My experience with dvorak and colemak

DVORAK:
www.dvorak-keyboard.com/
www.typingclub.com/
COLEMAK:
colemak.com/
colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/
thetypingcat.com/
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[@cyberp0et]

Once you get used to type without looking at the keyboard using QWERTY it seems like returning to kindergarden to learn another layout.

[@cyberp0et]

@༄TΞCHNICAL SŴORD༄ If you never typed without looking at the keyboard using QWERTY, then ot should be easy doing it on Colemak, I presume

[@martinsmith2948]

it is, but I did it with dvorak and year later at 100wpm

[@cyberp0et]

@@martinsmith2948 If I struggle, I get to 90 WPM with QWERTY. (Provided I have a good keyboard and ergonomic position requirements met) I presume I could get to around 100 if I'd practice more. But even so, 100 is more than what I need.

[@amosnimos]

@༄TΞCHNICAL SŴORD༄ depend so you programme? Do you use shortcut?

[@ryanmcconkey5817]

I've been recently learning Dvorak since 2 months ago and I started at 9wpm figuring out all the keys , then now I've finally made it to 60wpm with around 90% accuracy. On keybr practicing my typing I managed to top out at 93wpm and it blew my mind lol. I mostly manage 60-65wpm not bad :) although everyone learns differntly. I never learned to type properly using qwerty , but my qwerty speed was 50wpm, so learning to touch type Dvorak has surpassed my qwerty speed significantly :p it's a very nice layout indeed

[@IrishluckLinux]

Keybr. Com isn't too bad. I think when I moved to Dvorak full time is when my speed grew.

[@ashrayhebbar5885]

I've started learning touch typing recently with dvorak layout... Hope I get upto speed soon

[@not_varij]

Ryan Mcconkey, how long did it take you to complete the keybr course (as in learn all the keys from the website)? I'm in the same boat as you except I'm only ~5 days in on learning Dvorak

[@camilotello3296]

If only Dvorak was available for Spanish...

[@neemarafi]

TypingClub has Colemak!

[@IrishluckLinux]

Really? I wonder if that is new then I looked when I started colemak. Thanks for the update.

[@Mboy556]

@@IrishluckLinux i'm switching to dvorak everytime I go typing and then back

[@wtftode]

I've been using Halmak full time. Huge fan, favorite layout I've ever used.

[@tuananhdo1870]

what is it compared to dvorak, colemak

[@Hector3112]

I switched to Dvorak 6 months ago. It was painful the first month, but it's worth it. I'm not a fast typist yet (40 wpm on Dvorak vs 30 wpm on Qwerty) but I feel increasingly comfortable which is more important, so speed will come with time. I use Spanish Dvorak, the difference with English Dvorak is minimal (h and r are swapped), and I have no problem with Vim; surprisingly h and l are next to each other in Spanish Dvorak, wich is super convenient for Vimmers or Emacs Evil-Mode users. I'm teaching my 6 year old son to type Dvorak because I see no valid technical reason to learn Qwerty first, yet I guess he may learn some Qwerty in the future. I've read about Colemak and have watched some videos like this, yet I don't understand much the value of its proposal when compared to Dvorak, I guess I'll need to do more research.

[@IrishluckLinux]

Great. I will teach my son Dvorak also. I suggest work on accuracy and.the speed will quickly increase. Good luck.

[@trignite]

Sorry but 40wpm is slow. The fact that you got to 40 on DVORAK after months of typing is probably just because you kept typing. Anything less than like 55wpm is quite slow. I'm at 75wpm and feel pretty average compared with any other IT guys at work.

[@Hector3112]

@@trignite I also kept typing for years on Qwerty and never passed 30 wpm. Today I'm doing 50 wpm on Dvorak, so I haven't stopped improving since that comment I posted months ago. At this pace I think I can do speeds that I thought were unreacheable for a slow typist like myself. So my personal experience with Dvorak has been definitely about becoming more comfortable and faster on the keyboard; based on my experience and the fact that the Dvorak layout was designed with Ergonomics in mind I would definitely recommend it.

[@poppetx]

colemak yeah that ones good

[@florentdraux9961]

Learning touch typing, switching layout and rethinking your movements across the keyboard are supposed to get rid of useless stretch, so there should be no problem with the location of your keys, v can be anywhere you want ;)

[@camilotello3296]

Currently I'm learning dvorak and trying to get 100% accuracy on 10ff. I passed from 15wpm to 24wpm in two days. I'll be back in several days/weeks/months so that we'll see how it went :) Edit 1: I reached 32wpm after 2 days

[@darkpower2021]

whats your speed now?

[@camilotello3296]

@@themanyfist4415 a maximum of around 55 wpm on Typeracer but quit and went on using qwerty ;-;

[@godnyx117]

Starting the video: Arch Linux wallpaper! Me: INSTANT LIKE!!!!!!

