My EPIC Deck Build - How to Frame a Deck // Episode 2

[@chamillet1955]

I’ve watched probably over 40 videos on this topic. So far yours are the most informative and straight to the point!

[@chamillet1955]

Also loving the accountability in the comments!

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@quinni9390]

Bro, I watch a lot of KZbin diy videos and I gotta say, you are KILLING it! Keep up the good content!

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thanks man! I really appreciate it.

[@amigoatlantic829]

I enjoyed! Thank you! Respect from Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 ❤

[@DIYDeclassified]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sam-and-angela]

Dude! Those black hex head lag bolts are next level!

[@DIYDeclassified]

I was very excited when I saw them at Lowes. Adds that little extra detail that is easily overlooked.

[@secretlake5528]

They are screws, you need a nut and washer to call them bolts

[@patrickzielinski6386]

Thanks for putting this together, great editing and commentary.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you. Im glad you liked it.

[@deeeeeeps]

Just so people know you can't use deck screws on your hangers and you can't be using OSB exposed outside.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Yeah, I trusted the wrong employee on the screw selection. This summer I will be doing a video on some other deck improvements I made, and I will be addressing some of the errors pointed out by the community. Thank you for your attention to detail. It not only helps me improve my products, but helps the community as well.

[@magicmic384]

You beat me to both points!! I was like…Pressure Treated OSB??

[@monsta21cb]

Simpson makes screws specifically for hangers

[@s2krookie]

although by code you can't, those things arent going anywhere. Code over engineers every damn thing, because some idiot somewhere 45 years ago killed himself and now new rules and regulations are upon us. LOL. a 2x8 joist hanger with 8 fasteners of any kind will hold perfectly fine

[@ChristopherVPepe]

Hey man, I just found your channel. Great content! I like your explanations! Good projects! I subscribed! Thanks for making these DIY tutorials. They don't exist on TV anymore. It's all entertainment reality shows that try to pass as home improvement. They don't teach.

[@DIYDeclassified]

THANK YOU! This is the exact reason I started this journey. I was always frustrated to see a TV show where you get half the episode doing demo, then BOOM! Projects done.

[@ChristopherVPepe]

@@DIYDeclassified exactly! Don't forget they had to delve into everyone's feelings while trying to make stupid jokes to entertain us. They became nothing more than reality shows. On behalf of us do it yourselfers, thanks for what you do!

[@steffenlilly3751]

nice video. if there was one piece of information I would add, since this is a DIY, you might speak to the hardware you are using. To meet code, you are supposed to use very specific screws to attach joists. You can't just grab construction screws. They don't have the required sheer strength and could lead to catastrophic failure. Simpson makes screws that meet code. 1.5" for mounting the joist hanger to the header. 2.5" angled through joist into header. just an FYI for any DIY'ers like myself trying to build a deck.

[@DIYDeclassified]

THIS! This is great advice! And I did use the wrong screws on this because I was ignorant to this fact. Last summer I actually replaced a bunch of the screws. Last thing I would ever want is for someone to get hurt on something I built.

[@warrenhaney6038]

You expalined everything really well. Many thanks...gr8 work !!

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you!

[@decksbye3269]

Very well explained. The mystery of deck building revealed.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Ha ha thank you

[@coreyk2998]

Damn this guy is the GOAT, good shit at the end!

[@guitarislife01]

Kiss ass

[@chucke756]

Nice video. Curious why you would use deck screws on on the joist clips instead of structural screws or approved galvanized nails.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Good eye! I used structural screws on a majority of the deck but ran short as I was building the section directly above concrete. Yes, you should use structural, but in my case that area has a short span, and if the screws fail the board will only fall a couple inches. With 6 screws holding in the bracket Im confident they will hold just fine.

[@RM-lk1so]

Screws are thee best way. Although more expensive.

[@panjrobarobaipanj7259]

Cool video Awesome job 👍✅👍

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you!

[@destroy43]

Curious if the joist hangers are needed on the outer edge? Seems like the beam would support it plenty… Regardless, great video!

[@DIYDeclassified]

You are correct. The joist hangers are there only to hold the face frame on. After the project, i relized I could have just screwed the face frame on from the outside. Live and learn I guess.

