My heart cannot ACCEPT what my mind REJECTS - Dan Barker

[@zach2980]

“Any system that’s based on threats of violence is morally bankrupt.” My most used quote. Dan is awesome!

[@BeccaYoley]

Oh my non-existent God, you got Dan Barker! He's one of my very favorite Atheists! Can't wait to listen to this😀

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

thank the god I don't believe in.

[@AveriesMiranda]

I love him

[@tinyshepherdess7710]

Yeah that was my first thought - wow, Tim, you've hit the big time!

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

OMNEG! 😂

[@leandrofernandez7681]

@@uncleanunicorn4571😂😂😂😂😂

[@CaramelReign1990]

Believers say hell isn't the motivator, yet whenever a non believer chastises the religion or the book, the go to response from them always involves the threat of Hell.

[@lepidoptera9337]

Absolutely nothing stops the Pope from taking Revelation out of the bible. It barely made it in, anyway. ;-)

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

"So nice being an Atheist, I don't have to hate anymore."

[@kristishaver6545]

Amen😂

[@AgcidentallyAgnostic]

DAN BARKER!! So excited to hear this!!

[@karlu8553]

Dan telling his deconversion story at an atheist convention in Australia is one of my favorite faith deconstruction videos still to this day. As Dawkins said about him - such an eloquent testimony of what it's like to be deluded and all the way in....and then to find your way out. I so related to his journey through different stages as well, letting go of more and more while trying to hold onto some imagined core

[@radosawszmid7822]

Dan Barker! WoW! The man you wouldn't want to sit next to on the bus when he was a Christian😀

[@dagg310]

why would u want to sit next to any christian ? lol

[@phantomse24]

​@dagg310 lol best question ever..

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

After reading _Losing Faith in Faith,_ I decided to tell my mother I was an atheist. I thought that since Dan's parents listened to him, my mother would listen to me. I was SO wrong. I guess it needed to come out, but Christianity is dangerous. I'm still worried about our relationship's end game. I'm so worried.

[@fogsmart]

I deconverted but unlike the vast majority of religious apostates I’m not an atheist. It’s the BibleGod that was the problem, not the concept of a transcendent entity that might be a causal agent. My other issue with my faith was my loss of autonomy and the spiritual hubris that intransigently held certainty plays with our mental faculties. I rate the existence of a god and the possibility of Jesus being Truth as extremely low on a probability scale. Therefore I call myself somewhat of an agnostic. And the best part of my new found self-agency is I couldn’t give a hoot what anyone else thinks.

[@Jimyblues]

Same - things have happened in my life that were scientifically impossible- there is a mystery that neither organized religion or atheism fully explains .

[@FoursWithin]

​ @@Jimyblues Technically atheism doesn't explain anything except an individuals response to a single question.

[@aprilaronson1012]

I'm the same! I don't have a problem with other people not believing in a higher power. But I really, truly believe there is one, but I definitely don't believe the Bible comes from any god. I especially don't believe in the god of the Bible, since he is clearly corrupt and evil.

[@marcrichter9160]

Awesome. That attitude rocks! 😎👍

[@amygrowls]

Gosh! Dan Barker is like my atheist hero lol this is incredible. Ok, settling in…

[@jamesjon1500]

I was listening at work absent-minded and my brain kept saying that voice sounds familiar until boom Dan Barker!

[@MissOne]

same 😂

[@donaldlawson1334]

Wouldn’t streets of gold be meaningless in a realm where gold holds no value?

[@Matira269]

That is so obvious, but still, seldom acknowledged! ☺

[@FoursWithin]

Yeah . That was another thing that really struck me how often these material items that are claimed to be worthless in the big picture of the bible are at the same time praised as such valuable aesthetic.

[@donaldlawson1334]

@@FoursWithin totally! Pretty obvious they’re appealing to pretty base human desires

[@donaldlawson1334]

@@Matira269 I was a Christian for basically 30 years and only just now realized this lol…

[@Matira269]

@@donaldlawson1334 Yeah, we were all roped into this matrix. We laugh when the narrator laughs, we cry when he does, we admire, and approve what he admires, we hate what he hates, and we adore and long for what he says is valuable! We all never saw the huge elephant in the room.

