My First AMD GPU In Forever - Asus TUF RX 7900 XTX Review

[@PrimeSonic]

So if you don't buy into the ray tracing gimmick, the RX7900 series is looking great.

[@LilPistacho]

yup pretty much, i mean RT isn't bad but if you just go with normal performance the 7900xt is good. That is also nice since not all games have RT or optimized for it. 4090=best performance come with a big $$ though ill say you'll end up spending around 2.5k-3.5k depending on what you will need to get for it to run ex: case, psu, cables, cpu. 7900xtx is good value card since you get a good performance increase but just not as much as to say destroys the 4080/close to 4090. but i mean you are getting it around $200-500 less depending on models.

[@1K1NDR3D]

Exactly, just turn RT off and game on

[@oftheabyss3219]

If the driver support was better I tried the hellhoud 7900xtx it was a nightmare

[@Reaper_ZL1]

@@oftheabyss3219that’s actually the worst version of the XTX. Even worse than the reference, it’s much better buy one with triple 8-Pins connectors. I have the TUF one featured in the video and it’s on the top 5 list of largest air breathing cards ever released. It makes my brothers Founders 4090 look tiny. It runs really cool and I have no issues with it

[@Kringey1]

@@oftheabyss3219my nitro+ xtx has only had one driver problem in a year and it is with Helldivers i guess i just got super lucky and my friend too but he has the xfx xt

[@kenlectron]

As a 15 years old Nvidia user I can say I've got my very first AMD video card and I'm impressed. It was a really tough decision, considering that the prices are already insane. Besides the RT that I have to turn it off in many titles anyway to achieve 120FPS @1440p (I prefer high refresh rate over "ultra" settings), I don't see the benefit of spending $250 more for a 4080 when at rasterization 7900XTX wins in most titles.

[@Salfordshire]

Here she is. Thanks for the video. All the hard work is appreciated. ❤

[@jalliboy]

yet there are WAY better " review " videoes of this card than what this girl give !

[@swizzler8053]

Really like the tuf version of these cards. Simple design, minimal rgb and the cooling is always top notch.

[@cv507]

they sure made up gööd since the özzy bä$.h0vv?? vv? büt evga is 1 slöttermajöhr quieterr v$mv

[@laszlodajka5946]

Yes i just grabbed one. Doesnt go above 67 degrees

[@swizzler8053]

​@@laszlodajka5946also got it with a waterblock on it.

[@tyler6971]

​@@laszlodajka5946Make sure you're checking memory and hotspot Temps for your true temperature!

[@michaelthompson9798]

As a mainly AMD cpu and some Intel cpu user and mainly Nvidia GPU user: 1) All GPUs have game/driver issues upon launch 2) I feel the 7900XTX should be ~$849-899 price point 3) Nvidia can and will, I feel, drop the RTX4080 pricing ….. which may force AMD to drop its pricing in point 2 here. 4) AMD has made vg improvements to its FSR 2.1-2.2 performance and image quality as well as its Ray Tracing from last generation which is great to see. 5) I hope that the Rx7000 series shown here is only just driver issues and optimisations and not an Intel Arc hardware issue. 6) we’ve seen AMDs “fine wine” approach throughout its GPU history and give it a few months and we’ll see good driver optimisations etc.

[@fishcatcherfleas]

dont have months to wait for them to sort it out,,, by the time they do,, THE rtx 4080ti will be out,,

[@clawwill34]

@@fishcatcherfleas Then AMD releases the 7950xt. What's your point? Why the elitism in the PC market now days? The majority of PC gamers are in the budget of Intel's ARC. I think the most widely used GPU across steam network is a 1660ti. I know many people still using a 1080 or 980. Nvidia has had just as many issues and their price points are WAY off. The Nvidia fanboys never seem to debate the fact that the majority of the gamer market doesn't care about Raytracing either. Competition is good.

[@fishcatcherfleas]

@@clawwill34 Nvidia just work ,,,, id love to move to Amd for a gpu ,,, but just not prepared to put up with issues with drivers ,, Intel may see an opening here ,, but for now ill stick have to stick with nvidia ,,,

[@xXDESTINYMBXx]

@@fishcatcherfleas if you buy a rdna 2 6xxx gpu today, you will have as few issues as with a nvidia gpu.

[@fishcatcherfleas]

@@xXDESTINYMBXx no u dont

[@grahamb7947]

Ordered one of these now, and this video is perfect at explaining why it was a no brainer over an nvidia card: price to performance. Nvidia cards may be more powerful slightly in most titles, but they are still much too highly priced for the higher end variants considering the closeness. To have a card costing hundreds less slapping nvidia around on price to performance is just shameful. If Nvidia stopped ripping consumers off, then it'd easily flip the other way.

[@versaleyang]

Definitely play around with the overclocking on the AIB 7900XTX cards with 3x 8 pin power sockets as they have insane overclocking potential, reports of up to 3.7 GHz but mostly around 3.2 GHz stable. I would steer clear from the reference models and AIB models that got only 2x 8 pin for this reason.

[@TheLateral18]

I want to see this ! Also what the power draw will be and performance improvement

[@vitaeve]

@@TheLateral18 The TechPowerUp reviewer got a 9.9% gain with this exact card, but they don't show the OC power consumption.