[@RM-lk1so]

There are inverted Hangers.

[@janolimit22]

Nice, but why not stain and seal the frame the cuts/notches and all?

[@DIYDeclassified]

Its a fail on my part. I did seal every board in my garage before I started, but I failed to seal the cuts once I installed them. Good catch!

[@jshepard152]

Thanks for not nailing your beams to the side of the post like many amateurs on KZbin.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Its one of things I did right, but there are still areas I need to improve on. Thank you for watching.

[@badmaster102]

Wish I found this before I tried to build a deck last week…..

[@DIYDeclassified]

Ha Ha how did it go?

[@naturalsr405]

Nice set of vids. I am about to replace 4x4 posts with 6x6s and this definitely has helped. I'm not doing a full build, but still lots of valuable info

[@DIYDeclassified]

Glad to help! The 6X6 are definitely overkill, but we like that chunky wood look.

[@naturalsr405]

@@DIYDeclassified my ultimate goal is to add a covered roof, so that's the main reason I am doing so now

[@RepairRenovateRenew]

What part of the country are you in? Somewhere windy? The amount of hardware you used is far more than id expect to see.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I live in the west near the Rocky Mountains. We get some good wind storms in my area. But I also have a tendency to over build or strengthen my projects.

[@trevorhardy3544]

The adjustable Simpson post tie is cool, but way too short to hold a post with any significant strength. The need to make them go higher up the post.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I couldnt agree more!

[@thehobbyguy-kj7zv]

Hi, I've been running through a lot of DIY videos in anticipation of building my own deck. But I do have a question I am hoping you'd be able to answer for me. On decks utilizing a cantilever, why are the joist hangers not inverted at the header joist since it is the joists that are actually supporting the header and not the other way around?

[@Danomite99]

Hey there, I also noticed the cantilevered joists. Typically you should avoid it if possible. If it’s the only option, then I always try and stay less than 10% of the total joist span or less. As for reversing the hangars, there is still downward load on the majority of the deck, so having them reversed only solves one load requirement. I have seen where shorter hangars are used on both top and bottom (say 2x6” hangars for 2x10 joists) to carry upward loads also). Never tried this personally, I just avoid large cantilevers! 👍

[@strokerace4765]

Can the beam be canterlevered past the support posts? I have three posts and a 12 foot span, can I space the posts 4 feet apart and have two feet on each side beyond the post?

[@DIYDeclassified]

There are a few factors that go into this. What kind of wood, how wide the boards are, etc. If you go to the website I describe at the beining of my first deck video, they have a chart that will tell you exactly how far you can canterlever your deck based on what materials you have.

[@excelcsllc]

Good video, but every time the music came on I had to lower the volume and every time you have to speak I had to put the volume up! It was very painful!

[@DIYDeclassified]

I appologise. I took some bad editing advice on these deck videos. Thank you for lett me know. Its comments like this that help my editing journey, and provide better quality videos for everyone.

[@mikeferguson6983]

The best explanation and step by step. For me it is great to see all of the steps and see how each piece is measured and attached. Thank you!

[@spankiedoodlesteve2086]

Use half inch EXTERIOR GRADE plywood for builfding your girder support beam. Its going OUTSIDE, osb disintegrates and rots!!! Dont do that again

[@DIYDeclassified]

I built this on 2020 during a wood shortage. I worked with what I could get and did what I could to water proof. But, yes you are correct. You should use exterior grade material for all aspects. Luckily for me I live in a very dry climate where I don't have to worry about too much water.

[@3sixtynow850]

''Great video! What type and size of lag bolts did you use for the outside beam connection to the support posts?

[@DIYDeclassified]

I believe I used 5-1/2 inch Simpson Strong Tie screws, which are rated to replace a lag bolt going all the way through.

[@halloweendad13]

So I am using your post method for a pergola that I am putting up. How do I make sure that the 6 x 6 posts that I am using are square across for when I connect the cross beams?

[@DIYDeclassified]

I set the outside posts first, made sure they were level and square. Then I tied a string line between the two that would give the exact placement of the center posts. Because the post bases I used are adjustable, if I was slightly off, I could broken it back down and readjust before I finished the deck.

