My Haas VF2SSYT - Review & Why I Bought It

This was originally just a first draft..but i've been so busy i decided to just let it fly! Hope you guys enjoy.
Cheers,
Jason

[@SimjetAU]

I love your honesty in your thinking and comments. That is what everyone wants to hear...the good the bad and the ugly. HAAS would do well to listen to your unbiased comments

[@i.parkinson7822]

I don’t comment often, but I have to say that I truly enjoy your content. I’ve found myself watching more and more of your videos and it was your open and honest critique of tormach that saved me from purchasing one. Great videos- great job- thank you.

[@TAWPTool]

Congrats on the new machine! I remember you said once that the VF2 would be easier than the Mini Mill to video your projects. Yes! I hope the back is feeling better and doing well. Thanks for taking us along for this awesome purchase!

[@ninthm00n]

You are doing a great service helping others who may be on a trajectory to grow with cnc. Keep up the good work Sir

[@moonryder203]

Awesome!😄 Congrats on your new Hass machine! We just got a Hass in my job about 4 months ago and it's been awesome! We got a UMC750SS and we really like it! Hass has come a long way. They are just a dream to use, so user friendly. 😁

[@paulanthony873]

love your honesty in your thinking and comments

[@richhuntsd12]

Enjoyed your video. You can't go to far wrong with your Haas. I have been running them since 1998 and I just sold my 1998 VF-3 and got pretty good money for it. They hold their value pretty good as long as you don't thrash it. I believe you will really like the machine after using for a while

[@BrilliantDesignOnline]

Excellent, excellent discussion! Really liked to hear the cons, also. Hope Haas is listening; hats and magnets are ridiculous. Silky handwheel and SS way covers are what we want! and crash free macros...

[@roylucas1027]

A very fair review and important insights. Thank you.

[@bbarker5766]

I have ran many different CNC machines from different manufacturers and the Haas have always been the easiest to work with and figure out for CAM or conversational than others like Funic or Mazatrol, etc... Every machine has it's quirks and what not but the main ability of a machine is limited by the programmer/machinists ability to write code for their projects, tooling, and materials. Loved your approach and well thought out purchases and reasoning.

[@wagglebutt]

Totally with you on the customer experience part. I bought an SMM2 last year and right out of the box the network protocol wouldn't work with Microsoft. There was a software update available when the machine shipped that addressed the problem, but nobody bothered. My distributor seemed confused that I would be upset by that, and that it took a week and 3 calls to even get an update scheduled. They should have been tripping over themselves to fix it. It's a purchased feature that didn't work.

[@bwilliams1815]

Thanks for your honesty. Fair review.

[@steinarne79]

Its the small details for me as well. My local school has a VF2. Feels very good but when i got invited to a factory a few hrs from here and got to just witness a mazak VNC 530, its another dimension. Yes, 50% more on the pricetag, but its well worth it in my book

[@portblock]

Congrats on the VF2. Since you already had the mini mill, another Haas would have been my recommendation (not that mine matters, lol) as you are already familiar with the brand and controller. You could almost just put a program in either machine and it will work. You once mentioned buying into the eco system, and thats another reason I think you made a good choice. Dont worry about some people telling you what they would have bought, they arent you and your workflow. honestly, you rock, you have come so far in such little time, you dont work at a shop and saying what your shop bought, this is your achievements!! That being said, I would have went with the doosan because I am more comfortable on them and I am already familiar with the controller. For the controller, I like knobs and switches. One of our programmers likes to program everything 100inch/min, then use the feed override to find the sweet spots for each cut, 30% override means 30inch/min :) When you have a shop with different controllers, life gets confusing and you forget things. This is a big reason I think you made the right choice for your shop. I actually led the basic operations project to have startup/tool/shutdown, etc procedure manual attached to every machine in our shop. Fanuc was on most of our machines but some of the others didnt. Our makino, doosan, and a few others had fanuc. For me, and this is me and any job shop I consult for is to make the controller a higher priority - manufacturing is a little different, as the machine pretty much only makes the same parts forever. - my point, dont discount support because a fanuc user of machine x can help a fanuc user of machine y ok, im starting to sound like a fanuc fan boy, lol How is the syil treating you? i've been looking at one to dedicate to make one of our small parts. Keep up the good work, continue to grow, with you much success.