[@marcuslee6720]

Uhm may I ask what clock speeds are you referring to when you say above 3 GHz? The specs on most websites don't really come close to that and 3rd party reviewers don't say the clocks are that high either

[@slavefeet57]

@OldSkool It really is a shame EVGA dropped out. I was praying the rumors were true they went team red oh well...

[@mcmurder8835]

I think you've nailed the conclusion there better than most content creators have - there are no good options in next-gen... yet. Next year should be interesting as Nvidia, AMD and even Intel scramble to reposition themselves in very different market conditions.

[@ren7a8ero]

I always like when these new products are put in perspective. Anyway, since I simply can't condone with the prices of the flagship cards, all I want is that AMD improve (and isn't uncommon that these review results become obsolete while the card goes through the usual "AMD FineWine" process), and they release a 7800, so I can buy a 6800-ish card for a better price.

[@Gorlami90]

Wait a few months and pick up at 6950xt. I found one for $749

[@robert3892]

The problem is inflation which has driven up the cost of chip wafers at TSMC. Labour and transportation costs are up as well. These are reasons among many that caused GPU pricing to increase dramatically.

[@santiagoferrari1973]

buy a used card. Cheap af this days.

[@Trooper_Ish]

What a balanced review! looks like a really compelling card though; If I didn't pay thru the nose for a 6900, this is the card I would have gone for. Dangit, I wish I could have predicted how things went. this looks great!

[@Luredreier]

Hum, balanced... While not unfair in the sense that she's consistent in using the highest possible setting in games you can definitely tell that she has had more experience with Nvidia titles lately then AMD in that she prefers testing with ray tracing on as it's a tech that's heavily favoring Nvidia simply because AMD and their customers don't consider RT, or especially heavy RT implementations as important. AMD is on board with RT growing in importance though. AMD gives you more bang for your bucks but you may need to play with settings at times, something AMD fans are used to, i part because of all the times Nvidia has tried to sabotage AMD with game dev tools that intentionally harms gaming performance for gamers of both brands, but hurts AMD more then Nvidia without improving performance, like the extreme tesselation a few generations ago. Ray tracing *does* have visible effects so it's not outright sabotage this time around. Nvidia has a valid advantage there and it *does* make games look better. But you can get a perfectly good experience with some RT enhancement without pushing RT to the limit. And for people using "high" instead of "ultra" with some RT instead of the highest possible RT that's where you'll get AMDs strength. And yes, that means that when these cards start to get old you'll probably want to turn off RT altogether. But these cards will still end up lasting us longer in the long run before they're unable to give us a good experience in games. While Nvidia gives us better settings here and now you'll get less memory and less rasterstion performance and your gaming experience in the long run will suffer as a result. Still, I appreciate her doing these maxed out tests, they give us another data point that you rarely see. And that's useful in itself, even if it's not all that realistic in day to day use.

[@slavefeet57]

@@Luredreier I was happy to see the 4k settings, Like you said though it was pretty obvious with testing only in Ultra RT on. I'd love to see the titles run again without RT on in 4k Ultra settings. Because that's likely how I would run it when my build is finished. I'm debating on getting the 2k 200hz Oled, or the 4k 144hz Mini LED both from LG. I really think the 7900XTX will be able to pump out the frames to max either one. Obviously I feel like it should be able to Max out the Frame rate at 2k, I'm not sure how close it would be on 4k 144hz. Who knows I may just buy both monitors and see how I feel about them lol

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

WHAT?!?

[@Vr6Zecke]

Especially Cyberpunk u should run with FSR active , also check that SAM/ or resizable bar is activated in your Bios and in the AMD drivers , in some games u will get suprising results ! Also FSR 3.0 next year will push the GPU a little further , not to a 4090 but closer!

[@d3monofchaos]

Almost every tech channel is reviewing the reference design, so it would be interesting to see the overclocking performance of the non reference TUF version. There are some articles saying the non reference cards were able to draw around 400W (overclocked) because of the extra power connected, but also go up to 3.7GHz (3.2GHz stable).

[@intothebeyond8763]

@AmpEdition it's not being pushed hard at all . AMD put in the software to lower the clocks cuz they couldn't get the drivers ready before launch . So now only the AIB models will be able to over clock stably after the new drivers come out.

[@d3monofchaos]

This is why I want to see some one try and overclock them to see if its worth it even. In the same time I wounder if its worth it to buy 7900 XTX IAB cards. So far I have seen one card at my local stores and its at similar price as RTX 4080 ...

[@choatus]

@@d3monofchaos just grab the 4080 you wont regret it.

[@stephen1r2]

The reference doesn't have the improved power delivery that this TUF version does so power is really only around 355 or so and not much higher that I've seen (2x8-pin only on that) judicious undervolting and OC will help the TUF more than you could with the original

[@YerFarQ2]

i just bought the 7900xtx and coming from an gtx 1080 playing on a 1440p monitor since 2017 i cant wait to get the card i can see the differences for 7900xtx and 4080 as seen in the video but im not complaining coming from a gtx 1080 i just cant wait to enjoy high fps gaming again :)

[@Luredreier]

Sounds amazing. :-) Just remember to lower the RT settings. You don't need the max setting to get some enhancement from RT after all. :-)

[@georgeindestructible]

I have recently seen this card from different angles and realized how they made space for the fin stacks by extending the shroud and cutting it leaving a lot of air for the card to bring, i don't know if this is the best 7900 XTX but it certainly looks promising in that regard.