[@eritert]

Reading your comment: “This person likes arch...” Me: comment liked!

[@lilapela]

The issue with copying and pasting is not a problem at all for me! I think you can use a autohotkey script that converts ctrl+q (dvorak c) to ctrl+c. I use buttons on my mouse to copy paste

[@IrishluckLinux]

I have tried the autohotkey and didn't work well for me. I'm find with another way that I found.

[@ZacLangston]

For copy and paste i use a script that when i press ctrl or alt it switches to qwerty this makes it so i have nice shortcuts but still have dvorak

[@Samson373]

I touch type on Dvorak and only on Dvorak. I learned it because I never learned to type properly on Qwerty. I was a 35-year old professional pecking out 100 page documents with two fingers on Qwerty. It was ridiculous. So I invested the 10 hours it took me to learn to touch type on Dvorak using some typing tutor app (don't recall the name). If you don't already touch type on Qwerty, then learning a better layout (Dvorak or maybe Colemak) IS worth it. If you already touch type on Qwerty, then I can't say. Maybe not -- unless you suffer carpal tunnel because Dvorak at least minimizes finger movement a great deal relative to Qwerty.

[@MarkusBurrer]

I learn a layout called PuQ and I don't care about the position of c, x and v because I use the QMK firmware and I use the Cut, Copy, Paste and Undo functions on a separate layer. Most people don't know the power of layers

[@want-diversecontent3887]

What 's puq

[@MarkusBurrer]

@@want-diversecontent3887 look at this page adnw.de/index.php?n=Main.OptimierungF%c3%bcrDieGeradeTastaturMitDaumen-Shift It's a layout for matrix keyboards with a thumb key for shift

[@popenieafantome9527]

Been messing around with autohotkey lately (a sort of macro program) so i think i’ll mess around with a different layout. I can probably find a way to have a modifid Ctrl layer to keep shortcuts in same place to qwerty.

[@IrishluckLinux]

Yes there is something like that for windows

[@dasgregor]

I'm not sure I could ever get used to anything other than QWERTY. Of course as a one handed typist, I don't think changing the layout would ever work for me. It's fun to learn new things, though.

[@IrishluckLinux]

In Dvorak they have right and left handed variations.

[@echidnaralsei1473]

okay but what about two thumb typing and/or one thumb typing? like how you do when on a smart device does the rolling typing and alternating typing help device ease of use?

[@thetallestpaul]

Great discussion. I will say, the Vim thing is not an issue as anyone who uses Vim regularly ought to know how to remap their key bindings.

[@crowder360]

Thats a Great Explanation Bro

[@IrishluckLinux]

Thanks.

[@1monki]

I've used DV for a couple of decades now. I started using neovim a couple of years ago. I've never bothered to remap command keys in anything. I just forced myself to learn where things are in the DV layout. I just know where the vim keys are from repetition. I don't think about it at this point Thanks for the video. It was a good overview of the difference between the layouts. I don't think I'd gain anything from switching to Colemak at this point

[@LaserGryph]

Dvorak didn't help me type faster, but it DID help me type more effortlessly. And you can learn to swap back and forth between Dvorak and QWERTY like I did. It just takes your brain a couple of days to differentiate the two layouts.

[@francescovolpini]

so, colemak or dvorak? as far as shortcuts go, i can rebind them. i'm learning dvorak, almost a week on mobile and 3rd day on laptop. learning dvorak on a laptop keyboard seems so hard if compared to mobile, that's my only concern, thanks

[@InThisStyleGMinor]

exactly, are we typing on a hermes 3000 wtf is with these people' brains, just rebind keys

[@antonvernigor9882]

The thing I don’t get about the DH mod is what do they mean you have to stretch your finger to reach E? It’s right under the finger :-|

[@nicefighter]

[dvorak user] i've dealt with the shortcuts switcheroo on dvorak by using right ctrl for undo, copy & paste (and save sometimes), pressing right ctrl with my left thumb if my right hand is on the mouse. however this isn't necessary for cut since x is still on the left half of the keyboard

[@tsukiortu]

For Dvorak copy pasting since most environments are windows in work it's relatively easy at least for me to press windows + space to change back to qwerty for copy pasting then back for typing. It's one extra step but it's not too bad if you don't wanna use something like autohotkey to fix it.

[@artaway6647]

Nice video, thanks

[@IrishluckLinux]

You're welcome.

[@johnfoster6412]

I've used Dvorak for about 15 years, changing over due to nerve damage issues. The issues about cut and paste are irrelevant in my experience, as you can hit all the ctrl key sequences one-handed with practice. I don't use vi, but I don't have an issue with dvorak in emacs.

