MY ENGINE ON MY MERCEDES C63 IS FLOODED!! OR IS IT?...

[@hitmanjls30]

Watched 3 years of content over the last 3 weeks since finding this channel. Love every minute of it! Now, I have to wait like everyone else for new vids. Keep up the great work!

[@opticaltrace4382]

Better batt. Drop the oil. Inspect oil. Fresh oil/filter. If ok then comp test again but all at wide open throttle. Comps should all be within 10% of each other

[@moodyk1979]

I would definitely drop that oil first, put a new filter and also be really careful cranking it especially if the oil pump has gone. Didn’t like that clicking sound when you were turning it over, sounded a bit strange. Would definitely becareful when cranking and making sure it builds up oil pressure too. Think if it runs ok might be worth getting a Terraclean if you don’t want to strip off the head etc

[@paulwilkinson5163]

As of the 13th of December that car was in msl performance for a stage 1 left there with 470+ bhp

[@broken12367]

Personally I’d drop the sump and have a look in there for any metal or debris. If ok change the oil and give it a whirl.

[@malloymotorsports780]

17yr Mercedes master technician here. I'm about 90% sure the alignment dowels on the camshaft broke and the motor jumped time. The M156 is a interference engine and this has been an on-going issue. there is a 4mm metal dowel that locates the cam sprocket to the camshaft. these cam break, ( usually on the exhaust cam) base timing moves and the pistons smack the valves. In severe cases the motor will be locked.

[@SavingSalvage]

Thanks! Would I still have compression like I do with the timing out?

[@jonathanlevoir4998]

No way it has been flooded, there would be evidence through the air box and filters, if it’s been left for a while it would have gone mouldy as well. I place my money on a big time bottom end knock when it starts ! Great video as always - love this channel, thanks

[@dj_paultuk7052]

i would be doing an oil and filter change before firing it up. The oil filter is showing signs of imploding. Which means its partially blocked.

[@ville85]

And looked like there were some particles in the filter, maybe bearing material.

[@MrMattlock]

Great video, that oil filter is odd though. either someone damaged it when installing it. or there's been something odd going on with the lubrication system. Would a seized oil pump, or blocked oil pipe cause that? I think I'd definitely drop the oil and examine it before starting it and maybe check the oil pump operation if it's accessible.

[@ProMilkshake]

GM/Vauxhall/Saab 2.0 2.2 and 2.4 engines all do this to their filters. My oil filter looks like that after every oil change which gets done every 6-8k miles. I've tried a handful of different brands of filters including genuine vauxhall with the same results. Could be perfectly normal.

[@matthewbriggs388]

@@ProMilkshake agreed. I think it’s more important that there’s nothing untoward lodged in the filter paper. I always let mine drain and then check for this.

[@richardjones5255]

There is something that does not entirely add up in this one, I suspect that you could be on the right trail over the insurance, the oil filter looks far from wonderful. Could that point to an issue. Refill the oil, perhaps fit a new filter, crank it with the fuel supply fuse missing and ensure it builds pressure before you try to run the sleeping beast.

[@paulmerrick6980]

Look at the MOT history, it fails several times on tyres . Once with the cords exposed. If you can’t afford tyres then it’s not going to have been serviced either. That would explain the 5 year old looking oil filter.

[@moodyk1979]

Also that it’s probably had a hard life too and loads is burnouts etc, or drifting. That’s the prob, many pick them up because they can purchase the car at good prices then when it comes to maintenance they can’t afford to look after them.

[@MrAvant123]

That oil filter looked like the original one or very early on in the cars life as I wouldnt have expected any recent servicing would have used an AMG filter

[@paulmerrick6980]

Agreed, original owner would have had a car like this serviced. From experience Mercedes servicing isn’t cheap. Last owner has not had this serviced and probably had it ‘tuned’ then ragged it to death. I’m expecting it to knock like a bastard when it fires up.

[@matthewbriggs388]

Try that compression test on cylinder 1 again. Also check that the throttle was open when you did the earlier tests. Jam it open if necessary. If cylinder one is still low, try a squirt of engine oil see if that improves it. If it does it’s worn bore/ rings. Good luck 🤞🏻

[@sats7819]

Bent valve

[@matthewbriggs388]

@@sats7819 eeek. I agree that’s a strong possibility. Hope not though. I’m just recommending to rule out what he can before diving in and stripping it.

