My first impressions of Ableton Live 12

[@OscarUnderdog]

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[@chambre466]

Yes, cool update. Latency issues solved is by far for me the biggest improvement

[@arseniharkunou5905]

Hi, please let me know what you mean by “latency issue solved”. I’ve upgraded and still see latency, which is driving me nuts. Maybe I’m missing something

[@chambre466]

avec des intrus externes@@arseniharkunou5905

[@f3rny_66]

@@arseniharkunou5905From the release notes: A Keep Monitoring Latency in Recorded Audio option has been added to the [right-click](Win) / [CTRL-click](Mac) context menu of the Monitor radio buttons for each track. This option is enabled by default, but when unchecked, recordings will have the same latency as if recorded with monitoring set to Off, regardless of which monitoring mode is selected.

[@glopgar]

@@arseniharkunou5905there is always latency when monitoring but it is possible to record without it. In any version.

[@rez9159]

Ableton didn't changed how latency compensation works. This means the GUI still isn't compensated, Plugin latency compensation works fine as always, but the host transport information the plugins receive is still not compensated at all, means time based actions of devices that syncing to transport won't be compensated which is a problem when placed after stuff like a linear phase EQ etc. So unlike many people believe there aren't latency issues in the sense of flawed programming, but in design decisions and lacking options to change that behavior.

[@PulzarTZ]

Hey Oscar! Off topic here but wanted to let you know that I learned more about music production from you here than from almost all other youtube content combined. Wonderful personality, good focus points, great delivery! Thanks and keep it up!

[@Dynacat]

Oscar, thank you so much for what you're doing! You are still my number 1 channel when it's about electronic music production and I recommend this channel to everyone who want to start or enhance their productions. Another thing is, you've been a huge inspiration for me to start doing my own stuff. Love your vibe, cheers

[@OscarUnderdog]

So nice to read! 💙

[@mrpreskovik]

I feel your disappointment concerning the Arpeggiator that still does not include a step sequencer like mode. But don’t forget, that if you’ve bought Live Suite, you have the Max for Live essentials pack for free. And this pack contains an alternate ARP device that works the way you’re looking for.

[@OscarUnderdog]

You know I didn’t even know that! 😁

[@ShoShoUK85]

What's this arp called? Be great to try it out

[@mrpreskovik]

@@ShoShoUK85 It is simply called "Arp". It's part of the Max for Live Essentials pack.

[@viviansutherland2169]

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[@mrpreskovik]

It is simply called "Arp". It's part of the Max for Live Essentials pack available at Ableton.

[@Italliving]

Something Nice 😉 Orange is the sun when the curtains are closed, Bright is the light when the curtains are open , keep it light 🙂

[@jefefpv1695]

I have been using Ableton Live since version 9. I absolutely love 12.

[@dman030]

Nice one, quick intro to what's new. There is a kind of new sequencer, in the midi generators and it's called "Shape". You clicked on it for a second. I plan to learn the tunings more next, curious what you would do with them. :-)

[@peterlassis2156]

I really think Ableton should make a shortcut to edit values in automation. Now you have to right click and choose "edit value" from the menu.

[@rez9159]

I think we don't even need a shortcut, they could just temporarily hijack the focus when the mouse is hovering above the automation point for the time the value is displayed, so you can directly type in the value like it is possible everywhere else in Live for click- and editable stuff with a permanent value display, like encoders etc. If you have a Stream Deck you can easily add a multi action to a button: right click, down, left click.

[@peterlassis2156]

@@rez9159 Would be great. How hard can it be.. I don't think I'm the only one missing this feature.

[@lykkewass2291]

Didn't know about momentary latching until now :) Thanks !

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Learned some new stuff here Thanks man!! Momentary latching feature .. never seen that before in there or in a vid

[@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxw]

That's the beauty of reading the documentation of a product

[@PanopticMotion]

Could you give us a tour of a 100-track project one day? It's the stuff of legends and myths for those who create music but aren't professionals. :)

[@shawnmcandrew6923]

I love it other then the missing scroll bars on windows.

[@Vibeurator]

with sound similarities they made my money used on "XO" wasted XD

[@AdamNoya]

The midi splitting and lower mix window are logic features that they've had for like 17 years. Thank god lol I've wanted these features so badly and now they're here 👏🏼

[@linzenmeyer]

I don't know about "Cthulhu Killer", even if it did let you activate/deactivate positions. Cthulhu has so much more than JUST Arp sequencing. It has Random select, Octave, pitch and gate that are SUPER powerful for unique sequencing plus 12 pages for variations that can also be controlled via automation, on top of that, Rate, swing and Gate along with the aforementioned options are all "Page" independant. For $40 bucks, I don't think there will ever be a "Cthulhu Killer"...or, at least you will be REALLY hard up to defeat it.

