My FIRST Games of "Zero Space" - the NEW RTS!

ZeroSpace is a NEW RTS being made by top SC2 RTS minds such as Scarlett, CatZ and PiG.
In this video, I play games against NoRegreT, the former SC2 progamer. I cut out the very first game because it was mostly just reading what things did and making random buildings.
I'm probably LIVE right now, check me out:
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[@minibeast21]

Great to see Stormgate, zerospace, tempest rising, BAR & stargate terran command nicely bringing back RTS genre back from the brink

[@illiabovtriuk2166]

I dont think stormgate has a good chance, zero space looks significantly superior so far. But, for now, we have onlee seen closed beta of course

[@Sam-vd1ce]

​@@illiabovtriuk2166seriously. Stormgate isn't looking that great. Nothing really stands out mechanics wise.

[@DrivenTrigger]

Guys in chat are the worst... it's in Alpha and they're talking about how bad the sound design is, literally braindead.

[@ief014]

huh isnt the point of demoing a game in development to get feedback?

[@Appletank8]

Feedback on stuff they’re actually working on, not stuff that are placeholders. Like asking for critique on a painting but asking about the lack of a frame instead.

[@ief014]

@@Appletank8 how do you know they are placeholders? is that something they mentioned? if so that's fine. i'm sure they can handle a bit of critique, because if they couldn't they probably wouldn't be developing a game for one of the most diehard gaming communities

[@DrivenTrigger]

@@ief014 It's obvious.... the "Zerg" workers have the same voicelines as the "Terran" for example, the janky animations, music, etc - that's all polish. You don't polish a turd, they are clearly working on the fundamentals and this is a working proof of concept, early in the development cycle.

[@cooler1339]

Well it’s still good feedback to let them know the final one shouldn’t be as sleep inducing and relaxing as this one lol

[@haoxus9413]

There's something off about Human race being capable of using lazers and battleships to fight in space, but still uses dudes swinging hammers to mine

[@maoduida387]

what if its criminal labor and they are too dangerous to give space lasers too?

[@AntonioLopez-kw3ev]

Retards don’t think

[@beridledodopidop4822]

lame logic@@maoduida387

[@maoduida387]

@@beridledodopidop4822 Your suggestions are lamer than my logic, and the only reason you stuck to two words is cause you can't think of anything intelligent.

[@fujin27]

They’re not spending money to give the guys on the bottom better equipment. Quotas will continue to rise until morale improves too.

[@sharpasacueball]

Considering how goofy sc2 was at launch, I guess this does look promising

[@Olagfigh]

Heh, it looks like a goofy sc2 clone but at least it's not a pixel art :D

[@DxKShifty]

not even in alpha yet lol

[@Duskhue]

goofy? HUH

[@kosmosfantasias7545]

This video is incomplete because you didn't click the glowing circle at the middle top of the screen. That's where you unlock other upgrades.

[@TurboThunderGaming]

Agree with Artosis here, but that might be just that one Faction, but what put me off WC3 was the hero system too, so having another RTS with heroes doesn't seem fun. However, that second game with the blossom trees and plantbased faction felt like zerg but greener, platlife instead of aliens, liked that though.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

But if you don't want heroes, there's already StormGate, so what's the point? - Adûnâi

[@TurboThunderGaming]

@@angamaitesangahyando685 that stormgate blows

[@shanelee848]

I’m looking forward to this game. The visuals are great but for gameplay and clarity’s sake I think everything is a little too pastel and it all blends together. I’d like more distinction

[@Marionettetc]

Hard lines and sharper colors would be awesome and easier for the eye to follow for sure

[@mezzo746]

Release is in 2025, so chill.

[@shanelee848]

@@mezzo746 promise you devs are in here reading feedback

[@KabertaKneeGr0wCxntman]

the visuals are bad wdym

[@alexanderxyz6146]

Fair enough but it's just an Alpha. Dude and dont forget what really counts is how it plays. Play and watch is always quite difference from my exp in the past.once you have fun you forget the cinema or vice versa... Also this is not Aaa game, so just bare with the grafics please? We all - most of sc bw - are more about the gameplay which most new games don't offer so are thankful for these direction games! Lets give these games a chance who at least try to rebuild a new modern Rts PS on that regard I'd say Immortal gates of pyre, IGoP might also be for you. The gameplay is really distinguishing and imo the factions rather different (and it'snot with heroes but commanders are just global perks basically) It's in pre-beta. They have a wonderful discord, you can try to apply for playing it. And sometimes its open to play. Also there is supporter packs Or in the direction. Gl hf

[@sealboy1211]

I have a feeling anyone trying to copy StarCraft 2 is going to have their project die. Unfortunately, StarCraft 2 has the competive ladder vibe on lock. No one is going to leave that for one of these. The “StarCraft” style is going to need a full on epic campaign and coop, people will eat up something like tempest rising because we haven’t had a command and conquer romp in a good while. But this, and stormgate are really going to have to do something special to cause people to drop the finely tuned 1v1 experience from StarCraft. It will be telling when a week after this releases, the big names involved in creating or lending philosophies to it, are still streaming StarCraft.

