A Real Solution to Overwatch Balance?!?!

[@kneX20]

I swear the 5v5 change was actually made for OWL teams so they could cut a player in a time when they weren’t making any money and now there’s no OWL and we’re stuck with it cause they’re stubborn.

[@PharticusMcbutt]

Naaaaaah they didn’t give a shit about OWL 😂

[@ghoulbuster1]

OWL literally ruined the game.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@PharticusMcbuttHell if they didnt the League was entirely their idea….

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@PharticusMcbuttAlso wtf is your pfp lmao. 💀

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@ghoulbuster1Yeah sadly, i liked watching the Pro scene in 1 place instead of having to Google around for old and random tourneys but it just wasnt structured as well and not to mention that trying to copy league but not in the way that leagues esports scene works lets just say it wasnt the brightest of the ideas.

[@achembot]

What if we made Overwatch into a Open World Rpg XD

[@gustavobulhoes14]

the fact that this an actual quote from a developer is so funny and sad

[@cesarmodinger7090]

that isn't a good idea because they don't know how to make pve look at diablo 4 and inmortal

[@joeburch6754]

I have a good title for that game too. "Titan." Pretty good, huh?

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

Only way that would work is if you went after bounties that could travel across the open world and you had to track them down. They could also be so far that you lose track. The ideal open world rpg is Cube World Alpha 😂

[@Strikerhero1000]

Black desert pve was good but too grinds for the gear

[@michaelc7418]

5v5 supporters don't want to talk about the fact after 2-2-2 released alongside Sigma, that we did not get a SINGLE new Tank or Support hero. The devs released our 17th DPS hero, Echo, when we had 8 Tanks, 16 DPS, 7 Supports. Duh Tank & Support queues were considerably shorter than DPS queues in OW1. Tank queues being shorter than Support queues mainly had to do with stuff like Sombra Hack having much higher ability lockout duration in OW1, McCree stun, Mei Freeze, Ana Sleep, and Brigitte stun all stacking on top of the Tank CC that would hit the enemy Tanks, making the enemy Tanks want to quit. Removing and reducing hard CC from the game and releasing more new Tank & Support heroes is how you reduce DPS queue times by making people want to queue Tank & Support more.

[@narwhalz02]

And this is further proved by the fact that support queue times are typically longer than DPS queue times in OW2. They got the benefits of new characters and less CC without the downsides of removing a player in the role.

[@bambampewpew32]

​@@FGPlus orisa has no shield, and the double shield that was bad was orisa sigma

[@derekb2314]

I mean you can complain about no new tanks all you want, but they only have so many ideas. And honestly, I think a lot of it comes down to aesthetic design choices. so many games with tanks just do the role wrong and make it unappealing. The characters are not cool, their equipment is not cool, what they can do is not cool. Why do you think Reinhardt is so popular when he is good, even though it's usually not THAT good? No I don't want to be a schizo that uses jedi mind powers to throw rocks at people. No, I don't want to be a pro gamer gurl. No, I don't want to be 4 legged robocop. no, i don't want to be an overweight pigman with a triple barrel sawed off shotty. no i don't want to be a guy who looks like he should have been the cool dad in Moana. The game has the same problem with supports, they just don't have the "cool" factor DPS heroes do. They don't even try, Ana and Zen were just accidents. All the other supports are lame. but talk to any DPS player and they can play half the roster and actually like the heroes FFXIV is one of the only games I've EVER, in almost THREE DECADES OF GAMING, seen get it right with tanks and supports. And even they have the same issue you have raised - 4 tanks, 4 healers, 12 dps classes

[@Bulkyninja]

@@derekb2314 gordon ramsey in the kitchen here

[@wookieninja8794]

​@@derekb2314 L take. I don't want to be a talking monkey or an old one eyed sniper pirate grandma yet my 3 highest played heroes by far are Reinhardt, Winston, and Ana. You don't have to want to be something to play it. I play them because I find them to be fun to play.

[@theaveteam97]

I have been an avid tank player FOR YEARS, enjoyed playing Rein, Zarya, Winston, Dva, Hog and such. But I've had all I can take with the tank role in Overwatch 2, constantly being flamed or denied picks even though I play very well. I've picked up queuing the other two roles and letting someone else suffer the unrewarding role that has become tank.

[@ChimpRevolution]

The gaslighting from 5v5 people saying rose tinted glasses is insane

[@Adventist1997]

On God! They're trying to justify 5v5 with their own Rose tinted glasses. 😂

[@gagers78]

Sounds like something someone with rose tinted glasses would say... Although in all seriousness I'm new to the game and enjoy 5v5 so I really don't have any real opinion on the topic

[@ChimpRevolution]

@gagers78 I'm just saying this as someone who played overwatch 1 back in 2017 off and on I had periods of breaks and came back in 2020. I used to love playing tank I played a lot of Winston even in 2020 granted I never climbed in OW1 I was always gold so I never had to deal with double shield. I have since gotten better and peaked in masters last season however I hate playing tank now I really only que the role because dooms my favorite character and he's a tank but I feel like half my time is spent baiting cooldowns like life grip etc. The roles considerably less fun then when I used to play Winston and rein back in 2017

[@MvsterWayne]

They’re delusional at best! If they were going to rework the tanks anyways - which was the issue with two tanks in a 6v6 format - then what was the purpose of pushing us into 5v5 lol

[@nailinthefashion]

I peaked gold too and had a lot of Rein Ori or Ori sig in my games as they pirate ship, that’s why I mained Dva/Echo/Lucio/Mercy to ignore all that or patiently focus them down But I’d rather deal with that and wait twice as long than solo Ori being broken lol that’s not very commercial though so I get why they’re hesitating to revert or explore 6v6. On top of the shame there’s all that coding they’d need to do, it’s just unrealistic to expect it any time soon but they must be considering it behind the scenes

[@jonahp1127]

Rainbow 6 and Valorant are 5v5 with no issues, why? Because everyone has the same killing power, no matter what character you’re playing. When boiling those games down, everyone is essentially a DPS and everyone can one tap. Every hero in overwatch has unique weapons and roles, so having an odd number of players automatically means that one person on the team is singled out.