[@tylersmith293]

Good info.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mg43472]

I bought too much wood all at once.. all the 2x8s turned into snakes by the time i got to em.. .. couple hundred dollar mistake.. but I can use some still for the outer stairs and landing.. Thanks for the great videos.. well made too..

[@DIYDeclassified]

Sorry to hear that. Especially since wood is so expensive these days. Thank you for the recongition though.

[@strokerace4765]

How do you connect the joists just sitting on the beam?

[@DIYDeclassified]

If you look jump to about 10:12, you will see me installing hurricane ties to each joist attaching it to the beam.

[@tingchen2985]

What is the space between the 2*10" beans?

[@DIYDeclassified]

They are all spaced 12 inches on center. This is the minimum recommendation for most composit decking companies becuase the summer heat will make the boards flexible.

[@ernestfeltman5472]

How far in did you offset your footers and posts?

[@DIYDeclassified]

I think i get what you're asking. The offset of the deck from the footers/posts is 12 inches. You can look up span charts to see how much overhang you can withstand based on the lumber demensions you choos. I could have gotten away with an 18 inch overhang, but I liked how 12 inches looked, so I ran with it. If this is not what you meant, let me know and I will gladly answer your questions.

[@ernestfeltman5472]

@@DIYDeclassified Thanks

[@gergemall]

Thx

[@DIYDeclassified]

You are welcome.

[@Christ62395]

Could you not just add a joist beside the one you’re short ?

[@BodieHammer]

Great video and explanation. Music is a bit LOUD, and a bit unnecessary.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thanks, it took a couple videos to figure out how to balance it.

[@wittttttt]

11:52 Can you just add another joist?

[@DIYDeclassified]

Not for how I am picture framing the deck. The composite decking requires a cross member every 12 inches which is why I had to do it this way. I wish I could have just added another joist.

[@joetenorio4930]

You could have added another joist on the inner joist of the picture frame. This additional joist would have supported the edge of the perpendicular composite deck boards without having to move a joist and cut blocking back. In my mind, you were caught up with the perfect layout for the joist support and missed the easiest, least complicated fix. It happens. Just remember, code and manufacturer suggestions are only MINIMUM requirement. No one says you can’t have joists less than 12” in this particular application.

[@treydogg77]

Personally I would have anchored joist hangers to the front of your concrete porch, started the wood deck from there.

[@DIYDeclassified]

That was the original plan, but we didnt want to go from concrete the deck right off our house.

[@jeffgrzybowski5322]

Enjoy video but the music. If it can be classified as such, is quite annoying.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I appologise. I took some bad editing advice on these deck videos. Thank you for lett me know. Its comments like this that help my editing journey, and provide better quality videos for everyone.

[@chrisholliday1330]

Bring all your audio down to a -5db in post produciton, also when recording your vocals make sure that your dB are not peaking or red lining. Great info but the audio was so horrible that it was nearing unwatchable. I'm a professional wedding videographer

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thanks for the advice man. I took some really bad advice on these videos, and spent a lot of time correcting it on my recent ones.

[@chrispowell4251]

Okay buddy, good video but the OSB is a no, no. Honestly I wouldn't use OSB with anything under my toe nails.

[@DIYDeclassified]

You are not wrong. A little bit of ignorance on my part, I didn’t fully understand which type of plywood to use and gambled on the wrong one. Thank you for the feedback. It helps me make better videos, and provide better content.

[@cedergrenpeter]

Great video; terribly repetitive guitar riff. Made we want to turn off the audio, but then I couldn't hear what you had to say.

[@robertbruins894]

You need to turn the music down

[@DIYDeclassified]

Sorry. I was just learning to edit video and really messed up my audio levels.

[@carminetagz4995]

Good video.. Had to stop watching it because of the music .. is a concert or a educational video

[@DIYDeclassified]

I dont blame you. These were the first videos I have ever edited and I really messed up on the audit. But I do have a solution coming soon. I will be replacing the audio on these videos to improve the watchability. Thanks for the feedback.

[@homebrewer7504]

Get rid of the "Music CRAP". Is this an instructional vid - or worthless Noise for the headbangers...