[@Gobi-Wan]

I want to thank you most of all for the slide showing gains and losses across both cards. Data is data and people present it often terribly, this summary slide you provided is awesome and you’ve earned a sub from me. Thank you

[@Stalast.]

Awesome review. Would love to see some sort of followup video that talks about your experience with AMD Radeon drivers/software after about a month using the card.

[@choatus]

I bet its not so rosey lol, these cards have loads of different problems right now, nobody should be recommending them...

[@Luredreier]

@@choatus Really, such as?

[@garytrawinski1843]

I just picked up a Powercolor Hellbound 7900XTX. I am waiting for it to be delivered. Although the card is underwelming compared to AMD's presentation, it does seem to be a better value compared to the 4080. I will be upgrading two of my grandsons rigs early next year. So, this is a test card.

[@xyr3s]

Lucky grandsons if you're buying them 1 thousand dollar cards each lol.

[@griffin3568]

How is the temperature could you tell me

[@ReadySalted80Number1ForSoaps]

I'm waiting patiently for this to re stock :( great video.

[@JeradBenge]

Just seeing the CoD:MW2 results lets me know that it's going to be another "fine wine" generation. The dual media engine, and it's software is fire right now though, and that bodes well for AMD's purchase of Xilinx making the FPGA side of things much better. Example: I was just transcoding 8 inputs simultaneously, and that's something that I couldn't do before. It's good to have competition, and great to have options. Now I hope to see pricing shifts to benefit the rest of the community. This generation is going to get very interesting by the time we see the low end.

[@hangemhi001]

IM HEARING THIS CARD KIKS ASS IN MW

[@TechTalkTobi]

the connector mess on nvidia side is also frustrating ... tbh. I will stay a long long time with my 3080 Ti. Thanks for your video and tests !

[@deepergodeeper7618]

me to i will still with my 3080 till its on its last legs the are robbing us blind with the prices on gpu's soo i will not support them anymore f nvidia

[@TechTalkTobi]

@@deepergodeeper7618 yeah, my plan is to stay as long as i can und check than the market to get a card with more power in 3440x1440 from AMD or Intel. Only the price will tell xD ... more midrange in future if the prices stays the same i will leave the PCMR Hype-Train.

[@rvs55]

You do realize that once ATX 3.0 PSUs are out in Q1 2023, all of that will be a thing of the past as you will only need a single 12+4 direct cable which is neater than 2 or 3 sets of 8-pin PCIe cables.

[@deepergodeeper7618]

@@TechTalkTobi yea 100% i am all so a 1440p gamer and 4000s is really not worth it imo with the price to performance hopy Nvidia get a wake up call i am doing the same thing to i am not team green or red i just whaat the best card for my money hoping amd don't trip up with their new cards but time will tell

[@TechTalkTobi]

@@rvs55 they starting already to build cards with 2 of those fire hazard connectors. Nope, i am out. Bought a new PSU for my card already. Will stay a minimum of 5y of warranty. Hopefully they have fixed it until than.

[@solomonshv]

2:55 a quick note about the DiaplayPort 1.4 on nvidia vs 2.1 on amd; nvidia "gsync premium" displays (like the $1300 alienware AW3423DW) do not allow any speeds faster than vanilla DP1.4 will allow because they do not support Display Stream Compression (DSC). and that causes a lot of limitations. for example, you can't run 3440x1440 monitor at 10 bit color sRGB at over 150Hz. to go faster you either have to drop down to 8bit color or YCbCr422 color format to go faster than that. if nvidia put DP 2.1 ports on their new $1200+ GPUs, it would put them into a situation where their customers would be mad at them because their new $1000+ nvidia branded monitors don't work with said GPUs. it was an intentional sabotage to avoid bad PR if you must buy nvidia, the solution is simple: make sure you get a monitor that IS NOT g-sync premium compatible. make sure that whatever monitor you get has zero nvidia hardware in it that way you can use DSC. in that case the version of the DP won't matter anyway. DP 1.4 with DSC can do 3440x1440 10bit @ 200Hz, 4k 10 bit @120hz, or 4k 8bit @160Hz.

[@wilgarcia1]

Ya know. with all the advancement and HUGE numbers on CPU and GPU performance these days. can I just mention I'm still quite happy with the GTX 980 Strix I put in my gaming rig all those years ago. No issues what so ever. Asus makes a great card =)

[@BennyTygohome]

I'm still using the 980 too. Very happy. I'll upgrade maybe in a another year, but that's what I've said last year.

[@Luredreier]

I'm still on my old RX 480 (8 GB).