[@Barrnickle]

It felt pointless to bring up 6v6 a few seasons ago, as in it wasn't going to happen, but it genuinely feels like we're approaching the breaking point of OW2. 10 seasons in and not only has the tank experience not been fixed, it's undeniably gotten worse. I really feel like OW2 could be in danger of actually dying out before long, it's constantly clowned on by the gaming community, the queue time problem is just as bad as it was in a dead non free-to-play OW1, and overall everyone who plays the game just talks about how bad it feels to play the game overall. I used to play OW1 with my friends at the end of OW1s life, I can't even get them to play it now, they won't touch it. OW is my favorite multiplayer game of all time because of the characters, teamwork gameplay (mainly in OW1), and there is just nothing truly like it. I don't want the game to die but it truly feels inevitable at this point, I really think 6v6 is the only way to stop it. Not just from a balance standpoint, but as Sam has said the OW2 brand is tarnished, the poor state of the game along with the entire PVE fiasco, OW2 is finished and they NEED to get away from it. I've tried to love this game as much as I loved the original that sucked me into OW to begin with, but I simply can't, the game really is just not fun compared to OW1. Supports are either OP or feel powerless against DPS, DPS are either OP or feel powerless to kill anything, and Tank is either OP or powerless to do much of anything. Neither format is going to be perfect, that is a fact, but 6v6 would 100% be more balanceable than this and would definitely improve the player experience for everyone I feel. OW1 is a legendary game for a reason, and OW2 only exist so Activision could justify a "new" game with monetization and broken promises, but that *new* effect has worn off, and the game is taking the most criticism it probably ever has and I don't know how much longer it can hold on.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Same, overall faster-pacing and chaotic-ness and more organic comeback potentials through faster ult-charge (due to the lack of the Tank passive and overall more people to shoot at) was the core of OW1s experience.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Nowadays i just play Splatoon 3 and ironically enough, its going through mostly similar problems lol, with maps being like glorified hallways and having a lot of unpaintable walls basically favoring longer-ranged weapons more and killing flanks and basically most of the core design principles that made Splatoon what it was in the 1• place, which was verticality and lots of natural and organic variety in the weapons pool due to the wildly different map designs and layouts, compared to now where theyre just tetris pieces lol and i hope that the issue gets solved on in either at this game or the next 1 if not for this game…, cuz the maps designers really dropped the ball on this 1 lmao.

[@EZduzziteh]

I'd be more likely to buy overwatch classic for 60 bucks than any of the skins they have been putting up in the store lol

[@Adventist1997]

To bad the disc just updates to OW2 😂

[@jjglaser]

The reason they don't release overwatch 1 on steam is because they want to avoid embarassment when everyone switches to that game. Cowards for not releasing OW1.

[@adiseagledostuff]

we still run 6v6 in pugs

[@skarloeythomas5172]

hell no I already bought that game in 2016.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@Adventist1997lol

[@Twilight.Princess]

All queue is Tank queue.

[@NoWayFolding]

Apart from the 2% chance of DPS, but essentially yeah it is lol

[@Twilight.Princess]

@@NoWayFoldinglol yes

[@Adventist1997]

For me its mostly Support and occasionally Tank. 🤔

[@HelalAndre]

@@Adventist1997 whats you rank? I'm gold/plat and for me all queue is always tank

[@Adventist1997]

​@@HelalAndre I'm also gold... I'm literally gold Tank, gold DPs, gold Support.

[@dustinbiester4401]

A 20-second clip could change everyone's mood about this game: Winston and Reinhardt walk towards each other until they are face-to-face. After a few-second stared own, D'va walks up behind Winston until she's standing beside him. Zarya slowly walks up behind Reinhardt until she's standing beside him. The 4 heroes continue the staredown until the clip ends. *the fan base goes nuts!!

[@axell9130]

6v6 i miss you

[@MvsterWayne]

You and me both 😢

[@peanut4831]

Where are yooooooou?

[@noahthesky9682]

People forgot the 15+ min dps queue, shield spam and the fucking CC. 6vs6 was equally bad but different lmao.

[@MvsterWayne]

@@noahthesky9682so what you’re saying is the tanks needed a rework so that double shield can’t really be a thing, which is what happened, no?

[@worldender2259]

​@noahthesky9682 you use the same argument that's been debunked, all that can be fixed via balance patch, 5v5 can not.

[@aaron-qy2me]

They should do a quick play takeover with a throwback to 6v6 for a week. As a solely OW2 player, it'd be nice to experience what 6v6 was actually like

[@mryellow6918]

it was great you could actually kill tanks and tanks could actually playaround things

[@Coolguysup]

There are a few 6v6 lobbies in custom games if you really want to try it out

[@ghoulbuster1]

Blizz will never do that because it's admitting they failed.

[@Spensa10]

Samito actually played a 6v6 code, and Guru made a discord for people to make lobbies for the code and it's fairly active.

[@pepekovallin]

I have a feeling that if blizzard actually do that they'll somehow sabotage the whole experience on purpose, like, not lowering the tank's health to their arcade values, meaning there would be 2 giga tanks on the battlefield instead of 2 reasonable tanks, and they'll use that to reinforce the 5v5 narrative. Call me a Conspiracy theorist but I don't really Trust these guys to be honest, at all

[@djamesconner]

Blizzard simply doesnt understand the mental aspect of it... at least anymore. The game feels "sweaty" because for many players they were used to 6v6 and just feel like they have to contribute more in 5v5. Tanks feeling this the most feel inclined to swap so due to this preassure. Blizzard literally knew this, jeff stated this in that speech on why they went with 6v6. They can say counter picking is overrated all they want, but it doesnt matter, people will still feel inclined because of the format, which means unless they remove hero swapping, or add bans it wont change.