[@Matira269]

I love this interview. Dan Barker is fascinating. His book. "Contraduction" sounds like a must read for me!. The out of the box thinking will go a long way in disrupting the matrix of assumptions that we live within and take as truth. Tim, your guests are getting more and more exciting with each passing episode. Thank you for two wonderful and enlightening hours!

[@DarqueSyde66]

“You don’t have to hate anymore.” That is DEEP! Thank god for Dan!!! 😂😂😂 This was GREAT!!! Thank you for all that you BOTH DO!!!

[@The-Doubters-Diary]

Love Dan!

[@kenhoover1639]

The questions that you asked Dan are questions that people who are deconstructing are concerned with. Good stuff!

[@oldbiker9739]

Good to see you again Dan , after listening to you I left the cult of Jehovah's witnesses , thank you I'm free .

[@JonathanGarven]

This was one of my favorite interviews on this channel. Such an interesting man Dan Barker is and so humble as well. I am going to check out his channels and KZbin videos now. Thank you Tim, you nailed it again!

[@jfarr206]

Dan Barker was one of the first people to open my eyes once I started watching various debates about Christianity. Thank you, Dan! - and thanks Tim for having him on.

[@juba9575]

Two great men. I could listen to you both all day ❤

[@johnkerr762]

This was wonderful. It was so pleasant to see that decent, genuine peaceful people are alive and kicking outside of religion.

[@wizquinn8021]

Wow! Dan Barker on your channel! 🎉

[@offgrid405]

Thanks Tim for having my favorite man on. Great show. Great new word - Contraduction! Love it. Makes sense. Fantastic!! Thanks😀

[@Akindmind-oe7ol]

Wow! I’m feeling starstruck!

[@PurpleButterfly-mf4hn]

Dan Barker AMAZING !!! Been listening to him for years and he made a big impact on my deconversion journey. Fantastic interview Tim...keep um coming! You are doing a fantastic job 👏 You are a wonderful human being, a truth teller, helping set people free my friend 😊

[@ABooTubeProduction]

You are visibly excited to be interviewing Dan and it's kind of adorable! I think we'd all fanboy over Dan, to be honest. Great work Tim!

[@FoursWithin]

Great, cant wait to hear rhis interview. Dan was one of the very first atheists I heard on KZbin ! 😍

[@dorothyhusen6718]

I am a member of freedom from religion and have attended a couple of their conventions. Love ffrf💜

[@joycesky5041]

Love 💕 love love Dan Barker! I have some of his books that are AWESOME!!! Dan & Jerry Dewitt helped me greatly to deconstruct!

[@KrissySaturday]

I'm deep into Dan's audiobook, Godless. His voice is so sweet and comforting to me in this deconstruction journey, and I love hearing him again on this podcast. All this honesty is so refreshing. 🤓

[@SCP-SAM]

Well done!

[@daheikkinen]

Dan Barker is a legend.

[@petermetcalfe6722]

I had the pleasure of meeting Dan in Liverpool, England 6 years ago and he was a perfect gentleman and came to the pub with us afterwards. He only drank Coke though.

[@lh1673]

Wow, critical thinker I admire, known him from the debates channels! And 100% agree of the title😊

[@Jimyblues]

The joy of learning- as Dan said, it keeps me going

[@Halimo-j9h]

Wow, it's so good to see Dan Barker on your show.

[@vividartist8194]

Valuable content with Dan Barker 👏 one of the brave outspoken atheist pioneers who played a part in helping me slowly deconstruct after watching his appearance on Oprah from decades ago. Tim you’re a very well-versed (lol) educated host and give your guests space to really go into detail uninterrupted so thank you for that.. you really know how to ask thought-provoking questions! I really enjoyed this!

[@CartoonArtLover]

I have to thank Dan Barker for pushing me away from religion, specifically Christianity. His book God, the most unpleasant character in fiction, is one of the things that helped me out of my faith.

[@emilywyatt9340]

Wish he had been around when I started deconstruction at 16..33 years free.

[@philmabarak5421]

Love Dan Barker! So happy you had him as a guest! Both of your similar and different perspectives are so appreciated. Dan's philosophical insights has helped me tremendously.