[@LATasKara]

The soundtrack is good, what I really miss from recent rts are 3-4 songs for each faction or race, very distinguish from each other, I hope they nail that

[@alexanderxyz6146]

Those are fine tunings. What really matters is the gameplay though. Dont be picky. There wont be sc bw or sc2 again (based what you pref). However, we can hope for good gameplay games this is the focus, cause good-cinema wise there are endless (but actual bad) games.

[@gausgrin649]

Idk if a video has ever made me more aware of how important audio design is. I wonder if the balancing is just shit because its alpa or if artosis just has his sliders done weirdly - either way this royalty free robo saloon music is making my brain shrink

[@Timmsh88]

It's not even alpha, it's planned for 2025.

[@rocketrockinit]

Looks fun can't wait to try it.

[@miEye1]

Finally i see some gameplay of this game, thanks for it

[@mohastgridlock]

Thanks for showing this off! It looks great... if only Artosis paid an ounce of attention.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

"Rrr... not Broodwar... grr, no like.... NO WANT..." - Tosis

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Honestly, BW is not even an "RTS" at this point, BW is BW and can only satisfy BW players' BW sensibilities. - Adûnâi

[@tuhaggis]

Every time I watch this game, I keep waiting for the part that looks fun but it never comes

[@nicksterba]

First time seeing this and it's looks okayish, but I keep thinking "but why not just play starcraft"

[@yyyy-uv3po]

@@nicksterba The units don't seem to clamp as much as in SC2, which is already a good thing.

[@mezzo746]

@@nicksterba You compare a indie game with a AAA Studio with a franchise, which is like 25 years old. Wake up bro

[@nicksterba]

@@mezzo746 I will wake up and choose to play starcraft, yes.

[@MichaelMantion]

@@mezzo746 Was Minecraft a AAA studio game? I am pretty sure it was an indie game, have you heard of minecraft? Its sorta popular.

[@Animefightforum]

Looks good. A few tweaks and stuff - if it comes out in 2025 then there is still a lot of rooming to tweaking which is awesome. Based on what we saw, I think the heroes aren't quite as OP as warcraft heroes and probably are used mainly to help stave off rushes in the early game. Which is good because it seems to give you a decent chance of recovering if you get cheesed and have minimal units to defend. Music definitely needs to be more iconic and military-esque. Overall looks decent 7/10 for now. P.S The visuals are definitely on point. Super sharp, super smooth.

[@wulver810]

This looks like shit for a game that comes out in 2025

[@alexanderxyz6146]

support dude support, not just early game. how boring would it be only in early game that would play like an alpha game.

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

This looks like a game I would play for a couple of days then just switch back to Broodwar or SC2

[@danieln6700]

Pretty much.

[@Sinekyre14]

I disagree. It looks super cool and with music added, I know the devs who are all progamers would make this a million times more exciting than SC2

[@dontcaremyStats]

Looks better than stormgate anyway

[@noddy1973]

​@@Sinekyre14music? You mean poorly looped exploration track?

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

​@@Sinekyre14 I want an RTS game that has heroes like Mobile Legends and is getting updates (like Mobile Legends). Unfortunately, BW is more like chess in that regard. - Adûnâi

[@mdter]

They nailed the visuals imo, it will be great to spectate this game if it turns out to be good. The design and presentation are really good, I dig it a lot better than sc2. I only wish "creep" had a little more variety to it, have some more hue variation, and some patches of different textures. "terran" units and buildings look really good, they don't look rushed or cheap, but they aren't absurdly overdesigned either. Good mix between realistic and futuristic. One bad thing I can see is letting players instantly drop those obelisks at will... anything that alters terrain and pathing needs to have some delay and a visual indicator for the opponent(s), or it's going to cause some massive frustration.

[@bigmikeobama5314]

this entire game couldve been made in the sc2 map editor and nobody would be the wiser.

[@lukethedukea380]

"the entire fps genre could have been developed using the halo forge editor and no one would be the wiser"

[@Appletank8]

Hey Arty, the big leaf munching thing is basically recall, not an offensive ability.

[@Appletank8]

@robertk3363 I'm pretty sure it recalls home only, so, not as much opportunity to attack with it.