[@NerdlyCNC]

Hi Michael, thanks for the input....the syil is good....i havent been using it since it doesnt have probing / tool setting...but all in all it has been solid.

[@timhalcomb4041]

Appreciate you sharing this video and the information you have a blessed day

[@fryer05maverick31]

Funny you mentioned the Faceplate on the controller. I have 2004,2010,2012., 2015 all have stainless. Now the two VF3ss 2019 have the cheap looking aluminum face. I pointed that out to the install tech when set up them up. I was WTF! Did some bean counter cut some pennies out of the cost or what?

[@DCT_Aaron_Engineering]

Hey Jason. Congratulations on the new machine. I agree, bang for buck, ease of use, and after sales service and support you can’t beat a Haas 👍

[@85CEKR]

I don't know, we purchased an okuma M560 a few years back, we were also looking at a Haas VM3. We actually paid 10 grand less for the okuma with the same options and in my opinion got a far superior machine (even the Haas salesman said so after he saw it cutting some 4140 HT a few months later) as for service I think that just depends on where you are, in our area haas has a bed reputation for that.

[@NerdlyCNC]

@@John-ik2eg i hear this complaint alot. I guess i'm lucky to have Machining Time Savers as a HFO

[@DCT_Aaron_Engineering]

@@85CEKR Hi Craig. I think Jason hit the nail on the head. Entry level Haas is very well priced. But when you start adding extra's that's when the price increases and gets close to the Japanese machines. As for me, I will never purchase or promote Okuma. I got kicked out of the Okuma stand at our national show here in Melbourne Australia 2017 by the GM for filming. Yup taking footage to show my students and he kicks me out saying they could be machining sensitive work. Like it's a trade show with 1000's of people and they are machining sensitive parts. Like WTF! We have Haas machines at our high school, great machines for the kids to learn on and the support we receive from our HFO is amazing. Plus, one of my students from 2009 is now a Haas technician and recently trained in the USA. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. Enjoy your day and keep turning that spindle. Cheers, Aaron.

[@85CEKR]

@@DCT_Aaron_Engineering that is really weird, I've actually worked with okuma in our area to promote their machines. I do find them a bit odd, so people in the company want to do anything to promote their brand and others seem to want to keep their community an exclusive club. One thing I will say is your missing out if you've already decided to never buy Okuma. We've been buying them since 1996 and have only sold one(and I wish we still had it now). We've only had 3 repairs in 23 years and one was pre-emptive. We have more repairs in a year on the other "high-end" brands we've tried. And our 1996 machine still holds a half thou or better tolerances the same way it did back when we got it. Sorry don't mean to sound like a salesman I've just been unbelievably happy with them and feel like I need others to be as happy as I am lol

[@DCT_Aaron_Engineering]

@@85CEKR Hey Craig. Oh I agree with you. They are a fantastic machine. My good friend Peter (another Trade teacher) absolutely swears by Okuma and nearly bought a refurbished one for home use. As for me not buying one, I don't think it matters as I will never have the money. However, the way I was treated is why I will never support or promote them. They need to learn that customer service is a priority

[@mikerfbs9012]

I like my HAAS machines(VF3 and VF4SS) and feel the same as you,as for the stainless face and hand wheel they are making over 1000 machines a MONTH,blows my mind. I wonder if it is supply chain issues? All in all I think HAAS is best bang for the buck.

[@tophan5146]

I love your honesty

[@kestergascoyne6924]

Wow, what a review. Thank you.

[@SuperYellowsubmarin]

Very cool insight. Hope machine tool manufacturers read closely, because that's the kind of details that sells a machine when you are a jobshop owner, not crude specs.

[@Foomanlol]

I agree on the cost cutting nonsense. At some point the machines just start looking and feeling cheaper and makes you question the rest of the quality. They even made the the chip filter tray a damn $90 option, which probably costs them a few dollars from China. My impression of Doosan after going to IMTS is that they were no doubt going to be higher performance machines especially if machining tougher metals. They way 20% plus more for the same travel. However there is pretty much no online content about them. I don't think I have seen even one homeshop with a Doosan on youtube or something.