[@filipa9925able]

You better get a good battery, Mercedes are a bit specific about battery numbers, also there is a second battery that may get you in many kind of problems.

[@colinw1591]

Possibly a dodgy claim, but would have thought an assessor would have inspected it for flood damage? I wouldn't try starting it without an oil and filter change and possibly additional lubrication in the cylinder bores.... Good luck though.

[@andrewcordery6157]

Compression figures might be a bit uneven due to lack of oil pressure in the hydraulic tappets if its been sat for a bit, no rust on the bores so deffo not flood damaged from water getting into the engine, if it was flooded the water still would be there regardless of time, it sounded very "clicky" when cranking Chuck plugs in and try it like you said, deffo more to it than what's you've been told but if its a copart car I'm not surprised

[@nickmoore2301]

Looking at when you changed the battery the battery tray looked rusty, you sure it wasn't flood damaged in the rear ? 🤔 Great video as always 👍

[@georgedaville4662]

Being watching a video on another channel about a Merc 350d ML, classified as chassis damage. Engine was wrecked, snapped timing chain after oil pump seizure! Obvious insurance blag 😡. This one turns over though, curious. Maybe remove the cam covers to check the cams and chains ? Great high tension content though, fingers crossed for you. 🤞😎

[@Retirement_Life]

Great video, Dean. Like a lot of others, personally I would drop the sump and check the oil and look for debris before trying to run that beast of a v8

[@mercedes_and_more]

Top tip - if you press the button on the side of the passenger side bonnet strut then the bonnet will lift to almost vertical giving you better access 👍👍

[@SavingSalvage]

Learn something new every second with this car 👍🏽🤣

[@mercedes_and_more]

@@SavingSalvage it's a Mercedes thing!

[@Bomber123AL]

@@SavingSalvage once you learn working on Mercedes you will never want to work on VAG again... its just leaps ahead in terms of logical engineering.

[@Parknest]

Compression readings should be within 10% of each other. With the loose carbon in some of the cylinders, I'm wondering if carbon build-up is causing the valves to not seal properly. Change the engine oil and filter before attempting a start. Once it is running, the excess carbon should burn off and restore compression.

[@mrbakerr1]

Agreed, I don’t think how high the values are is as important as there being no more than 10% difference between highest and lowest figure.

[@SavingSalvage]

I know with VAG the variance is actually quite high. Like 20-25% allowed. So that’s why I wasn’t sure with merc

[@alantaylor7407]

Drop the oil and filter and check them for contaminates, maybe drop the sump for any debris as well.better to be safer than sorry.

[@whollymindless]

Although inconsistent, even your lowest compression number looks strong. Without good oil flow they won't seal right anyway. Looking forward to the beast's roar.

[@armands3863]

I've been watching your vids for a long time, always get the notification, always put a like before even seeing the vid . Just wanted to say I appreciate a lot your content and your choice of cars is exactly the kind I like . Keep up the good work!

[@mpostilezoleka993]

Check oil condition and change that filter before you try to start it

[@kevinvandenbroek2691]

Great video! I think it's a good idea to change the engine oil before firing it up. Maybe there is water in the oil like you said at the beginning of the video and then you'll maybe damage the engine. Love the content by the way! Keep up the good work 💪

[@kevinvandenbroek2691]

The engine hasn't been fired up for months so every fluid had its time to sink to the lowest part of the engine,, the sump

[@marksaunders2500]

Hi from durham dean👋👍 pleased you've made a start on merc and sorry had rough week man😵 drain oil cooler and oil see whats its like if any evidence amoungst it cos looks like filters have collapsed a bit may of starved a bit for oil or jumped timing possibly I would defo thru really good battery on her tho for starts but hope everything is ok tho👌 thanks for your time and be safe see you soon👍👋

[@michaelwall3931]

love your videos, but especially loving this as it's something a bit different and a little out of your comfort zone.

[@billywhizz98]

Lift the fronts and rear carpets to see if theirs any water as some cars the have the wiring loom have modules there

[@eQuASiANXane]

do be aware that with a prefacelift car it'll need the revised headbolts since they're a common failure point. Also the passenger side rocker cover always ends up cracking.

[@sinusshephard5314]

Fuel injectors leaking?