[@papimorlezan2677]

ctrl-Q is your recall ability, cntrl-W is an evolution ability that makes your units better (should be spamming this). The glowing icon with the numbers up top that kept flashing, that's how you select your talents, and that starting big tree flower thing as Grell, that's your hive/lair that's how you go to next tier.

[@mr420quickscops2]

Game looks like it has great potential

[@yyyy-uv3po]

I think that strategies will come with time, but for now it looks sleek, the UI is OK and the music is quite good. I'm not sure about the heroes though.

[@2slick4u.]

I like the Music so far, not a mastercraft but the vibe is mystic. i like it

[@Penrose517]

this pre alpha build is a fever dream..

[@basimaziz]

Melee hero attack animation could use some work. It winds up the animation, but then stops because the attack damage occurs AHEAD of when the animation "hits" the enemy. So if an attack kills an enemy, the animation doesn't finish in a satisfying way. Maybe a snappier attack animation to match when the damage tick occurs? Ok, criticism done. Now for stuff I like~. I love that tank that can have 4 guns added to it and I really like the narrative idea of Grell~. Zerg, Tyranid, The Flesh that Hates, often swarming enemies fall into the "flesh based" or "flesh horror" category. But the Grell are PLANT horrors~! That is VERY interesting! And I love how when playing as the Grell, you get to make a beautiful garden as you play~. It's so cool! :D Also digging the primary resource gathering. Flux gathering is... interesting. Flux doesn't appear to need to have the resources "returned" to a resource drop off building. You just get it. I find this kinda interesting. Puts more emphasis on guarding the workers, I think. So yeah, aside from some small niggles, this game looks super fun~. Overall a super fun looking game! Yeah, I see it's missing some sounds but, that's fine, it's in beta. I'm VERY excited to play this!

[@cdklyz2]

Looks like fun!

[@jasonsoliva6678]

I wonder if artosis ever played the other older korean starcraft clones such as Atrox, Armageddon for Crimson Glory and Jurassic War.

[@Joffrerap]

music and graphics are very nice

[@tomaszsikora1293]

Cant wait to play this

[@sethiddings7293]

"One of the heroes of the race you just played was pretty good" out of 10

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I'm really not understanding the Team colors here, is Arty supposed to be Orange? because both sides look red and it's confusing, imagine if it were a mirror match. Of course I don't like the art style very much, especially the buildings which seem super-bland and hard to differentiate. I do kind of like that big tank thing though, i'm down for units with multiple turrets and hard points.

[@Zontivity]

I got to say I like elements of this game, but also feels like there might just be to many "layers". With 4 races, heroes, mercs and multiple currency + EXP. This appeals me more than stormgate so for but still missing sc2 feeling of responsiveness and more "active" combat. I all gives a slow feel comparetivly to SC2, that is not necessarily a problem for most people and not the makers of Zerospace since they want to make their own RTS. But I really want a SC2 similar RTS game and dosnt look like that is coming.

[@Strauss-]

to be fair, warcraft 3 is also crazy dense with layers and it's good. Difference is that there is more intersection with wc3 - shops, mercs, creeps all converge on heroes

[@Ziegfried82]

Starting with hero units makes the game too focused on hero control like Warcraft3. I'd move away from having the players start with a hero unit and push that to the end of the tech trees.

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

These games try to be much more Warcraft 3 with heroes rather than StarCraft.

[@Appletank8]

TBF one of the goals of ZS is to lower lethality, one of the common annoyance of SC2 was how many “blink and all your shit dies” was in the game.

[@CaioEspinola]

@@Ziegfried82 The idea is that heroes in the early game will protect you from cheese tactics. They grow weaker as the game goes by

[@whzbwkkfu]

It doesn't look awful, but.. It doesn't seem interesting either - seems like most of the ideas are rehashes of SC2 or WC3, but with less cohesive design philosophy and a wonky and bland art style. UI and music definitely also needs some work. That said, it's still early days and they can of course make something great, which I hope!

[@bigmikeobama5314]

i think this entire thing is too derivitive to be great. if this wouldve launched before sc2 then maybe but this is just a clone of sc2 with like 1 or 2 unique features added, this entire game couldve been made in sc2 map editor and nobody would know the difference

[@TKGameGuy]

Liking it so far!

[@ToTheNines87368]

Is the game missing sound effects?

[@tatsuuuuuu]

hell yeah!

[@phoenixlich]

Resource harvesters like c&c games?! color me intrigued.

[@user-jc5hj4hy7i]

I appreciate that destroyed tanks stay on the map as obstacles.

[@Costelad]

The music sounds like it should be on the Settings screen.