[@tinytruckclimbers2980]

Hey Jason I was wondering what post processor you use with solidworks CAM for your VF2? I just got my VF2SS but the post I am using seems weird. Thanks.

[@rafihussain]

Congratulations. You r growing. So can u make video of ur success story. I personally want to know how and what kind a part u ppl manufacture. How this business works. From customers to client and market. Etc .Thanks

[@MrMetalmaster1]

the stainless steel panel on the machines I ran made it hard to read the buttons with all of the glare

[@NONAMESLEFTNONE]

Isn't this something like four machines in one or two years now? It's been awesome watching you grow. I hope to do half as well. Keep it up.

[@Wyllie38]

I used to run a doosan mynx 7500/50. Such a powerful ridged machine. Work horse.

[@BhInsane]

Nerdly do you use Fusion 360? I am getting my VF2 YT with TR160 next week, and would appreciate info if and whitch Fusion 360 post works best :) Thank you for the videos, keep uip the good work!

[@marvinpitts8799]

Jason, I recently bought a HAAS ST15 lathe and I understand your frustration with the bean counters at HAAS they use to include a air pressure regulator, 4 tool blocks and a grease gun to lube the chuck. I spent 65K on a new lathe and then had to buy a $45.00 regulator! I already had a grease gun but the F@#!&% tool block kit cost $1400.00

[@NerdlyCNC]

yeah....now the charge $90 or so for the chip strainer on the mills.

[@jdaz5462]

My VF2 is a bit over a year old now and the errors in the macros are annoying. The most annoying is when the probe errors and you cannot jog the machine. You have to reboot the control and start over!

[@NerdlyCNC]

the new update fixes that

[@jdaz5462]

@@NerdlyCNC I need to give Ellison Machinery a call then. That's the HFO here in Arizona.

[@Hirudin]

Definitely not slummin'! ;) That machine was high up on my list when I was shopping... until I figured out it was too big for my car hole. PS except I was only looking at 3-axis

[@NerdlyCNC]

All in all..I'm very happy with this machine...I have now had the chance to see other machines in action...Doosan and Okuma take some heavy cuts....impressive but i still believe this was the right choice for me. :)

[@85CEKR]

Hey congratulations on the new machine, I gotta say though a vf2 fully decked out and an Okuma M460 base have pretty much all the same options, and the okuma is more than 3 times the machine. I'm sure you will be happy with your machine though, from what I've seen haas machine are good machines as long you you don't abuse them or push them too hard.

[@Gertvlog]

the swag stuff i totaling get that.. i have got more stuff being interested in a machine thru others and got more then i did buying a mini mill. pretty crazy to me

[@stevenrichardson7882]

Short of nothing to say 👍 Say it as it is and clear as daylight 👍

[@miserytube]

This is great. First video I saw was “my tormach sucka”. Second was “I bought a mini mill, which I bought a VF2”, at which the end I thought “I bet he swaps it out later”

[@NerdlyCNC]

actually for now my machines are doing their jobs pretty well...thanks for watching

[@avelkm]

Same here:)))

[@thomass.knutsen2487]

What happened to the Syil machine you got?

[@Bigblockfooter]

Is your controller touch screen ? Just ordered a new VF2 and it’s touchscreen liked Jay Pearson’s UMC500. If so on yours, how do you like it ?

[@lostdirtknifeandtool]

I have it on my Mini Mill 2. I mostly done use it, but it’s on. More intuitive to use the buttons once you get the hang of them.

[@tinytruckclimbers2980]

Hey Jason. Thanks for sharing your experience. I Watched all your super mini mill videos and you said you would not have bought that machine in hindsight. Now you have a VF2SSYT. Could you elaborate on your reasoning behind this? Also what options would you say are a must? I am doing production an old 1100 tormach (NO enclosure/ ATC/ power draw bar, etc.) And it is killing me. Basically manual machining I have to baby sit the thing. I want to be able to run it and leave it for hours. I am researching machine everyday and the super mini mill seems like it can do everything I want with expansion for the future. Thanks. I appreciate your insight.