[@Garry-y7b]

It does feel much more “mechanics vs mechanics” than ow1

[@S3nCh4n]

The fact there is a "role passive" means they do not understand their game (or heroes) at all.

[@MvsterWayne]

I’ve been playing since OG ovewatch launch and to me it feels like counterswapping is at an all time high in my games. It was there before but I’m noticing it way more now

[@danneltheflannel]

@@MvsterWayne Yeah its bad, if you want to just play one tank all round you will always have 3-4 players on enemy team counterswapping. They could remove Hero swapping during a round but everyone hates that idea so tanking will stay miserable, and eventually the game will die again.

[@MvsterWayne]

@@danneltheflannelI get it to a degree. In paladins it feels bad to be locked into champions and getting steamrolled because they have a counter comp. But being forced into learning to play against your counters makes it fun so idk

[@TevinMachart-pc5wy]

In Ow1 you would tilt your team if you didn’t swap to the tank pair. In ow2 you tilt your team if you don’t counter swap their tank the whole match.

[@FGHypnotiq]

Challenge: Take a shot every time Sam mentions October 2020. Difficulty: Alcohol Poisoning Edit: For the record, I'm 100% on your side here. There is no fixing 5v5.

[@leana339]

Did a deep inhale of my bong instead. It took me an hour to write this.

[@ShinimagisFTW]

​@@FGPlus supports might need a hard nerf in 6v6. Lucio especially.

[@mckookie2967]

​@@ShinimagisFTWGreat!

[@tracer5951]

@@FGPlus elaborate

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@leana339 Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@ChickenSoupMusic]

This video will be over the heads of 95% of the people working on the game and the ones that do understand won't have decision making power.

[@AngelBloxx899]

Me staring at two tank gameplay: Gary I'm sorry I neglected you. Oh, I never expected you to run away and leave me feeling this empty...

[@-nYs-]

Its crazy how overwatch is turning into the same game that people used to joke about being an overwatch clone.

[@alexquitty809]

Can't we just agree that queue times right now are not `the same`. We have queue times in OW2 with 5v5 equal to OW1 with 6v6, yeah, but... OW1 wasn't a free game, OW1 has no content for 2+ years, and yeah we had more tanks to fill the role up in OW1. So, are they `the same`? Or undobtedly worse?

[@uyeah1234]

1 less player, free to play vs paid, a bunch of new tank heroes added, brand new triple a live service game, yet they still can't get enough players to queue tank. Call me crazy but it's almost like 6v6 was better.

[@alexquitty809]

@@uyeah1234 exactly

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@uyeah1234You can remove the almost, heck if they added back 6v6 i would go back into the game too, and probably lots of people would flock back into the game it too lol.

[@oskarox06]

dps are mostly happy since genji is still as close to as unplayable as possible without having close to perfect timing on everything.

[@thebandit6886]

And that absolutely depresses me... the fact that pocketed hitscan is allowed exist the way they are this long while Genji and Pharah gets absolutely gutted drives me insane! Pharah isnt completely unplayable, but how was her relying on a pocket a problem, but when every single game in higher ranks I play I see a Soldier 76, Ashe, Cass, Widow or Sojourn with a Mercy practically up their ass with that damn blue beam? Like.. make it make sense! 😒😑

[@BeyondAIR15]

​@thebandit6886 the statement you made about pharah right there proves that they only listen to people that play 5x a year.

[@oskarox06]

@@thebandit6886 im playing on lower ranks, but im deadass unable to play genji cuz everytime i pick him everyone switches to beam heroes or someone who makes me unable to dive the backline, the thing he was made to do.

[@oskarox06]

since moira exists i havent gotten a ranked where there wasnt one in enemy, its ass to play againts.

[@thebandit6886]

@@oskarox06 yup! This game now rewards low risk and low skill ceiling heroes! With the exception of Tracer! I'm happy Venture is a playable now cause I finally have a dps I actually enjoy playing 👍

[@DarthPicarat]

If OW 1, without any updates, had gone F2P then Tank wouldn't have had any Q problems. They are hanging on to that argument for dear life

[@AgnesRonan]

The reason the Devs never made in-game tutorials on ow fundamentals or how to play each role and hero? They don't understand their own game.

[@S3nCh4n]

well playstyles can vary and can work in different situations but they should at least put some numbers in the training range

[@icyatlasartworks]

Exactly, you mean to tell me you couldn't at least add a "beginner strategies" section for each hero to teach new players what to expect when picking said heroes?

[@RB_003]

I’m a rein main and I quit about a week or so ago. I deserve an award or compensation for sticking around that long in the first place.

[@ikhalid1418]

who would've thought, building your game on drastic solution's and never going back to fix what drove you to them in the first place, makes your game worse, especially as time goes... weird, huh?

[@w0lfcr1s1s3]

I think the solution with the most promise in 5v5 is SVB’s idea of a limited open queue. I think it would alleviate pressures tanks feel, it would let tank power come down, it would soften the blows of counterswapping, and I think it’s a good in between step if 6v6 does eventually come back but it feels like a more immediate solution than 6v6 seems to be. But also I like the idea of letting players choose how they suffer. Instead of it being JUST tank now it could be anyone and you just don’t know until you get into game.

[@sawtuthe9670]

25:20 Not sure why but this is making me think of this but it makes me think if Captain America was a regular soldier, but then he broke his arm so instead of fixing it and giving it time, they chop it off and then give him the super soldier serum to "make up" for the lost arm

[@S3nCh4n]

more like he broke his arm and they cut off his leg

[@fuy1648]

@@S3nCh4n he broke his arm so they cut off both his legs and told him to walk on his hands.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@fuy1648 Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@fuy1648Also, lmao.