[@Sological]

Oh! I can't wait for Godless Gospel! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@michaelgarth7077]

Another interesting talk. Well presented thank you.

[@darrenwilliams4938]

Excellent interview - I could listen to Dan Barker talk all day.

[@AveriesMiranda]

I will always tune in when Dans on 🙌🏼

[@waltsudman]

Great job of your interview of 'Dan Barker'. A good listen.

[@edwinf4524]

I love to listen to Dan Barker. Greetings from Germany

[@glenanderson6153]

I love you both ❤. Keep up the good work. Some days I need the strength of others to carry on. Thanks so much for being true, beautiful and strong!! Much love.

[@Kumite_Champ]

Bro!! So awesome you got Dan on your show! Great to see you growing Tim

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Thanks, Donny! And thanks for being a part of the early stages of the channel!

[@Kumite_Champ]

@@HarmonicAtheist can you shoot me an email?

[@madmartinline6]

I don't know about living forever but I would like to live long enough to master blues guitar. Maybe another 100/200 years ! I would also like to go back to my childhood & teens knowing what I know now about Christianity so to be in a position to defend myself against all the religious nonesense thrown my way by my family & our local church. It's all so obvious now but when being brought up in a Christian home I thought it was all normal even though something inside didn't feel it was quite right. It never crossed my mind to rebel & so I just went along with it for an easy life & to not upset folk. Not a very healthy way to live your life ! It gives me so much peace & happiness now that I am in my seventies to be open & honest with people about my beliefs & views. Just wish I had when I was young & had spent my time seeking the truth & learning about reality & not at church meetings.

[@cindiballard900]

Dan's book "Godless" was instrumental in the early days of my deconversion. Being in gospel music myself, I was drawn to his story. I can relate to having to pretend to believe something because it's your career. I am so appreciative of Dan and his wife, and admire everything they are doing with FFRF, and for non-believers and those who are experiencing the painful process of deconversion. I wish there were a Clergy Project type organization for musicians. I will immediately check out "Godless Gospel!" Great interview! Thanks, Tim and Dan!

[@carletharochelle2362]

Wowww!!!❤❤❤❤ U got the GOAT to join!! Congrats. Excited to watch. Im a bit star struck😁😁

[@saulalbeiro]

I identified in many aspects of this interview, Well done.

[@itkirk]

The legendary Dan Barker!! Awesome interview, Tim!

[@johnjohnson1657]

GREAT show. GREAT guest. Kudos.

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

A few years back, I used a thought experiment to disprove, for myself, the non-existence of an eternal "hell." I was astounded at how easy it was, when i put aside all the christian dogma and doctrine I was taught through my life. I won't tell you how I disproved it for myself. But if you use your reason, you can surely do it too.

[@presentfuture7563]

Hey, cool! I'm reading his book right now.

[@Matira269]

I am going to get it.

[@Zaza_Grady]

Legendary!!🤩

[@athena3865]

A moral god would not deceive anyone.

[@Eyesopeningheartrealigning]

Dan Barker, instrumental and vocal with understandable, brilliant communication skills 😅 Thank you for bringing him to us Tim, lovely to see Dan and listen to his journey and unfolding of his faith. His book, Godless, is the only one read so far but definitely going to listen to another. Thank you BOTH ❤️🥹🤩😁👌

[@ffigwit]

Another really interesting interview Tim! Thanks 😊

[@Lambert1386]

I love listening to him.

[@anthonycostine5067]

Wonderful interview, thank you!

[@lewischave]

Thanks for a great channel. Keep it up. As a liberal Christian im keeping an open mind

[@jon.skeptischism]

Just great!

[@nothing-b2n]

Good for youu

[@johnmonk3381]

Dan is also a gifted musician. He is probably and quite humbly the finest specimen of the human race

[@davidredinger5938]

Love Dan... Great interview.. much love!

[@ItsSageof]

An excellent addition to this marathon of stories!

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Awesome interview 🎉legend. Nice to get to know Dan better.

[@stevenbatke2475]

I love Dan! But I don’t want to go into his basement ;)

[@say10..]

I love Dan's "You don't have to go into my basement" bit. 😂

[@Apaulshi]

55:26 I would love to see a video of such as well. Wonder if this type of scenario has ever been captured on camera?