[@Strix2031]

Idk how i feel about the visuals,wouldve liked something with constrast everything feels really bright?

[@MichiruPoster]

This is not going to be popular to say, especially according to modern game design dogmas, but I think a real competitive RTS successor needs to be mechanically harder than this. That said, I'm only basing this impression on videos of this game that I've seen.

[@knobgobler2639]

I think it could use more complexity rather than necessarily difficulty. And armies should have a reason to fight on multiple fronts rather than starcrafts 2s army balls.

[@almightyhydra]

@@knobgobler2639 I can see this game having a fairly high skill ceiling. Every engagement we saw in this video there were issues with getting the units into range (they block each other). A player who can control 2-3 groups and get them all into position at the right time will come out way ahead of anyone who uses deathballs.

[@almightyhydra]

We didn't see the top bar abilities being used, nor a wide variety of units as the players didn't pick any talents

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

How is this not hard enough?? It's an RTS wit army building and management, already harder than 99% of the games on the market. - Adûnâi

[@Omgtired]

​@@knobgobler2639it's been like 7 years since armies in sc2 were fighting in balls

[@mr420quickscops2]

Chat: "Click top circle Arty" Artosis: *Hovers over an ability for 2 seconds next to circle*

[@severusalexander8567]

If you get bored of Broodwar or SC2, just try aoe 2 instead .... while this look like a decent game its no next gen rts and i feel there are others that deserve your attention more

[@tastyscavenger]

I just hope it doesn't have the almost binary balancing of SC2 with the rock paper scissors armor and damage typing, and more of the BW balance.

[@Daemurry]

아토시스 가즈아!

[@AreolaGrande94]

So the protectorate looks OP and the grell looks shit. They have to fix the balance. It's insane one side's units don't die and the other's get eviscerated. What's up with the mining/costs for things. 2nd game you just kept piling up purple stuff that was barely used and kept building harvesting sites for blue minerals but kept running out.

[@d0k0night]

I understand this is an early build, but it seems to be missing something. It feels more like an Age of Empires than it does a SC successor. Much of this probably has to do with how slow the basic units seem to move and their size on-screen. The music caught me at first, but then I realized it's just kinda something that sits in the background and is forgettable. It's not music that hooks into your brain that's distinctive, eg. you wouldn't listen to this, and within 3 seconds go "oh that's Stormgate human theme 1!".

[@MrRolnicek]

What it's missing is about half of the game mechanics which he simply didn't use but they're in the game already. It's the top bar of levelling up your faction with a skilltree and the powers you get.

[@pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371]

How many species have been lost to time? How long did life flourish on this rock before the 1st people stood up? How long did it take humanity to reach this degree of technology? How many games did Blizz make before Starcraft? Evolution is the process of the best traits surviving because NOTHING IS PERFECT. My point, if a company is trying to make advancements we should support them. The business model of profitability over quality can only be broken by us; the consumers. It is imperative we discuss our likes and dislikes, this helps developers maintain perspective on their product. The only question that determines which companies deserve our support is thus. Does this company want to improve or make the most money with the least effort? Maybe Tassels is right, maybe I am a dumbhead. Maybe if The Witcher did not sell we would still have gotten The Witcher 3.

[@maximilianw9671]

I really hope the music is just a placeholder.

[@crboxRTS]

I don't think the heroes add a lot of value. Game looks interesting but I would prefer with no hero, personally.

[@Man_3336]

Same.

[@Ziegfried82]

I think it's better to just have a strong commando type unit at the end of the tech tree rather than having hero units. Otherwise the game is more about hero control like Warcraft 3 was.

[@dimayurchenko4859]

I think they are going to allow to make builds where heroes are not the core of the army. The primary feature of them is the limitation of built count and few extra spells

[@Appletank8]

The idea they gave for the heroes is to provide a bit of early map control. Afterwards they become less important and you can largely ignore them if you don’t want to. They’re not end game super powerful units precisely because they don’t want them to horde all the power budget.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Agreed.

[@boredboyeddie1227]

looks like an decent game but the overall style is so off for me....the units are so small, its hard to say whats going on during fights, units blend too much with the terrain and so on

[@shafeenmahmud8850]

I know what isnt good, this video

[@bow1ma]

Should of went 3 hatch or the equivalent of it

[@mikeskirk]

Artosis will hate this game, because it takes skill to micro.

[@lighttruth101]

better graphics and color theme would be nice, the grass thing just feels out of place in truth, it should be more other worldly.

[@travisdunlap4526]

Two games and no one pressed the big flashing button at the top of the screen! You all missed out on talents, that's like a quarter of each races strength right there!