[@adampyro834]

10 bar is around 145 psi according to Google so id say compression is surprisingly good considering that carbon build up... have to say cylinder 1 looked like a snapped off valve at first, i thought oh god its jammed in and stopping engine from rotating. cylinder 5 looked like grease squirted out from a gap in the rings, never seen oil do that so how that carbon formed i dont know but compression doesnt indicate anything as an issue. can you do a leak test on each cylinder to see how much they loose? i really want to see the oil now. i think the oil filter has been there a long time and might not have been far off starting to break down

[@HuntsChris]

A mini vac in the pistons would have been a bit of extra comfort to make sure nothing was in them, no rust in the bores at all, I don’t think that engine has seen water.

[@shaundadson8302]

Hope you've struck lucky and its just carbon in the bores Dean, but it did look ominously like shavings of bore coating in a couple of those bores. Don't know about this engine, but I know a lot of modern engines use a hard coating such as Nikasil to line the Aluminium bore walls for the piston rings to run on and that this does fail. Although you have quite high compression readings there is a large variation in some, (although as others have said this could be due to the bores being dry after standing). The oil filter didn't look nice either, (obviously been installed by someone caring!) and the noise on cranking didn't sound great. Fingers crossed when you hit the start button.

[@samcourt6228]

Thank god the stripes have gone! The wonky badges in the engine cover makes my teeth itch though! 😂 Will be interesting to see if it does start.

[@jeremyaustin9103]

Really nice to see some other car brands on your channel... especially Benz

[@mick2867]

This beast is hiding something that you will find ...Great content as ever

[@steve0680657]

A small squirt of 2 stroke mix into each cylinder (10% 2 stroke oil, 90% petrol) might change the compression on cylinders that were low. Could just be the rings need some lubrication to seat cleanly after being sat so long.

[@hughjarse4627]

That will give you a false reading

[@steve0680657]

@@hughjarse4627 nope. It's called a wet compression test. Google it. It removes any discrepancies caused by the rings that have sat dry for months, and that would ultimately clear up if the engine could run and get hot+lubricated like normal.

[@markhollinshead4153]

I’m very intrigued to see if that engine starts and runs, I wonder if the piston pitting is due to pre-ignition?

[@mickkingston1450]

Drop the oil see if water in the pan. You will get propper compression once the carbon has cleared ! Piston rings could be carboned up a bit 👍

[@Wiltshire-observer]

I was thinking it before you mentioned it: (an insurance fiddle because something else was too expensive to repair). Those spark plugs looked very light grey, could be it was running very lean or hot ?. Start it up carefully !. Have you got an oil pressure gauge you can try ?…

[@SuperRon]

interesting development 🤔 you might be onto something with the insurance scam. that oil filter looks well past it's best sucking itself in like that. fingers crossed for you it starts right up!

[@brandymaboy1979]

Two batteries on this two mate one in boot just AUX one. Real one under bonnet right side up top.

[@SavingSalvage]

Bloody cars with 2 batteries! Thanks mate will check it out 😂

[@MrGMawson2438]

10:37 looks like a bit of solder

[@muffindell]

The engine has no evidence of internal flood damage. I'd pull the sump off to see if there is any metal pieces or if the oil pump has failed before running the engine with the plugs in place. The car has obviously not been looked after by the state of the oil and oil filter. Good work, hurry up with the next video!

[@game4alaughman]

Can you offer any advice on cleaning the carbon off a mk2 Octavia pd engine BKC, and giving it a wee clean … is it still safe to drop Diesel redex down glow plugs hole and leaving soaking for a while then start her up and get her a good rev, I did this years ago with a petrol Mitsubishi, but never tried it on a Diesel ?

[@jamesbrett6518]

What did Car Vertical have to say? Any error codes? Purely from watching Salvage Rebuilds, they've been to an independent Merc specialist with a "Star" machine IIRC.

[@Jaypem12]

Yeah the stripe was hardly a priority but I would done exactly the same as you.