[@Bangers_mostly]

Oscar makes the Mondays better!

[@rafschoenaers3013]

about the arpeggiator: did you know that you can assign a clip to a range of keys of your midi controller and the clip will follow the pitch as you play the keyboard? this makes Ableton itself the ultimate arpeggiator IMO. Greetings

[@djttster]

Hi Oscar! Good vid! I myself installed 12 and never looked back! Perfect upgrade! Did you know there are shortcuts for heigth and width? Just use h and w.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Nice

[@rez9159]

I strongly recommend to use the latest beta, Ableton added / brought back very useful stuff like hiding the track I/O in arrangement view without menu diving and hiding clip and device view together instead of individually. Grouping plugins per developer to access them in a folder view is also possible again. Generally i like the upgrade but i still missing stuff like a latency compensated GUI and also a compensated host transport information so that stuff like LFO Tool, Volume Shaper etc. is usable after latency introducing plugins without workarounds like manual sample offset or midi trigger. My second concern is the tag system. A tag system in general is a good idea, the implementation is inconsistent.

[@jutjup4731]

Lol felt you when you opened the arpeggiator 😂

[@sebastiennesp1978]

Best review of Live 12 I've seen, well done! (Of course I did the pre-release purchase thing...) I get fed up with the on line Whingers, always criticizing Ableton. HEY FOLKS, US OLD GITS HAD TO USE STEINBERG PRO 24. The concept of the 'DAW' did not exist. Still managed to be creative!

[@stefankatic1337]

Oof that track sounds big! Can’t wait for the new videos, maybe some raw hypnotic techno with those new sequencing options, and using new plugins :) I saw a pretty crazy sound design session with Echo noise + Roar distortion, maybe something like that too.

[@tylerfetherston3208]

we've been waiting for this video

[@blakecasimir]

But still no desktop Linux version. Yes there is demand for this and Ableton should make this happen.

[@MARCUSSOUNDS]

I wanna see your reaction when you try roar! 😊

[@bornprojects]

Hi Oscar, I was about to purchase your beginners course and saw the update on 12. Does this mean you'll do a new course with Ableton 12? Should we wait?

[@OscarUnderdog]

Nah no need to wait! Live 12 is nice but the fundamentals if musicmaking stay the same ☺️ I’ll probably only update the course in a year or two when I’m really ready to take it in a new direction.

[@JeremiahTrue]

I haven’t used Abelton in several versions but this looks really impressive. As a Reason user, these QOL improvements would be so, so welcome.

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

Does reason have a light version so you can try it out?

[@bigfarma6757]

Reason’s user interface is so much nicer to look at compared to Ableton . I wish Ableton would change their interface . As practical as it is , it’s like they decided to completely ignore aesthetics.

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

@@bigfarma6757 yeah they did and openly admit it because the have put all their efforts into how it works. I prefer that to be honest.

[@palumbotracks9925]

1:33 broo I realized the same thing and I love that it can be seen to if

[@dietermessiaen4721]

haha love your comment by the new ARPIG VIEW, dammmm by the skin color switch in purple STRIKE here 😂

[@DmitryPuffin]

Meld & Roar plugins worth the upgrade price. Performance pack by iftaah is a game changer for people who use Ableton Live in actual live setting. It's a solid upgrade. 10>11 leap wasn't so big as 11>12.

[@Hankb1988]

Hey Oscar will you be doing your courses in 12? I’m thinking of getting 12 but also doing your course which I believe is on 11. Would it better to do your courses in 11?

[@OscarUnderdog]

Everything in the course still applies ☺️ so I wont be re-filming it any time soon just for Live 12, I’ll only update the course once I really have new concepts I think it needs to have. I would say go ahead! In the worst case scenario, I always refund no questions asked :)

[@abrahamrios6503]

Sir, great video. I have a few unfished trax. I have been using Abelton since version 3. I keep upgrading and now have 12. I have not done anything since version 9. I need to get back into it. I want to start taking your courses, but I am hoping you come out with a full tutorial on 12. I will sign up for that as soon it comes out if you plan to do so.