[@nephilimslayer]

980? are u high bro? go and buy the 6700xt for 380 euros...that card can smoke ur 980

[@SlyStarling]

Its not about whether it will "smoke" the card, what hes saying is that its a very reliable GPU, I doubt my 3090 FE will last as long the older cards, especially when my Vram hits 110 degrees Celsius. @@nephilimslayer

[@____________________________.x]

2:01 personally what I’m looking forward to most with this new generation of cards, is hearing you pronounce “chunky” in every video 🥰

[@Gruestep]

Thankful for this video and the comparisons to the 3080! I feel like this would still be a good upgrade for me looking at those numbers even if the 4080 is better in most cases. If the price is right when these drop in the UK I'm still tempted

[@holland1]

I would def wait for the 50 series release than hopefully they drop there 40 series

[@MistyKathrine]

The ASUS' Nvidia 4000 series cards have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports which makes them more attractive for those of us who are using OLED TVs for monitors since DP isn't compatible with the display. A good chunk of people who would be interested in buying this class of card are probably using similar displays, making HDMI the preferred option. So kind of disappointed to only see 1 HDMI on the AMD card.

[@egonieser]

Like, yeah when you use Every Nvidia sponsored title as a benchmark obviously you'll see nvidia being ahead. Try and diversify and use games that are known to work well on both platforms not ones that are known to favour one over the other. I sense some bias here.

[@nigelnathan]

driver updates may improve scores?

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Welcome back! It's been quite a while!

[@Tanktaco]

Been chewing through a bunch of these reviews lately, this is the first one with fabulous nails. Still a bummer that in order for these cards to make more sense I gotta wait even more for a price drops, and I was really hoping to have a new PC by the end of the year :/

[@cv507]

cälm dövvn itz still sinüssäß v v

[@adeelio]

IMO It's clear that even the 4080 is a better value when taking aftermarket into consideration. Some might argue it's better stock vs stock due to RT, Work Use, DLSS...etc.

[@veritanuda]

Woo Hoo.. I so glad you are trying team Red and putting it through your usual thorough tests so I can trust the results. Thanks for doing this L. Much appreciated.

[@limi3571]

Hi Lauren, if you read the comments, you'll remember i was rather critical of your "I broke a viewers PC" video...well today i'd like to say "Thank You". Brilliant video, back to what you do best. Beautiful shots, incredible lighting, and great narration ! Love it. As for the card, well, judgements out on that till we get firm prices and a few more reviews. Good to see you (hear you) back on form. Merry Christmas. J

[@cppctek]

I had the same findings with my 7900xtx yesterday. I did see the reference design with higher thermals. The total system power draw with a 12900k hit 550-600 peak for me on certain titles. Modern warfare I was able to get better latency and response times than nvidia can. Ray tracing is definitely a little odd with the 7900xtx I noticed too. I really hope I can find an asus tuff model soon or something with a 3pin so I can oc this things to the moon. The reference seems to be power limited I’m starting to think. Oh also thanks for tossing in the modern warfare 2 numbers. You are amazing! I love your video aesthetics and vibe. It’s so chill and relaxing and informative. ❤

[@Luredreier]

Yeah, I enjoy how relaxing they are. :-)

[@zackw4941]

Thanks for trying Cyberpunk without RT. Yours is the first review I've seen do this.

[@SonicDestiny]

What is hilarious that even by watching this video, 7900XTX would waste above 3 times more power than 4090

[@OTBASH]

Goddamn your voice is so soothing. I'm totally gonna use this video to help me fall asleep tonight.

[@KatsuKingTV]

Use her voice for sleeping? Sure you are. 😏

[@OTBASH]

@@KatsuKingTV Shhhhh. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

[@OPTERON_PRIME]

Thank you for your hard work!

[@laszlodajka5946]

Cyberpunk 1440p ultra rt ultra fsr2 quality brought me 59-70 fps in the most demanding part of the game

[@Darkswordz]

Enjoy the production quality, as always.

[@leebenson4874]

Nicely done, thank you so much for all you do for us!!!

[@elysian3623]

Most likely a day one driver issue, 7900xtx is performing like a 6950xt in fh5 please do a retest in a couple of months as a perspective video, obviously if nothing changes then people know what they are really getting

[@iancarrgeordiegamer]

Good to see more content, Spot on as always

[@Eshcole]

This is why I thought AMD pushing 8K gaming as part of their presentation was a misstep. Yes, the cards are great at 1440p even with RT but when it comes to 4K, it's a whole different story.

[@akosv96]

I'm 100% there is still big performance left on the table. An overclocker reported 3.7GHz frontend and 3.5GHz shader(?) clocks but the bios/drivers couldn't handle the instructions parallel, which it should and there really wasn't a lot of increase. It gives me a lot of hope. I will definitely buy a board partner 7900xtx. I've already decided before 4090 reveal. I had no choice since I am using linux mainly. I hope AMD ages like fine wine🤞

[@Lennox032]

most reviewers are testing this without using a AMD cpu and not taking advantage of smart access memory, there leaving 10-15% performance on the table.

[@akosv96]

@@Lennox032 that's true also. I have AMD cpu so I bet it will be nice. Some say otherwise though that it is conpatible with intel resizable bar but I don't know what to make of it. Even if that's true amd should be more compatible with it's own hardware.

[@dennismmm]

I think people are more interested in the 7900xtx oc vs stock fps vs 4080 and 4090 tbh.

[@traversharty]

Turning Ray tracing on with either card leads to a massive performance hit. If you like using it though go with NVIDIA, they still offer better performance over AMD on titles that support it. Although the new cards do offer much improved performence here than the last generation so it's good to see them at least on par with last gen NVIDIA. In pure rasterization though, the XTX will beat the 4080 almost all the time and by a good margin in some instances. Personally I don't turn RT on ever. The visual improvement is still not worth the performance hit on anything less than the absurdly priced 4090.