[@fuy1648]

@@SimoneBellomonte I dont have the image anymore so idk artist. Just some hu tao art i found on twitter a couple years ago.

[@S3nCh4n]

Blizzard won't do it because they have an ego problem. They ruined all their IPs and they will go down with that ship. Best case scenario is they will launch an "Overwatch Classic" Or some shit

[@S3LFM3LT]

As a dps main, I feel the hell tanks have to live through, just by watching from the sidelines. Once a glorious role that made some of the most inspiring gameplay moments. Now just a Pick-To-Win role where the players don't get to choose their favorite character. Long live the Kings and Queens of Overwatch, you are loved. Sorry that Blizzard failed you.

[@QuarianGuy]

Whenever I do "All Roles" for Daily, I used to get mostly support and a bit of tank in early OW2. Now I almost, exclusively get Tank.

[@mckookie2967]

at least it's no longer backfill a losing game with 10 seconds left

[@QuarianGuy]

@@mckookie2967 Oh no that just happened to me yesterday. Filled a losing game with no joke, 15 seconds left

[@mckookie2967]

@@QuarianGuy it would happen to me like half the time I'd que All Roles a few months ago

[@Theclooch]

Sam, can you please link the original video in the description?

[@Adventist1997]

To watch trash at the source?

[@realthlive7124]

@@Adventist1997Oyy I make grade A garbage, not trash!

[@Yidnaleggo]

My Dr. said that having one arm would help me increase my skill expression

[@dannyhernandez112]

I think its funny dps and support players in a game told me to just stop playing tank if I hate it so much and that other people who like it will play it instead. When I told them no one likes playing tank they said lots of players like playing tank. We are now seeing the tank player base drop again like it did in Overwatch 1 and now dps and supports players are starting to see their que times slowly go up. But sure lots of people like playing tank. 5v5 supporters are delusional.

[@lukeaustin4465]

5v5 only works in a game like valorant because there's no tank role in valorant, in overwatch since there is a tank role you're going to need at least two. No one wants to tale all the damage, cc etc. Being the only tank.

[@JSNY2000]

It’s like a bridge with 6 pillars, we removed one pillar now the whole bridge is sagging

[@eversneak]

I love tank, I dont love playing it in ow2

[@SimoneBellomonte]

@@megamecha100Yeah exactly, Doomfist was boring, Junkrat was boring, any and all of my favorite Heroes to play on, if not the entire cast was more boring to play, 5v5 is just boring, slower ult-charges overall, slower-pacing and no less franticness or chaotic-ness as it 1ce was, this game just isnt a sequel, its more like of a prequel for how watered-down and unfun it is to play on lollmao.

[@kpkazan]

I played a lot of tank in ow1, now I just refuse to out of spite bc it's not an appealing role and there is no reward or incentives

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

Oh you should’ve put a link of his video in the description. I wanted to check him out

[@patrickotoole7710]

If you search Realth, you’ll find him

[@zellsidious4459]

Tank is only playable in open q

[@Terwano]

4-5 years ago I uninstalled overwatch and hadn't touched the game or even kept up with the scene for years. I reinstalled after the launch of ow2 and my first impression was "This isn't as great as OW1 was at it's peak but it's WAY better than the dumpster fire state it was in when I left; I'm having fun". Yesterday I uninstalled OW2. It's been a long time coming and I grumbled on a bit, but this game is rapidly deteriorating into the same direction as OW1 and I frankly don't want to sit on this sinking ship for long. It boggles, saddens and upsets me that blizzard could stumble on such a golden goose and completely ruin it to the point of irrelevance. Overwatch could've, would've and should've been the next greatest thing on at least a similar level to Fortnite, apex legends, etc.

[@SimoneBellomonte]

Well it was as big as abortnite and ape s3x were, hecking hell did you forget how many players were playing it at 1 point lol, but i disagree with it being way more fun than what was OW1 left in, cuz its just simply not, heck idll rather go back and play dive meta again or hell any toxic meta for that matter lol as long as it meant i could enjoy 6v6 and old doomfist again. 😭

[@Ardyrezv]

I really think the disaster of blizzcon 2018 was a big reason for Overwatch 2 as well. After the Diablo immortals fiasco they needed the next blizzcon to be amazing. They announced Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 at blizzcon 2019

[@JR-us2jf]

From my time watching Samito, every time he calls for a change…he turns out to be 100% correct 🤷🤷 Edit: once 6v6 comes back I’m back online

[@ZzsiegzZ]

I’m masters support, can carry plat and low diamond games on dps by off angling, but feel like the game is out of my control on tank. I would without a doubt que this role in 6v6, but can’t play it in 5v5

[@wayfer7243]

I climbed to masters using Rein only back in the day, sure I may be kind of a one trick but I feel like I was really good on the hero. Now though, I'll get into games where picking Rein means I lose no matter how well I play. It's a travesty.

[@iPhenomenal27]

Infinite content farm

[@Adventist1997]

Until Hazard goes bankrupt and the game servers go down. 😂

[@josephmccartney5951]

With 6v6 as a dive tank winton player, I could dive supports without feeling like I’m leaving my other teammates defenseless but since we are in 5v5 I have to literally think about when I dive and if I should actually dive the tank or dive the supports. God I miss 6v6.

[@avariciousgaming1695]

I feel like the best option would be to add a hybrid/flex role. Off tank/tank buster/utility heroes could go here. Mauga, ball, dva, reworked reaper, bastion, mercy with a damage amp focus, and reworked brig could potentially go here. Potential Q time issues as well as Tank and Support being short on heroes is the biggest problems . I think it could make for more interesting compositions, hero design, and hopefully keep the pro scene from featuring mirror matches constantly. I mean they could also just be the "little tank" role but that has less potential imo. OW has its issues but i still have fun playing it.