[@johnfoster6412]

@mindsync Bad MRSA infection following shoulder reconstruction that did a number on my right brachial plexus.

[@TrueMathSquare]

What about workman? That's the keyboard layout I use.

[@IrishluckLinux]

Never tried it. I should though.

[@TrueMathSquare]

@@IrishluckLinux It's great other than you usually type words with one hand than the other next instead of using each hand at once. But yeah, it's great.

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

Do you find Colemak to be easy to use on Arch and when typing in other languages? I'm thinking of switching to Colemak (or the DH mod), but I type in English and French on Arch and Windows (for work), and I'm unsure if it's worthwhile.

[@IrishluckLinux]

I find it a bit awkward. I have been used to Dvorak for so long but it is a personal preference so you may find it better than me.

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

@@IrishluckLinux I see, I've only used QWERTY and AZERTY.

[@eleanessa_]

Hey. Did you switch? What are you thoughts about it? I have to type in english and french too but i can't decide between Colemak or Dvorak or if their any good if I'm writing in french...

[@MaximilianBerkmann]

@@eleanessa_ Not yet but I've set up a Colemak UK layout on both laptops (and they both work). I ordered an ErgoDox EZ which I'll remap to use Colemak with a layer for French characters (which should make it easier to type as my current keyboards are awkward to use). In the meantime, I'm trying to get more used to the backspace/capslock swap and using at least 8-9 fingers to type. In ~11 days, I'll properly make the switch and see how it goes.

[@eleanessa_]

@@MaximilianBerkmann Alright thank you ^^ I'm struggling to make a choice for a new layout, i don't want to learn 3,4 layouts before finding the ones that for me... I might take colemak and then do some changes to have my personnal layout... idk.. Thanks again for you answer :)

[@JoeEnderman]

2 days of Colemak so far, I like it, but I am still having issues remembing where simple stuff like e and r are.

[@SimGunther]

QGMLWY: The official keyboard layout for typing cyborgs like me :)

[@katiemuinay7329]

SimGunther thanks for sharing! I looked it up and it’s really peaks my interest.

[@advikdeshmukh805]

Ik this video getting old and ur probably faster but, if ur typing 60 wpm or even 80 on QWERTY, it shouldn’t be tiring at hat speed, it usually starts around 130+ over a long period of time

[@007Knightjp]

Colemak does look better on paper and by the numbers. However such things don't tell you the whole story. I was on Colemak for a couple of years and to be honest, I found it hard to get used to. Dvorak is far more better and more comfortable for me. I guess it is the hand alternating. On Colemak. I never had an issue with where the "H" key was. It is the same as it is on QWERTY. So I don't know. To be honest, with all the knocking against it, it seems that if we were to try to improve on the standard layout, we are bound to fall into some issue or the other. I am on a mac and they have the best layout for Dvorak users (Dvorak - QWERTY Cmd). It means that once you press the command key, the keyboard reverts to QWERTY so you can use the standard shortcut keys for copy paste, etc. I thought that it is famously known that Matt Mullenweg loves Dvorak - not Colemak.

[@IrishluckLinux]

I saw the Matt mullenweg from another video so you may be right

[@thecat436]

well, my qwerty wpm at first is 40 wpm but i can't type longer than dvorak. Now i learn colemak and my dvorak speed is around 60 wpm

[@olafschermann1592]

You english speaking people have it more easy to choose. In the german layout community you have to choose between dvorak-german mod, neo, bone, mine, koy, vou. That also means that the community for each layout is much smaller and no builtin OS support - always need to install drivers.

[@IrishluckLinux]

have you tried Dvorak international? it's supposed to be good for the German language

[@-ci-uwu640]

Nice video

[@tomb6865]

ooh thanks, I'd played around with Dvorak briefly but as a programmer it was horrible, the letters might be better but all the braces and punctuation marks we use regularly are horribly placed: By design, Dvorak puts these out of the way because it doesn't expect you need them. Good for writing a letter, bad for writing code.

[@Exiide89]

You can try colemak club

[@yggdrasil9039]

Great video and agreed with a lot of your sentiments. 10:00 Yep, Colemak is easy to transition to from Qwerty, much much easier than Dvorak. I wouldn't even bother with Tarmac. Just go cold turkey and you will attain Qwerty speeds within a month or so. I easily topped within 2 months, and within 3 months I was up to my Dvorak speed of 75wpm, which had taken me 9 months of assiduous practice to attain before I dumped Dvorak owing to the ludicrous position of the F key (J key in Colemak and Y in Qwerty) The reaching for the H key is a total non-issue for me and I see no point in the DH mod. The only minor minor miniscule quibble I have with Colemak is why P and G are not swapped. G next to F would have kept the configuration of Qwerty just moved it up a row, and G is slightly more common than P (GHT, ING etc) so requires slightly less amount of reaching for the G, especially given the commonality of the ING trigraph. But these are very minor complaints. Colemak is awesome. It's ridiculous that English speakers are still being given Qwerty as a default typing layout.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I did an F H swap modification to Colemak and really like it. The only problem is not having a portable layout.