[@miza6]

The movement of units feel too slow, particularly the worker

[@Imboz]

It looks like a mobile game. Surely this must be free to play.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

StormGate is free to play, ZeroSpace is not. And what's wrong with mobile games? Mobile Legends looks better than LoL. - Adûnâi

[@josephl6289]

Looks so much better than TA clones like BAR which is complete trash

[@agi157]

Looks ok, but I don't think the "throw everything at the wall" approach is very efficient. Do they think they're coming up with things that nobody has tried before? It's likely they're trying 99 things other RTS have either implemented to success/failure, or tried and scrapped. It's not a new genre and the idea that they're going to come up with the One Thing that makes their RTS better than bw/sc2 is a fool's errand imo. If ZeroSpace was closer to release I would have backed it anyway, but it doesn't look like they're going to beat the Stormgate beta, so I didn't bother. Best of luck and I hope they succeed, but I think the Frost Giant approach of "do what we know works from the history of RTS, oh and we've done this before ultra-successfully multiple times" approach is much more likely to come up with a worthy successor to the RTS genre. Either way it's a tall task for any team to actually top the best in the genre, and some of the best games of all time.

[@danielsuarez8647]

I dont like how the buildings and units are so big and the camera is so close ... also the HDU is big as fuck I hate this style ... i wish they would make it more blend to the game so it doesnt disrupt you but you styl have overview

[@MrScottnutt]

is there an in game timer/clock?

[@Appletank8]

There’s a clock on the top right. Will probably be redesigned later.

[@holucus993]

i say that it is overall good but it would be better if they have dedicated defense buildings and the stats of some units are increase like the terror tank being more tankier and more deadlier overall

[@bgfgfgfbf5462]

Zero Space has a slower pace than Stormgate, that's why i prefer Zero Space to Stormgat. i don't like fast pace rts like Starcraft 2, unit die too quickly and audience can't catch up with what just happened with the battle.

[@zacrusk5274]

I was hurt when RT stopped caring about sc2 but I got over it and watch him play BW even though I mostly like sc2. But I really hope this game sparks the passion he has for bw but with this new game. He is the ultimate gamer and we would be so lucky to watch him learn a new RTS! Long love the lion in the grass, RT!!

[@majormononoke8958]

lol

[@zBatboyz]

Never gonna happen, you can hear how disinterested he is in the game. Feels like he's being forced to play it

[@Omgtired]

Not gonna happen. Honestly I was hyped first, but it feels to me that next sc2 not gonna happen for better or for worse

[@zacrusk5274]

@@Omgtired a guy in chat can dream though ;)

[@flammenengel2002]

I don't need a new rts! Starcraft 1 (broodwar) forever

[@imjohnfreeman]

Looks fun as hell for my senile grandpa

[@DjAtmaWeapon]

Hmmm looks ruff honestly :/

[@user-jc5hj4hy7i]

Has the new sc2 balance patch got people looking at zerospace?

[@subterraa]

i can tell this is too overwhelming hardcore rts players wont like this game

[@cheesedanishable]

The game looks like it's from 2010

[@Erictraiven]

Stormgate looks better

[@menyaZavootMuzzy]

Game looks good, but still seems sort of... clunky? I hope that gets worked out as it develops. To me what makes StarCraft such a great competitive game is how fluid everything feels and like you're not fighting the interface or waiting for units to respond to you.

[@richardstra9011]

Kinda looks like a mobile game to me

[@Drogash]

How does this game run on a 32.9 ultrawide screen, i hope it supports my screen, because Starcraft 2 does not, Broodwar support its with black barz which is nice, and Warcraft 3 reforged looks really good with 32.9 Ultrawide, but for some reason Starcraft 2 is unplayable with a 32.9 screen no black barz and so support for my screen size. forced to play in windows mode on lower screen size, but that is never fun or good, I really Hope RTS games dont forget about 32.9 Ultrawide screens because lots of gamers are getting them now, and they are Great for alot of MMO's and survival games, or Arpgs, and any RTS that supports 32.9 looks really good like again Warcraft 3 reforged was done really well with 32.9 ultrawide screen, i really hope maybe games do was warcarft 3 did because it really looks great on 32.9 ultrawide screen, its the only RTS game that runs really well with my Screen

[@inkredibill6352]

This game will enjoy a player base of perhaps 100 players, if they're lucky.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

So like BW outside KR? - Adûnâi

[@gasstationpeanuts1814]

@@angamaitesangahyando685 Hey pal, I'll have you know that there are at least 233 of us!