[@spyhy4019]

that bobby kotic joke was really good, damn

[@353darkesthour]

2:45 Morgan Maddren himself said that queue times were not the reason for the 5v5 switch. He said it was "a happy accident" at best.

[@nic0856]

I want my damn game back

[@eljefe09]

I think they should add a feature where at any time both teams have the same characters they are locked for the rest of the match. I think this would bring another element of strategy to the game. So instead of constantly counter swapping you can lock players into a character and play around that. So if I like playing Ball I could start the match as Sigma. Then if the other team doesn't have a Sombra I could tell my teammates to pick the same DPS characters to lock them out of Sombra then I could switch from sigma into ball knowing the other team couldn't pick Sombra for the rest of the match. Just a thought.

[@bubbleshoot]

Been saying since way before OW2 go live that 5v5 will kill the enjoyment of playing tank.

[@gabrielnieves4103]

You thought we wouldn’t notice the Honkai Star Rail soundtrack in the background huh???

[@kpkazan]

Herta Space Station bangers

[@MvsterWayne]

It’s amazing how content creators know the issues these changes bring way better than the actual devs. Its almost as if….they don’t play their own game 😅

[@Waywurd08]

26:00 cooked with that analogy

[@Cedtaybrian]

At blizzard their season progression chart looks like this Season 9? Is fine Season 10? A win Season 11? Heaven Gaslight flickers out* Season 12? Hell Season 13? Hurting

[@MysticTemplar07]

27:02. Cutting out the video when he says “I watch vods reviews for free” was low key funny. Great review!

[@coreyberg7823]

Instead of role passive I’d love to see more individual passives for each hero that fits into their playstyle. Junker Queen adrenaline feels like a great example of this, it’s a perfect compliment to her aggressive playstyle and i think it’s a big reason why people find her so fun compared to other tanks.

[@virgil7272]

I too want 6v6 to come back, but here's the hottest take I'll make. There's a chance even if 6v6 comes back it'll be miserable because Kiriko, Bap Immort, and mercy res exists. This is the small sample size, but lately even with 5v5 the mirrorwatch mode despite being super unbalanced is easily the MOST fun mode to play right now because there is no Immort, Rez, or Kiriko as a character in it. Also the tank play in that mode isn't miserable because all of the tanks got abilities that pretty much normalized them i.e. Doom getting actual team utility, Rein getting movement options and additional utility instead of being a fragile wall. Zarya is an outlier because the mirror ult is really bad, but if she has her reg graviton with the mirror kit it'll be fine.

[@isteelyphil_yt]

If they can scrap PVE, they can revert to 6v6. I rather deal with the chaos of reverting to 6v6 than to play another season of 'balanced' 5v5

[@lordorinko]

I ABSOLUTELY love @Samito parallels from daily life. + Is it better to have another slot in the videogame ? - Let's imagine a medical professional scamming and mutilating us...

[@ThePaulGomes]

My solution to fixing shields in 6v6 and avoiding the double or triple shields issue. Is by making the overall shield health a shared pool. Let’s for example take total shield health per team is say 5000 hp. So if you’re running rein and sigma. The shield health between both is split to 2500 each. Or if you have a brig in the team as well, then you could further split the shield amount where the two tanks can have 2,250 shield and brig ll have 500. Also ll make picking heroes like widow or heroes with lower impact do more damage to shields so you’re not discouraged to play heroes like genji to go up against shield based tanks.

[@cm-kw6nq]

6v6 nerf the tanks so they are similar to overwatch 1, add flex roles to comp allowing you to pick any of the 3 roles in game until 2 players have taken that slot.

[@tbagger5211]

Ow player since day 1. Off tank main i had more fun playing with no content then I do now. I won’t touch tank .also the skill expression is gone , I could win in ow1 up to Diamond from gold on a new account 70 percent min because of the skill gap . Now the game is so dumbed down , good players can hang with masters players just by counter swapping , the skill is gone . The identity of the game is gone. I miss playing tank , I will gap the other tank and all of a sudden everyone swaps and it is miserable

[@ultraviolenc3]

At the moment i dont see the link to the original video, please fix it

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

I think the main reason for 5v5 was just them being lazy. You can make 5v5 work, you have to treat the tank like it’s Evolve. Make it that tanks do almost no damage to other tanks, so as to prevent counter picking.

[@metal100k]

Avg ranked player here: queue times for dps were horrible In ow1 but the overall ratio of heros was also horrible in ow1. I got around it by playing tank or support mainly ana and rein because they are goated og heros. People really underestimate the impact that not having literally more than double the tank heros in the dps role can have on queue times. Not to mention that balancing towards having fun tank play and support play would also help alleviate the issue. They also had to LFG function that helped dps queues by putting them with a group so the matchmaker had to find fewer people but it also could have hurt the queues by splitting the dps players up because they likely used it more than the other roles. The queue time argument is literally only one that blizzard has the true information to solve, but we know they won't speak up on it

[@WasabiCannon]

I quit day 1 when they moved to 5v5 the tank role felt awful to play. Came back a few weeks ago trying to get into the tank role. The role feels so stomp or get stomped no in between. Iv now ditched tank and have become a support main.

[@Marisa_arts]

Bring back 6v6 then start balancing it from there Edit: I've always been on the boat that 6v6 was better and what is needed for the game in all

[@SirHellnBack]

samito still fightin the good fight keep it going brother. 6v6 all the way.

[@ooooswain]

If you want 6v6 back, stop playing role lock and start playing open queue. It's really the next best thing and it's wild how much more fun it is. Every tank is good, dps have more of a purpose with passive so I don't believe goats is meta. The mode is probably more balanced then it's ever been and is ironically just superior to role lock in every way right now. 2-1-2 seems to be best.