[@NerdlyCNC]

i'll make a short vid later today....the SM2 is a great machine. just wasnt the perfect choice for my business.. we still have the SM2 and like it

[@jenspetersen5865]

I was given the advise from our local Haas dealer that if in doubt buy the largest most rigid machine you can for your budget if you are in doubt between ex a loaded VF2 and a basic VF4, as you have an easy upgrade window of at least ten years, but you cannot upgrade the work surface.

[@claudiugalea3038]

Really Like your vids💪Could you show us a bit some of the parts you make? You Machine your own products?

[@greenbuttonpusher_hc6453]

posts... looking for a Haas/Hypermill one . Would be fun, 15k software vs 1k home Machine :) have temporary access to hypermill, sadly only Heidenhain post.. learning the real stuff on a dmg 5x pretty awesome :) (also there few minor issues with the software)

[@tinytruckclimbers2980]

Hey Jason. It looks like I am going to get approved by MTS for a new machine. Unfortunately I think I can only fit a SMM2 instead of the VF2YT. I was wondering if you have the HSM option? MTS is really recommending I get it but I don't really think I need it. Do you have any thoughts on it? Thanks.

[@NerdlyCNC]

Tiny Truck Climbers I don’t have it yet. But the machine comes with a 200 hour trial that can be enabled and disabled each time you run a program.

[@tinytruckclimbers2980]

@@NerdlyCNC sounds like its not imperative when starting out. I'll stick with probing, chip auger, wifi camera, TSC ready. Thanks! Also what brand tool holders did you go with? Sorry for all the questions.

[@turda4u]

Hey Nerdly love your videos. Just bought a VF2SS for my home it’s being delivered on Aug 2. I ordered everything that had to be installed at the factory and held off on items I could add later except I opted for the single auger. When I questioned the salesman about the multi auger system he tells me he has sold 1000 of these and only 3 had the multi auger basically steering me away from it. Now I’m in a bit of a funk because I should have went with it. They tell me it’s to late to add it that it’s already wrapped up and awaiting delivery. My thought is the mill was screwed together it must come apart and could be added if I found I needed it down the road. From now using yours do you feel it is a better system then the single? Second do you think a guy could add it on his own later from looking at your machine and how it’s assembled? Thanks in advance, Eric

[@pbrenneman5]

Having used the single augers quite a bit, Id say it really depends what kind of work you're doing. For the type of detail mold building I was doing, the single auger could more than keep up. If I were buying my first machine for home, I'd forgo it and if 6 months to a year down the line if my business is booming and I need ore capability than the cost to upgrade the machine or even buy a new machine would be easy. Its good you went with the single auger though, without that you can't really leave the machine to run a longer program since the coolant drain would get clogged with chips and starve the pump.

[@turda4u]

Paul Brenneman Thanks Paul, that makes sense. At this point I’m not sure where this machining adventure will take me and what jobs I will end up doing. I’m a full time pilot now and this will be side work and an off ramp from aviation when I retire. I’ve got several people who say they already have jobs for me some production parts but we will see it that actually happens. Till I get proficient it’s a hobby machine but that being said I always like to buy overkill. As far as upgrading they tell me the multi auger is only an option added at the factory when built so it would be another machine unless there is a way for me to get the parts and do it myself. Thanks Paul, Eric

[@joshtryon1107]

Did you consider a VM3 when buying? I'm looking right now and it seems like the VM3 comes with most of the goodies, plus more rigidity and thermal stability. Curious about your thoughts.

[@NerdlyCNC]

we looked at a VM2..the 3 was a little big for the space we had. VM3 is actually on a larger casting...like a VF5 or something. I talked to a guy that has a VM3 and a VF2SS and he says he cant see a difference in surface finish between the two.. It all depends on what your trying to accomplish

[@joshtryon1107]

@@NerdlyCNC Totally makes sense!

[@luisvizcarra3801]

I’m a machinist working for a mold-making company, aspiring to own my own shop one day. To me, Haas is probably the most accesible machines for a startup business. I’ve watched a couple of your videos and I like your honest opinion. Any advice on how to start your own company?