[@AzngameFreak03]

RTS need to innovate. More than 3 races. More than the same cookie cutter high tech alien, hive alien, human. What about olden races, what about space faring races towards furry creatures, what about silicon based lifeforms, what about all these cool human subgenres such as dwarves, elves, undead, giants, ogres, sea people, mountain people, lava people, etcetcetc, the choices of this setting are ENDLESS, and all they make are Protoss, Terrain, Zerg. What about colony ships of people that just found soil, what about mechs and ai race? There's so much to consider and we got ..... Another Starcraft. WACK. Starship Troopers RTS was decent. Took the situation to a different level and I enjoyed it. It wasn't fleshed out with multiplayer, but the campaign was good enough that I warrant the justified price of $30. You can probably find it now for WAY cheaper. I like when people innovate RTS, not stagnate it.

[@AzngameFreak03]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy hive races, I enjoy high tech alien races, as well as human races. Why is it however, that the aim is always 3 races, 3 of the genre races as Starcraft, and only these 3 races forever? In this genre more = better. Starcraft 2 could have had way more units, balanced, and fun, however just like a terrible game development team they removed content instead of making it better for the rest of the game which is LAME for GAMING. Unit variety is what the average player wants. More races is what the player wants. However innovation was lost tremendously by Blizzard, and we all see what happens to them now.

[@bassbeardiful]

I'm not kissing ass when I say this, keep that in mind guys in the comments. Tapping into pro sc2 players for rts ideas is wonderful. It really is a tremendously clever idea. However, they should of dug into the well of knowledge that Dan and Nick have. If you wanted to make a new sport, it would be wise to get the opinions of athletes. It would also be wonderful to get the opinion of the announcers of that sport as well. These are the 2 perspectives that make something worth watching AND playing. Dan is particularly useful for this. He plays the race that requires skill to be fun to watch or play. So you would have the opinion of decades of watching others at the highest level ever, and decades of playing the easiest and hardest race themselves. I trust Dan and Nick's opinion on what is entertaining to watch more than I trust a pro players opinion on what is fun to play. The cap for viewing enjoyment is knowledge of what is happening, which they can provide while you watch. The cap on having fun playing is insane skill. Which i can not acquire in the speed in which the top tier level of enjoyment is possible on the fly. For instance, NFL players might make additions to the game that make the ball smaller so it is more difficult to catch or see from their perspective. However, John Madden may make the ball a different color so the fans can still keep track of it on tv. Both opinions are vital.

[@asdasdasdasd61932]

i actually agree with this. they need designers and commentators opinion to make the game more balanced. this may be fun for the pros and intense and whatever but it might not be playable for us non-pros

[@anonymousAJ]

I mostly disagree. I'm sure Tastosis have thought a lot about what makes RTS compelling. But the first priority should be to make the game fun/compelling for normies, not to make the game super balanced or exciting to watch. You can always take a popular game & make it a better esport, like Brood War did to SC. I'm not aware of cases where a game caught on because it was really well-balanced. In fact, I would argue that really balanced games tend to be less fun as there is less reward for discovering new ideas within the game. Part of the magic of Brood War is that the individual race matchups can be imbalanced (eg Protoss vs Terran) without breaking the game.

[@bassbeardiful]

@@anonymousAJ this kind if proves my point though. Pro gamers would balance a game very well. Someone that casts the game wants it to be exciting. That is the top priority.

[@whzbwkkfu]

Well this is only true if they want to make a game with the sole purpose of it becoming an e-Sport. This was never Starcraft's purpose - its purpose first and foremost was to make a game that was fun and could be enjoyed by everyone. I don't see how Dan and Nick would be representatives of this. Not saying their inputs wouldn't be great to have - of course, they would. But Dan and Nick (or any of the pro gamers for that matter) are not the majority of players - the majority of players are bronze to master's league players. What they need to do, if they want a game with mass-appeal, is to ask the masses what they want - every person has a different opinion on what they find fun. You can't _reliably_ design a game for millions with a handful of people - that is very risky.

[@TheOhmahgawdz]

The people who made BW, AOE, and command and conquer didn't need years of RTS eSports experience to make a good and innovative game. What you need is a small group of really smart and creative people. I remember reading an article where one of Nintendo's higher-ups said they like to hire people who don't play video games, because they're better at coming up with new ideas that haven't been done before. Nick and Dan know StarCraft. If you want to make another StarCraft, go ahead and ask them. The problem with that is StarCraft already exists. I think this attitude is what contributes to the lack of innovation in games over the last several years - everybody who makes games has probably played tons of them before, so their idea of a good game is heavily influenced by things that exist already. That makes it really hard to come up with one's own ideas, instead of just iterating on existing ones.