[@Reav-io7dw]

Valid insight, too bad the sheeple won't notice open queue is better even with it's neglected balance

[@jrodd13]

If they're so gung ho about keeping role passives at least split the dps ones into 2 groups. Some could have a flanker archetype passive and the other a ranged damage archetype passive. Would fit the dps cast far better

[@SekundesCCFFVII]

Think of adding the video you're reacting to into your description too

[@retzerbil867]

Since a lot of your videos nowadays are reaction videos the least you could do is link the video in the description.

[@koltonfaulkner3175]

It really went from 1 tank having to cover three people to having to cover five with the switch.

[@jorrellrichardson3181]

They should do more unique passives

[@aidenbush8497]

The one thing I haven’t seen brought up is that the majority of lower rank players tunnel vision on tanks bc larger hitbox=easier shots so the one tank just gets deleted

[@nicohaq]

I agree with that the core of the game went from team coordination team resourse usage, and that is why people hates on you SO BADLY for playing characters that are focused on teamplay over their abilityies

[@cnnr_]

if you make it 6v6 again (or even now) you need to reward players with a small amount of premium currency for play 25 games queued as all roles -wins count for double. like 50 coins or something. People won't do the math that it takes playing 600-700 games just to buy 1 new skin assuming you only queue all roles. But they will get a dopamine rush when they see the screen light up with their reward, and it will incentivize people to play tank and win because you get the coins faster. Lower queue times for matches means the players who are likely to spend money actually stay around because they can play the game, so drippling out a few coins here and there ultimately won't affect the bottom line, it will actually lead to more profits. There Blizzard, I just fixed queue times.

[@patrickazzarella6729]

Swapped from playing Tank primarily to Dps and Support and my enjoyment of the game went up immensely

[@noahjh847]

To your arm analogy - One arm can hold the coach while the other sweeps underneath it

[@rock_it3685]

if going to 5v5 was to help queue times why did they put a shiny number 2 next to overwatch?

[@artmanrom]

At 9:30 RoCo has UNIQUE PASSIVES for each of the characters. Devs have to look around them and take the good features from each of the similar games.

[@vordoen]

i'll be honest. i used to be a tank main in overwatch 1. I have less games as tank now this last couple seasons than any role, and I've consistently played at the same level at each role every season (climbing, but all roles at the same ranks)

[@asqwert2121]

I don't understandwhy they don't have both game modes 5v5 and 6v6

[@josuepereira9782]

If there is gaslight about 5v5 being good, there is an equally big gaslight about people enjoying tank, even on 6v6. Even if tank was a desirable role, DPS outnumber tank 2 to 1, so there is a big chance of people wanting to play DPS because their favorite is one.

[@MrTruth2410]

can someone explain to me why if since s9 blizzard start treating ow2 as competitive game players can't have access to accurate global data from ow2 (in form of in-game statistic you can check at any point or 3rd party web sites that take into account private profiles to) ? is it to much to ask for in 2024

[@miceinrice]