[@auwz66]

Drop the oil. If its clean then try and start it. I would lube all the cylinders overnight and use the old plugs for the first start. If its ok then put fresh ones in. Also I suspect there is something wrong... probably an insurance scam IYSWIM.. maybe a piston has lost a skirt or possibly a broken vale spring or something liek that

[@paveljelinek772]

Knackered battery? There's an easy (but not quick) fix.. a full week (weak?) of charge, 2amps max, 1amp ideal, it will revive close to 90% of it's origo cap.. i swear

[@goodcharlz]

If car doesn't start when you connect new battery or recharged one lock doors open and repeat this deals with potential issues on immobilizer preventing car starting as the ecu needs to learn about the new battery, seen this many times

[@jamiejlen2162]

I'd be draining the oil and checking if there's water in there first and giving it new oil and filter b4 tryin to start it.. plus if its water damaged and the water has dried wouldn't there be evidences of rust by now?

[@stuartyaxley5308]

Definitely not flood damage as there would still be water in the bores even after a few months and I'm pretty sure the airfilter would have signs of water Mark's. Drop the sump and go from there.

[@mildtowild167]

More thank likely bottom end gone, someone then parked it in a river to do the insurance claim! Great video !

[@teamemusrcreviews3225]

I do enjoy your methodical approach and eye for detail, nice cars and nice videos, I’ve never seen an oil filter cartridge like that? Looks like it’s been in a vacuum?👍👍👍🚗🚗🚗

[@Jason-zh7wo]

Doesn't look like the engine was started when it was in water, if it was... The interior is OK? I would think there would be evidance of flood damage if it was 🤔

[@stevo4649]

thankyou Dean,an interesting video and good content.look forward to you repairing and getting this on the road again,,

[@ShalomBrother]

What other channel has it been on?

[@tristanpage6805]

Great video. Looking forward to the journey

[@LB2023_]

Drain the oil, sump off inspect for metal shavings or water . If there’s nothing suspicious from there I would go ahead and seal and bolt the sump back on crank it with the fuel pump fuse out to build up oil pressure then proceed to proper start up, very strange how it’s classified as water damaged no rust and surely there would’ve been some indication of water. Removing valve covers for inspection of cams & chain wouldn’t be a bad shout either.

[@SavingSalvage]

All seems a bit fishy to me!

[@ModshackMerlin]

Are there any trouble codes in the ODB history that might give you a clue? Even the most basic ODB code reader will tell you something. I'd be changing the oil and looking for oil pressure before trying to start it.

[@mikethebike6018]

Best way to fix a fully flat battery is to trickle charge until the needle has gone to max then either keep charging until needle back down or swap over to a bigger charger.You couldn't pull away in top gear could you!

[@SavingSalvage]

I left it on trickle for 20 hours, but I’ve since found out there’s two batteries 😂

[@666markyboy]

looking at that oil filter im gonna guess top end cam damage or charger damage, I think your right , someone is telling porky's about the flood damage to hide an expensive repair bill

[@martyndavies1482]

Drop the sump and remove valve covers to check what going on inside.

[@grahamek86]

Should have just tried to fire it up and see what happens. Likely lifter has worn through and someone's claimed "flood". If it's lifter damage, you can work round that, starting it won't cause much more damage.

[@RichsRides]

Mate that sounded very clicky when you were cranking it, should just spin free and whir? Compression issue could just be a oil supply issue as it's sat for a long time. Have you retested Cyl 1 since? I'd def drop the oil and do a precautionary change before trying to start it. Good luck dude.

[@SavingSalvage]

My guess is that the ticking is the hydraulic tensioners and because it hasn’t run for so long there’s no oil in them. Now I know there’s 2 batteries I’ll try and get some oil circulating before I start

[@stephendutton3766]

Still adds up to someone that didn't know what they are doing... fact they didn't really check the battery, and how it looks like its not had any love...oil filter. Wouldn't be surprised if a carbon clean, new oil filters, etc. And it's all good plus the battery.

[@bratmm]

It will start up straight away...i would put some fogoil in to the cylinders before start...looking forward for the next video

[@PompeyMatt17]

yep as Sreten does on M539 Restorations....fogging oil for men 😄

[@hobbybymyself870]

in my opinion would be right to drain the old oil and check for any water in it. If there is no water at all just fill it back with old oil and try it. You do not want to start it with any water in the oil believe me

[@andrewgeddes4160]

Looks like the some of the pistons have hit the valves leaving circles on the crowns

[@AdeReeves]

Gonna look forward to this progressing.. 👍

[@AlexKingstone]

Exciting to see new episodes! Cool car 👍

[@PiperLund]

Now I have to be on edge to see if it will start. But as someone eller commented, maybe change the oil first?

