politicians" Why is any of that wrong in the way that they do it? They're the people sent to do jobs that can escalate, they may as well have a word on the matter, and even they sometimes they don't, they still respond to the Republic. They also have clairvoyant abilities, you can see politicians asking them things more often than not. Their politican power is not higher than talking with real politicians and having their words recognized or dismiss. "let me ask you this how is the Jedi Council any different from the Senate there are a group of Elites in fancy robes who make decisions for everyone else and half the time those decisions are terrible" They don't make the decisions beyond what their area of effect can influence within a given context. The galaxy is ran by the Senate, not the Jedi. At worse, a galaxy in crisis has the Jedi, superhuman warriors who fight to solve the crisis, make decisions that would shape the galaxy, and only if given the chance. I don't trust you to understand this much.

[@Ash-Winchester]

" "balance" is the light side, removing the dark side." That is the exact opposite of balance.

[@Eficiente_VSB]

@@Ash-Winchester That's like saying that having balance in your body means having equal parts of healthy and unhealthy. You do not accept the bad, it's very simple.

[@Ash-Winchester]

​@ That like using an incredibly inaccurate allegory to prove a false point and make yourself sound right. If the force is composed of light and dark, then you cannot achieve balance by eradicating the dark, for the dark is the force. You're effectively trying to destroy a part of the force itself. But the force is not black and white, there is only the force, there are no sides to choose from. The force existed long before the jedi and sith split it into the light and dark. What matters is the mindset of the person wielding it and what they use it for.

[@Eficiente_VSB]

@ You are very confused, and when you don't say dogmatic things you say things that need to be backed up, but then you don't back them up. Nobody wants to "eradicate part of the Force," only the users of the Force and only after they do supervillain level crimes. The Dark Side makes you do evil, kill others, seek domination for the sake of it, be angry, be addictive to itself, etc. You don't even try to touch this, you vaguely dance around it. The Force is "not black and white," those are just dumb colors; But, a part of the Force is objectively evil. And bc that's bad, a reasonable person would want to remove all influence from it. "The mindset of the person wielding it" is vague and means nothing, they need to not use the Dark Side, and by extension, use the Light Side. Alternatively, they can avoid using the Force if they're not gonna be responsible about it. The Jedi and Sith didn't split the Force, they categorized it, presumably drawing knowledge from the Force itself. Both Light and Dark Side are ok calling themselves that way. You're not being smart by being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical, it's the opposite.

[@Eficiente_VSB]

​@@Ash-Winchester Furthermore, using an inaccurate allegory (which I didn't) doesn't necessarily mean someone wants to prove a false point and make themselves sound right. They could simply get info about the topic wrong, which can cause the allegory to be wrong as well, something far more innocent. No need to villainize.

[@Sebastian_Rabbit]

Who let Count Dooku create a KZbin channel? /j

[@yafada5170]

i will give my opinion on this in due time

[@chewy_bucca]

This was worse rage bait than the Acolyte

[@mphoramathe1801]

Fewer reductionist blanket statements and more nuanced points backed with cannon examples would strengthen your argument.. For example balance between light and dark is not the same as balance in the Force,. Anger, fear, selfishness are not the Darkside, but can lead to it, and are part of the natural balance of a being and the Force. According to Lucas the Force is more like a healthy body, you can have the occasional drink, Mcdonalds or doughnut in balance but too much can cause addictive and destructive behaviour and that behaviour is the darkside...

[@dakotalange2858]

The Je’daii order is the best I wish the schism didn’t happen and they remained till to republic era

[@rickyjohnson7537]

Agree 100%, never liked the Jedi. I always said if I were in the Star Wars universe, I would want to be a Mandalorian. Imo, they're much cooler and less hypocritical.

[@AOT_HxH95]

You’re only basing this off of Disney canon which is the real Legends. Really this vilification of the Jedi Order began with Dave Filoni in TCW. That’s what lead to that show made by Weinstein’s assistant and treating the Sith as the oppressed victim, Marxism does not belong in Star Wars. Of course like the Marxists in our world, the Sith are evil and need to be stopped. If you read Expanded Universe books and comics and played games you’d have a different view of the Jedi. I’m not saying they’re perfect saints, but Disney has subverted and perverted Star Wars to make the good guys bad and the bad guys good and the Jedi are a perfect example.

[@dannylopez5976]

Dumb video.

[@treystephens6166]

George Lucas ruined the Jedi in the Prequels.

[@pixsyalt]

How? And did the sequels fix them?

[@treystephens6166]

@ George Lucas turned the Jedi into Monks.

[@pixsyalt]

@@treystephens6166 they have always looked like monks. That specifically has always been alluded to. Just a nitpick

[@treystephens6166]

@ how was it alluded to that the Jedi were Monks???

[@pixsyalt]

@ lets see first the New Hope Obi wan is literally dressed as one. both obi wan and Yoda in the Empire Strikes back is telling Luke to let go of your feelings, to essentially let go of his humanity. which is the same thing buddist monks did BTW. How about you go back and watch the films again and get your OT purist fan fiction out of your head. watch the films the way how George Lucas intended it, because surprise, surprise everything you hate about the prequels has been in the back of his mined while writing the OT