I dont get why we couldnt try reducing CC abilities, going Free To Play, and having an extra like 3 whole tanks (Not even including the generally more fun TO USE, even if not as fun to play against, depending on who you ask, Orisa rework, AND the Doomfist one), while still having content added to the game, before completely swapping to 5v5??? Some people really sit there saying 5v5 is obviously better, and yet we didnt even try 5v5 vs 6v6 in an EVEN SETTING. LIKE BRUHHHH there is NO WAY to be sure until you try them both EVENLY _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ TLDR: OW 2 is full of fluff that makes it SEEM worthy of the "Sequel" tag. Lacks some obvious things. Certain decisions they chose to do in this game dont make a whole lot of sense. OW 1 wouldve been interesting with Orisa, Sombra, Doomfist and Bastion reworks. Also the Discord orb and CC changes too, but noooooo we just gotta drop the 6th players huh. I prefer 6v6, but it was REALLY annoying and felt impossible to win on pretty often. BUUUT SO DOES 5v5. In OW 1 you mightve had to shoot at shields pretty often sometimes yeah, but that could happen even if you had to go against Rein Zarya, since rein had more shield back then AND the Push mode for example wasnt a thing. Think about how much harder it would usually be to get past a shield tank with their team behind them on Temple Of Anubis compared to the maps we have now like the Push and Flashpoint maps that allow you to try taking a bunch of different angles than what was ever possible. In OW 2 You shoot actual players more often, but their health bars are like 3x as long and FULL of green and orange segments. If you do get a character low health in either OW 1 or 2, immortality drone and other annoying abilities can maybe bail them out, but specifically OW 2 has more of those annoying abilities. Ranting, venting, malding. Not everything will make 100% sense but i enjoyed writing this little book either way _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ OFCOURSE 5v5 gonna look quite a lot better when its wrapped neatly in its package of: o FREE TO PLAY!!!!! ...hey wait wouldnt free to play be good for bringing in more potential tank players in a 6v6 setting too? not just a 5v5 one? Especially with the CC changes and reworks? shouldnt we have at least PROPERLY TRIED F2P while still in 6v---... i have been told to stop typing this sentence if i want to see sunlight ever again o HERO REWORKS!!!!! (Like the Sombra one that ended up being so bad, they had to RE-Rework her... and was probably just done to further make OW 2 look like it actually had some kind of reason to exist, when it actually doesn't, or at least not as much as theyre trynna make it look like it does...) o LESS CROWD CONTROL ABILITIES!!!!! INCLUDING NO MORE MEI FREEZE OR INSANLEY LONG SOMBRA HACK ABILITY LOCKOUT. YOU KNOW, TWO CHANGES THAT WOULDVE HELPED TANKING IN OW 1 FEEL LESS BAD AT TIMES. NO MORE FLASHBANG OVER THE TOP OF YOUR SHIELD OR OVER YOUR DEFLECT. LESS DOOMFIST CC SINCE HE WILL BE LOSING A CC ABILITY (although his empowered punch can hit all 5 enemies at once) AND THERE WILL ONLY BE 1 POSSIBLE CHANCE OF HIM BEING CHOSEN PER MATCH, AS ONLY THE SINGLE TANK PLAYER CAN PICK HIM, RATHER THAN YOU HAVING TO HOPE TWO PLAYERS BOTH DECIDE TO NOT PICK HIM, AND HIS PUNCH DOES LESS THAN HALF THE DAMAGE IT USED TOO o NEW HERO/MAP EVERY OTHER SEASON, WITH NEW GAMEMODES SOMETIMES!!!!! YOU KNOW THOSE THINGS WE STOPPED GIVING YOU DURING 6V6, BECAUSE WE WERE "WORKING" ON THE PVE WE ALREADY KNEW WE WERENT ACTUALLY GONNA GO TRHOUGH WITH?!?! YEAH, THOSE!!! o DOUBLE SHIELD??? NOT POSSIBLE ANYMORE LMAO I feel very, very small... please hold me... HEY SO DO YOU GUYS LIKE IT WHEN A SINGLE HERO CAN DO TOO MUCH, AND WHEN PAIRED WITH ANOTHER HERO THAT BARELY HAS ANY DOWN TIME, THE GAME FEELS BAD?? DO YOU LIKE HOW BOTH ORISA AND SIGMA HAVE 2 SUSTAIN ABILITIES, AND A STUN ABILITY, WHILE HAVING HIGH DAMAGE OUTPUT? WELL THOSE TANKS WONT BE TOGETHER ANYMORE, BUT DONT WORRY TANK ENJOYERS! WE ARE ADDING ANOTHER SUPPORT HERO THAT HAS 2 WAYS TO KEEP THEMSELF ALIVE, HIGH POTENTIAL DMG OUTPUT AND INSTEAD OF A STUN, THEY HAVE AN IMMORTALITY THAT, UNLIKE BAPS LAMP, WILL MAKE YOU UNABLE TO BE BOOPED OR HOOKED AAAAAND IT WILL CLEANSE DEBUFFS LIKE ANTI-NADE OR DISCORD. ALL WHILE HAVING AN INSANLEY POWERFUL ULT THAT PROVIDES SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE SO FAR HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO (except Lucio in PvE missions). UP EVERYONES ATTACK SPEED, RELOAD SPEED AND COOLDOWN SPEED. ...hey why didnt we remove orisas shield in OW 1 when a lot of people hated double shield even being a possible thing to run? I know it wasnt just the shields that were the problem, but could have at least TRIED that out. why wait until OW 2 to rework horse? OHHHHHHHHH maybe so OW 2 has another bit of fluff added to it to look worthy of being a sequel.. o PLAYERS VERSES ENEMIES (PvE) yeah no lmao we made most of it up to fluff up OW 2's launch ez gg nah fr tho can we at least get the Uprising, Retribution and Storm Rising missions back as permanently playable modes? Idk if they would use the old Bastions and Orisas or the reworked versions in Uprising but eitherway i dont see why we dont have those missions back yet o TEMPLE OF A-LOSE-THIS?? HANAMURA?? ZARYA PLACE IDK HOW TO SPELL?? PARIS?? HORIZON LUNAR COLONY?? - NEVER AGAIN!!!!! THE TWO CAPTURE POINT GAMEMODE WILL BE GETTING THE SAME TREATMENT AS ALL OUR SYSTMES THAT DEFINITELY 10000% DESERVED IT, AND TOTALLY WASNT DONE JUST SO OW 2 WOULD LOOK A LITTLE LESS SIMILAR TO OW 1 HAHA HEEHEE.. AND THEN WE WILL ADD A SIX CAPTURE POINT GAMEMODE!! HAVE FUN! We will also have Assault (2CP) be available in arcade now, alongside 481 other different modes simultaneously. Hmm, whats that? Put a 6v6 mode in arcade every few days? NAHHHHHHH FAM that would be too far. We have like 13 modes available all at once: qp role + roless, comp role + roless, mystery heroes, FFA (Free For All Deathmatch), No limits + whatever other modes we feel like, + Custom Games. All those modes dont split the playerbase too much nah. 6v6 would absolutely decimate the queue times for everything tho just like in OW 1. Trust us bro fr fr no lie. We at Blizzard know best .Rip LFG (Looking For Group) .Rip Nicer looking (IMO) Endorsement System with the green and purple endorsement types that went alongside the orange ones we have right now .Rip Flame Point NUMBER System that was iconic, and allowed you to see how much in % you contributed to an elimination, as long as it wasnt a damage boost assist or something like that. Unless i somehow messed up this simple math, If you did 150 dmg to someone with 200 hp total, youd get 75 fire points (I THINK). Just nice info for those that were interested in knowing how helpful they were. .Rip Old Leveling System, that was then replaced with a leveling system, so basically removing the levels at the launch of OW 2 only really served to make it feel like a new slate, a brand new start, a new game that is 100% not just a texture pack with some missing features and dead ideas of what might have been possible at some point in time.. Swap to 5v5 today and you can once again experience the joy of possibly getting to play a brand new character that just might become your new main! Our new heroes from now on will even be able to have MORE INTERESTING Playstyles as we wont be shackled down by the team formation type know as the dreaded SIX V SIX! (Not every problem with either the 6v6 or 5v5 format is unfixable, however we dont know how to fix the solvable issues that arise with 5v5, and we DONT WANT to fix the solvable issues of 6v6 unless the solution does not involve us looking like we made a mistake at some point, so we are moving to 5v5 eitherway) Whats that? You want to know why we DIDNT at least try the huge CC reduction and F2P ideas during SIX V SIX to see what it wouldve been like? Simple. Its because we know what you want, even before you know you want it. What you want now is to forget about all our past mistakes, and turn your attention to our new and improved shop! Look how generous we are by ALWAYS discounting many of our single items and bundles of multiple items. We show you the original price, and have the new price right there so you can compare and see how much of a bargain we are giving you. As an example, a bundle selling for 3100 instead of 6800... even if the items were never and are never going to be put on sale for the higher price, so it just LOOKS like they were more expensive at one point, or will be, convincing you to act fast before the price changes. Blah blah blah could rant more but this is enough of a mess as is

[@subcorpianwest5658]

Thought about the many problems of ow2 the other day. as of right now they should just hit the reset button and start over. There are too many problems at this point. It doesn't matter how frequent the game is patched if the changes make no sense, aren't healthy for the game, or they solve one problem just to create another one or two. Some changes are also unwarranted or even needed in the first place. when there are healthy changes they are so miniscule that they don't ever actually outweigh the unhealthy and negative things in the game.