[@TastyPC]

I've been gaming with RT on since the 20 series and don't plan on stopping now 2 generations later, but I understand that I'm in the minority.

[@traversharty]

@@TastyPC It's personal preference but it's becoming more important as more titles are now supporting it. In the past it was very few so I'm guessing low on AMD's list of proirities. Personally, I can't live with the performance hit so I seldom turn it on as the visual improvement over the performance hit makes little sense to me but I will end up being in the minority there eventually in all probability. 😅

[@starjones101]

i have to say i've watched many XTX reviews but your b-roll comes out on top, really showed off the looks of this card better than everyone else, keep it up!

[@robert3892]

Using rasterization the RX 7900 XTX can match or outperform the RTX 4800. However, once Raytracing is enabled the RX 7900 XTX falls behind. AMD needs to concentrate their GPU efforts in this direction for the future. Still, at the price point set by AMD it is a great gaming card, especially when you compare it to the last gen AMD GPU flagship. The TastyPC review is right on the money.

[@PatrickFisker]

How did it go with this card? How do you like the software compared to Nvidia?

[@ExPsy]

Glad to see you still around. Radeon cards are quite the bang for buck. Well, not in this particular case, but they are usually priced quite nicely.

[@traversharty]

It's the RT perfrormance that lets it down in this review. That's the same for all AMD cards if you compare titles that support RT. In pure rasterisation the XTX is a faster card than the 4080 on average.

[@traversharty]

@deedeeranged6367 same boat mate, I have a 3080 and a 6800, I don't turn RT on on either machine. The performance hit is too big and the visual fidelity it adds is not that great for me personally.

[@veritanuda]

@DeeDee Ranged FWIW RT sells to me like 3D does.. "Oooo Shiny puddles! Looks cool" for about 10 mins then it is like "Meh what's the point?"

[@ryanzdawson]

I realized today that I've been subscribed to this channel for years despite, even now, having no idea what any of this means.

[@denvera1g1]

0:04 Because of that foam on the right side of the table i thought you had 3 arms there for a moment.

[@7828191]

Bad drivers are holding it back, but with that performance it should either be named the 7800XTX or the 7900XT. The 7900XTX would need to be equal or beat the 4090 in some games in my opinion. Hopefully driver updates will make it perform a lot better.

[@docfornix]

Price and local availability are of prime interest here if you ask me. Yes, in particular in RayTracing titles the 4080 has the upper hand, but it comes at a cost. The current cheapest 4080 available in my country comes at roughly 200 Eur more than what AMD sells the 7900 XTX for. With that said, the 7900 XTX falls more in line with a few remaining 3080 Ti's and several of the more highly priced 3080's, even some 3070 Ti's are offered in this price range. And when compared to those, the 7900 XTX certainly offers more bang for buck. So the question is really, just how much is one willing to spend on a single piece of hardware. If the sky's the limit, neither the 7900 XTX nor RTX 4080 are of any interest. Just go for the RTX 4090, it's a clear winner. If there are certain budget constrains, or it's just more of a mindset thing not willing to pay too much on a GPU, albeit subjectively of course, a 7900 XTX may be a better pick than an RTX 4080. Lastly, but most certainly worth mentioning. In terms of a wider range of benchmarks with this card, your selection of games is a bit sided in Nvidia's favor due to the high emphasis on Raytracing and it's usage. If you look at the performance results with Raytracing off, the 7900 XTX much more often prevails as winner. And here it of course becomes a bit of a personal choice, what do you want out of a card? Most optimum graphical results? Then yes, Raytracing is interesting. If on the other hand, you simply want the best performance, highest raw FPS rates, then the 7900 XTX may at a greater number of occasions be the number one pick when comparing the 7900 XTX versus RTX 4080. In other words, if instead of best graphics you want best performance next to the RTX 4090 prices, the 7900 XTX appears to be the way to go. As interesting as all this is though, what I personally find much more interesting to see is the generational leap AMD keeps making. The 5700 XT being somewhere on line with the 2060/2060S, the 6900 XT somewhere in between the 3070 Ti and 3080 and now the 7900 XTX being along the lines of the 4080, in particular in terms of rasterization performance. It obviously comes to question if/when we'll see a 7950 or other higher-end AMD card still. But with the current leaps of improvement AMD is making the next generation will possibly become a head-on competition between AMD and Nvidia for the number 1 spot, if Nvidia doesn't up its game.

[@choatus]

and way worse drivers sadly....

[@sunwalker4017]

great video and great thoughts on the actual GPU situation

[@alyx4436]

great vid Lauren. Apparently there have been leaks that confirm AMD couldn't get drivers sorted in time for launch, and explains why testers are getting irratic results. It also explains the disparity between specs and performance becasue these cards should be performing better. A few driver updates should see these cards come into their own.

[@stevewatson6839]

We hope. Apparently they were surprised themselves that things went this pear-shaped. There are a gazzillion system configs out there. Given that, I'm impressed with the product tbh. I think peeps hyped themselves on this one; we knew straight up these cards would have the "handicaps" they have six or more months a go. I could care less my puddles are lit as they should be - except if the pretty puddle distracts my oppo so I can slot them first!