[@synthseeker]

The changes to the arp were intended to make it more useful via the Push I believe. ;)

[@JayM928]

Thinking about switching to studio one just for arranger track and scratch pad. These are the two biggest sources of chaos in my ableton tracks. Just not sure about what I’ll lose out on if I switch.

[@Phazze_music]

I Had a lot of issues with 11 on win 11 especially, it was nightmare - crashes like every 20 minutes.. but now with ableton 12 everything is working like a dream ! Amazing update but no revolution

[@LyroLife]

I wish Ableton had a much better visibility. I always have trouble reading the text and seeing lines between bars and stuff. Tried all the contrast settings and themes. Even GarageBand looks so much better and clearer. I bought the suit but i kinda wanna use Logic Pro instead.

[@worldview3182]

I wanna get it but I’m afraid all my abelton 11 projects are gonna be altered or messed up if I upgrade !! Does anybody have experience with updating abelton ? I’ve only had 11

[@OscarUnderdog]

You keep 11 installed and install 12 alongside it! That way you can use 11 for the projects youre still working on, but new projects start in 12!

[@frascar]

I donno, there is still some work to do in getting the 11 version playable. Cannot be possible to reload the same project just for vst crashing. In the 12 version they did not improved either the live performance stuff neither the stability as they did in bitwig with giving the opportunity to unplug the vst that is causing issues

[@nachodiaz4837]

Oscar, the 303 sequencer is the most overwhelming and unintuitive sequencer one can find around! I'm completely with you on the cool addition that a step sequencer would be for ableton live's toolkit but at the same time; I think it's also a little bit daunting for a beginner to interact with MIDI notes outside the actual piano roll too. lovely video as always and thanks for taking the time to share your first take with us!

[@OscarUnderdog]

Hehe you’re right, I regret mentioning the 303 specifically hehe. I was thinking more like, monophonic step sequencers and maybe xox sequencers, might have been more correct.👍

[@marcellkovacs5452]

I hope the Ableton developers watch this, this kind of excitement from the end user is the best thing you can get (even better than your salary IMO)

[@Positive_Tea]

I like it. Takes a little getting use to, but that's true with any good update

[@ssbossyt]

Waiting for the second Full video🌪️🌪️🌪️

[@friendwithin]

There is an option to show scroll bars in preferences.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Good to know, I didn't immediately find it :) I find it's not a problem with a mac trackpad, but I remember using windows computers and scrolling around felt a lot more awkward.

[@viviansutherland2169]

Also agree wish there was a native step sequencer!!!!!

[@schubert5624]

Good stuff, I am 100% stealing "quality of life" as my own :) Thank you for the video.

[@harry2house536]

Congrats on the update, live users now know what Studio One has since version 3 and now is on 6.5😊

[@NickWendelsGuitarLessons]

I wish timecoding was better in Ableton. If I have a film job I have hard time make it exact 2:00 and composing on frames is impossible.

[@palumbotracks9925]

2:10 How do you turn the volume up and down?

[@wuzzle67]

Do note that on windows 12 now requires a CPU that supports AVX2 instruction set. Most people won't be affected by this, but for instance, CPU's that are older than a 5th generation i5 will crash and 12 will not load. Ever. They note this on support site now. This is now an issue with Adobe Premiere/AfterEffects, as well as Maxon Cinema 4D 2024/Redshift. Time for an upgrade.

[@baspostulart]

I don’t really get your point with the absence of a build-in step sequencer. The piano roll is incredibly improved, simplified and advanced at the same time. It is still a daw , music development software. Not a box of ‘ my first Sony’

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

I will have to wait until I get a new Mac before I can use it because my Mac is not up-to-date to run this but I'm not in no rush plus by then people will have put it through it's paces and ironed out any bugs if there is any. Until then don't leave us who still use 11 behind.

[@PHOENIX-fb1cf]

I discovered your and channel and really very interesting. Thank you for sharing and your report. When you say that 100 tracks with Live, that sounds like a dream. I have a 13th generation i7 and 64 gigs of RAM and with 6 tracks it cracks everywhere. When you talk about 100 tracks (these are audio tracks, not midi tracks?), I suppose that this is a project where there must have been massive freezes of midi audio tracks? I am totally disappointed by the management of live's CPU resources, for my part a real disaster. I would really like to have your objective opinion if you wish on this famous CPU resources of Live 11/12. The CPU load is the same or is it really better managed on Live 12? Many thanks in advance for your response.