[@DIYDeclassified]

I appologise. I took some bad editing advice on these deck videos. Thank you for lett me know. Its comments like this that help my editing journey, and provide better quality videos for everyone.

[@brianbailey462]

music is too overwhelming bro

[@DIYDeclassified]

I appologise. I took some bad editing advice on these deck videos. Thank you for letting me know. Its comments like this that help my editing journey, and provide better quality videos for everyone.

[@brianbailey462]

@@DIYDeclassified you are a good sport..

[@ronmassey1721]

Correct me if I'm wrong but are you supposed to break all rim joists on a pier or doubled up joist? You installed the double rim joist on the front that hangs over supported by joists supported by a beam.

[@nevinleiby]

Why place decking over concrete and not just extend deck beyond concrete? More seamless, but that concrete isn’t going anywhere versus deck which has a finite lifetime.

[@Nymets8305]

is the wood you used pressure treated. also deck screws are not a structural screw for joist hangers,

[@DIYDeclassified]

Yeah, I trusted the wrong employee on the screw selection. This summer I will be doing a video on some other deck improvements I made, and I will be addressing the screw issue. Now I get to spend a day replacing them with actual structual screws. For the wood, it is not pressure treated. In my area its hard to get pressure treated, and I built this during peak covid season when you couldnt get wood anywhere. Before I built the deck I layed out every board in my garage and put a sealer on them. Then every spring I go out and re-treat them.

[@jpvela1]

Best Video Ever. Thanks for all the extra work you did to make the video.

[@jasonx4569]

Why didn't you just sister another joist onto the joint that got moved over. A simpler solution. Giving another 2 inches of support.

[@demarmurray3229]

Great work but you didn't show how you square in to get your beam on the post

[@DIYDeclassified]

Sorry man, its a detail I forgot to add to the video. Watch past 5:22 and I explain how I found level on the first post by clamping a joist to it. I did this same thing to the last post. Once I had the two ends set up, i could level across to make sure my beam was level. Because the concreate slab was level that I attached the upper beam to, by lining up the two joists on the ends, I didnt need to do any adjusting on my beam when I leveled across. They were spot on.

[@troyturner6498]

excellent job on admitting and explaining the mistake and the fix. incredibly helpful. good job, thanks

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you for watching. I make mistakes like everyone elese. I hope people see my errors and avoid it themselves, but I also want to show that there is always a way to fix an error.

[@tracyross8334]

instead of moving the joist and making shorter blocking, could you have just added another joist where you needed it? Also, why did you chose not to use some flashing tape on your beams for more water protection. Great videos

[@rgagnon1008]

What software did you use to animate your design?

[@DIYDeclassified]

Microsoft PowerPoint! Seriously, I am new to video editing and Im learning as I go along with these videos. I had to keep it simple instead of trying to learn a new software.

[@israelrodriguez6986]

How far out are the j- bolts supposed to stick out from the concrete? Thanks!

[@fiatr.5472]

Great series! Do you have any footage detailing ledger board installs on vinyl siding?

[@michaelfrank6696]

Stop saying level it's called plumb

[@DIYDeclassified]

Whoops! To clarify for anyone interested, for verticle surfaces, it's called "level." For horizontal surfaces it's called "plumb."

[@sithcdw]

Relax

[@MrGLLawson]

Enjoyed your deck videos. Am I correct that you had 12 inch piers for your 6x6 posts.

[@DIYDeclassified]

That is correct. The 6X6 posts were overkill. We just love the look of the chunky posts so went for the size purely out of style. A 4X4 would have done the job.

[@SaerTurner-wn2qh]

well MR DIY first code violation using common deck screws on the hanger number 2 code violation you did not have any connector plates connecting the post to the beam even though you notched it you are required to use steel connector plates and where you have a joint on the beam you are supposed to lap the beam the beam sol act as a whole or a solid beam and not be in 2 pieces. its not called a header joist its called a rim joist and a proper way to do it is single ply 2x material with a Facia Board that would stager the joints and does not require hangers and should be face screwed or nailed ..