[@alyx4436]

@@stevewatson6839 Yeah i might not be into much competetive stuff but I am also not going to fret over 15 less frames in RT. Did you happen to get one of these cards? I did in the end

[@stevewatson6839]

@@alyx4436 I'm rarely a first adopter. I haven't the patience to be an unofficial beta tester; which is what a lot of hardware and software "on the shelves" so-to-speak seems like with the rush to get one over one another. Nor have I the patience for queuing. I generally wait six months for the fuss to die down and see what the real deal is. It'll be more so this gen with the scattershot behaviour of the card at the moment. It'll probably be a Sapphire model when I do bite the bullet.

[@halbouma6720]

Yeah, nVidia's had over 2 months to get their drivers optimized for Lovelace/4080 and the games it knows the AMD card would be benchmarked against. Give AMD a few months to get the drivers matured to the same level and I expect it to be a different story.

[@philtro99]

Great video, wonderfully produced, But it's well known AMD still don't have their ray tracing ducks in a row. It's great to see tests showing it anyways, and hopefully drivers will help. I just picked up an xtx and I have little interest in ray tracing or supporting anti competitive companies like Nvidia and Intel, so I'm very happy for the alternative option (we still need more though! And yes I know AMD isn't always perfect, but they're a hell of a lot less evil)

[@macd7743]

I’ve watched nearly every KZbin review on AMD and Nvidia flagship GPUs. For me, your conclusion rings among the most logical and well stated. Great work and analysis!

[@Luredreier]

I don't know. Her testing methodology is consistent in using the highest possible setting. But remember that most people don't play with those settings, simply because they don't make sense, and that isn't what the game devs are aiming for or what their vision is either. People play with a "high" setting. And that's where AMD stretches its legs. AMD customers are used to playing with settings because of all the shenanigans that Nvidia has played through the years. So we care more about how good of an experience we can get for a given amount of money. And there AMD gives us a better value, even if that's means a slightly lower RT setting.

[@macd7743]

@@Luredreier Interesting perspective and observation. No doubt, for most ray tracing is a highly overrated feature. I believe it should be mentioned, but generally definitely not weighted heavily as an important factor. I'd appreciate more specifics regarding which results of hers you found dubious. Nothing really stood out to me. I don't think this was the most thorough review of those I watched but I did find her conclusions to be really sound. Perhaps it's just a matter of me running everything through my own biased filters, which we pretty much all do to at least some extent. I think one of the issues when discussing technology hardware, especially where the results of benchmarks are not clear-cut across the board, is that everyone has different priorities and expectations.

[@JezyYT]

Awesome video as usual Lauren xx

[@thejnelson88]

AMD has proven in the past with releasing cards while their drivers aren't optimized yet. This was proven on their 6000 series cards. These cards will age like a good whiskey.

[@CrazyCranker]

First, It's good to see you again. :) I think your the only KZbinr with a AIB card atm and you nail it on the review. Great Job:) I think the bigger disappointment for me was a lack of stock at Launch time. This, after spending ten hours on the refresh button. The SAPPHIRE NITRO Radeon RX 7900 XTX seems to be the card to get atm with a Boost Clock of 2680 MHz. All & All, I think all just wait till the 4090 Ti comes out this summer.

[@thepro08]

cyber bug should not be considered in reviews, as nobody plays it and finish in a few weeks max, and tis balantly made for ngreedia. cod is a major game that have millions of only players....

[@callmetatan]

I can't believe my eyes and ears that this channel actually exists...Too much underrated

[@coffee7180]

9:52 just so you know the cur temp is the normal temp you see in most gpu like does on nvidia and the junc temp is just a additionel temp. The card is running on 56 degrees in normal mode and 61 in silent mode, just insanely good for a high end product.

[@thatstrangekid9091]

I'm sry but your voice is so soothing it's putting me to sleep. Great video btw!

[@thanasysdim]

Nice review that includes all the right cards for comparison. Thank you for this review that actually gave me exactly the information I needed for a specific model I was interested in, namely the TUF version.

[@MosesTemu]

Yay! Finally got an AMD card. I'm very split on these cards. Seems the performance isn't up to what anyone expected or hoped, including AMD. Maybe some driver issues? It is a new architecture after all. But if the performance doesn't get better with updates, depending on game, it's may not be an appealing option without a price drop. Hope they have a stronger showing against 70/60 class cards.

[@autotropicplaybench1819]

There's definitely driver issues given reports of high power consumption at idle and AMD's always had unexpected issues like this that would usually take around 6 months to improve at least historically. However these frankly wouldn't be appealing even with such potential updates imo as they are lacking in compute/non-gaming workloads even outside CUDA (which they can't utilize anyway since that's NVIDIA's proprietary one). I get the pricing could be due to R&D as this is the first chiplet based GPUs but still.

[@sjneow]

@@autotropicplaybench1819 for gamers, those other workloads doesnt matter so might as well save some money and go AMD

[@xyr3s]

It's better than a 4080 in most games from the benchmarks I've seen on youtube and cheaper, I think it's definitely upto expectations. The xt on the other hand? That could be cheaper imo :)

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

there are driver issues- still shit card for the price. xtx is almost as bad as the 4080. xt is also as bad. buying last gen, wether nvidia or amd makes more sense unless you get the best 4090..