[@banjohero8352]

My advice which is what I did was bought a cheap machine started making products that I thought might sale. They did start selling and I have been busy ever since. I had to make some phone calls to some larger companies and ask them to carry my products and some did and have been ordering ever since. Sure I have had to make changes to some of my products and have ran into a few roadblocks but if you have the will you can do it. I had to buy a few more machines since then. Just make sure whatever product you make works properly and let someone use it for free and get feedback from them before putting on the market. Also don't take shortcuts on packaging and customer support. Goodluck!!

[@eddie5556]

I'm curious what kind of Macro problems are you having? I have an older (05) VF2 and I'm considering upgrading to new one. I like that TRT160, Way more capacity than my TR110.

[@SeptrothFFXI]

ed matthews my guess is its the automatic setup macro for the rotary, I just got in a VM2 with a trt160 and found out that the automatic zero using the trt160 macro will smack the probe in to the face of the rotary. You have to use a TR160 macro to get it zeroed in

[@NerdlyCNC]

@@SeptrothFFXI this one

[@eddie5556]

Is it one that used to work, did an update and now it doesn't work?

[@SeptrothFFXI]

ed matthews I’m guessing that’s his case, mine because I got the newer software didn’t work when I got it

[@NerdlyCNC]

@@eddie5556 i just manual probed it in. just takes a bit of arithmetic and a bit more time.

[@williamdecamp7343]

Dude, I work for a major aerospace company with multi million dollars hi speed mills and guess what? we have macro issues as well. It doesn’t matter who you purchase your equipment from, seems to be the industry standard.

[@NerdlyCNC]

William DeCamp thanks William. Appreciate the input.

[@skreech01]

Damn that view straight outta your shop

[@alexkern9134]

Hey did you get the brake booster on the TRT160?

[@NerdlyCNC]

not sure....its the way it arrived

[@antshark]

Great video!! I like the comparison with Doosan. I've heard Doosans don't come with much memory either. Haas just released their UMC-500 which runs around $119k. Would you have considered that machine?

[@NerdlyCNC]

The 750SS nah....the UMC500SS yeah i think i would have.

[@antshark]

@@NerdlyCNC I received a quote from Ellison Technologies and Selway a few years ago. Price difference was about $20k although the Doosan came pretty much fully loaded. Things went south so I never ended up getting a machine. I've received invitations from both companies for their annual demo day event but was told this year by Ellison that they are taking me off their mailing list since I haven't bought anything. Smh, talk about horrible marketing lol.

[@Terminator550]

Did you consider purchasing a Hurco? It seems that many machining hobbyists do not consider this machine tool manufacturer.

[@NerdlyCNC]

Eli Bromlow no I didn’t. Looks like Hurcos are pretty solid machines. Overall the haas stuff has been good to me.

[@jaggedcliff]

Love your videos. curious question, how many squarefeet is your shop?

[@NerdlyCNC]

now 4200

[@bostondan77]

Will this replace your syil or mini mill?

[@NerdlyCNC]

bostondan77 not 100% sure.

[@henri1511]

Good video. Just a question, is it possible to mute that stupid 'beep' 'beep' sound, everytime you press a key on the controller? For me that's so annoying and I would not be able to live with it like that. Tactile feel of the push button is good enough for me.

[@NerdlyCNC]

Henri L I’m not sure. Good questions. I like the audible feedback

[@MrRock861261]

Im looking at a vf2 with a probe can you do a test with probing within fusion 360 and see if it works.

[@NerdlyCNC]

yes it does

[@MrRock861261]

@@NerdlyCNC Thanks for the reply maybe you can make a quick video.

[@vilts]

@@MrRock861261 There's not too much to using Fusion360 probe with Haas. Select probe from your tools, select which surfaces you want to probe and off you go, it updates WCS. Of course at first you need to manually set WCS, then it knows where to look for the surfaces. I used it last year for some stuff and worked ok.