[@teachmehowtodoge1737]

Units need some more movement speed. Too slow

[@Marionettetc]

Zerospace looks way better than stormgate, glad you're trying it

[@zerozip3426]

Lol no it doesn't.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

​@@zerozip3426 There are people that prefer StormGate? - Adûnâi

[@taz31999]

The only RTS I am waiting for is Tempest Rising. All these bright colored mobile game looking RTS trying to be SC2/WC3 really does nothing to me. I am so done with the blizzard game art style on every freaking games trying to be like them. A little bit of dark colors will not kill anybody. Also I do not understand the design of the last faction Arty played. They seems to be giant insects with plant like buildings, but the hero is a dude with a gun, what the hell? Why not having the hero being a big bug or a walking plant to fit with the theme of this faction? I understand the tanks, because I assume they are mercenaries, but why the hero you start with look so out of place?

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Tempest Rising is going to have no multiplayer scene, and it's much harder to distinguish between units due to everything being so dark (let alone run it on low-end machines). - Adûnâi

[@Omgtired]

It's a merc hero, like in wc3 where you can hire demon or undead heroes even as human

[@non_da]

Ehh it's just SC2 but slightly different (I guess like AoE). Kinda feels like SC2 but with League mechanics with the heroes incorporated (The spell UI and movement feels very LoL and I hate that. Would prefer DotA UI.) . Now I love Warcraft 3 so heroes can be a great addition to an RTS but as for a sci fi game? Nah. I don't like it. It looks impressive enough visually and clearly the programmers know what they're doing but I don't get what role a 'new' game like this is supposed to fill? If the races are all inspired by Terran/Zerg/Protoss then I'm gonna laugh because why the hell would anyone play this over SC2? I only played SC2 back in HotS and prior but all the flaws of SC2 became incredibly apparent and this seems to play like SC2 in that regard. Everything is streamlined. There seems to be less micro and building 'sim city'. It's the direction that bothers me, because I can overlook things like lack of kill sounds, hit physics, music, and bland design.. those things can improve but you must build up from a genuinely entertaining and mechanical game when it comes to an RTS and this ain't it!

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Let's see, this game has heroes and no workers, so on both fronts it's much better and different than SC2. And if not ZeroSpace, what future does RTS even have? StormGate? - Adûnâi

[@Omgtired]

​@@angamaitesangahyando685how not having workers is better?

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

​@@Omgtired Considering how easy it is to kill workers in SC2, with modern RTS controls, yes, it seems better. - Adûnâi

[@non_da]

@@angamaitesangahyando685 If you don't like economic disruption in an RTS that's fine. But I really like it, even if it can be frustrating at times. I agree though that SC2 workers are bad. I prefer the workers of classic RTS because they are fewer and easier to protect. Imo it's a huge element of the game. How many workers you have, where they are, how you protect them, how you utilize them is an important part of the game. It's hard to balance though because in SC2, for example, you had things like blue flame hellions and that flying oracle thing from Protoss in the later stages. Yes it was just too easy. But removing it altogether is a mistake. Here's some ideas to making workers more resilient and micro intensive: Give them a reactive shield so they cannot be instantly killed and you are warned. Give them an ability to hide/attack. Make them tankier when they're the process of 'mining'. These are all things that can be done. Warcraft 3 did a great job in this regard. The wisp could self-detonate and drain mana, damage summons, and dispell buffs. The Orc could hide in a burrow and turn it into an attacking structure. Human worker could turn into a 'Militia' for a short period of time which made them stronger and tankier.

[@MichaelMantion]

I think the trick to this game is to, Not play it, Not watch people playing it, Its hot trash and zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[@MrGwaih1r]

This is the biggest ripoff out of Starcraft and Warcraft 3 I have ever seen. Its so blatant you shouldnt support this game.

[@AscentArt]

I must say that unfortunately, this looks really boring lol

[@TheDacman88]

looks great can't wait to try a rts that a low level biased sc2 gm created!

[@ClickDecision]

What bias are you concerned about? Also being a gm should add to credibility if anything. Not sure why you're framing it as a negative

[@TheDacman88]

@@ClickDecision low level gms. He's 5.3 at best. Where is the input from at least 6k players? Given that everyone knows stormgate is coming out, it just feels forced and pathetic that a "gm" (lowest of gm by the way) would even attempt to put out a rts. Epitome of grasping at straws

[@ClickDecision]

@TheDacman88 every rts you've enjoyed was created by those who likely were not anyone near the level of gm to begin with

[@ClickDecision]

@TheDacman88 additional input would be nice but for all you know they did reach out to other high level players

[@TheDacman88]