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

it only struggles as far as RT is concerned, which is something Nvidia created, and it isn't standard practice for gamers yet to use RT.

[@vaeloreonari7516]

Pair the GPU with a AMD 7900x with SAM enabled, I'd really like to see the results.

[@Calignos]

Thank you, this was a good review, useful and well presented. I would like to see some resolutions other than 4k however. From other reviews, the 7900 XTX seems to compare better at 1440p & 1080p. I personally won't be moving to 4k for several generations yet.

[@nephilimslayer]

yeah 4k gaming is still not good with rt on....if u dont use rt u can game at 4k with the 7900xtx and the 4090. next year gpus will be better at 4k with rt

[@pcgamerzzzchannel3407]

​​@@nephilimslayer a 4090 eats most games for breakfast at 4k max settings rt on, especially with dlss.

[@pcgamerzzzchannel3407]

I own a 4090 13900k build and a 7900xtx 7800x3d build , 1440p looks like 1080p, with fsr and even without it still performs pretty well at 4k max settings. I see no reason to play at 1440p unless your an hardcore competitive fps gamer.

[@nephilimslayer]

@@pcgamerzzzchannel3407 without dlss it's the same as the 7900xtx.....maybe 5 fps more....4k is still to demanding if u play AAA titles. we will see with the 5090 if it can truly handle 4k native

[@pcgamerzzzchannel3407]

@@nephilimslayer not really even an 7900xtx runs 4k great for example cyberpunk 2077 at ultra fsr on perf rtx on amd fluid motion runs about 80-90 fps. Most games it handle it just fine. It still cant comprehend how you stated a 4090 as a 1440p card even without dlss you get 60 fps+. 1440p is useless most of the time if you own a 4080 7900xtx let alone a 4090 , besides 4k with dlss or fsr still looks much sharper. You should watch some benchmarks..

[@magno5157]

I really wish everyone would just stop buying new cards for a minimum of 2 years and resume buying very, very slowly. That would cool the market and suffocate nvidia for its disgusting price gouging. Nvidia's no different from scalpers.

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

I just bought this card. Haven’t received it yet but very excited. Going from a 3080 which I really like but that 10gb vram limits me to not being able to use mods on cyberpunk whilst using framegen to use ray and path tracing. A shame really as once I add mods I go over the ram limit and it falls apart. Still I’m hoping the 7900 xtx has a enough vram and horsepower to run high fps with mods instead of ray and path tracing

[@Jeffmorgan1991]

Currently, you can get, 4080 for £1160. The 7900 XT is £930. When the XTX comes out in the UK it's looking like it will be over £1000. Not really a bargain, you get to pick between good ray-tracing or bad ray-tracing and sometimes small improved fps but non-ray-tracing. Guess still waiting for a sub £1000 card that is exciting

[@Scoobydcs]

love your channel and style lauren

[@SparkySven]

Driver support will greatly improve performance I’m pretty sure seeing the massive performance I gained with my current AMD RDNA1 Sapphire Nitro+ and we MSFS2020 Vr flyers need as much VRAM we can get so 24GB is super and at a price Point that is so much better than RTX 4080 that only has 16GB

[@wattson85]

When are they gonna release it? What’s the price tag?

[@cparoli1111]

Driver optimization is a big part of the performance. Let's wait, maybe we will have good surprises in the future with new drivers.

[@ShanGamer1981]

Sweet new video! Keep them Coming!

[@Darthsiddiousful]

Nice review and nice explanation about these cards especially about the 7900 xtx :)

[@bryndal36]

I think it comes down to whether or not you want rtx. If you're not worried about it, then the 7900XTX is worth it given it's lower price bracket, but if you want all the bells and whistles that Nvidia can bring to the table including nvenc then the 4080 is a much better purchase.

[@JeradBenge]

I've had ~18 hours with an RX 7900 XTX, and Nvenc is already dead to me. Ray tracing is still behind though, and that's probably important for a good number of gamers. If I could run Stable Diffusion with these cards then I'd just build all AMD systems from here on out, but it's looking like I'll still need at least one Nvidia GPU, or accelerator for my workflow. Which is very different from this time last year. For the sake of the gaming community, I'm hoping this becomes a heated pricing war by the time we see the low end. Gamers deserve a break.

[@unicodeq]

@@JeradBenge Hopefully Radeon makes the 7000 series much better with driver updates

[@TheGodfatherUk]

I think the bigger picture you need to look at here is a new chip design that drivers and developers can't immediately make use of. Give it time to mature. Ryzen 1000 series never got off to a great start if i remember.

[@153SCORN]

Nice review Lauren. Thanks 👍

[@yasermahdi7230]

How did you get your hands on the the tuf GPU? Please advise? And how much did it cost you?

[@jalliboy]

by buying it :P

[@mikebender6268]

The XTX is still using imature drivers vs the 40 series so there is still performance to come. In addition, the XTX has shown to easily hold an OC from 2.5ghz to a steady 3.2ghz, even up to 3.7ghz which will push its performance(even on immature drivers) up to 4090 levels in most titles (RT aside).

[@halbouma6720]

Yeah, nNidia's had two+ months to get their drivers optimized for the 4080 in time for the games it knew the 7900 would be benchmarked against. Give AMD a few months to get the issues worked out. The 4090 was so much faster than everything else out at the time that anything causing 20% performance hits wouldn't be noticed.