[@OscarUnderdog]

Hi! I'm a bit surprised that 6 tracks causes stress on your CPU - that really shouldn't be the case and sounds maybe like your buffer size is set incredibly low? Or some other issue of your audio card driver? What interface are you using? Because that's not the typical experience, even in live 11, even on a windows intel CPU. My use case is that I'm on a macbook pro m1, and this is definitely the smoothest experience I've ever had of the DAW, it doesn't lag and maxing out the CPU is pretty much unheard of. I was working on a 200 track project on Live 11, and there it was getting a bit laggy. I do bounce things to audio regularly, and I'm aware of which are the heaviest CPU drain plugins, but it's not nearly as cumbersome as what you describe...

[@PHOENIX-fb1cf]

Thank you very much for your answer. I don't understand anything about it either. My PC is optimized for PC. 512 stamps. Arturia Audiofuse 16 Rig. This result really worries me. It is true that I use vst which consumes CPU, but still. I mainly use (Omnisphere 2, Trilian, U-he, Gforce, Pigment and V collection, Avenger). But still 6 tracks is really astonishing and surprising, even with CPU-heavy VST. I even wondered if I should invest in a Mac Studio M2 Ultra. Apparently, without getting into the Mac / PC debate, Mac is more stable, better CPU load management. Which could be explained by the more defined components with a Mac.

[@OscarUnderdog]

@@PHOENIX-fb1cf yeah I was windows my whole life and switched to mac 2 years ago, and I kinda regret not switching earlier - there's a lot less worrying about settings etc, everything has been much smoother. I used to be so anti-mac, it's a funny feeling to have transitioned :) but yeah you don't need a maxed out rig to just run some VSTs.

[@PHOENIX-fb1cf]

Many thanks for your response. I think I'll move to Mac too. For Mao only and to be really quiet with big vst projects (100 vst instrument tracks). I was thinking about a Mac Studio M2 Max. Would the Mac Mini M2 pro be sufficient or would it be better to take the Mac Studio M2 Max anyway? Thanks again for your reply.

[@OscarUnderdog]

@@PHOENIX-fb1cf I don't really feel qualified to answer that I'm afraid, as I have no affiliation with mac or ableton. All I can say is my M1 feels very powerful and I'm never getting blocked while producing :)

[@Blofehlt]

There‘s a ton of cool m4l sequencers out there tho

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

12 is a amazing update

[@user-io4hd8vc6p]

With this similarity search we don't need XO by XLN Audio anymore)

[@lewisthomas457]

Hi mate, im brand new to learning music production. I bought ableton 11 at a discount just before 12 came out and i can upgrade to 12 for free. Am i better off starting with 11 or 12 to begin with? Im not sure but im guessing there would be more information and videos on ableton 11 at the moment to get started with music production? or does the interface look alot different if u change over? Please give me advice. Thank you

[@OscarUnderdog]

Heya! Honestly I'd say just go all-in on Live 12. All tutorials about Live 11 still apply, they just added more features, they took away basically nothing. That's my advice anyway :)

[@lewisthomas457]

Thank you mate. I didn't see a notification so late seeing this. Thank you for the reply. I'll download 12

[@SteveOrton-p9v]

Very good video! Thank you : )

[@marcosrotllan]

Just bought an m2 air to use with live 12 for the following 8 years.

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

What did that cost you? I need to update my Mac if I want to use 12 but weighing up the pro's and con's weather or not just to sell my licence and try a different DAW.

[@marcosrotllan]

A brand new m2 16gb 512 sssd 1700e, cheaper since the m3air entered the game.

[@DrMaboule]

Thank u !

[@jn1346]

Still no hide tracks ?

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

7:05 I guess wait till Ableton 13 😋

[@sivisvitamparamortem]

Main reason for me upgrading - stability.

[@Bystvor]

It was interesting to find out, that ableton 12 does not support my processor. But it looks gorgeous. ♥

[@adv8nturenick]

What processor do you have?

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

Same here, and I was gutted when I found out but I'm still happy with 11. Unfortunately I am half way through paying up a electric drum kit before I can even start getting the cash together for a more up-to-date Mac.

[@DJminiLibra]

i have ableton 12, but bitwig is my fav

[@chema__gonzalez__]

something nice to me

[@LA-cc6sy]

Didn't 11 just come out?

[@thomaselers7416]

Everybody loves Cubase.