[@SavingSalvage]

The oil looks fine for a start up, I will however change the filter for the start. As that’s done for

[@paulroberts1863]

Can’t wait till the next video to see if it starts, but yes I agree with others, new oil filter and oil just in case 👍

[@The_journeyy]

This is that type of situation were if I bought a car and the engine had an issue I'd be screwed because I've no mechanical knowledge 🤣

[@perfektrepairs7934]

Water bent some rods will knock. Or gearbox has what itself and they done insurance claim with water

[@notrut]

Drop the Oil before proceeding, look for water contamination.

[@davidparratt7535]

Hello Mrs Mr Savage I think it's going to start first turn of the key and I don't know any about that sort of cars you could go down to Mercedes about it a handbook I caught a healthier go to a main dealer and they can help you with more by the way I do like your channel

[@craigjob6932]

Oil change put it back together and start it I think with it being tuned someone blown it up and said its flooded to claim on insurance 🤔

[@SavingSalvage]

That’s what I’m thinking

[@craigjob6932]

@@SavingSalvage will find out when you fire it up and it will either poor smoke or Rodney will be knocking what ever the outcome I'm sure you will sort it

[@amosy8345]

The quality of your production is on point mate! It’s just the video quality that’s pretty bad, upgrade camera?

[@SavingSalvage]

Should of been 1080p? Yes I’m getting a new camera 👍🏽

[@amosy8345]

Saving Salvage yeah 1080p but it’s the actual picture quality. Looking forward to that man otherwise great videos

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

There's a lot of videos out there with c63 engine probs. Are they unreliable?

[@Franz_giblet]

I thought the compression in the cylinders should be within 10% of each other.

[@hgas9631]

It should but remember this engine hasn’t been ran in a long time. Everything is dry. It’s a good baseline and should run. Numbers will probably be closer after it’s warmed up and oil circulating

[@khalilhuman9901]

@SavingSalvage that black stripe was driving me insane too 😅

[@jackmillin]

Bloke who owned it previous looks like a right tool looking at his KZbin and tiktok videos. Doing 120mph with his phone in his hand videoing it.

[@SavingSalvage]

👀👀 😂

[@hughjarse9504]

And from the running commentary he sounds like an excitable 12-year-old, holding a phone in one hand and whipping his Skippy with the other.

[@acorndogs904]

Get 2 batteries they always come in handy Those yokes should have 2 batteries in them I would of thought she will start but she's gonna knock Bottom end Pinicchio springs to mind

[@chrismasondarts]

Im going for main bearings issue, will knock its bollocks off lol.

[@petedougan5682]

How do you rate Mercedes quality compared to VAG ?

[@TheOriginalDaveJ]

Hope you've did a video with you sortin yer truck!?

[@stuartunderwood4577]

That cars local to me here in South Cumbria. Does it still have the big brake kit on it?

[@adriandukes7690]

Definitely a mystery but it’s going to be interesting

[@seanharris3217]

Looks like a valve moulded it self to the piston

[@pgprice1663]

you will see soon good luck

[@PompeyMatt17]

I really need you to put fogging or at least some oil down the bores before you crank it again....pleeeeeease 🙏

[@Kevmac332]

It's going to run dean but may have issues!! .... thank god you removed the chav stripe ... the mind boggles 🙄 Wishing you well 🙏

[@v4nd3l39]

When u said that u need to look at what was in the Cylinders look like u have a Fly 🪰 in one and it then Buzzed off 😆 🤣 😂

[@markoboyle77]

Great video . Thanks

[@Jack-fs5hs]

Wish you where full time youtube mate. Cracking vids

[@Mcbrand67]

It makes me wonder if maybe the bearings are shot on the crankshaft.

[@bempomaa489]

👋🏽, By the accent I guess your not from west-Midlands right? 👋🏽😊🇬🇭

[@MrAvant123]

The clicking on turnover is more than just empty hydraulic lifters I think, but this is a very complex engine in the top end.

[@darrenarnold7361]

This looks lovely jubbly

[@maverick4177]

Oil starved? I’d expect an oil pump change is a nightmare on one of those!!!!

[@thegingerhustle3173]

Behind on payment, claim on insurance to save credit rating