[@TomGB-81]

@@halbouma6720 nvidia driver support has always almost been flawless in comparison to AMD. When you say things like - "give AMD a few months to get it right". isn't too far from when nvidia are announcing their next gen cards - whilst such drivers are being optimised - thus is the time AMD driver engineers should be working.

[@PhobiaSoft]

My biggest issue with AMD cards has always been that I would have to go without the NVENC video encoder, which I use on a daily basis. However, if AV1 takes off and becomes the new defacto standard for streaming and video encoding, I won't care about NVENC anymore, and suddenly, NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel, all become valid options. Competition in the GPU scene is about to be fantastic, and I can't wait.

[@anarekist]

How are the junction temps?

I bought the same card but from Sapphire. I just love it. It's performance is just beautiful. ❤

[@laxinsal]

4080 & 7900xtx percentage increase is a good comparison. Wish to see those comparisons more. 👍

[@ValeYard13]

Due to width limitations in the case I’ve chosen, I need to go for this instead of the 4080 (but a smaller version of the card). Longtime viewer, first time builder, hope I don’t break anything!

[@choatus]

eh I feel bad for you mate, you might regret not just buying a bigger case...

[@ValeYard13]

@@choatus possibly :) but I got a 7900 xtx now so am committed 🙃

[@logggchop5265]

7900 XTX over time will only get better, you made the right choice

[@choatus]

@@ValeYard13 RIP mate

[@michaelandrews4783]

You have the first review of this I have found nice

[@C0smicThund3r]

You say that AMD cards are rare but they've had plenty of 6000 series in stock on Amazon for months. For example, the XFX RX 6900XT was going for just £640 last month.

[@zshadows]

Thanks. I appreciate the focus on RT vs traditional Easter graphics. We all hoped AMD was pricing to overturn the market, but it's turned out they just priced it relatively appropriately.

[@Beam_Teamer]

game engine technology is not that well developed when it comes to RT and nobody is taking advantage of it properly because gaming has become way too commercialized

[@saint474747]

I'm about to buy my first AMD card too. Unless ATi counts as well. God those ATi cards were good back in the day!!

[@vannibotblack1602]

i am disappointed in amd's RT performance but for all games you can turn RT off which will make the 7900xtx better in almost every game. so easy guide would be do you want to play with Ray tracing buy an nvidia GPU do you want to play without Ray tracing buy an AMD GPU

[@jamesrobinson6428]

Ey up Lauren lass 😀 There is one silver lining we can see from the launches of these new generation of graphics cards; And that is you can pick-up second-hand RTX 3070's, 3080's, RX 6800 (XT)s on Ebay between £400- £600. The performance of those cards are more than enough for gamers below 4K at 1080p and 1440p resolutions with high detail settings. I am pretty sure most of us in the TastyPC fam are rocking the xx70 series from NVidia or AMD RX 6750XT class or below graphics cards. Thanks for the review anyway 🥰 I hope you are doing well and keep up the good work.

[@TastyPC]

The RTX 3080 launched with an MSRP of £650 in the UK. The prices they are going for on eBay at 2 years old is crazy lol. They should be £350 in my opinion.

[@AlfaPro1337]

What is AMD even doing? Their tier-to-tier fails, just like the RX Flop series/Flop VII. The 7900 series can't even beat the 4090.

[@ardi1606]

let alone 4090, it can't even beat 4080.

[@AlfaPro1337]

@@ardi1606 4090 is a prosumer, 4080 series is for enthusiast

[@the-cuteaxe]

Dam 1st time in forever that i dont skip the unboxing part

[@user_16309]

Is this available? Where? Thanks!

[@EJSmith-dk3yg]

Perhaps you need a Threadripper system to do your testing ? I know it's costly ... but possibly your patrons can help ? Unfortunately I am currently not in a position to help 😢! Best of Luck 🍀!

[@csefthomas]

Great review, thank you.

[@AgeAye716]

If the TUF 7900xtx OC is the same cost as as the TUF 4080, which would you choose? Does this card have more promise over time with AMD driver updates?

[@TastyPC]

For me I'd choose the 4080. The reason for this is because I believe in the future more and more games will adopt heavier and heavier ray tracing implementations. Especially after the consoles get their mid-generation "pro" version refresh. This would mean that the card that can ray trace better should age better. However, I don't have a crystal ball and there's no way for me to know what the future actually holds. Traditionally AMD cards age better. So it's really up to you to weigh everything up and make a judgement call.

[@Whoshotmyrifle]

@@TastyPC I managed to find two like for like pre-built systems with a 4080 and a 7900XTX (both Asus TUF) the only difference is the 7900XTX is around £270 cheaper. Would you say on that note it's worth buying if I'm not too bothered with Raytracing? I mean I only turn Raytracing on in single player games and at 1440p with FSR I can imagine it would be very playable on a 7900XTX right?

[@labr4t449]

@@Whoshotmyrifle I was debating TUF 4080 and the TUF 7900 XTX OC as both were the same price. I ended up going 7950X + 7900XTX and so far no issues. not sure how the 4080 performs but I was averaging 62 FPS with all settings to ultra and raytracing set to psycho in cyberpunk 3440 X 1440.