[@barryrichins]

Atta Boy, Boys!!!

[@NWBOXING247]

I was brought up in a Christian household but never took it seriously until i actually read the bible. To be honest it was the words of Jesus that made me gravitate to.the Word because no one spoke like that ever. Even throughout watching these deconversion stories I still love those words. Also found out im a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (not those israeli imposters in the land today) which compells me to stay because he's my father and chose my family to be a light to the nations and show the way

[@emilywyatt9340]

Family trees don't go back 4O00 years. No evidence these people ever existed except in the imaginations of Jewish scribes. Someone's been telling you porkies.

[@BlackDeath920]

Dan was huge in keeping me out

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

"Do as I say, not as I do!" - God If God gave us freewill, he missed the most important choice we could possibly have: "Do you want to live on Earth?" Not having the option, and not signing some contract to say it's okay to be born here, means that we are slaves of God, no free beings. I won't believe in a God like that. Overlooking the thousand other reasons not to believe........

[@russell311000]

Look at you bringing out the big dogs.

[@totonow6955]

A wonderful dialectical thinker. Here's to Hegel! Cheers but suppose that dialectic is both together rather than either or dualism. Perhaps Slavoj Zizek's Parallax View?

[@cousinbuzzin9060]

Dan and Tim, have you ever considered "The Third Possibility"?

[@Irelano]

Believing in no god has me lost in this world I wish I could believe but I can’t see evidence of god

[@glenliesegang233]

Watch Ron Vale's computer animations of kinesins and mitosis. Then ask yourself- if each protein present exists in part as base 64 encoded digital (Dawkins) information, and each part has to both fit together and interact with another such that both end up achieving a tiny goal necessary for a much greater goal, how do random processes do this? There is no "reverse engineering" in biological systems. No enzyme which formed spontaneously which then serves a function in a pathway can be coded for future generations. Each had to be present as code and present physically simultaneously at the beginning. Consider caterpillar to moth. 2 lifeforms eating different foods with auto-digestion of an old body to recycle and create a winged wonder. Look at what atoms actually are. Look at proton structure. Do you see underlying randomness? Or previse narrow constraints on each part and force? If a newborn baby is not a miracle, then it is simply a marvelous collection of parts. The materialist world-view is values-free. The values humans impose are based on preferences. Seeing with the eyes of a child does not mean you are childish. It means, uncontaminated by rigid thought patterns which alter what you see.

[@dh1329]

I love the godless gospel choir! ❤❤❤

[@MissOne]

Let someone tell HIM, "He wasn't really a Christian' 😮😢😂

[@kristishaver6545]

Dan looks good for his years

[@mawhel]

49:00 But there will be endless, fascinating work just by judging the angels (1 Cor 6:3). Who knows what mischief they can get up to (1 Cor 6:3)? You just cannot trust them. I think it was Martin Luther who said that if all the angels in heaven tried to dissuade him of the gospel message, he would not believe them. And given that a full one third of them turned in an instant against the holy God they were in direct communion with, to become demons no less! Yes, it will be perpetually eternally interesting work just to be able to judge them. Sarcasm of course.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Great guest, an atheist legend

[@lizhoward9754]

1:36 - let’s be honest. Trump couldn’t care less about any religion. He doesn’t even care enough to be atheist because I doubt he has given any religion or spirituality a second thought. He believes in the Trump religion. I could see him being the first US President to ban religion if religion became a threat to his power

[@lizhoward9754]

1:35:15 - it is sooooo good to hear him say that it is going to be more common and much more acceptable to be atheist/agnostic/free thinker and run for political office and that the younger people don’t give a fig what religion you are. Yes! I have never understood why a politician’s religion matters. It is stupid. While I never supported or voted for Mitt Romney I always fiercely defended him against anyone who had a problem with him just because he was Mormon. Who cares! It is irrelevant. And kudos to Colin Powell who once said he saw nothing wrong with a Muslim American child wanting to grow up and run for US President. And Colin Powell said that while everyone was bashing anyone Muslim. Who cares if a person is atheist, Muslims or whatever.

[@zach2980]

Maybe it’s my misunderstanding, but the universe seems as fine tuned for me as I am for an HIV.