@@ClickDecision yikes let's catz who is literally on the same level of avilo create your future rts games then. Sad and pathetic. I made a rts game exactly like sc durrrrrrr! Catz is literally trying soooo hard to be relevant in a game she was never relevant to begin with lol

[@yGKeKe]

Don't want to shit on a game I haven't played but...This game looks god awful. This game looks like objective trash from top to bottom. Everything about it is off. The camera angle, the UI, the resource system, the neutral objectives, the XP system, visual clarity, audio...all of it. It all looks/sounds trash. It looks extremely unresponsive too. There's a pretty big delay between projectiles landing and damage being done too, which suggests that the codebase full of absolute garbage, unoptimized algorithms. If this is being made by Scarlett etc, than this is nothing but a perfect example of why developers should never listen to players when it comes to game design. Hopefully this is just an EARLY alpha version.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

Do you like StormGate better then? As to all the systems - the mercs, heroes and XP are what hype me up about ZeroSpace, it's actually different from SC2. - Adûnâi

[@student76543]

Pre-Alpha in fact.

[@runningmashup]

I think Stomgate should unite to this RTS so we can have the next Gen RTS. We have already Vanguard, infernals and now more howany races zerospace has? the game is complete. 😂😂

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

Wish you'd played Grey Goo.

[@ArtosisTV]

I did. It was one of the worst games I've ever played.

[@kizzagaming6523]

@@ArtosisTV Haha, I liked it until I realized artillery splash damage was completely bull and the pathing was so bad.

[@BotRetro]

Oh, Grey Goo was a poor RTS. Played it in LAN a little. Poorly designed factions and Super units didn't help it at all....

[@aaronliang9030]

first

[@ericwaffles2928]

"It says neutralizing... and I don't know exactly what that is. So you should try to do that." -Arty lol I am so hype for this game. My crew n I got in to WC3 at jump street and really loved it, but I just couldn't hang on cause SC was just better imo. They always wanted me to play WC3 with them when that was on the menu for the night but I never wanted to cause while I love WC and WC3, I just cant STAND the pacing of the game. It is literal RTS insanity and dementia for me when you realize that it takes anywhere from 55-112 attacks to kill a tier 1 unit. That's insanity. Not that I think anyone is wrong for liking it, it's just a different take on the formula. Obviously I understand the development intention and idea and style. I just DESPISE it. It's RTS brain damage to me. I am not a chad or anything, I just prefer a faster paced game when it comes to RTS. Like SC. So coming full circle, I always told my homies that I wish SC and WC3 would have a drunk one night stand gross sex and never talk to each other again baby. WC3 but with the pacing and ideologies of SC. Basically WC3 built inside SC. If that makes sense. SC but with heroes and creeping and items and tons of casters or atleast castable abilities, more buildings for random shit, etc etc. AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE THAT DRUNK ONE NIGHT STAND GROSS SEX AND NEVER TALK TO EACH OTHER AGAIN BABY. And its name? ZeroSpace (atleast I'm hoping it is!)... (LOVE YOU ARTYlol)... (NEVER CHANGE)

[@michelvandeweetering4450]

labelling NoRegret as a former pro gamer is really generous. his accomplishments are neglible.

[@pointlessmanatee]

it looks like sc2 and anything that isn't bw doesn't interest me in rts genre

[@rossdixonellis]

Seems kinda cool. The music is too repetitive, the style and instrument palette is not bad, but it just needs to modulate, key change, or do something that'll keep listeners engaged. It's too boring. I click around the video and all I hear is that little 3 note cancer piano line, hahaha. They should take inspiration from Protoss theme 4 with how it introduces new themes, and take some bold rhythmic and melodic chances with the different stages of war.

[@demetriousramirez]

Game is still 2 years out, the music is all placeholders for now

[@Chris-liwymi]

Dead game

[@bigmikeobama5314]

this looks like an attempt to clone sc2 as accurately as possible without being taken to court for copyright infringement. same lame cartoony graphics, its a strategy war game with neon cartoon colors and parts of the map itself look like they are using sc2 assets and everything. yawn.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

No idea why everyone is so gloomy in these comments. I thought StormGate was going to destroy the RTS genre, but ZeroSpace has come to save it. Heroes, merc sub-factions, creeps, XP, call-down abilities - all sound super hype and bold to me. The only thing that worries me is that it's going to be NOT free to play. - Adûnâi

[@whitneysmiltank]

Looks like almost every unit is an a-click unit, this just seems like another sc2 a-click cringe fest tbh

[@pureos4372]

I wasn't really impressed by any aspect of it really. The future looks bleak for RTS fans.

[@jirihutecka9020]

Heh it is like watching some fake starcraft from China.. I mean why would you play this game when you can play the best RTS ever made which is starcraft...