[@DIYDeclassified]

Yeah, I took some bad advice from the crew at the lumber yard on the screws. I was also told that I didn’t require the connector plate because I lag bolted the beam to post. If I’m wrong on this, I apologize. But thank you for the feedback. I am always looking to learn.

[@MS-hd8yq]

​@@DIYDeclassifiedLag bolts and a notched post are acceptable. If you post was not notched and your beam was on top of the posts, then you would need the connector plates

[@guven1001]

I love the video and craftmanship but hated the music every few seconds have to turn down the loud music. Thank you fo the informative video though. Subscribed.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I appologise. I took some bad editing advice on these deck videos. Thank you for lett me know. Its comments like this that help my editing journey, and provide better quality videos for everyone.

[@jeffmartin493]

How did you account for the varying joist depth where they are sitting on top of the beam? Are some just "floating" above the beam?

[@DIYDeclassified]

I measured every joist before using them. There were only a handful off the size of the rest. Anything extra that may have been sticking up, I shaved down with a hand planer.

[@21stcenturyworldsystem46]

Your music is too loud.

[@paulthewall4764]

Build the rim in place instead of on the ground and then lifting the HUGE beam.

[@DIYDeclassified]

Thank you for the tip!

[@Woodkin007]

Hello from the UK, great video. Few questions. 1. Whats the distance of footings from house (whats the max distance you can get away with?) 2. Whats the distsnce between footings?

[@chooch502]

Span tables give distance based on the species of wood pine spruce larch etc, the 2x size , and joist spacing 12 ,16 or 24in.

[@DIYDeclassified]

@chooch502 is correct. I used the span tables from Decks.com to determine what I could get a way with.

[@jamesp7623]

Good information but the music volume makes it unwatchable. Sorry

[@DIYDeclassified]

You are absolutely right! I was just learning how to edit when I did these videos, and I totally messed up the audio. But, I did find a way to fix it without deleting the video and starting over. If you check back at the beginning of February, the problem should be resolved.

[@bitcointahoe]

appreciate you

[@trevorhardy3544]

Using OSB on a deck just completely ruined it.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I was imature in my thoughts on it at the time. It is something I inspect every year now, and blast it with sealant every spring when I seal and stain the posts.

[@evercarranza9643]

On the joist head I would have put the hanger inverted. Thank you!!

[@evercarranza9643]

I'm subscribed

[@DIYDeclassified]

In the moment I didnt think about it, but yes you are right. In fact, I probably could have gotten away without using them on the ends all together and just screwed the outer frame from the outside.

[@rk-36-b4x]

Those joist hangers can support over 1000lb of “uplift” per hanger. That face rim ain’t going anywhere!

[@lb7wade518]

Why not treated wood

[@DIYDeclassified]

I purchased the material during the height of COVID and couldnt get it. After speaking to contractors in my area, I was assured that by treating the lumber annually, I can get the same life out of the wood.

[@jeremyschneider8981]

Is this lumber treated?

[@DIYDeclassified]

It is not pressure treated. My area is so dry and hard to get pressure treated. Plus I built this during peak covid season when you couldnt get wood anywhere. Before I built the deck I layed out every board in my garage and put a sealer on them. Then every spring I go out and re-treat them.

[@curtisnorman3763]

@@DIYDeclassified Is pressure treated preferred?

[@rgagnon1008]

On your front header joist... Shouldn't you have installed the hanger brackets upside down? The Joists are the ones holding up that header, not the other way around.

[@DIYDeclassified]

I could have, but here was my logic. The joists were being supported by the beam. The 6 screws going into each joist that was going into the header was plenty of strength to hold the header. This header on the deck was only going to hold the fascia board. So with all the screws and back blocking from the railing posts, that header was going nowhere. Also, if I did flip them up, I would have to deal with the lip the brackets would then put on the top. My decking boards wouldnt sit flush, and it may have caushed my railing posts to lean in towards the deck.

[@mikejoyce7157]

@@DIYDeclassified 09:37 Joist hangers would not have been needed at that header. Just nail or screw from the header into the joist. As you mentioned, the header is not really supporting anything. Great video.

[@DIYDeclassified]

@@mikejoyce7157 thanks man. It's not perfect, but I sure did learn a ton fightingy way through it.