[@XboxNightmare_NM]

Why can’t they do just an extended weekend event that brings back 6v6 just for the duration of the event? Like Sombra’s hack event, do something similar like Tracer’s recall thingy on her chest which malfunctions & she recalls too far back in time, all the way back to 2016, when the game was actually good & ended up winning game of the year

[@AntonyGreenman]

No link or reference to the video you are watching?? I have no idea who this is or how to find him, even though this whole video is based off his content...

[@ender554-b8e]

I'm new so not familiar with 6v6 but as a person who has loved tank in almost every other game hate it in this game. What I'm confused about is if it's about ratio of players why didn't the just do 2-3-2 instead of 1-2-2? The one extra DPS seems like a way better way to balance queue without breaking the game to me but again I'm new so could be very wrong. I just figure one more DPS and slightly more health or the Regen passive is all you would need. And allow ranks to play together with A little less restriction silver and gold and even plat aren't really that far off from each other. The ranks make no sense in this game at all

[@Therealorca]

Haven’t played tank for months was my main role cause it’s boring to play or you get to play sit in spawn simulator and maybe you’ll get to use an ult if you don’t have to swap every fight

[@GAVIN760101]

Well, 1tank 2dps 2support is bad I agree.But I think maybe 2 tank,2 dps,1 support. This game has too much healing and sustained compare other 5v5 game. To be fair 5v5 is not a new concept. It can be fix,it can be done. Other games already prove it and you have years of sample can learn from. Blizzard just don't do it.

[@thunderhawk3584]

The problem is obvious, which is generalization when it comes to balancing. Each hero should have a specifically tailored damage output/input, along with good physical proportion so increasing hitboxes isn’t an issue. You want the tanks to feel like shields, but not invincible. You want dps to feel like they can do damage, but they’re not untouchable. You want healers to feel like they can heal a significant amount, but they’re danger if they’re not mobile. Overall, this ENTIRE GAME needs a rework. The game modes don’t make sense and have no purpose, they’re not fun, they’re wasting good maps with good lore for a 15 minute “push the thing” match, or “fight here, not there” match.

[@theredguy92]

5v5 will never be balanced bc you cant have equal power distribution between 5 players and 3 roles at the same time. Either the tank player is stronger to make power between the 3 roles equal(yeatle argument)or the tank role is just weaker in order to balance the power between 5 players(jake argument). Jakes argument sucks for tanks and yeatles will not feel good for everyone else. There is no value you can put on tank power to balance the 5v5 equation.

[@shelzor]

Honkai star rail music in the end

[@TechnoTrex1089]

I can hear an HSR ost 🤩

[@TankMAIN877]

I am so glad marvel are bringing out a new game Rivals. The match maker in overwatch is garbage, tanking is terrible and support is terrible dps are just way too stong. I've gaven up at this point.

[@Grimnoire]

Supp should stay garbo for at least three more seasons to balance things out

[@TankMAIN877]

@@Grimnoirethat wont balance anything out it will just fuck the game. Dps need to be nerfed the powercreep is too strong.

[@mrgoldenreset9590]

Wtf? Support are still good. Seems like a skill gap. Even Lifeweaver is fine

[@ghoulbuster1]

I would lower my expectations, it's a *Marvel* game.

[@Grimnoire]

@@TankMAIN877 Bruh. Dude my comment wasn't for balance of the game are you stupid? I was obviously making a joke on how support were OP for like 5 or 6 seasons and now DPS are op so they need to be op of rat least 5 seasons. Get with it redditor!

[@NBAGeorge1]

7 years of playin tank at a high sr lvl 4.4k+ and i cant see myself reinstallin the game i loved to play

[@hamedyassin8329]

am i crazy? about 3-4 seasons ago i hit master 1, very close gm one tricking hanzo. after that i dropped the game cause of university. when they made the hanzo changes i stopped playing even quickplay. now with venture, i went back in and im having fun. i place diamond 3 and going even (one win one lose) on diamond 1 but every time i check their dps profile (Literally every game) their dps were gm 5-3 on most roles if not, only gm on dps like 2-4 seasons ago and also drop the game and got back in it now. IT IS EVERY MATCH, only like 1-2 of my past 20 games i couldnt check so maybe not but every single one i coud they were gm5-3 two seasons ago. it feels like it queue based on mmr instead of sr and every game is which dps is better, with me and the other washed gm getting 1.5x to double the kills of our conterpart dps. im slowly climbing but it feels like shit sinve my past rank was on tricking hanzo. is it just me? is this a thing

[@nemil2898]

God love ya Sam! Kind of crazy that you might be the only big voice in the community (and Stylosa), who is actually willing to ask if the problem is actually Blizzard and not the players lol

[@FailingGH3]

I was a Ball OTP for all of Ow1, and a lot of ow2, last season and this season, i havent even touched my favorite hero in the game, mostly because the joy i find in playing hammond no longer outweighs the misery of playing tank. The rework effectively did nothing, it doesnt feel good, other than the grapple change. I only have fun when i queue dps now