[@DomNom69]

Honestly the piano roll is so unsatisfying as a sequencer they really need an alternate view or something. Either that or they just figure people will just buy a push to get that sequencer feel

[@magnuseriksson8081]

just seeing the interface makes me feel, nooooooo!!!!

[@xzchc]

Something nice. ;)

[@ergkj]

That’s Ableton for ya. Cool complex cutting edge in some ways. Garbage in others.

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

They have alienated most of the users on Mac because now I and others will have to buy a new computer just to use it. Think I might look elsewhere Ableton.

[@cMaXeJIJIo]

You should look elsewhere than mac! 😂

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

@@cMaXeJIJIo why? Everyone I work with use Mac, no driver updates that usually cause even more problems than what they solve and every Mac I have had, I've never had any problems with.

[@NNokia-jz6jb]

Is this better than Cakewalk?

[@Paradroidx]

Yeah wait till you get to the browser and tagging, its a bit of an overload. The only thing i like is the mixer view.

[@TheFeanrir]

🎉❤

[@akira20ish]

I just have lite lol

[@adv8nturenick]

Sorry but the 303 was not easy to use.

[@axon-konstrukt.4933]

In my opinion Ableton is at this point far behind FL-Studio. The implementation of their own cloudservice/sample-bib. and AI-stemsplitting, as well as the mastering and distribution-options in the latest update, makes it a more rounded package for beginners and is peak on time. Also on FL you have livetime free updates - did i understand right you have to pay for updateing your Ableton?

[@OscarUnderdog]

Indeed ableton upgrades are paid! FL studio seems to be doing very well indeed, but havent had a chance to investigate and i wouldn’t consider switching myself now :) but if i was just starting out now, might have gone FL instead!

[@Positive_Tea]

Yep we pay for Live updates. I still think Live has an edge over FL with the Max devices. The cloud and the AI stems are nice but you can easily do both with 3rd party platforms. Like you said, FL is great for beginners (I started with Fruity Loops in 1999 lmao).

[@adv8nturenick]

@@Positive_Teathat was a very different FL back then 😂

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

I think that once you pick a daw it's hard to swap, I've been with them since 4 and I tried others but because I know where everything is. I just like a daw to make music on everything after that process is secondary and I don't even need to rush anything out right away.

[@jpallatin]

No way. You see way too much people switching from Fruity Loops to Ableton Live nowadays, very rarely the other way around. Ableton Live is an upgrade at every aspect. Only thing I’m missing from my old days (12 years) in Fruity Loops is the step sequencer.

[@jaco1368]

Ableton finally put in DAW what was in M4L devices for ages so they can charge us extra like they charge for their shitty controller. Ableton is the new Apple in music industry.

[@ohcibi]

"Ableton Live 12 where have you been all my life?" - Its called Bitwig and looks similar to ableton.

[@karlstenator]

My first impression of Ableton Live 12 was "I don't want to update my i7 2600K and may I kindly have a refund please?".

[@danhectic5629]

i'll stick with 8 intro til i get a less than 15 year old PC.

[@NNokia-jz6jb]

Best tracks are made with minimal gear. 😊

[@danhectic5629]

@@NNokia-jz6jb my favorite synths are Korg DS-10 (gameboy DS) and Synth1 (free) hehe

[@NNokia-jz6jb]

@@danhectic5629 enough.

[@maxb4057]

$220 update fee for those add-ons ? they're milking customers ..ridiculous..other DAWS had those features for years (Logic Pro, Cubase).. nothing unique or new..sound similarity rip off from XO ... mixer window with arrangement ? man , Ableton is just another Behringer

[@andytuke8986]

It's still very grey, and the UI looks very dated these days

[@Andrew-rz7qt]

It's not about how it looks though, it about how it works. Garage band looks great but it's a pig to use.

[@danatello8489]

Ableton hater here. Just stopped by to see if this was the update to finally end the Windows 95 design style of Ableton. Maybe one day y'all will get a DAW that's functional AND doesn't look like it was designed in DOS.

[@BelgianBilly]

Honest! I like it

[@karlstenator]

Recommendations for those of us who can't upgrade due to AVX2?

[@danatello8489]

@@karlstenator FL Studio. Or maybe the new Sonar (old one was good for sure) 😂

[@Artek604]

You avoided the beta and any info, but instead decided to do the first reaction while high and/or drunk??? "Nice".

[@PORRFNK]

Microtuning?