[@Profabdesigns]

I have been a CNC Machinist/Programmer for 39 yrs. I by far would pick a Haas VMC 3+2 over anything on the market. The UMC750 is a bit over kill and overpriced for your needs and most shops unless you have very large Parts. As you stated, overall experience is top notch. Yes they do have a few bugs here and there. But they work with you and help sort ‘em out. Sometime its the actual Fusion 360 software. I still Use MasterCAM X9. Tried the 2017-2019, and just do not like it, as well as the crap version SW/MasterCAM. Part of the reason the hand wheel is so much tighter, is operators were whipping the wheel and the count had to play catch up, and ultimately would crash something. So, in response, Haas tightened up the drag on the wheel, and yes it can be adjusted. But has to be done by a authorized tech since its under warranty. Good luck on the future.

[@ClockworksOfGL]

ProfabDesigns Inc. - Guilty. I’ve crashed a drill into a tool presetter from spinning that jog wheel too fast. Maybe more than once. Shhhh...

[@Speedy2222]

I absolutely HATE dealing with Ellison technologies.

[@SHARE577]

I saw your review on the Tormach and I canceled my order Now I’m here trying to get some advice on what machine I should buy Can you please guide me I know you are busy, if you find time to consult I would gladly pay for your time. Thank you and please get back to me.

[@NerdlyCNC]

cy cy hi there. Feel free to email me at [e-mail]

[@mattkedz6577]

The company I work for, we have at least 20+ Haas Machines. Not only mills, but lathes. We won't ever buy super speeds again. Finding out after all 10 of our SS, that they aren't accurate at all when doing radii, etc. The ball screws have to have more play in them to accept the speeds, which in turn, less accuracy.

[@longscott428]

What are you making?

[@NerdlyCNC]

molds

[@Frmrspecialist74]

Where is your shop located?

[@NerdlyCNC]

Brent Masada Bakersfield California

[@steves.3485]

I think I have to same problem with my vf2 - with the new trt160 the mrzp cal cycle will apparently crush the probe... my service rep just told me to use the tr160 cal cycle... hopefully I remember that in 5 years.

[@powcar91]

Have you heard about the mpcnc?

[@NerdlyCNC]

no....link?

[@powcar91]

@@NerdlyCNC kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3mkmaeXlsmWeck its mostly 3d printed cnc

[@NerdlyCNC]

@@powcar91 cool...i'll check it out

[@jeffl1356]

Haas should take the same direction as Tesla when it comes to software... upgrade frequently with bug fixes and updated features. Make it automatic or at least really easy for the owner. Are you listening Haas?

[@steves.3485]

They are very hesitant to change software in imbedded systems... they have the mindset of “if it works, don’t change it.” As a “for instance”, I had to update my software to be compatible with the new trt160, after the update the machine will occasionally not boot when powered on... something about compatibility issues with the older hardware. Not a deal breaker - but not great either. My HFO did offer to replace the control board if it became a problem, but it is only an annoyance at this point.

[@jenspetersen5865]

Their business model is clearly to "buy" market share with a great value on a 80-90% solution, and make their profits on software options. I would guess that at least half of their net profits comes from options that cost a lot to develop and next to nothing to deliver/manufacture. A basic VFxx machine is great value and a capable machine that can make most parts. If you pay Haas more they can make the same stuff easier as ex with the probes. You don't need them but they offer benefits that you can choose to pay for.

[@funone8716]

So in this config, with all the options turned on, what would be a ball park price for this machine? As far as the downfalls, I pray that Gene watches this video.....really.But you should say 'would I buy this machine again'? NO

[@ClockworksOfGL]

fun one - You can price out the machine at the Haas website. The company is pretty transparent as far as machine tool builders go, with fixed prices, and will sell to pretty much anyone. A lot of the other guys won’t even return your phone calls unless you’re a big shot, and good luck getting numbers - you’d have a better buying experience at Slick Joe’s Used Cars.

[@randybehm6631]

Hate the new control aluminum faceplate, ugly square logo, crappy handwheel. The brushed stainless was so much nicer and didn't scratch as easily. Honestly, I hate the NGC in General. The old control needed updated for sure but you can tell they took alot of shortcuts. Also, you're not the only one to complain about what they show in videos vs what you get. We bought a DS30Y and were disappointed to find out there was no C-axis on the subspindle (positional only and only to +- 1/2 degree!!! that's a mile wide for a rotary!!!). In the promo video they show a very complex part with milling on both spindles and I can tell you from working with the machine for the last 3 years that -there is NO WAY they made it with any sort of accuracy between the spindles or atleast not without taking several hours and super light cuts. Their training videos are nice but definitely take any "product spotlight" or "look what we did to blah-machine!!!" videos with a whole spoonful of salt!