[@marcrichter9160]

Freedom From Religion Foundation - Dan Barker’s organisation

[@domingosmsande9153]

Everything put together by thought is limited, be it belief, philosophy, mythology, scientific knowledge and all the rest of it. One can perceive the limits and the nature of knowledge. Without any invention of thought, who am I? Without resorting to any explanations - they are all limited - who am I? What am I? Without discovering this, am I not just an ignorant individual? Is it possible to make the discovery about who or what I am?

[@lepidoptera9337]

I can clearly see why high school science class was too much for you. ;-)

[@domingosmsande9153]

Knowledge, though limited, is necessary in daily life. "Episteme" (epi + histasthai) means "overimposition". Any theory is an overimposition to "what is". Beliefs, theories - illustrated ignorance. To really perceive this fact requires a great deal of intelligence. Few humans beings go as far as that. I understand your difficult.

[@lepidoptera9337]

@@domingosmsande9153 It's OK. You didn't have to prove it to me again. :-)

[@dagg310]

"god loved the world so much he gave up his only son" ...question for christians ...where is jesus now ?

[@winros]

H E double hockey sticks!!!!🥴

[@soyevquirsefron990]

If religious rituals made me feel better, I’d enact them to get the real world benefit. But they don’t because I know there’s no truth to them. The Litany Against Fear from Dune has more value to me than the entire Abrahamic mythology. Dune isn’t true either, but the meditation is useful to the real world

[@onceamusician5408]

Of course the heart cannot accept what the mind rejects. That is why, though a convinced Christian, I reject that preposterous flummery which is Pascal's Wager. As for the rest I do not propose to argue it here

[@glenliesegang233]

Not true. Your heart can accept that you love someone while your mind rejects that love.

[@LogicalKip]

Wuh ? Who's next, Richard Dawkins ?

[@bigdomkook]

Its so ironic seeing christian ads on here. Wtf

[@HarmonicAtheist]

They specifically target their Christian ads to atheist content.

[@ronwisegamgee]

Abductive reasoning is literally the thought process of a conspiracy theorist: starting with a conclusion and rationalizing the "evidence" in a post-hoc manner. It's an entertaining thought exercise and a great improv tool for Dungeon Masters/game masters, but it's terrible for discerning reality and is akin to superstitious thinking.

[@jeromeelster803]

Its f×cking EXTORTION...

[@mackm45]

I never was a god person . I am not an atheist either I am just a man with out a god insanity right?????

[@imperfekt7905]

Definition of atheism is "without god." At least if we look at the etymology of the word. Some people consider atheism to be a position that there is no god, others just say "I haven't noticed one." So, because us hoomans love to create terms for everything, we might consider your position to be agnosticism, "not knowing." Or maybe you'd like to coin your own term. 🙂

[@glenliesegang233]

You intuitively knew as a child that the systems of reality cooperate to acheive goals, and that your modeling clay did nothing without you giving it shape. You knew that a caterpillar becoming a cocoon becoming a butterfly was not random, and later understood information and a "something which guided which information was active and when" had to exist. You could have said, God did it. Then scientific thinking led you to, no, atoms obeying physical laws did it. Then, if you are a real scientist, youd come to see that information never arises without being written/composed/created. Then you ask, where is this Creator, and what is its nature? The you ask, all the while knowing your conception can never capture the essence of anything, which faith best fts what i observe?

[@oliverclark5604]

Heart and mind are inseparable and qualitatively equal as one. "... the company of those who believed were of one heart and mind..." (NIV Acts 4:32). Heart feeling/having faith and mind thinking are not consequential on each other. In uncertainty of belief, I keep as is/does "God" as this inseparability and qualitative equality in the/a present moment. Church and state are inseparable and qualitatively equal as doing procreation gift roles and purporting presuming their separation is for economic advantage by tax exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud. Dan Barker is biased towards thinking and compensates in uncontrollable oscillation that is "contraduction" by referring to "left the faith" when in uncertainty belief is keeping ("God") the inseparability and qualitative equality of doing thinking and being having faith. Remedy for atheism is to try this in uncertainty of belief keeping that withstands extreme tensions caused by self-groomed "contraduction".

[@ziploc2000]

Atheism is the cure to the disease of religion.