[@yggdrasil9039]

Oh, ok, that means S is below H. Isn't that awkward for SH digraphs?

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

ygg drasil not for me it hasn’t been, but that said the DH mod looks smarter

[@giabao-9]

What are you downloading on your PC?

[@IrishluckLinux]

what do you mean? Dvorak is part of most OS.

[@giabao-9]

@@IrishluckLinux i don't know he's downloading but he's don't like windows 10 but What did he download?

[@sergiovenegas197]

I want to become a professional writer! and write a tons of several books and I need a serious advice!

[@IrishluckLinux]

On what ?

[@jacobtb1]

nice

[@EasonTek]

Switched to Colemak 3 months ago and i'm getting 100wpm frequently...

[@IrishluckLinux]

Awesome!

[@cherryy3236]

I am trying to learn Dvorak and is hard af

[@IrishluckLinux]

Keep at it. It gets easier

[@nochromo6572]

I'm just now switching to Dvorak, it's like trying to type while drunk

[@IrishluckLinux]

It is but your tolerance will get higher the more you do it. ;)

[@pavendax]

im using dvorak for 3 months and now im at 90wpm

[@IrishluckLinux]

Awesome. Great progress!

[@markosatartis6544]

You can use 'portable keyboard layout' instead. You don't need administrative rights and all you have to do is run an application file which is easier.

[@IrishluckLinux]

You could, but some business can actually lock down the usb ports for security so that may not help.

[@yggdrasil9039]

12:00 Colemak being not on Windows frustrates me no end and makes me want to give all my computer purchasing money to Apple who adopted it almost immediately.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

There are a couple of custom layout creators for Windows so it is possible to load Colemak. It is a pain though.

[@WolfgangsChannel]

It's actually pretty easy to load it using AutoHotkey. There are AHK scripts online already compiled into .exe, so even if you're on a machine where you can't change Windows keyboard settings, you can just pop in a flash drive and double click the exe to get Colemak layout.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@WolfgangsChannel Cool.

[@pierreperegrindemaricourt8379]

But.... LinuX... From freedom came elegance and all that stuff...

[@jlaustill]

I've been 100% colemak for over a decade. I type over 100 wpm. I tried Dvorak first but just couldn't learn it. Colemak was a much easier switch from qwerty and only took a few weeks. Rsi hasn't bothered me since switching and I type for a living. I can only finger Peck on qwerty these days it has been so long lol

[@IrishluckLinux]

Do you do vanilla or one of the varieties

[@jlaustill]

@@IrishluckLinux just vanilla, it works fantastic for español, every special character is mapped to right alt

[@IrishluckLinux]

@@jlaustill well I'm going to give vanilla a try for a month.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I love Colemak. I've been using it for 5 years and forgot Qwerty almost immediately.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

Colemak is impossible to learn when previously using qwerty

[@SaturneKx]

You mean dvorak? Colemak is easy to learn because it only has several placements different ones.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

@@SaturneKx no dvorak were easy for me, its colemak because its similar but its not

[@soleq6700]

Yah WPM goals are really weird. I have gotten 143 WPM on dvorak so far but it only happened since if you master touch typing and try to go faster even if you have mistakes in your words.

[@thamerrro4234]

I'm learning Dvorak. still a bit too slow at like 20 wpm but It's day 2!

[@Max-xp3tf]

did u give up ? lol

[@thamerrro4234]

@@Max-xp3tf no at 60 wpm now

[@Max-xp3tf]

@@thamerrro4234 nice dude !

[@thamerrro4234]

@Abhishek Almeida I'm really good with AutoHotKey and I can easily add exceptions for modifier keys or certain programs. I use qwerty shortcuts 99% of the time

[@kqvanity]

it all seems good and whatnot , the only problem is with those who already using vim .

[@IrishluckLinux]

Vim is fine on both.

[@kqvanity]

i mean vim designed its movement keys to be layed out according to qwerty, and so the new placement of keys would make this initial layout meaningless

[@ivanderlich3776]

Video starts at 3:50

[@gmartineza8775]

I see Linux, I hit like

[@a-b-c]

Seriously, you are switching for that silly reason of copy and paste shortcuts. If you are a programmer, I think you should know how to remap copy and paste shortcuts to other keys that are handy..

[@gyattrizzV]

this video is propaganda

[@UNHAPPYMEXICANS]

Dont learn either. Learn something more optimal like Graphite.