[@dukevanlien4985]

My uncle has 40 plus MAZAK MAZATROL BUT THE ARE LIKE 200 K EACH BUT I GREW UP ON MAZAK

[@jass313]

Have you ever looked our CNCs, kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWPRYn2GitmfedU Full 3D solid model based CAD/CAM integrated into the CNC. This is great for guys just getting into CNC. So many advantages compare to old school GCode!

[@waller393]

U buy haas to get what u really want haas are good but mazaks are way above! But haas will allways be a good start machine

[@nathanbroughton1539]

I like the Dmg mori machines.

[@NerdlyCNC]

those are amazing

[@85CEKR]

You won't if you own one.

[@NerdlyCNC]

@@85CEKR why is that?

[@85CEKR]

We have one in our shop as do most shops in our area (we do a lot of large mold work in this area) have a few. Ours and pretty much everybody I talk to break down constantly. One customer of mine in particular has 3 large 5 axis mill turn DMG's they break down constantly. This shop has about 20 machines most are okuma including 2 MU 6300's with turning abilities and a a big old 50 taper from 1982(that still runs 24/7). Those 3 DMG's break down more in a year than the rest of the shops machines combined. Several people there have told me the only reason they have them is because Okuma,Matsurra, Hermle, Grob etc don't make machines that big with full 5 axis abilities.

[@nathanbroughton1539]

That surprises me. We had 25 machines NT 4200 4300 NL3000 etc. I also have been to mori seiki factories in japan 3-4 times. Seeing how they make these machines is unbelievable. Very rigid solid machines. I like the Doosan as well another well made machine that doesn’t have the price tag of the dmg Mori.

[@Factory400]

Doosan makes awesome machines but you have to use Fanuc controls and they are DEATH! When Doosan breaks, the expense is immense. Ellison is nice, but Doosan is just expensive to own.

[@3JS2001]

Factory400 Lol, Haas’s mills are 1000 times better than doosans

[@Factory400]

@@3JS2001 Well, I have owned/used both. The Haas machines simply cannot do what the Doosans do all day and all night. I do love my Haas machines until I need to hold ultra tight numbers in Inconel with amazing surface finishes. Haas can't compete.

[@OwnerOfOwn]

are you guude?

[@VenomKen]

Haas can no longer afford to give anything away. They have Formula 1 bills to pay.

[@NerdlyCNC]

ha ha ha...thats how im starting to feel

[@dukevanlien4985]

Mazak is way way better

[@3JS2001]

Best machine for the dollar is a Haas and will always be a Haas in my opinion. People think Haas is lower grade than an okuma, matsuura, or a mazak until they actually buy one of those other machines. Had it happen with too many people

[@NerdlyCNC]

no one is arguing that they arent a good value.

[@5axisprogrammer16]

LOL you get what you pay for. HAAS is always out servicing their machines. hmmmm.......

[@NerdlyCNC]

i know guys that have shops full of mazaks and have issues....Machines are like cars....some are built well some a buzzards

[@5axisprogrammer16]

@@NerdlyCNC I love your videos. Dont get me wrong. I only have one Okuma and 1 Fadal. HAAS are good. But I wouldn't buy onr myself. Keep up the good work brother.

[@85CEKR]

@@NerdlyCNC maybe but machine tools are pretty simple machines at their core, there are quite a few brands that will perform day in day out without issue and still hold the same tolerances decades later.

[@Juxtaposed1Nmotion]

cut down on footage of your visage.

[@NerdlyCNC]

lol..thanks for the advice

[@playlist9389]

inches inches inches.... Retarded units. Use metric system!!!

[@NerdlyCNC]

Fluffy Hamster maybe you should try using inches where you live.....that’s what it’s like trying to use metric is US. everything is harder to get. Tool holders / collets / drills / taps. It would be “retarded” to pay more for tools that are more difficult to get.